[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Rasmussen Poll Numbers: Kamala's 'Bounce' Didn't Faze Trump

Trump BREAKS Internet With Hysterical Ad TORCHING Kamala | 'She is For They/Them!'

45 Funny Cybertruck Memes So Good, Even Elon Might Crack A Smile

Possible Trump Rally Attack - Serious Injuries Reported

BULLETIN: ISRAEL IS ENTERING **** UKRAINE **** WAR ! Missile Defenses in Kiev !

ATF TO USE 2ND TRUMP ATTACK TO JUSTIFY NEW GUN CONTROL...

An EMP Attack on the U.S. Power Grids and Critical National Infrastructure

New York Residents Beg Trump to Come Back, Solve Out-of-Control Illegal Immigration

Chicago Teachers Confess They Were told to Give Illegals Passing Grades

Am I Racist? Reviewed by a BLACK MAN

Ukraine and Israel Following the Same Playbook, But Uncle Sam Doesn't Want to Play

"The Diddy indictment is PROTECTING the highest people in power" Ian Carroll

The White House just held its first cabinet meeting in almost a year. Guess who was running it.

The Democrats' War On America, Part One: What "Saving Our Democracy" Really Means

New York's MTA Proposes $65.4 Billion In Upgrades With Cash It Doesn't Have

More than 100 killed or missing as Sinaloa Cartel war rages in Mexico

New York state reports 1st human case of EEE in nearly a decade

Oktoberfest tightens security after a deadly knife attack in western Germany

Wild Walrus Just Wanted to Take A Summer Vacation Across Europe

[Video] 'Days of democracy are GONE' seethes Neil Oliver as 'JAIL' awaits Brits DARING to speak up

Police robot dodges a bullet, teargasses a man, and pins him to the ground during a standoff in Texas

Julian Assange EXPOSED

Howling mad! Fury as school allows pupil suffering from 'species dysphoria' to identify as a WOLF

"I Thank God": Heroic Woman Saves Arkansas Trooper From Attack By Drunk Illegal Alien

Taxpayers Left In The Dust On Policy For Trans Inmates In Minnesota

Progressive Policy Backfire Turns Liberals Into Gun Owners

PURE EVIL: Israel booby-trapped CHILDRENS TOYS with explosives to kill Lebanese children

These Are The World's Most Reliable Car Brands

Swing State Renters Earn 17% Less Than Needed To Afford A Typical Apartment

Fort Wayne man faces charges for keeping over 10 lbs of fentanyl in Airbnb


Immigration
See other Immigration Articles

Title: Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100 ... RzZWMDeW5fbW9zdF9wb3B1bGFyBHNs
Published: May 22, 2010
Author: Liz Goodwin
Post Date: 2010-05-22 13:44:45 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 648
Comments: 68

The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.

Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.

Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.

Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.

Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.

Last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California told a tea party rally he would support deporting children of illegal aliens, even if they are citizens.

"And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen," he said. "It's what's in our souls."

His spokesman later sought to clarify the remarks with the Associated Press, saying that Duncan believes that "U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants should stay with their parents unless there is a legal guardian who could take care of them."

— Liz Goodwin is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Comments (1-16) not displayed.
      .
      .
      .

#17. To: buckeroo (#16)

Total BS

Agreed.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   18:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: farmfriend (#17)

These earlier USSC rulings were based on a time when the US had ample capacity and capability to absorb illegals within the various government institutions.

This USSC case later SHOTDOWN California's Prop 187.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   18:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#18)

These earlier USSC rulings were based on a time when the US had ample capacity and capability to absorb illegals within the various government institutions.

This USSC case later SHOTDOWN California's Prop 187.

Used to promote policies desired by the ruling class. These are what need to be looked at and overturned. States will have to take back their rights in order to do this.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   18:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: farmfriend (#19)

If you have time, read the dissenting decisions ... then and as now. Cool stuff.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   19:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: farmfriend, buckeroo, Horse, Lod, Jethro Tull, abraxas, noone222, Esso (#10)

I think he would agree with your assessment of them. No he is dealing with the Constitutionality of the issue. That is paramount in his opinion.

Exactly. One of the points in having a Constitution, and making it difficult to change, is to establish basic principles of free and just governance which are binding above all else upon the government.

