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Title: Cops not allowed to request ID? An absurd notion that's never been true
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x- ... -notion-thats-never-been-true#
Published: May 29, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-05-29 17:10:20 by Artisan
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Views: 1387
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LA County Libertarian Examiner With seemingly never-ending angst and bickering over Arizona's recent immigration law SB 1070, proponents and supporters of the law have used several arguements in defense of it. ''It's 100% Constitutional, it simply mirrors existing federal law'', they insist. They will go on to assure that no 'racial profiling' is involved, that people won't be stopped based on race, and that people can only be asked for ID after they are stopped for legitimate and legal just cause, such as an alleged traffic violation. This brings me to my question which addresses the very crux of the issue. Do supporters of this law believe that police were, until passage of SB 1070, legally and legitimately prohibited from demanding ID from those whom they lawfully detain? If so, that is quite an outrageous and absurd contention. The fact is that police have always been lawfully allowed to request identification after legitimately detaining a suspect. 'But they had to do SOMETHING', they'll reply, 'the feds refuse to halt the hoards of illegals!' While true, that the feds have purposely allowed massive illegal immigration for decades, please stick with the point at hand and simply address the question I am asking. Do you actually believe that cops across the United States have no authority to ask for ID unless each state legislature passes a 'special law' allowing them to do so? If you belive this, why do you believe it? Who taught you such nonsense? [article continues here Related links: Ron Paul "has some reservations" about Arizona SB 1070 Judge Andrew Napolitano speaks against SB 1070 Tom Tancredo to be keynote speaker at Arizona SB 1070 rally Arizona's infamous Russell Pearce shills for traffic cameras, sought to bar photoblocker spray Does race pimp 'Machete' have the cojones to 'send a message' to U.S. Congress? Rep. McClintock gives lip service to sovereignty after endorsing open border globalists for years Obama propagates myth that police 'duty' is to 'keep Americans safe' Criminalizing the natural right to work, gesture, or nod in Arizona Illegal immigration opponent Terry Anderson bars mention of 'new world order garbage' on radio show
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#65. To: christine (#64)
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Christine as you know I don't agree with John on a lot of things the 10 th Amendment has long since been done away with thanks to the creation of the EPA it is not relevant any more to any debate ,STATES HAVE NO RIGHTS the 10th Amendment is dead, just like the 4th Amendment or have you forgotten that as well states can pass all the legislation they want it does not trump the federal.because all DC has to do is with hold funds and the states fold like a cheap suit that being said you guys are playing into hands of supporting a National ID Card in the mis-guided hope it's going solve the problem....good luck and good bye
don't know if you'll see this or not, but regarding the National ID card...for all intents and purposes we have it, don't we? isn't that what a DL essentially is now? i don't know how long ago you renewed your DL, but when i last renewed mine, i had to ink my thumb print as well as provide my SS#. in Texas, auto insurance is mandatory and if stopped we're required to show proof of that as well.
Hey robocop... If the law to prevent employers from hiring illegals isn't working then why is the idiot in Washington working to overturn it?
I hope you're better at selling gold than you are at the art of debate and remaining fixed in a nation that gave you a second chance at a dream.
I have great respect for what America taught me apparently you did not ... I wish you well brother ... good bye
My DL in Az is good till 2017 I renewed it in 2004 ....case closed
No fingerprint required in Ohio, SSN can be declared off limits to the government license agency (you can refuse) and you have a lot of time 48 hours I think to show proof of insurance here. We also have in the last 1.5 years, I just found out, liberalized our gun laws to be in accordance with Arizona. Full open carry, no license, no cop can bear down on you for having a loaded gun on your hip in public "just because", and the open carry ruling means all places, not just certain towns. ORC 9.68(c)1. We're getting jiggy here. Now if we could just flush all of the statists out of the system we'd be golden! :)
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Robby....has anyone ever told you that you have a "cut and run" problem?
I will supply a pic if you are not convinced
Shove it where the sun don't shine
a pic of what?
My Az DL
He would but you have to get your fat head out of your ass first.
Please you are the last person you knows anything about anything
Spoken like an angry man, separated by the safety of the 'net.
Bring it on brother ...I'm ready to take on all you fake conservatives who know diddley about your own country
I know from your posts that you belong over on the Freeper's site or on LP.
You are so lame its not worth reponding
Now you're sounding dopey. I hope it's the holiday spirits talking and not a slow slip into senility. When have I ever claimed to be a conservative?
OK hows this you are delusional
If opposing the Invasion of illegal aliens is delusional I plead guilty.
Translation: I don't want to get into a battle of witts with you because I am unarmed. Do us a favor and adjust your wig - the scars from your double lobotomy are terrifying some of the Scottsdale snobs
When you get a IQ call me
Jetro - you have to understand... Robocop works for a foreign company out of Great Britain and he wants as many illegals here as he can get. He wants to teach them how to fly - high....as in smokem' if you gottem'
Your leader speaks.
Momma taught you how to use the phone after all these years... so good... you're learning now!
What is is it you don't get or is its your xenophobic feelings that are blinding you from the real world
Your post kicked off my inner Chapin. ****** You see, she was gonna be an actress You are so dumb you make rocks in my yard seem smart ...where did you get your education...Jethro or public education
The smoker you drink, the player you get! Remind robocop to have a Goodyear...he'll know what you mean.
