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Title: Cops not allowed to request ID? An absurd notion that's never been true
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Published: May 29, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-05-29 17:10:20 by Artisan
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LA County Libertarian Examiner With seemingly never-ending angst and bickering over Arizona's recent immigration law SB 1070, proponents and supporters of the law have used several arguements in defense of it. ''It's 100% Constitutional, it simply mirrors existing federal law'', they insist. They will go on to assure that no 'racial profiling' is involved, that people won't be stopped based on race, and that people can only be asked for ID after they are stopped for legitimate and legal just cause, such as an alleged traffic violation. This brings me to my question which addresses the very crux of the issue. Do supporters of this law believe that police were, until passage of SB 1070, legally and legitimately prohibited from demanding ID from those whom they lawfully detain? If so, that is quite an outrageous and absurd contention. The fact is that police have always been lawfully allowed to request identification after legitimately detaining a suspect. 'But they had to do SOMETHING', they'll reply, 'the feds refuse to halt the hoards of illegals!' While true, that the feds have purposely allowed massive illegal immigration for decades, please stick with the point at hand and simply address the question I am asking. Do you actually believe that cops across the United States have no authority to ask for ID unless each state legislature passes a 'special law' allowing them to do so? If you belive this, why do you believe it? Who taught you such nonsense? [article continues here Related links: Ron Paul "has some reservations" about Arizona SB 1070 Judge Andrew Napolitano speaks against SB 1070 Tom Tancredo to be keynote speaker at Arizona SB 1070 rally Arizona's infamous Russell Pearce shills for traffic cameras, sought to bar photoblocker spray Does race pimp 'Machete' have the cojones to 'send a message' to U.S. Congress? Rep. McClintock gives lip service to sovereignty after endorsing open border globalists for years Obama propagates myth that police 'duty' is to 'keep Americans safe' Criminalizing the natural right to work, gesture, or nod in Arizona Illegal immigration opponent Terry Anderson bars mention of 'new world order garbage' on radio show
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#36. To: Artisan, all, start the racial profiling now (#30)
We have lots of laws on the books, and lots of them are ignored with a wink and a nod. AZ has had enough. It simply can't afford illegals taxing (pardon the pun) the system any longer. The citizens are weary of crime, social services being used by these folk, and the waste, trash and destruction they leave in their wake. So what's new with this law? The Governor is simply giving the local PD's of the various municipalities the green light to question further someone who already violated a law. I TOTALLY support it and would be more than happy to carry my BC to prove my citizenship. Of course that wouldn't be necessary because I'm a white, English speaking only guy, and the illegals are mostly Mexican, non English speakers. I say start the racial profiling in spades. This insanity has to stop.
LOL. good one.
good for AZ. great post. quite an astounding list of stats.
how about the probability that AZ's having this law may just encourage emigration by the illegals already there and also discourage more from coming in.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
And minorities commit (in proportion) an overwhelming amount of crime in America. Time to change that with a sane racial profiling policy. We can't afford illegals any longer. It's the law of economics for me and millions of others.
i agree that uncontrolled & unlimited immigration, legal or illegal, will destroy any country. sadly that is what they've done, by design. on another note, if we're ever in AZ & my wife gets pulled over, she will show her license, but if they ask for her 'papers' they will have a problem. then ill post it on utube 4 fun. :')
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 i think you get stopped far more than she does! ;)
I understand we all differ to some degree on most issues. Your wife is an American citizen, I assume, so a DL would be more than adequate. It has come to this in border states; we either hold them for Americans, or succumb to an open border culture who thinks whites will tremble and open their wallets when the words racial profiling are tossed about. I HAVE NO MORE MONEY TO GIVE. I'm not buying their BS scare tactic, and anyone concerned about keeping the integrity of our borders probable would agree that some inconvenience beats bleeding to death. I don't have a better solution than simply asking people their status, secondary to a lawful investigation.
My opinion is that law enforcement abuses technology (in this case biometrics- data based I.D.) to compensate for their incompetence at the expense of good people's liberty and rights.
"Rebellion is natural when governments become "revolting. YOU only count when it's census time"
Mandatory jail time for anyone caught hiring or employing illegals would go a long way towards reducing the INVASION.
