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Title: WHAT THE U. S. SCIENTISTS ARE FORBIDDEN TO TELL THE MASSES AS TO THE GULF
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Published: May 22, 2010
Author: Dr. James P. Wickstrom
Post Date: 2010-05-23 06:58:09 by Itistoolate
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Views: 737
Comments: 69

WHAT THE U. S. SCIENTISTS ARE FORBIDDEN TO TELL THE MASSES AS TO THE GULF

What you are about to read, is what the scientists in the United States are not allowed to tell you in great fear of the Obama administration. They are under the threat of severe repercussions to the max.. Scientists confirming these findings cannot be named due to the above, but what they believe, they want to be known by all.

Take a U. S. map, lay it flat and measure inland just the minimum 50 miles of total destruction all around the Gulf of Mexico as to what you will read below. The carnage to the United States is so staggering, it will take your breathe away. Should what the scientists, who are trying to warn everyone about, is even close to be true... all of Florida will be completely destroyed and everyone and everything on it. You decide!! Everyone has the right to read what I have just written in this article, as well as to what is written below by the scientists who the Obama administration and BP are trying to shut up. Please share with as many as you can.
Dr. James P. Wickstrom

SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day. The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as well as the drilled hole itself.

As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the pressure.

The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18 months..

The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.

SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.. The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.

This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more. The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.

The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole. Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years. [End of scientists information release] (1 image)

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#1. To: Itistoolate (#0)

Anything that comes from obama and those in his administration should be questioned and given the recent past should be assumed to be propaganda. The same is true for those like Wickstrom. He is a member of the Christian Identity Group.

This isn't to say this information isn't true but one should take it with a grain of salt because his objective is not to inform but to create racial hatred and divide - the Hegelian Dialectic.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2010-05-23   9:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Itistoolate (#0)

I looked up the URl at advanced Google so I could share it.

doctorjamespwickstrom.blo.../what-u-s-scientists-are- forbidden-to.html

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2010-05-23   10:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Itistoolate (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-23   10:40:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eric Stratton (#3)

wetlandjack  posted on  2010-05-23   10:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: wetlandjack (#4)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-23   11:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Eric Stratton (#5)

wetlandjack  posted on  2010-05-23   11:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Itistoolate (#0)

The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole. Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years.

is there any other documentation for this?

"Unease, anxiety, tension, stress, worry — all forms of fear — are caused by too much future, and not enough presence. Guilt, regret, resentment, grievances, sadness, bitterness, and all forms of nonforgiveness are caused by too much past, and not enough presence" - The Power of Now

christine  posted on  2010-05-23   11:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: wetlandjack (#6)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-05-23   11:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Itistoolate (#0)

The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more.

Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life.

Not good news if you live on the Gulf

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-05-23   11:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Itistoolate (#0)

One thing I'm sure of; Obama hasn't a clue how to deal with this and the MSM can always be counted on to lie to the masses. With those as a given, the actual damage the Gulf is experiencing is most likely catastrophic.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-05-23   11:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Flintlock (#9)

all of FL being destroyed???? that's why i'd like to read other opinions on the likelihood of this tsunami prediction.

"Unease, anxiety, tension, stress, worry — all forms of fear — are caused by too much future, and not enough presence. Guilt, regret, resentment, grievances, sadness, bitterness, and all forms of nonforgiveness are caused by too much past, and not enough presence" - The Power of Now

christine  posted on  2010-05-23   11:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#11) (Edited)

wetlandjack  posted on  2010-05-23   11:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Itistoolate (#0)

This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more. The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.

I smell hogwash. This, IMO, is proof the author is no scientist.

First of all, I don't expect seawater will ever flow down the well. Oil pressure will certainly drop as oil exits the pipe, but as it drops, flow will reduce, and it will basically take years, if not decades, for oil to reduce to something slow enough for water to start entering.

And I'd have to look it up, but I don't think water would boil if it's 6 miles under sea level, even heated to 400 degrees. The enormous pressure would keep even superheated water at that temperature in liquid form. Superheated water at depth is already common at underwater volcanic vents and it does not vaporize.