Illegal Aliens are a problem, and their presence is resulting in a good many ills within our Republic. There are existing statutes, which are not being enforced, which would deal with that problem were there not a hidden agenda at play undermining the Republic. However, the other issue is that the Constitution is is a limit upon government and when you ease those limits you provide room for mischief.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22   19:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: farmfriend (#6)

And your argument is sound. I have to admit I have not spent a lot of time on the intricacies of the anchor baby problem - other than noting it as a problem.

On a broader philosophic basis I still find the "if you were born here you are, if you choose, one of us" attractive and even just. It is inclusive without being overly expansive i.e., I do not see a right of residency conferred upon the parents merely for birthing here nor should it be. Since the child must stay with the parents when they are shown the door the child of rights should go where the parents go - not conferring residency upon the parents, who are here illegally, because their minor child was born here. I do not see a logical connection between the two.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22   19:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#22)

Since the child must stay with the parents when they are shown the door [as in booted out of the USA] the child of rights should go where the parents go - not conferring residency upon the parents, who are here illegally, because their minor child was born here. I do not see a logical connection between the two.

Huh? How about an umbilical cord?

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   19:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#22)

Now all of that I could agree with on principle.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   19:34:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: farmfriend (#24)

O_I basically suggests: the state is responsible for human activities even if those same activities are illegal based upon US statute.

In a serious sense, he says anchor babies are my tax problem; that the citizenry must afford illegals their fair share of the benefits in America based upon my tax dollars.... he argues to make us all tax-slaves.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   19:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#25)

No, I don't think he is. I think you are twisting what he said and/or taking it out of context. Instead of assigning him beliefs based upon his posts on this thread you need to read his posts within the context of the beliefs he has espoused as a whole on this forum.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   19:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: farmfriend (#26)

Instead of assigning him beliefs based upon his posts on this thread you need to read his posts within the context of the beliefs he has espoused as a whole on this forum.

So, his opinion about having nice, little anchorbabies is a benefit for my tax dollar, is it?

If so, where are those benefits outside of making the US citizenry tax-slaves to an impoverished people that steal their way into America, sneaking in at night? What benefit do I or you or O_I or anyone have from illegal immigration? Rhetorically, the fact of illegals picking our lettuce with unclean hands after they wipetheir asses in the fields creating salmonella poisoning for the entire USA? Or taking on cheap labor jobs, never paying taxes while their offspring steal our hospitals, education and jobs? ?

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   19:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#27)

So, his opinion about having nice, little anchorbabies is a benefit for my tax dollar, is it?

No, and stop getting his opinion from me. I can guess and get fairly accurate but it is still a guess at best.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   20:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: farmfriend (#28)

Perhaps you have seen this before from LA Times.

It still goes on. Pay attention to the last paragraph.

"Kim Chang Kyu, an obstetrician and gynecologist with a practice in the wealthy Kangnam neighborhood of Seoul, estimates that as many as 5,000 South Korean babies--about 1% of annual South Korean births--are born in the United States each year. In his practice alone, about 10 maternity patients each month deliver in the United States.

They are motivated by a desire to get their children into American schools, which are considered less grueling and often better quality than South Korea's, and, in the case of boys, to keep them out of the 26-month mandatory military service. Others believe that having a child who is a U.S. citizen will help the parents immigrate and will make it easier to open bank accounts in the United States in order to get around strict South Korean laws regarding foreign currency.

Although it is seldom voiced, Kim says some of his patients also have a nagging fear that South Korea could become engulfed in another devastating war with North Korea, and they would like a way out if that happens.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-22   20:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent (#28)

No, and stop getting his opinion from me. I can guess and get fairly accurate but it is still a guess at best.

Me too.

Earlier, I tried to have O_I's immediate opinion. The guy is rude; he is probably out dancing with a little Mexican laborer doing the "La Cucaracha" or the famous Mexican hatdance after the lawn was mowed for two bucks while he was watching the hard work and sipping a cool one with some ice cubes and bit of lemon and lime in the shade during the entire job.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   20:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo (#18)

This USSC case later SHOTDOWN California's Prop 187

not true. 187 never went to the ussc, it never got a fair hearing in court at all; and it still could, if a governor would properly pursue it.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-22   21:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Artisan (#31)

187 never went to the ussc, it never got a fair hearing in court at all; and it still could, if a governor would properly pursue it.

