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Title: Cops not allowed to request ID? An absurd notion that's never been true
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x- ... -notion-thats-never-been-true#
Published: May 29, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-05-29 17:10:20 by Artisan
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Views: 1384
Comments: 105

LA County Libertarian Examiner

With seemingly never-ending angst and bickering over Arizona's recent immigration law SB 1070, proponents and supporters of the law have used several arguements in defense of it. ''It's 100% Constitutional, it simply mirrors existing federal law'', they insist. They will go on to assure that no 'racial profiling' is involved, that people won't be stopped based on race, and that people can only be asked for ID after they are stopped for legitimate and legal just cause, such as an alleged traffic violation.

This brings me to my question which addresses the very crux of the issue. Do supporters of this law believe that police were, until passage of SB 1070, legally and legitimately prohibited from demanding ID from those whom they lawfully detain?

If so, that is quite an outrageous and absurd contention. The fact is that police have always been lawfully allowed to request identification after legitimately detaining a suspect.

'But they had to do SOMETHING', they'll reply, 'the feds refuse to halt the hoards of illegals!'

While true, that the feds have purposely allowed massive illegal immigration for decades, please stick with the point at hand and simply address the question I am asking. Do you actually believe that cops across the United States have no authority to ask for ID unless each state legislature passes a 'special law' allowing them to do so? If you belive this, why do you believe it? Who taught you such nonsense? [article continues here

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#4. To: Artisan (#0)

Asking for ID is one thing. Asking for documentation of citizenship is something different.

THe simple fact is that not everyone has documentation of citizenship. There are, to be sure, birth certificates, but so many people on this website refuse to believe that Obama's birth certificate is authentic. Some people - including the many elderly who retired to Arizona - either never got their birth certificates from the Health Dept or else misplaced them over the decades. Some might have baptismal certificates from when they were newborns -- but can Arizona cops read a Greek Orthodox Church baptismal certificate written in Greek or a Jewish circumcision certificate written in Hebrew?

Hell, we don't trust the cops to tell the proper time when they ticket us for overtime parking - do we really trust them to make the proper assessment of citizenship papers?!

Shoonra  posted on  2010-05-30   10:21:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#5. To: Shoonra (#4)

Shut up already.

There is not a country whose soil I've trod as an visitor or alien that didn't require me to carry paper that made it clear to any local cop what my citizenship was.

Such papers and requirements are customary throughout the civilized world - even in Mexico.

randge  posted on  2010-05-30 10:42:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Shoonra (#4)

Hell, we don't trust the cops to tell the proper time when they ticket us for overtime do we really trust them to make the proper assessment of citizenship papers?!

The Jews on Eastern Parkway in Brooklyn sure trusted the cops to get things right. Hell, they used the NYPD as their private Pinkerton service. Don't believe me? Ask any beat cop from the 71st Pct or the 77th Pct, but I'm sure you won't. It was obscene that officers were ordered to protect certain people because of their irrational fear of the black members of their community.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-05-30 11:08:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Shoonra, jethro tull, christine, original_intent, wudidiz, james deffenbach, rotara, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#4)

there is a driver in phoenix stopped last month forced to show his birth certificate. he was born here yet ice arrested him, ice said this is standard op. procedure. and still prior to ab 1070 taking effect. yet more proof the law was not legally needed. he was detained by ice until his wife brought his birth certificate. the reason cops never asked illegals for id is because it was policy handed down from top. NOT because it was disallowed.

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-30 11:22:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Shoonra (#4)

Hell, we don't trust the cops to tell the proper time when they ticket us for overtime parking - do we really trust them to make the proper assessment of citizenship papers?!

As in many other neighborhoods, blacks in Crown Heights complain of crime, drugs and bad schools. But here the Hasidim are often the focus of the anger because of the widespread belief that they receive special treatment from the police and other city institutions and get help that blacks sorely need in a time of dwindling resources.

The Hasidic perception is that they need small accommodations -- suspension of parking rules on the Sabbath, closing of streets during holidays, an extra measure of police protection for their leaders -- to practice their religion

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-05-30 11:53:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Shoonra (#4)

so many people on this website refuse to believe that Obama's birth certificate is authentic.

And rightly so. Have you ever heard of anyone besides Obama spending upwards of 2 million dollars to keep his actual birth certificate hiddden? That pos he, or his flunkies, put on the internet is not a long form birth certificate and doesn't prove anything. Anyone could get one of those from Hawaii, even people born in Indonesia or Japan (and apparently Kenya).

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-05-30 16:12:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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