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Title: Cops not allowed to request ID? An absurd notion that's never been true
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Published: May 29, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-05-29 17:10:20 by Artisan
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LA County Libertarian Examiner With seemingly never-ending angst and bickering over Arizona's recent immigration law SB 1070, proponents and supporters of the law have used several arguements in defense of it. ''It's 100% Constitutional, it simply mirrors existing federal law'', they insist. They will go on to assure that no 'racial profiling' is involved, that people won't be stopped based on race, and that people can only be asked for ID after they are stopped for legitimate and legal just cause, such as an alleged traffic violation. This brings me to my question which addresses the very crux of the issue. Do supporters of this law believe that police were, until passage of SB 1070, legally and legitimately prohibited from demanding ID from those whom they lawfully detain? If so, that is quite an outrageous and absurd contention. The fact is that police have always been lawfully allowed to request identification after legitimately detaining a suspect. 'But they had to do SOMETHING', they'll reply, 'the feds refuse to halt the hoards of illegals!' While true, that the feds have purposely allowed massive illegal immigration for decades, please stick with the point at hand and simply address the question I am asking. Do you actually believe that cops across the United States have no authority to ask for ID unless each state legislature passes a 'special law' allowing them to do so? If you belive this, why do you believe it? Who taught you such nonsense? [article continues here Related links: Ron Paul "has some reservations" about Arizona SB 1070 Judge Andrew Napolitano speaks against SB 1070 Tom Tancredo to be keynote speaker at Arizona SB 1070 rally Arizona's infamous Russell Pearce shills for traffic cameras, sought to bar photoblocker spray Does race pimp 'Machete' have the cojones to 'send a message' to U.S. Congress? Rep. McClintock gives lip service to sovereignty after endorsing open border globalists for years Obama propagates myth that police 'duty' is to 'keep Americans safe' Criminalizing the natural right to work, gesture, or nod in Arizona Illegal immigration opponent Terry Anderson bars mention of 'new world order garbage' on radio show
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#14. To: Cynicom (#12)
Yep. That's why we were given two eyes, and two ears, and one mouth.
I recall in years past undergoing numerous border checks, several countries, but was never asked for my papers anywhere. Of course that was in a more civilized world of long ago.
You related to my Father?????? Damn...
i do understand your point and that it was not a referendum makes a difference in my mind. i'd be interested to see the percentage of Arizonians who support the law.
the case of the american born phoenix man detained last month proves beyond any doubt that govt already had authority which purportedly was only magically granted by 1070. (which incedentally still has yet to take effect). i have no doubt that arizonans support this law. people always naively think papa guv will 'save them' from the (orchestrated) problem. this 1070 schtick is all nothing but a big theater, imo.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 There was no public vote however public support is running around 60% once again proof that the majority is always wrong...here's what most are missing with this...because all states have different requirements for getting a drivers license or ID the only solution (which they are working on right now ) is a national bio metric ID card for everyone....those who think this law will do anything to stop the illegal's are dreaming rather it's a case of be careful what you wish for.
i dont mind border checks, what i resent is warrantless suspicionless checkpoints 100 miles from any border, within the usa. you may have seen checkpointUSA.ORG highly recommended and hilarious site.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I went thru one seatbelt check, I was so furious I had all I could do keep from exploding. The seatbelt check was just a "legal" ruse used to stop everyone and check for a multitude of sins. Four police...One leaned into the car...to check my seatbelt and to see if he could smell alcohol, one shined his light into the backseat for a long gaze, there was no one back there, another checked my license plate and one in front checked inspection sticker etc. Four of them all being paid by me.
great points rob. also, have you read earnest hancocks alerts regarding 1070? also, check out sheriff arpaios comments about if someone looks mexican. ive researched his record and posted it yrs ago. i do not like him, he is a thug tryant. original of this article the words racial profiling links to a great arpaio expose.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Keep this in mind regarding the absurd BS known as racial profiling. When a crime is committed, and a description of the suspect broadcast, racial profiling is the ONLY WAY to apprehend said suspect. It really makes no sense stopping a 6'0" white guy, when a 6'0" Hispanic is wanted in connection to the crime.