Sorry but your complaint is unfounded; the case went to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals under the USSC.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   21:37:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#21)

One of the problems with the jackasses in the Supreme Court is that, even though they are agreeing with some idiot ruling by the lower courts instead of just saying "It's all good" and letting it go at that, they think they have to write novel-length opinions.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-22   21:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#32)

when? within the last 4 years?

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ http://www.americanpatrol.com/FEATURES/030814-DAVIS- KILLS-187/030814_Feature.html

The Truth About the Killing of 187 Demand that the media tell the true story!!!!

He Put 187 Into a Sham Mediation "But whoever suggested to Gov. Gray Davis that he mediate the constitutionally of Proposition 187 badly misunderstands mediation's role in our democracy and in dispute resolution. And if the mediation goes forward, both constitutional law and mediation are at risk." Norman Brand San Francisco based mediator Los Angeles Times May 6, 1999 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The mediation did go through and constitutional law was trashed. -- See exactly how it happened.... Watch Broadband / Dial-up

See the Whole Story on Davis and 187... Get The Tape

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

http://staging. americanpatrol.com/_WEB2003/030828Web.html

'Benedict' Arnold Capitulates - Officially Schwarzenegger Covers Up for Davis, Calls for Amnesty

Just as American Patrol predicted, Schwarzenegger wants to join with other border governors to make a deal with Mexico. Riverside Press Enterprise (Free Registration) Story Lies About Prop. 187 "Said Proposition 187, the 1994 measure that denied many services to illegal immigrants, was 'history' because it has been largely voided by the courts. "(Gray Davis killed it, not the courts) Supports Amnesty Schwartz: " Should we have them to stay here, which I think is the right way to do, but how do you then include them in our society, how do you make it official, how do you make it legal?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See the truth about the killing of Proposition 187

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-22   22:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Artisan (#34)

Oh, just GREAT! You pull up AmericanPatrol (a cheap BS guy that rides a helicopter based on hundreds of innocent retired, Americans freely donating money to supply Glenn Spencer with a Mercedes Benz) as a supplement to your personal perspective.

The issues you are bringing forth is not about state governors; it is about US federal mandates. That is why the pursuit for corrective action at the highest level hasn't been challenged. There is case law precluding the whole issue.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   22:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: farmfriend, buckeroo (#26) (Edited)

No, I don't think he is. I think you are twisting what he said and/or taking it out of context. Instead of assigning him beliefs based upon his posts on this thread you need to read his posts within the context of the beliefs he has espoused as a whole on this forum.

Thanks. Buckie's still upset with me because I reamed him good a while back. He has now descended into the "ankle biter" category trying to twist and concoct an argument that I'll respond to. He continues to get more and more desperate as I ignore him more and more. ;-)

This is one of those interminable debates where both sides of the issue have valid points and it comes down to one's personal beliefs of what constitutes right and just. A child, or a baby, is not responsible for the actions of his or her parents and the child should not be held to account for them. As far as I am concerned if a child is born on our soil they are born American regardless of the nationality of the parents and their legal or illegal status. Of course we had similar arguments prior to the civil war i.e., if a child was born of slaves in a free state they were free but still went where the parents went.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22   22:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo (#35)

you are indeed obnoxious. the fact is that the appeal on prop 187 was going to be heard in the 9th circuit, but never was because davis got into office and went to mediation, dropping the issue. if you contend that the 9th circuit court actually heard the case, prove it. As i said initially, the appeal of the case was indeed never heard.

and what do you have against glenn spencer?

###################################

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_(1994)

Governor Wilson appealed the ruling, which brought the case to the federal Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. However, in 1999, newly elected Democratic Governor Gray Davis had the case brought before mediation,[22] and then dropped the appeals process before the courts in July 1999, effectively killing the law. [23]

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-22   22:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: James Deffenbach (#33)

One of the problems with the jackasses in the Supreme Court is that, even though they are agreeing with some idiot ruling by the lower courts instead of just saying "It's all good" and letting it go at that, they think they have to write novel-length opinions.

That's the truth. And often they rule based "on precedent" and "stare decisis" (let stand) and there is no Constitutional authority for them to do that. The arbiter is the text of the written Constitution - not what someone else says it means.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22   22:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: All, buckeroo (#37)

Davis Won't Appeal Prop. 187 Ruling, Ending Court Battles

Litigation: Governor's deal with civil rights groups effectively kills 1994 anti-illegal immigrant measure. Accord is likely to ignite further controversy. July 29, 1999|PATRICK J. McDONNELL, TIMES STAFF WRITER Attorneys for Gov. Gray Davis and civil rights organizations have reached an agreement to end the litigation surrounding Proposition 187, effectively killing the landmark 1994 ballot referendum that targeted illegal immigrants and became a pivotal juncture in California's political life.