If the well pipe truly is wearing away, that would be good news, as when (if) it fullly wears away, the seafloor will, I believe, collapse and reseal the well hole where the pipe was and that'll be it.

This spill may well be an enormous disaster, well beyond what's being reported, but if so, I don't think the author above has any more clue than anyone else.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-05-23   11:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Itistoolate, christine, Original_Intent, Lod (#0)

Any more scientists are just a form of politician and can't be trusted either.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-23   12:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#13)

I smell hogwash. This, IMO, is proof the author is no scientist.

read my post above


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-23   12:15:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: farmfriend (#15)

wetlandjack  posted on  2010-05-23   12:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: wetlandjack (#16)

Only in politicized areas. Oil, unlike climate science, is one that is still results driven.

Bullshit! Climate science is all about energy markets which include oil.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-23   12:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: christine, Flintlock (#11)

all of FL being destroyed???? that's why i'd like to read other opinions on the likelihood of this tsunami prediction.

Geologically it is plausible, BUT there are too many variables at this point. Although this could provide an explanation as to why Oh'bummer and fiends have sent nuke weapons specialists down there to survey the site. (Of course using a nuke could simply accelerate the process by releasing the pressure through multiple fractures in the bedrock rather than seal the hole. So, using nukes to seal it is not a sure thing.)

Given the apocalyptic possibilities here I can see why they would be afraid of such data going public. Not that it shouldn't go public but that the political and social consequences are such as to really really upset the Orwellian PsyOp being used to transform our society. People in imminent danger will rise above their apathy and petty neuroses and act. That is one thing the NWO crowd does not want - an alert and active populace alert to survival realities.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-23   12:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite, all (#13)

I smell hogwash. This, IMO, is proof the author is no scientist.

He's on wiki as being aligned with Hal Turner.

That is more than enough for me to call BS on this.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-05-23   12:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: farmfriend (#17)

wetlandjack  posted on  2010-05-23   12:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite, farmfriend (#13)

And I'd have to look it up, but I don't think water would boil if it's 6 miles under sea level, even heated to 400 degrees. The enormous pressure would keep even superheated water at that temperature in liquid form. Superheated water at depth is already common at underwater volcanic vents and it does not vaporize.

Ever visit Yellowstone Park? They have this strange phenomenon there called geysers. They are created by superheated water hitting magma underlying the Shield Volcano which lies under most of the park. The water seeps down, is heated and pressurized and then blows out through natural relief valves called geysers. Do it on a large enough scale and that geyser is no different than an explosion.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-23   12:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent, Pinguinite (#21)

Ever visit Yellowstone Park? They have this strange phenomenon there called geysers.

In a very real sense that is what the black smokers are. Water being superheated but magma. However the pressures at depth keep it from turning to steam.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-23   12:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: wetlandjack (#20)

There is a difference between the management being deceptive and the engineer/scientist who has to produce results.

Scientists are not immune to biases based on political beliefs.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-05-23   12:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#21)

Do it on a large enough scale and that geyser is no different than an explosion.

I shared information I received from geologist friend and his acquaintences who have been discussing the Gulf mess. See http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118237&Disp=19#C19 and 20.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-23   12:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: farmfriend, Pinguinite (#22)

Ever visit Yellowstone Park? They have this strange phenomenon there called geysers.

In a very real sense that is what the black smokers are. Water being superheated but magma. However the pressures at depth keep it from turning to steam.

Boyle's Law still applies - if you heat a liquid which gassifies at some temperature "X", say water, at sufficient temperature the volume begins to increase thus the pressure will increase - the greater the amount of heat applied the greater the pressure. The increase in pressure will continue to the point that the vessel holding it will burst. I don't know enough geophysics to say at what point that occurs, but I do know the physical laws tell me that at some point it will occur.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-23   13:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Phant2000 (#24)

Thanks - there is something wrong with the URL you posted though - it gives me a 404 "Not Found" error.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-23   13:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#26)

OI: This is the other thread ... and #19 and 20 are posts I made with info I received from those working in the Gulf AND on land. I'll try again ... http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=118359&Disp

I tried it myself and it worked ... however, that doesn't mean it will work on your puter!!!