"Rebellion is natural when governments become "revolting. YOU only count when it's census time"
Thank you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The solution is easy....enforce current law on the books rather than require everyone to get a National ID card....the mind set on this issue is no different to the Patriot Act when the mis-guided majority supported it.That turned out real well protecting freedoms Current law in AZ requires all business to verify the status of folks they hire through a EVerify system where name and social security are matched. Got a friend who runs 100 plus Burger Kings ever since this law has been on the books he has never been visited by ICE to check that he has complied
I'm take it you then are in full support of the National ID card?
Stay on the topic of AZ. If a suspected illegal is involved in a police matter, the police should ask h/she for citizenship ID. If it can't be produced, they're gone. Now what is a suspected illegal? Lets begin with non English speaking Hispanics, since they account for the overwhelming majority of these wealth destroyers.
Absolutely, and raze their buildings after the fine. But that illegal who broke into the country has to go. We either have an immigration law or strike it down.
You don't get it do you ...or you just don't read.....ITS ALREADY A LAW ON THE BOOKS THAT THEY DON"T ENFORCE ...thinking some new law is going to solve the problem please get grip....I'll mark you down as a supporter of the National ID Card
As I've said already on this thread, we have lots of laws that are ignored for various reasons. The Governor of AZ, with 1070, has taken the brakes off Federal law that already exists. No problemo in my book.
OK I give up....I'm sure this law will be the magic bullet you think it will be and solve all of Az's illegal problem's with weeks of its enactment ...
it's a step in the right direction. You have very poor understanding of the law. First off you will not need to show papers, so toss out the swill Olbermann, the ACLU, La Raza and the Kenyan have told you. Secondly it's my understanding that Arizona requires proof of citizenship or legal residency to get a drivers license as does California and many other states. So a valid state DL will be sufficient for ID should an illegal, lets say, runs into the back of your Ford Pinto. So Robby my boy, remove those panties of yours from your butt crack and enjoy the ambiance that AZ has to offer.
VERY easy solution and a "common sense" request. However, how do you get the Feds to ENFORCE the laws on the books? The Feds are responsible to enforce federal law, yet they continue to issue orders to those they employ to "cease and desist". The issue of a National I.D. card is on the table merely to confuse the public. As long as the pols can keep us confused and our attention off the role they play in the problem, the longer they can count on the vote of Hispanics. SO ... we end up at square one again. VOTE ... and vote every sitting politician OUT of office. It takes our elected representatives about 24 hours to understand they have to play the game to stay in office. It takes the elected representatives another 24 hours to forget WHO voted them into office. After that they are in lock step with the puppet masters. The upcoming election may be the last for the legal citizens of this country to save their republic. If we don't get together as a "team" and remind each and every elected official who it is that originally put them into office, then shame on us. Oh, by the way, it doesn't matter if there is a "R", "D" or other "party" identification after the name of those on the ballot. There is only ONE party in this country and all answer to the same puppet masters!
Sen. Schumer’s Immigration Reform Is a National ID Posted by Jim Harper So reports the Wall Street Journal: Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain. It’s the natural evolution of the policy called “internal enforcement” of immigration law, as I wrote in my paper, “Franz Kafka’s Solution to Illegal Immigration.” Once in place, watch for this national ID to regulate access to financial services, housing, medical care and prescriptions—and, of course, serve as an internal passport.
Stop wandering around the issue like a Jew lost in a desert. As I said above,
a legally obtained DL will satisfy 1070. Golly, what a tough law. Not.
You better check your facts on what's required for getting a Az or Cal DL
if even the conversation about this new law causes some of the illegals who are already in AZ to go back to Mexico and/or discourages others from entering, that's a positive in my book. if the feds plan is a National ID card, that's going to happen regardless of AZ's 1070.
Enjoy!
I give up with you and Jethro maybe one day and you will both understand how you lost your freedoms for the sake of a little more government protection ....wish you both all the best my mission is done here
ok, robby. think what you like. i give up with you as you've totally missed my points on this thread. i know when and how we lost our freedoms. 1913. i could go on and on, but it's futile.
p.s. John concurs with me and Jethro on this states' rights issue. he's going to talk about it on his show today. you might want to listen. ;)
Christine as you know I don't agree with John on a lot of things the 10 th Amendment has long since been done away with thanks to the creation of the EPA it is not relevant any more to any debate ,STATES HAVE NO RIGHTS the 10th Amendment is dead, just like the 4th Amendment or have you forgotten that as well states can pass all the legislation they want it does not trump the federal.because all DC has to do is with hold funds and the states fold like a cheap suit that being said you guys are playing into hands of supporting a National ID Card in the mis-guided hope it's going solve the problem....good luck and good bye
don't know if you'll see this or not, but regarding the National ID card...for all intents and purposes we have it, don't we? isn't that what a DL essentially is now? i don't know how long ago you renewed your DL, but when i last renewed mine, i had to ink my thumb print as well as provide my SS#. in Texas, auto insurance is mandatory and if stopped we're required to show proof of that as well.