Davis has agreed not to appeal an earlier federal court ruling that held much of the initiative to be unconstitutional. The agreement, which is expected to be filed today with the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, almost certainly will prevent the case from going to the U.S. Supreme Court, said lawyers on both sides of the case.

Proposition 187, approved by nearly 60% of California voters, became a national symbol of anger about illegal immigration. Court battles, however, blocked most of its provisions from being enforced.

The deal seems sure to ignite additional controversy, since it permanently bars the enactment of the ballot measure's core provisions--those preventing illegal immigrants from attending public schools and receiving social services and subsidized health care, according to the lawyers.

Also voided are requirements that local law enforcement authorities, school administrators and social and medical workers turn in suspected illegal immigrants to federal and state authorities.

All that will remain of Proposition 187 under the agreement are two relatively minor laws that establish state criminal penalties for the manufacture and use of false documents to conceal illegal immigration status.

The agreement, in essence, preserves a decision handed down last year by U.S. District Judge Mariana R. Pfaelzer in Los Angeles, lawyers familiar with the case said. Pfaelzer found that Proposition 187 was unconstitutional because it conflicted with federal authority in immigration law.

Under the agreement, both sides will drop appeals now pending before the 9th Circuit appellate court. The case will then be sent back to Pfaelzer, who will accept comments from opponents and proponents before giving final approval.

The agreement notes that the state is free to enforce any restrictions that have been adopted under other federal laws, such as the 1996 welfare overhaul. For example, Congress that year made illegal immigrants ineligible for most nonemergency public aid--a key component of Proposition 187.

---- Davis Won't Appeal Prop. 187 Ruling, Ending Court Battles Litigation: Governor's deal with civil rights groups effectively kills 1994 anti-illegal immigrant measure. Accord is likely to ignite further controversy. July 29, 1999|PATRICK J. McDONNELL, TIMES STAFF WRITER (Page 2 of 4) Representatives of both sides, speaking under terms of anonymity, said they expect that Pfaelzer will approve the agreement, because it mirrors her ruling. The deal also is expected to lead to the dismissal of two state court cases challenging the right of illegal immigrants to attend public schools.

Confidentiality terms of the court-sponsored mediation that yielded the final deal made participants reluctant to speak publicly.

"I think that all fair-minded people will be satisfied with the announcement," said Peter A. Schey, attorney for the plaintiffs in one of five cases that successfully challenged Proposition 187 in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.

Gov. Davis and Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante declined comment. Davis is expected to address the agreement during a visit to Los Angeles today.

The Democratic governor, who opposed Proposition 187, inherited the case from his Republican predecessor. Former Gov. Pete Wilson had championed the ballot measure to score a come-from-behind reelection victory in 1994.

The initiative inadvertently triggered the political awakening of many Latinos who saw themselves, regardless of their citizenship status, as being targets. In Los Angeles, with its emerging Latino majority, Proposition 187 inspired one of the largest protest demonstrations ever--activism that eventually translated into growing Latino political participation.

Waging the battle against Proposition 187 was an alliance of Los Angeles-based civil rights groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and the Center for Human Rights and Constitutional Law, headed by Schey.

It is unclear what legal recourse is left for the backers of Proposition 187, who were blocked by federal courts from joining the state's case. One possibility, lawyers said, is that supporters now may seek a new court challenge to attack the agreement.

"Realistically, it depends on the nature of the agreement and what the 9th Circuit wants to do about it," said John H. Findley of the Pacific Legal Foundation in Sacramento, a conservative legal group representing some of the sponsors of Proposition 187.

Supporters of Proposition 187 blasted the agreement.page 2

there are two more pages at link.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-22   22:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Original_Intent (#36)

This is one of those interminable debates where both sides of the issue have valid points and it comes down to one's personal beliefs of what constitutes right and just. A child, or a baby, is not responsible for the actions of his or her parents and the child should not be held to account for them.

No other nation other than America has maintained a political and silly oversight of their own borders, such as what you proclaim in the 20th century. Yet, here you are arguing that I am an "ankle biter" while you have no guts to defend US sovereignty other than a few USSC cases defending the UN.