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-23   13:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Phant2000 (#27)

That brought me back to this thread. What is the headline for the thread?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-05-23   13:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent (#28)

Told you I have confused myself ... U.S. COAST GUARD THREATENED CBS NEWS CREW WITH ARREST FOR FILMING OIL SPILL

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-23   13:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#25)

Pressure increases about one atmosphere for every 10 meters of water depth. At a depth of 5,000 meters the pressure will be approximately 500 atmospheres or 500 times greater than the pressure at sea level.

Looking at this phase diagram for water, you can see that water remains liquid at a two thousand foot depth even when its temperature is over 300 degrees C.

I see psyops everywhere.

randge  posted on  2010-05-23   13:29:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: randge, AllIs Gulf oil rig disaster far worse than we're being told? Mike Adams Natural News May 9, 2010 Reports about the massive Gulf of Mexico oil spill have been largely underestimated, according to commentators, including Paul Noel, a Software Engi (#30)

Is Gulf oil rig disaster far worse than we're being told? Mike Adams Natural News May 9, 2010

Reports about the massive Gulf of Mexico oil spill have been largely underestimated, according to commentators, including Paul Noel, a Software Engineer for the U.S. Army at Redstone Arsenal in Alabama. He believes that the pocket of oil that's been hit is so powerful and under so much pressure that it may be virtually impossible to contain it. And Noel is not the only person questioning the scope of this disaster.

There's no telling where this continuous stream of oil will end up and what damage it might cause.

A recent story from the Christian Science Monitor (CSM) reports that many independent scientists believe the leak is spewing far more than the 5,000 barrels, or 210,000 gallons, per day being reported by most media sources. They believe the leak could be discharging up to 25,000 barrels (more than one million gallons) of crude oil a day right now.

The riser pipe that was bent and crimped after the oil rig sank is restricting some of the flow from the tapped oil pocket, but as the leaking oil rushes into the well's riser, it is forcing sand with it at very high speeds and "sand blasting" the pipe (which is quickly eroding its structural integrity).

According to a leaked National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration memo obtained by an Alabama newspaper, if the riser erodes any further and creates more leaks, up to 50,000 barrels, or 2.1 million gallons, per day of crude oil could begin flooding Gulf waters every day.

When this disaster first occurred, the media downplayed it. BP spokespersons were quick to claim that the leakage was minimal and that crews would eventually be able to contain it. But as time went on, it became clear that things were not under control and that the spill was far more serious than we were originally told. (Gee, sound familiar? Remember Katrina?)

Yet some of the media reports still seem more like press releases than actual reporting because they continue to repeat what the public relations cleanup crews (pun intended) would like the public to believe rather than what's actually happening. Reality, it seems, has a nasty habit of interfering with corporate spin.

Cap and trade becomes "cap and pray"

The New York Times yesterday reported that BP is working on a large containment dome that is intended to cap the leak and catch the escaping oil so that it can be safely pumped to the surface. Meanwhile, crews are said to be working on fixing the broken blow-out preventer valve that should have stopped the leak from happening in the first place, but they have been unsuccessful thus far.

Almost every report says that BP is doing everything it can to contain the spill and stop the leak, even though the company claims it is not technically at fault. According to an article from the U.K. Daily Mail, BP's CEO Tony Hayward recently responded to the cleanup efforts by explaining, "This is not our accident but it is our responsibility to deal with it."

Swiss-based Transocean is the company that actually owned and operated the sunken rig. It manned the rig with its own crew and BP just leased it from Transocean (which makes you wonder why BP is so willing to take full responsibility for everything).

BP says that it's working on a relief well, but that it could take up to three months to complete. Until then, the company is trying several different approaches to at least slow the leak and hopefully stop it altogether.