Now don't get angry. And by the way, if you happen to pass away before I do would you make sure I get an invitation to your funeral? I would like to pay my respects... but please understand that if it is during the week I won't be able to attend... I do have a job and you know me.... business before pleasure.
I was waiting for the leftist code words, and here they are. Now I know where you're coming from. It's the same place that Sharpton, Jackson & La Raza come from. Have another shot, Robby. I enjoy watching you peel your mask off. PS: I dare you to use the above phrase on your show. Listeners will catch on real quickly as to who you really are.
How does the US (or individual states, thereof) support its own borders while there is an obvious invasion taking place in real time without ample ID? there is a REASON to support sovereign borders you know.... and one is to ensure that those seeking state benefits are eligible; and another that those traveling here are qualified. It is time to close the borders particularly since America no longer is a cash cow for jobs; one method is to ensure ample ID.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
i listened to your Memorial Day tribute show broadcasted Friday earlier which was very good and, my goodness, you seem like a totally different man than you do here. i have to say, i'm perplexed. xenophobia? why is it you don't understand our issue is illegal vs legal? this has nothing to do with ethnicity!
good points, buck.
Honey it's all about freedom nothing more ...some just don't get it I see it different from most Americans I've been there and done that you guys are dealing with a learning curve I dealt with a decade ago...I can't blame you for being behind the curve....that being said does not take away from my love for you and all you do
The US Constitution does not create a method of ID. It should have been considered but at the time there were more salient points to make. And I want an official method of ID required so that when I stand in line at the voting booth behind Juan and Juanita (his wife) and Hector (his brother-in-law) and ten thousand other folks at the voting booth that have no right to be here .... to cast my vote knowing it is worth something. The pollution of illegal aliens has dirtied government. The only way to address the issue is to ensure that anyone with a right to vote, they present a ID and then pass a written test (with a qualifying score) attesting to their capability to vote.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It's called a drivers license. Unfortunately some states will issue them to almost anybody. I heard California issued one for some guy named Osama Bin Laden... and then cancelled after a couple of weeks.
Who is paying for it? Infrastructure, healthcare, education, suppressed wages in the work force, WIC, food stamps--WHO PAYS? Freedom for WHOM? On one side you have the TAX SLAVES who are expected to shoulder all of these costs while the immigrants work and send their paychecks south of the border. Your notion of "freedom" sure isn't free while you pretend to have some superior learning curve over the lot of us. My great grandparents immigrated to the US LEGALLY and they got citizenship here and they didn't expect the taxpayers to take care of them, nor did they whine about having to show proper documentation when asked.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
That is because the quality of government scrutinizing required credentials for the document(s) is not overseen by quality personnel. They just rubber-stamp the applications similar to the 19 terrorists that created 9/11. All of them were here illegally with faked and forged paperwork. Government on all levels in the US sucks because the quality of personnel don't know what they are doing or they are mind-numbed robots.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Would that be the same freedom ran from in S. Africa? And you have the cajones to tell Americans what is best for us? Ready those bags Robby. When the SHTF men will be needed, not fair weather friends.
#66. To: robnoel (#65)
#67. To: robnoel (#65)
#68. To: robnoel (#65)
good luck and good bye
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
#70. To: christine (#66)
#71. To: christine (#66)
don't know if you'll see this or not, but regarding the National ID card...for all intents and purposes we have it, don't we? isn't that what a DL essentially is now? i don't know how long ago you renewed your DL, but when i last renewed mine, i had to ink my thumb print as well as provide my SS#. in Texas, auto insurance is mandatory and if stopped we're required to show proof of that as well.
#72. To: robnoel (#69)
I have great respect for what America taught me apparently you did not ... I wish you well brother ... good bye
#73. To: All (#70)
#74. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
#75. To: robnoel (#73)
#76. To: christine (#75)
#77. To: robnoel (#74)
#78. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#77)
#79. To: robnoel (#74)
Shove it where the sun don't shine
#80. To: Jethro Tull (#79)
#81. To: robnoel (#78)
#82. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#81)
#83. To: robnoel (#80)
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Bring it on brother ...I'm ready to take on all you fake conservatives who know diddley about your own country
#84. To: Jethro Tull (#83)
#85. To: robnoel (#84)
OK hows this you are delusional
#86. To: robnoel (#82)
You are so lame its not worth reponding
#87. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#86)
#88. To: Jethro Tull (#85)
#89. To: robnoel (#87)
#90. To: robnoel (#87)
#91. To: Jethro Tull (#85)
#92. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#88)
Robocop works for a foreign company out of Great Britain and he wants as many illegals here as he can get. He wants to teach them how to fly - high....as in smokem' if you gottem'
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And I was gonna learn to fly.
She took off to find the footlights,
And I took off for the sky.
And here, she's acting happy,
Inside her handsome home.
And me, I'm flying in my taxi,
Taking tips, and getting stoned,
I go flying so high, when I'm stoned.
#93. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#90)
#94. To: Jethro Tull (#92)
#95. To: robnoel (#93)
#96. To: robnoel (#91)
your xenophobic feelings
#97. To: robnoel (#91)
#98. To: robnoel (#91)
#99. To: buckeroo (#97)
#100. To: christine (#98)
#101. To: christine (#99)
#102. To: buckeroo (#101)
#103. To: robnoel (#100)
it's all about freedom nothing more
#104. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#102)
California issued one for some guy named Osama Bin Laden
#105. To: robnoel (#100)
it's all about freedom nothing more
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