Enjoy your new lawn mower and dishwasher and bedmakers, you arrogant SOB.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   22:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Artisan, buckeroo (#37)

you are indeed obnoxious.

"Yes your honor this man has no dick."

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22   22:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Artisan (#39)

You act as though I am defending the actions. All I was doing was stating facts.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   22:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Original_Intent (#41)

Humping little illegal aliens (regardless of sex) are ya? Are ya drinking some tequila while at it, too?

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   22:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo (#42)

You act as though I am defending the actions. All I was doing was stating facts

My only claim is that the appeal on prop 187 never was allowed to be heard in the ninth circuit court because davis, who was against it all along, dropped it and chose mediation instead. this is easy to verify. This was davis' way of tanking it.

You said that it was defeated in the ninth circuit. my point was that it was not defeated there because it was not heard there. they ruled against it in a lower court and proponents, such as wilson, had planned on taking it further, to the ninth. now can you just agree that that is the accurate version of events?

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-22   22:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Original_Intent (#38)

If all they are going to do is agree with the nitwits in the Circuit Court(s) all they need to do is deny cert and be done with it. That would give them more time to think of more cunning ways to legislate from the bench and finish the Constitution off once and for all.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-22   22:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Artisan (#44)

My only claim is that the appeal on prop 187 never was allowed to be heard in the ninth circuit court because davis

The appeal process was not in the Ninth Circuit as I already pointed out. The use of exclusionary precedents by the USSC trumped the process altogether.

The case is on this thread as I pointed out to farmfriend.

Since you want a jurisprudence method of overturning the USSC, why no move forward with a new constitutional amendment reversing the earlier trends?

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   22:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: James Deffenbach (#45)

If all they are going to do is agree with the nitwits in the Circuit Court(s) all they need to do is deny cert and be done with it. That would give them more time to think of more cunning ways to legislate from the bench and finish the Constitution off once and for all.

Cynical - but unfortunately true. Perhaps they can formulate a new crystal ball which can see the "penumbras".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-22   22:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Original_Intent (#47)

Perhaps they can formulate a new crystal ball which can see the "penumbras".

Or even "chemtrails."

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   23:03:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#43)

Humping little illegal aliens (regardless of sex) are ya? Are ya drinking some tequila while at it, too?

You're being an ass sweetie pie.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   23:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: farmfriend (#14)

Yes, I am opinionated and I have biases.

That makes you as obnoxious as buck. I;m not the only one on here who thinks he's an ass and I'm being kind here to both of you.

LACUMO  posted on  2010-05-22   23:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: LACUMO (#50)

That makes you as obnoxious as buck. I;m not the only one on here who thinks he's an ass and I'm being kind here to both of you.

Then I have no call to continue being polite to you.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   23:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Artisan (#37)

and what do you have against glenn spencer?

Oh nothing. He rides around in a helicopter doing NOTHING but begging little ol' retired women and men to help him defend the US border.

And after he goes to the local POBox to collect his stipend of fantastic contribution towards society, he laffs all the way to the bank driving his Mercedes Benz.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   23:14:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#29)

Perhaps you have seen this before from LA Times.

Any LA Times I read is posted here. Thanks for the info.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   23:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: buckeroo (#30)

The guy is rude;

Pot, meet kettle.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-22   23:16:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Original_Intent (#47)

Perhaps they can formulate a new crystal ball which can see the "penumbras".

"...this society has a peculiar cant and jargon of their own, that no other mortal can understand, and wherein all their laws are written, which they take special care to multiply; whereby they have wholly confounded the very essence of truth and falsehood, of right and wrong;..."

From Gulliver's Travels, Book IV: A Voyage to the Country of the Houyhnhnms: Chapter 5

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-22   23:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Original_Intent, all (#41)

I have bozoed buck because I have been forced to conclude that reading his posts are not an efficient use of time.

Please let me know if I miss anything?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-05-22   23:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: farmfriend (#54)

Pot, meet kettle.

We are type "A" personalities. He enjoys watering tomatoe plants as a fundamental right using illegals as a self-proclaimed bona-fide American citizen and I refuse to accept or even consider eating the shit he grows.

"Sarah "Kiss my Torah" Palin" -- Jethro Tull, circa 2010-04-14

buckeroo  posted on  2010-05-22   23:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



      .
      .
      .

Comments (58 - 68) not displayed.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest


[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register]