Mind you, almost all of the information about the spill from day one has come directly from BP which obviously has every incentive to downplay the true environmental destruction that could be caused by this oil spill.

Even the word "spill" is incorrect. This isn't some ship of oil that spilled into the ocean — it's a "volcano" of oil spewing from the belly of Mother Earth herself. It's under extremely high pressure, it's spewing a huge volume of oil directly into the ocean, and there so far seems to be no human-engineered way of stopping it (short of setting off an underground nuclear bomb near the well site).

Addressing the unanswered questions

According to the CSM article, environmental risk models are normally performed for pollutants like crude oil, yet not one model has yet been released for this incident by BP or the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Many are wondering why this crucial information has not been made public. Could it be because the results of the model might seem too catastrophic?

Neither has there been an adequate explanation given for exactly why the oil rig exploded… twice! Some reports indicate that the crews responsible for properly cementing the well casing didn't do it right. Others suggest that the oil deposit was just too large and under too much pressure for the equipment to handle it. (Be careful where you poke around the planet if you can't handle what comes out, right?)

It's also important to note that, according to a recent New York Times article, Halliburton was actually the company responsible for all the cementing work on the rig, which brings a third party into the picture.

BP's federal permits allowed the company to drill up to 20,000 feet deep, but according to one of the workers who was onboard the rig during the explosion, drilling in excess of 22,000 feet had been taking place. This same worker is said to handle company records for BP, but BP has denied these allegations.

BP has declined to comment, however, on other allegations that the spill happened because it chose not to install necessary deep-water valves which would have acted as a last resort seal of protection in the event of an emergency.

Several other allegations include suspicions that the crews allowed gas to build up in the well bore and that the rig operator tried to detach too quickly from the well, causing a disruption.

BP, Halliburton and Transocean have all indicated that they are continuing to investigate the situation. When companies investigate themselves, however, the truth rarely comes out.

The possibility of an extinction event?

It's hard to say exactly what's going on in the Gulf right now, especially because there are so many conflicting reports and unanswered questions. But one thing's for sure: if the situation is actually much worse than we're being led to believe, there could be worldwide catastrophic consequences.

If it's true that millions upon millions of gallons of crude oil are flooding the Gulf with no end in sight, the massive oil slicks being created could make their way into the Gulf Stream currents, which would carry them not only up the East Coast but around the world where they could absolutely destroy the global fishing industries.

Already these slicks are making their way into Gulf wetlands and beaches where they are destroying birds, fish, and even oyster beds. This is disastrous for both the seafood industry and the people whose livelihoods depend on it. It's also devastating to the local wildlife which could begin to die off from petroleum toxicity. Various ecosystems around the world could be heavily impacted by this spill in ways that we don't even yet realize.

There's no telling where this continuous stream of oil will end up and what damage it might cause. Theoretically, we could be looking at modern man's final act of destruction on planet Earth, because this one oil rig blowout could set in motion a global extinction wave that begins with the oceans and then whiplashes back onto human beings themselves.

We cannot live without life in the oceans. Man is arrogant to drill so deeply into the belly of Mother Earth, and through this arrogance, we may have just set in motion events that will ultimately destroy us. In the future, we may in fact talk about life on Earth as "pre-spill" versus "post-spill." Because a post-spill world may be drowned in oil, devoid of much ocean life, and suffering a global extinction event that will crash the human population by 90 percent or more.

We may have just done to ourselves, in other words, what a giant meteorite did to the dinosaurs.

Mike Adams, Natural News

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www.nytimes.com/2010/05/10/opinion/10krugman.html

Sex & Drugs & the Spill PAUL KRUGMAN Published: May 9, 2010

"Obama's Katrina": that was the line from some pundits and news sources, as they tried to blame the current administration for the gulf oil spill. It was nonsense, of course. An Associated Press review of the Obama administration's actions and statements as the disaster unfolded found "little resemblance" to the shambolic response to Katrina — and there has been nothing like those awful days when everyone in the world except the Bush inner circle seemed aware of the human catastrophe in New Orleans.