Hey robocop... If the law to prevent employers from hiring illegals isn't working then why is the idiot in Washington working to overturn it?
I hope you're better at selling gold than you are at the art of debate and remaining fixed in a nation that gave you a second chance at a dream.
I have great respect for what America taught me apparently you did not ... I wish you well brother ... good bye
My DL in Az is good till 2017 I renewed it in 2004 ....case closed
No fingerprint required in Ohio, SSN can be declared off limits to the government license agency (you can refuse) and you have a lot of time 48 hours I think to show proof of insurance here. We also have in the last 1.5 years, I just found out, liberalized our gun laws to be in accordance with Arizona. Full open carry, no license, no cop can bear down on you for having a loaded gun on your hip in public "just because", and the open carry ruling means all places, not just certain towns. ORC 9.68(c)1. We're getting jiggy here. Now if we could just flush all of the statists out of the system we'd be golden! :)
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Robby....has anyone ever told you that you have a "cut and run" problem?
I will supply a pic if you are not convinced
Shove it where the sun don't shine
a pic of what?
My Az DL
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latestjt they already were allowed to demand ID. You know that, so what specifically did this law allow that was not already allowed? that is why i call BS on this whole thing.
#37. To: James Deffenbach (#34)
The sob's need to get busy stopping Obama and demanding to see his (real) birth certificate.
#38. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#35)
Arizona’s turning point came last November when it became the first state since California in 1994 to adopt a ballot initiative, Proposition 200, that barred social services to illegal immigrants.
#39. To: Jethro Tull, Arisan, bush_is_a_moonie, robnoel, noone222, all (#36)
#40. To: bush_is_a_moonie, All (#35)
#41. To: Eric Stratton (#40)
#42. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#41)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#43. To: Artisan (#42)
#44. To: Artisan (#42)
#45. To: christine (#39)
#46. To: Jethro Tull (#44)
I don't have a better solution than simply asking people their status, secondary to a lawful investigation.
#47. To: christine (#37)
LOL. good one.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#48. To: christine (#27)
i get it, robby. what i don't get is a solution to the illegal situation
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
#50. To: robnoel (#49)
#51. To: noone222 (#46)
Mandatory jail time for anyone caught hiring or employing illegals would go a long way towards reducing the INVASION.
#52. To: Jethro Tull (#51)
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Mandatory jail time for anyone caught hiring or employing illegals would go a long way towards reducing the INVASION.
#53. To: robnoel (#52)
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#54. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
#55. To: robnoel (#54)
#56. To: robnoel (#48)
The solution is easy....enforce current law on the books rather than require everyone to get a National ID card....
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#55)
#58. To: robnoel (#57)
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#58)
#60. To: robnoel (#52)
#61. To: robnoel (#59)
mvd.azdot.gov/mvd/formsan...=1410&lngFormInfoKey=1410
#62. To: christine (#60)
#63. To: robnoel (#62)
you will both understand how you lost your freedoms for the sake of a little more government protection
#64. To: robnoel (#62)
#65. To: christine (#64)
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#66. To: robnoel (#65)
#67. To: robnoel (#65)
#68. To: robnoel (#65)
good luck and good bye
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
#70. To: christine (#66)
#71. To: christine (#66)
don't know if you'll see this or not, but regarding the National ID card...for all intents and purposes we have it, don't we? isn't that what a DL essentially is now? i don't know how long ago you renewed your DL, but when i last renewed mine, i had to ink my thumb print as well as provide my SS#. in Texas, auto insurance is mandatory and if stopped we're required to show proof of that as well.
#72. To: robnoel (#69)
I have great respect for what America taught me apparently you did not ... I wish you well brother ... good bye
#73. To: All (#70)
#74. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
#75. To: robnoel (#73)
#76. To: christine (#75)
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