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Title: Cops not allowed to request ID? An absurd notion that's never been true
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x- ... -notion-thats-never-been-true#
Published: May 29, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-05-29 17:10:20 by Artisan
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Views: 1136
Comments: 105

LA County Libertarian Examiner

With seemingly never-ending angst and bickering over Arizona's recent immigration law SB 1070, proponents and supporters of the law have used several arguements in defense of it. ''It's 100% Constitutional, it simply mirrors existing federal law'', they insist. They will go on to assure that no 'racial profiling' is involved, that people won't be stopped based on race, and that people can only be asked for ID after they are stopped for legitimate and legal just cause, such as an alleged traffic violation.

This brings me to my question which addresses the very crux of the issue. Do supporters of this law believe that police were, until passage of SB 1070, legally and legitimately prohibited from demanding ID from those whom they lawfully detain?

If so, that is quite an outrageous and absurd contention. The fact is that police have always been lawfully allowed to request identification after legitimately detaining a suspect.

'But they had to do SOMETHING', they'll reply, 'the feds refuse to halt the hoards of illegals!'

While true, that the feds have purposely allowed massive illegal immigration for decades, please stick with the point at hand and simply address the question I am asking. Do you actually believe that cops across the United States have no authority to ask for ID unless each state legislature passes a 'special law' allowing them to do so? If you belive this, why do you believe it? Who taught you such nonsense? [article continues here

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#4. To: Artisan (#0)

Asking for ID is one thing. Asking for documentation of citizenship is something different.

THe simple fact is that not everyone has documentation of citizenship. There are, to be sure, birth certificates, but so many people on this website refuse to believe that Obama's birth certificate is authentic. Some people - including the many elderly who retired to Arizona - either never got their birth certificates from the Health Dept or else misplaced them over the decades. Some might have baptismal certificates from when they were newborns -- but can Arizona cops read a Greek Orthodox Church baptismal certificate written in Greek or a Jewish circumcision certificate written in Hebrew?

Hell, we don't trust the cops to tell the proper time when they ticket us for overtime parking - do we really trust them to make the proper assessment of citizenship papers?!

Shoonra  posted on  2010-05-30   10:21:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

there is a driver in phoenix stopped last month forced to show his birth certificate. he was born here yet ice arrested him, ice said this is standard op. procedure. and still prior to ab 1070 taking effect. yet more proof the law was not legally needed. he was detained by ice until his wife brought his birth certificate. the reason cops never asked illegals for id is because it was policy handed down from top. NOT because it was disallowed.

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-30   11:22:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

am i under the mistaken idea that the citizens of AZ voted for this new law?

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   11:28:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

yes. the legislature voted/ passed it. it was not a referendum. i hope you understand my point though. people are silly and stupid if they think cops could not ask for id until now. they simply didnt want or choose to.

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-30   11:33:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i do understand your point and that it was not a referendum makes a difference in my mind.

i'd be interested to see the percentage of Arizonians who support the law.

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   11:37:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There was no public vote however public support is running around 60% once again proof that the majority is always wrong...here's what most are missing with this...because all states have different requirements for getting a drivers license or ID the only solution (which they are working on right now ) is a national bio metric ID card for everyone....those who think this law will do anything to stop the illegal's are dreaming rather it's a case of be careful what you wish for.

robnoel  posted on  2010-05-30   11:58:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i get it, robby. what i don't get is a solution to the illegal situation. you have to understand the citizens of the states'(especially border states) frustration, anger, helplessness in watching the catastrophic losses they are having to endure because of it.

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   12:39:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#31. To: christine (#27)

... understand the citizens of the states'(especially border states) frustration, anger, helplessness in watching the catastrophic losses they are having to endure ...

Christine:

This bill was passed by the state legislators of Arizona who, I might add, paid close attention to the sheeple's wishes. At the time the law was passed, several polls showed approval of the public at 70%.

If you read this bill (which I have), you aren't trying to bullshit someone into accepting YOUR point of view, you have paid attention to, or are aware of, just the crime that has come to Arizona with the illegal traffic, and you have personally witnessed the lack of action by the Border Patrol over the past 12 years, then you know full well what created the necessity of Bill 1070. That Bill actually makes it harder to ask someone for identification than the Federal law, yet gives authority to local law enforcement to alleviate a problem not being addressed by the Feds.

Be aware that, during and since Gore ran for president, BOTH parties have been aware of the HUGE voting bloc the Hispanics represent. First the Dems (1987 and 1988) capitalized on the Hispanic vote and, when George W. Bush was campaigning, the Reps (1999 and 2000) played to that group of voters.

During all that time and until today, our Border Patrol agents have had their ability to enforce Federal law minimalized. I have had discussions over the phone, at lunch and in elevators with agents who have announced, "Today is an off day". That means they will NOT be covering illegal traffic, but will keep themselves busy on that particular day with some insignificant duty that keeps them away from the area of such traffic.

Simply put: Having local law enforcement enforce Federal laws will have even a greater negative impact on the voting of Hispanics. It is easy for ME to see that the plan is to negate that impact by turning out whomever they can find to protest such action.

Given the close relationship of buckwheat to the unions, where do you think the protestors come from? They are bussed in and paid a nominal ($10 each) fee. They are told if they don't show up and protest, all the benefits they have gained through union membership will be lost forever. Because most who appear ARE Hispanics, they have little or no knowledge or experience with our language, our culture, our laws and the dishonesty of union hierarchy.

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-30 13:53:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

i get it, robby. what i don't get is a solution to the illegal situation

The solution is easy....enforce current law on the books rather than require everyone to get a National ID card....the mind set on this issue is no different to the Patriot Act when the mis-guided majority supported it.That turned out real well protecting freedoms

Current law in AZ requires all business to verify the status of folks they hire through a EVerify system where name and social security are matched. Got a friend who runs 100 plus Burger Kings ever since this law has been on the books he has never been visited by ICE to check that he has complied

robnoel  posted on  2010-05-31 07:41:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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