Yet there is a common thread running through Katrina and the gulf spill — namely, the collapse in government competence and effectiveness that took place during the Bush years.

The full story of the Deepwater Horizon blowout is still emerging. But it's already obvious both that BP failed to take adequate precautions, and that federal regulators made no effort to ensure that such precautions were taken.

For years, the Minerals Management Service, the arm of the Interior Department that oversees drilling in the gulf, minimized the environmental risks of drilling. It failed to require a backup shutdown system that is standard in much of the rest of the world, even though its own staff declared such a system necessary. It exempted many offshore drillers from the requirement that they file plans to deal with major oil spills. And it specifically allowed BP to drill Deepwater Horizon without a detailed environmental analysis.

Surely, however, none of this — except, possibly, that last exemption, granted early in the Obama administration — surprises anyone who followed the history of the Interior Department during the Bush years.

For the Bush administration was, to a large degree, run by and for the extractive industries — and I'm not just talking about Dick Cheney's energy task force. Crucially, management of Interior was turned over to lobbyists, most notably J. Steven Griles, a coal-industry lobbyist who became deputy secretary and effectively ran the department. (In 2007 Mr. Griles pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about his ties to Jack Abramoff.)

Given this history, it's not surprising that the Minerals Management Service became subservient to the oil industry — although what actually happened is almost too lurid to believe. According to reports by Interior's inspector general, abuses at the agency went beyond undue influence: there was "a culture of substance abuse and promiscuity" — cocaine, sexual relationships with industry representatives, and more. Protecting the environment was presumably the last thing on these government employees' minds.

Now, President Obama isn't completely innocent of blame in the current spill. As I said, BP received an environmental waiver for Deepwater Horizon after Mr. Obama took office. It's true that he'd only been in the White House for two and half months, and the Senate wouldn't confirm the new head of the Minerals Management Service until four months later. But the fact that the administration hadn't yet had time to put its stamp on the agency should have led to extra caution about giving the go-ahead to projects with possible environmental risks.

And it's worth noting that environmentalists were bitterly disappointed when Mr. Obama chose Ken Salazar as secretary of the interior. They feared that he would be too friendly to mineral and agricultural interests, that his appointment meant that there wouldn't be a sharp break with Bush-era policies — and in this one instance at least, they seem to have been right.

In any case, now is the time to make that break — and I don't just mean by cleaning house at the Minerals Management Service. What really needs to change is our whole attitude toward government. For the troubles at Interior weren't unique: they were part of a broader pattern that includes the failure of banking regulation and the transformation of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, a much-admired organization during the Clinton years, into a cruel joke. And the common theme in all these stories is the degradation of effective government by antigovernment ideology.

Mr. Obama understands this: he gave an especially eloquent defense of government at the University of Michigan's commencement, declaring among other things that "government is what ensures that mines adhere to safety standards and that oil spills are cleaned up by the companies that caused them."

Yet antigovernment ideology remains all too prevalent, despite the havoc it has wrought. In fact, it has been making a comeback with the rise of the Tea Party movement. If there's any silver lining to the disaster in the gulf, it is that it may serve as a wake-up call, a reminder that we need politicians who believe in good government, because there are some jobs only the government can do.

A version of this op-ed appeared in print on May 10, 2010, on page A23 of the New York edition.

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www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/us/14oil.html

Size of Oil Spill Underestimated, Scientists Say JUSTIN GILLIS May 13, 2010

Two weeks ago, the government put out a round estimate of the size of the oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico: 5,000 barrels a day. Repeated endlessly in news reports, it has become conventional wisdom.

But scientists and environmental groups are raising sharp questions about that estimate, declaring that the leak must be far larger. They also criticize BP for refusing to use well-known scientific techniques that would give a more precise figure.

The criticism escalated on Thursday, a day after the release of a video that showed a huge black plume of oil gushing from the broken well at a seemingly high rate. BP has repeatedly claimed that measuring the plume would be impossible.

