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Title: Cops not allowed to request ID? An absurd notion that's never been true
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x- ... -notion-thats-never-been-true#
Published: May 29, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-05-29 17:10:20 by Artisan
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Views: 1390
Comments: 105

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With seemingly never-ending angst and bickering over Arizona's recent immigration law SB 1070, proponents and supporters of the law have used several arguements in defense of it. ''It's 100% Constitutional, it simply mirrors existing federal law'', they insist. They will go on to assure that no 'racial profiling' is involved, that people won't be stopped based on race, and that people can only be asked for ID after they are stopped for legitimate and legal just cause, such as an alleged traffic violation.

This brings me to my question which addresses the very crux of the issue. Do supporters of this law believe that police were, until passage of SB 1070, legally and legitimately prohibited from demanding ID from those whom they lawfully detain?

If so, that is quite an outrageous and absurd contention. The fact is that police have always been lawfully allowed to request identification after legitimately detaining a suspect.

'But they had to do SOMETHING', they'll reply, 'the feds refuse to halt the hoards of illegals!'

While true, that the feds have purposely allowed massive illegal immigration for decades, please stick with the point at hand and simply address the question I am asking. Do you actually believe that cops across the United States have no authority to ask for ID unless each state legislature passes a 'special law' allowing them to do so? If you belive this, why do you believe it? Who taught you such nonsense? [article continues here

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#4. To: Artisan (#0)

Asking for ID is one thing. Asking for documentation of citizenship is something different.

THe simple fact is that not everyone has documentation of citizenship. There are, to be sure, birth certificates, but so many people on this website refuse to believe that Obama's birth certificate is authentic. Some people - including the many elderly who retired to Arizona - either never got their birth certificates from the Health Dept or else misplaced them over the decades. Some might have baptismal certificates from when they were newborns -- but can Arizona cops read a Greek Orthodox Church baptismal certificate written in Greek or a Jewish circumcision certificate written in Hebrew?

Hell, we don't trust the cops to tell the proper time when they ticket us for overtime parking - do we really trust them to make the proper assessment of citizenship papers?!

Shoonra  posted on  2010-05-30   10:21:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Shoonra, jethro tull, christine, original_intent, wudidiz, james deffenbach, rotara, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#4)

there is a driver in phoenix stopped last month forced to show his birth certificate. he was born here yet ice arrested him, ice said this is standard op. procedure. and still prior to ab 1070 taking effect. yet more proof the law was not legally needed. he was detained by ice until his wife brought his birth certificate. the reason cops never asked illegals for id is because it was policy handed down from top. NOT because it was disallowed.

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-30   11:22:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#9)

am i under the mistaken idea that the citizens of AZ voted for this new law?

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   11:28:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#10)

yes. the legislature voted/ passed it. it was not a referendum. i hope you understand my point though. people are silly and stupid if they think cops could not ask for id until now. they simply didnt want or choose to.

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-30   11:33:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Artisan (#13)

i do understand your point and that it was not a referendum makes a difference in my mind.

i'd be interested to see the percentage of Arizonians who support the law.

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   11:37:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#17)

There was no public vote however public support is running around 60% once again proof that the majority is always wrong...here's what most are missing with this...because all states have different requirements for getting a drivers license or ID the only solution (which they are working on right now ) is a national bio metric ID card for everyone....those who think this law will do anything to stop the illegal's are dreaming rather it's a case of be careful what you wish for.

robnoel  posted on  2010-05-30   11:58:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: robnoel (#20)

....those who think this law will do anything to stop the illegal's are dreaming rather it's a case of be careful what you wish for.

Oh, I wish for it. Think of this as a first step in the right direction. It really isn't that hard to ID an illegal, and if a mistake is made and some poor soul is required to ID themselves, chalk it up for the greater good. This nation can no longer absorb the economic drain that comes with illegal immigration.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-05-30   12:56:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

jt they already were allowed to demand ID. You know that, so what specifically did this law allow that was not already allowed? that is why i call BS on this whole thing.

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-30   13:25:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Artisan, all, start the racial profiling now (#30)

jt they already were allowed to demand ID. You know that, so what specifically did this law allow that was not already allowed? that is why i call BS on this whole thing.

We have lots of laws on the books, and lots of them are ignored with a wink and a nod. AZ has had enough. It simply can't afford illegals taxing (pardon the pun) the system any longer. The citizens are weary of crime, social services being used by these folk, and the waste, trash and destruction they leave in their wake. So what's new with this law? The Governor is simply giving the local PD's of the various municipalities the green light to question further someone who already violated a law. I TOTALLY support it and would be more than happy to carry my BC to prove my citizenship. Of course that wouldn't be necessary because I'm a white, English speaking only guy, and the illegals are mostly Mexican, non English speakers. I say start the racial profiling in spades. This insanity has to stop.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-05-30   20:38:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull, Arisan, bush_is_a_moonie, robnoel, noone222, all (#36)

how about the probability that AZ's having this law may just encourage emigration by the illegals already there and also discourage more from coming in.

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   21:15:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: christine (#39)

My opinion is that law enforcement abuses technology (in this case biometrics- data based I.D.) to compensate for their incompetence at the expense of good people's liberty and rights.

noone222  posted on  2010-05-31   4:25:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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