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Title: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100 ... RzZWMDeW5fbW9zdF9wb3B1bGFyBHNs
Published: May 22, 2010
Author: Liz Goodwin
Post Date: 2010-05-22 13:44:45 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 675
Comments: 68

The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.

Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.

Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.

Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.

Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.

Last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California told a tea party rally he would support deporting children of illegal aliens, even if they are citizens.

"And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen," he said. "It's what's in our souls."

His spokesman later sought to clarify the remarks with the Associated Press, saying that Duncan believes that "U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants should stay with their parents unless there is a legal guardian who could take care of them."

— Liz Goodwin is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News

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#5. To: Horse (#0)

The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.

I disagree for two reasons:

1. The government should never be given the authority to determine citizenship. Not EVER, NEVER, NOT AT ANY TIME. PERIOD.

2. Regardless of how I feel about illegal aliens, I want them gone yesterday, nevertheless if you were born on free soil you are a free person and by right of birth. The founding fathers well knew what they were doing. To do it any other way is to grant government authority which it should NEVER have. That does not mean that I would grant their illegal parents the right to stay because of that birthright. Book'em and deport'em.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22   15:54:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent, Horse, Lod, Jethro Tull, abraxas, noone222, Esso, buckeroo (#5)

2. Regardless of how I feel about illegal aliens, I want them gone yesterday, nevertheless if you were born on free soil you are a free person and by right of birth. The founding fathers well knew what they were doing. To do it any other way is to grant government authority which it should NEVER have. That does not mean that I would grant their illegal parents the right to stay because of that birthright. Book'em and deport'em.

I must beg to disagree on this one. (I know, disagreeing with you is rare for me)

It was never the intent of the founding fathers or the 14th Amendment to allow children of illegals to be citizens. Just like diplomats, children of illegals are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US and should not be citizens. The change came with the '65 Immigration Act.

Anchor Babies

Anchor Babies: Is Citizenship an Entitled Birthright?

Anchor Babies: Part of the Immigration-Related American Lexicon

The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   16:07:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: farmfriend (#6)

And your argument is sound. I have to admit I have not spent a lot of time on the intricacies of the anchor baby problem - other than noting it as a problem.

On a broader philosophic basis I still find the "if you were born here you are, if you choose, one of us" attractive and even just. It is inclusive without being overly expansive i.e., I do not see a right of residency conferred upon the parents merely for birthing here nor should it be. Since the child must stay with the parents when they are shown the door the child of rights should go where the parents go - not conferring residency upon the parents, who are here illegally, because their minor child was born here. I do not see a logical connection between the two.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22   19:27:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#22)

Now all of that I could agree with on principle.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   19:34:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: farmfriend (#24)

O_I basically suggests: the state is responsible for human activities even if those same activities are illegal based upon US statute.

In a serious sense, he says anchor babies are my tax problem; that the citizenry must afford illegals their fair share of the benefits in America based upon my tax dollars.... he argues to make us all tax-slaves.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   19:40:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#25)

No, I don't think he is. I think you are twisting what he said and/or taking it out of context. Instead of assigning him beliefs based upon his posts on this thread you need to read his posts within the context of the beliefs he has espoused as a whole on this forum.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   19:44:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: farmfriend (#26)

Instead of assigning him beliefs based upon his posts on this thread you need to read his posts within the context of the beliefs he has espoused as a whole on this forum.

So, his opinion about having nice, little anchorbabies is a benefit for my tax dollar, is it?

If so, where are those benefits outside of making the US citizenry tax-slaves to an impoverished people that steal their way into America, sneaking in at night? What benefit do I or you or O_I or anyone have from illegal immigration? Rhetorically, the fact of illegals picking our lettuce with unclean hands after they wipetheir asses in the fields creating salmonella poisoning for the entire USA? Or taking on cheap labor jobs, never paying taxes while their offspring steal our hospitals, education and jobs? ?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   19:52:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#27)

So, his opinion about having nice, little anchorbabies is a benefit for my tax dollar, is it?

No, and stop getting his opinion from me. I can guess and get fairly accurate but it is still a guess at best.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   20:40:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#29. To: farmfriend (#28)

Perhaps you have seen this before from LA Times.

It still goes on. Pay attention to the last paragraph.

"Kim Chang Kyu, an obstetrician and gynecologist with a practice in the wealthy Kangnam neighborhood of Seoul, estimates that as many as 5,000 South Korean babies--about 1% of annual South Korean births--are born in the United States each year. In his practice alone, about 10 maternity patients each month deliver in the United States.

They are motivated by a desire to get their children into American schools, which are considered less grueling and often better quality than South Korea's, and, in the case of boys, to keep them out of the 26-month mandatory military service. Others believe that having a child who is a U.S. citizen will help the parents immigrate and will make it easier to open bank accounts in the United States in order to get around strict South Korean laws regarding foreign currency.

Although it is seldom voiced, Kim says some of his patients also have a nagging fear that South Korea could become engulfed in another devastating war with North Korea, and they would like a way out if that happens.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-22 20:42:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent (#28)

No, and stop getting his opinion from me. I can guess and get fairly accurate but it is still a guess at best.

Me too.

Earlier, I tried to have O_I's immediate opinion. The guy is rude; he is probably out dancing with a little Mexican laborer doing the "La Cucaracha" or the famous Mexican hatdance after the lawn was mowed for two bucks while he was watching the hard work and sipping a cool one with some ice cubes and bit of lemon and lime in the shade during the entire job.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22 20:51:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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