The figure of 5,000 barrels a day was hastily produced by government scientists in Seattle. It appears to have been calculated using a method that is specifically not recommended for major oil spills.

Ian R. MacDonald, an oceanographer at Florida State University who is an expert in the analysis of oil slicks, said he had made his own rough calculations using satellite imagery. They suggested that the leak could "easily be four or five times" the government estimate, he said.

"The government has a responsibility to get good numbers," Dr. MacDonald said. "If it's beyond their technical capability, the whole world is ready to help them."

Scientists said that the size of the spill was directly related to the amount of damage it would do in the ocean and onshore, and that calculating it accurately was important for that reason.

BP has repeatedly said that its highest priority is stopping the leak, not measuring it. "There's just no way to measure it," Kent Wells, a BP senior vice president, said in a recent briefing.

Yet for decades, specialists have used a technique that is almost tailor-made for the problem. With undersea gear that resembles the ultrasound machines in medical offices, they measure the flow rate from hot-water vents on the ocean floor. Scientists said that such equipment could be tuned to allow for accurate measurement of oil and gas flowing from the well.

Richard Camilli and Andy Bowen, of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, who have routinely made such measurements, spoke extensively to BP last week, Mr. Bowen said. They were poised to fly to the gulf to conduct volume measurements.

But they were contacted late in the week and told not to come, at around the time BP decided to lower a large metal container to try to capture the leak. That maneuver failed. They have not been invited again.

"The government and BP are calling the shots, so I will have to respect their judgment," Dr. Camilli said.

BP did not respond Thursday to a question about why Dr. Camilli and Mr. Bowen were told to stand down. Speaking more broadly about the company's policy on measuring the leak, a spokesman, David H. Nicholas, said in

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-05-23   13:48:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Itistoolate, 4 (#31)

So, as our financial debacle continues to unwind, we have the SEC watching porn all day while the MMS guys are getting laid by oil industry hookers.

What a wonderful .gov.

Lod  posted on  2010-05-23   14:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: randge, All (#30)

I found a good source for information: www.theoildrum.com You can "open an account" and have access to the entire site. Doesn't cost a dime, unless you opt to respond to the owner's "donations appreciated".

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-23   16:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Phant2000 (#33)

Yeah, this is a great site, if you're just a bit familiar with oil industry jargon. Even if you're not, it's really interesting to read the back and forth among posters who work out in the field.

I see psyops everywhere.

randge  posted on  2010-05-23   17:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: randge (#34)

... it's really interesting to read the back and forth among posters who work out in the field.

I found it interesting, too, randge -- is the reason I passed it on.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-23   17:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Phant2000 (#33)

Thanks for this one!

Lod  posted on  2010-05-23   17:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#21)

The water seeps down, is heated and pressurized and then blows out through natural relief valves called geysers.

On this point, I'm questioning whether 400 degrees, I presume fahrenheit, is sufficient to boil water 30000 feet under sea level. That's 5000 feet of Gulf water plus 25000 more at the bottom of the well. That's at about 909 atmospheres of pressure, or about 13300 PSI. Unfortunately I can't seem to find any calculators on the net for computing that but maybe there's one somewhere.

How deep is the geyser water in Yellowstone? I suspect it's far less that 30000 feet.

But even this aside, there's still the question of how and when water would be able to drain into what is now the oil reserve 25000 feet down. That's many years away, very possibly decades even if the oil would be allowed to flow that long. And even BP will be able to cut it off in a few months, disaster or no disaster.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-05-23   17:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pinguinite (#37)

You guys are doing an excellent job of keeping this thread going ... AND, I am enjoying the contents.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-23   17:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Original_Intent, Phant2000 (#26)

There was a stray space in the URL. Here's the correct link:

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...ArtNum=118237&Disp=19#C19

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-05-23   17:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Pinguinite (#37)

to find any calculators

here's a calculator for sea water

groundresonance  posted on  2010-05-23   18:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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