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Title: Cops not allowed to request ID? An absurd notion that's never been true
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x- ... -notion-thats-never-been-true#
Published: May 29, 2010
Author: .
Post Date: 2010-05-29 17:10:20 by Artisan
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Views: 1791
Comments: 105

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With seemingly never-ending angst and bickering over Arizona's recent immigration law SB 1070, proponents and supporters of the law have used several arguements in defense of it. ''It's 100% Constitutional, it simply mirrors existing federal law'', they insist. They will go on to assure that no 'racial profiling' is involved, that people won't be stopped based on race, and that people can only be asked for ID after they are stopped for legitimate and legal just cause, such as an alleged traffic violation.

This brings me to my question which addresses the very crux of the issue. Do supporters of this law believe that police were, until passage of SB 1070, legally and legitimately prohibited from demanding ID from those whom they lawfully detain?

If so, that is quite an outrageous and absurd contention. The fact is that police have always been lawfully allowed to request identification after legitimately detaining a suspect.

'But they had to do SOMETHING', they'll reply, 'the feds refuse to halt the hoards of illegals!'

While true, that the feds have purposely allowed massive illegal immigration for decades, please stick with the point at hand and simply address the question I am asking. Do you actually believe that cops across the United States have no authority to ask for ID unless each state legislature passes a 'special law' allowing them to do so? If you belive this, why do you believe it? Who taught you such nonsense? [article continues here

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#4. To: Artisan (#0)

Asking for ID is one thing. Asking for documentation of citizenship is something different.

THe simple fact is that not everyone has documentation of citizenship. There are, to be sure, birth certificates, but so many people on this website refuse to believe that Obama's birth certificate is authentic. Some people - including the many elderly who retired to Arizona - either never got their birth certificates from the Health Dept or else misplaced them over the decades. Some might have baptismal certificates from when they were newborns -- but can Arizona cops read a Greek Orthodox Church baptismal certificate written in Greek or a Jewish circumcision certificate written in Hebrew?

Hell, we don't trust the cops to tell the proper time when they ticket us for overtime parking - do we really trust them to make the proper assessment of citizenship papers?!

Shoonra  posted on  2010-05-30   10:21:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Shoonra (#4)

Shut up already.

There is not a country whose soil I've trod as an visitor or alien that didn't require me to carry paper that made it clear to any local cop what my citizenship was.

Such papers and requirements are customary throughout the civilized world - even in Mexico.

randge  posted on  2010-05-30   10:42:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: randge (#5)

Such papers and requirements are customary throughout the civilized world - even in Mexico.

Such papers and requirements are customary throughout the civilized world -even uncivilized Mexico requires papers.

Randge, no charge for correction.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-30   11:12:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#7)

sovereign nations can and should require proof of visitors upon request. however, i will note that ivw never in all the years been asked in mexico, or even in red china, or europe. in the usss, however, i been stopped 100 miles from the border numerous times. its a training /conditioning exercise for the sheeply.

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-30   11:30:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan (#11)

I recall in years past undergoing numerous border checks, several countries, but was never asked for my papers anywhere. Of course that was in a more civilized world of long ago.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-05-30   11:34:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#21. To: Cynicom (#15)

i dont mind border checks, what i resent is warrantless suspicionless checkpoints 100 miles from any border, within the usa. you may have seen checkpointUSA.ORG highly recommended and hilarious site.

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-30 12:00:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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