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Title: Cops not allowed to request ID? An absurd notion that's never been true
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x- ... -notion-thats-never-been-true#
Published: May 29, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-05-29 17:10:20 by Artisan
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Views: 1363
Comments: 105

LA County Libertarian Examiner

With seemingly never-ending angst and bickering over Arizona's recent immigration law SB 1070, proponents and supporters of the law have used several arguements in defense of it. ''It's 100% Constitutional, it simply mirrors existing federal law'', they insist. They will go on to assure that no 'racial profiling' is involved, that people won't be stopped based on race, and that people can only be asked for ID after they are stopped for legitimate and legal just cause, such as an alleged traffic violation.

This brings me to my question which addresses the very crux of the issue. Do supporters of this law believe that police were, until passage of SB 1070, legally and legitimately prohibited from demanding ID from those whom they lawfully detain?

If so, that is quite an outrageous and absurd contention. The fact is that police have always been lawfully allowed to request identification after legitimately detaining a suspect.

'But they had to do SOMETHING', they'll reply, 'the feds refuse to halt the hoards of illegals!'

While true, that the feds have purposely allowed massive illegal immigration for decades, please stick with the point at hand and simply address the question I am asking. Do you actually believe that cops across the United States have no authority to ask for ID unless each state legislature passes a 'special law' allowing them to do so? If you belive this, why do you believe it? Who taught you such nonsense? [article continues here

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#4. To: Artisan (#0)

Asking for ID is one thing. Asking for documentation of citizenship is something different.

THe simple fact is that not everyone has documentation of citizenship. There are, to be sure, birth certificates, but so many people on this website refuse to believe that Obama's birth certificate is authentic. Some people - including the many elderly who retired to Arizona - either never got their birth certificates from the Health Dept or else misplaced them over the decades. Some might have baptismal certificates from when they were newborns -- but can Arizona cops read a Greek Orthodox Church baptismal certificate written in Greek or a Jewish circumcision certificate written in Hebrew?

Hell, we don't trust the cops to tell the proper time when they ticket us for overtime parking - do we really trust them to make the proper assessment of citizenship papers?!

Shoonra  posted on  2010-05-30   10:21:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Shoonra, jethro tull, christine, original_intent, wudidiz, james deffenbach, rotara, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#4)

there is a driver in phoenix stopped last month forced to show his birth certificate. he was born here yet ice arrested him, ice said this is standard op. procedure. and still prior to ab 1070 taking effect. yet more proof the law was not legally needed. he was detained by ice until his wife brought his birth certificate. the reason cops never asked illegals for id is because it was policy handed down from top. NOT because it was disallowed.

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-30   11:22:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#9)

am i under the mistaken idea that the citizens of AZ voted for this new law?

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   11:28:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#10)

yes. the legislature voted/ passed it. it was not a referendum. i hope you understand my point though. people are silly and stupid if they think cops could not ask for id until now. they simply didnt want or choose to.

Artisan  posted on  2010-05-30   11:33:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Artisan (#13)

i do understand your point and that it was not a referendum makes a difference in my mind.

i'd be interested to see the percentage of Arizonians who support the law.

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   11:37:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#17)

There was no public vote however public support is running around 60% once again proof that the majority is always wrong...here's what most are missing with this...because all states have different requirements for getting a drivers license or ID the only solution (which they are working on right now ) is a national bio metric ID card for everyone....those who think this law will do anything to stop the illegal's are dreaming rather it's a case of be careful what you wish for.

robnoel  posted on  2010-05-30   11:58:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: robnoel (#20)

i get it, robby. what i don't get is a solution to the illegal situation. you have to understand the citizens of the states'(especially border states) frustration, anger, helplessness in watching the catastrophic losses they are having to endure because of it.

christine  posted on  2010-05-30   12:39:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: christine (#27)

i get it, robby. what i don't get is a solution to the illegal situation

The solution is easy....enforce current law on the books rather than require everyone to get a National ID card....the mind set on this issue is no different to the Patriot Act when the mis-guided majority supported it.That turned out real well protecting freedoms

Current law in AZ requires all business to verify the status of folks they hire through a EVerify system where name and social security are matched. Got a friend who runs 100 plus Burger Kings ever since this law has been on the books he has never been visited by ICE to check that he has complied

robnoel  posted on  2010-05-31   7:41:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#56. To: robnoel (#48)

The solution is easy....enforce current law on the books rather than require everyone to get a National ID card....

VERY easy solution and a "common sense" request. However, how do you get the Feds to ENFORCE the laws on the books? The Feds are responsible to enforce federal law, yet they continue to issue orders to those they employ to "cease and desist".

The issue of a National I.D. card is on the table merely to confuse the public. As long as the pols can keep us confused and our attention off the role they play in the problem, the longer they can count on the vote of Hispanics.

SO ... we end up at square one again. VOTE ... and vote every sitting politician OUT of office. It takes our elected representatives about 24 hours to understand they have to play the game to stay in office. It takes the elected representatives another 24 hours to forget WHO voted them into office. After that they are in lock step with the puppet masters.

The upcoming election may be the last for the legal citizens of this country to save their republic. If we don't get together as a "team" and remind each and every elected official who it is that originally put them into office, then shame on us.

Oh, by the way, it doesn't matter if there is a "R", "D" or other "party" identification after the name of those on the ballot. There is only ONE party in this country and all answer to the same puppet masters!

Phant2000  posted on  2010-05-31 10:14:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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