of course. i think the reference in this case involves stopping people to hassle them with no valid cause, such as arpaios 'if they look mexican' or 'if their language is different' comments he recently made on local radio and also glen becks program.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 thanks for the references. i have also studied the cases outlined at papersplease.org which deal with cops demanding id when their is no valid purpose. in the case of sb 1070 however, proponents keep insisting that EVEN WITH VALID CAUSE, cops were prevented from demanding id until the passage of magic 1070. unadulterated bs nonsense. government is not going to help arizonans or stop illegals. once they realize this they will see a clearer picture.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 i get it, robby. what i don't get is a solution to the illegal situation. you have to understand the citizens of the states'(especially border states) frustration, anger, helplessness in watching the catastrophic losses they are having to endure because of it.
Oh, I wish for it. Think of this as a first step in the right direction. It really isn't that hard to ID an illegal, and if a mistake is made and some poor soul is required to ID themselves, chalk it up for the greater good. This nation can no longer absorb the economic drain that comes with illegal immigration.
Some say that since the "Patriot Act" things have changed ... I don't even have any I.D. ... good thing I know who I am.
"Rebellion is natural when governments become "revolting."
jt they already were allowed to demand ID. You know that, so what specifically did this law allow that was not already allowed? that is why i call BS on this whole thing.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Christine: This bill was passed by the state legislators of Arizona who, I might add, paid close attention to the sheeple's wishes. At the time the law was passed, several polls showed approval of the public at 70%. If you read this bill (which I have), you aren't trying to bullshit someone into accepting YOUR point of view, you have paid attention to, or are aware of, just the crime that has come to Arizona with the illegal traffic, and you have personally witnessed the lack of action by the Border Patrol over the past 12 years, then you know full well what created the necessity of Bill 1070. That Bill actually makes it harder to ask someone for identification than the Federal law, yet gives authority to local law enforcement to alleviate a problem not being addressed by the Feds. Be aware that, during and since Gore ran for president, BOTH parties have been aware of the HUGE voting bloc the Hispanics represent. First the Dems (1987 and 1988) capitalized on the Hispanic vote and, when George W. Bush was campaigning, the Reps (1999 and 2000) played to that group of voters. During all that time and until today, our Border Patrol agents have had their ability to enforce Federal law minimalized. I have had discussions over the phone, at lunch and in elevators with agents who have announced, "Today is an off day". That means they will NOT be covering illegal traffic, but will keep themselves busy on that particular day with some insignificant duty that keeps them away from the area of such traffic. Simply put: Having local law enforcement enforce Federal laws will have even a greater negative impact on the voting of Hispanics. It is easy for ME to see that the plan is to negate that impact by turning out whomever they can find to protest such action. Given the close relationship of buckwheat to the unions, where do you think the protestors come from? They are bussed in and paid a nominal ($10 each) fee. They are told if they don't show up and protest, all the benefits they have gained through union membership will be lost forever. Because most who appear ARE Hispanics, they have little or no knowledge or experience with our language, our culture, our laws and the dishonesty of union hierarchy.
A political view of your statement, is enlightening, in that the two "distinct" parties DO try to maintain a 50/50 balance, therefore sharing the beaners is a natural political move by the establishment. If all beaners voted dem, there would be an imbalance and the voters just might get wise, so they take a bag of beaners for the pubs, one for the dems and we move merrily along.
And rightly so. Have you ever heard of anyone besides Obama spending upwards of 2 million dollars to keep his actual birth certificate hiddden? That pos he, or his flunkies, put on the internet is not a long form birth certificate and doesn't prove anything. Anyone could get one of those from Hawaii, even people born in Indonesia or Japan (and apparently Kenya).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The sob's need to get busy stopping Obama and demanding to see his (real) birth certificate. He hasn't shown it to anyone yet, at least not to any actual Americans.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. By far the majority of us who live in AZ support this law. We are tired of the rampant violent crime much of which is caused by illegals. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, which like Stateline.org is funded by The Pew Charitable Trusts, the number of illegal immigrants in Arizona has more than quadrupled since 1996 -- from 115,000 then to about 500,000 now. By comparison, the number of illegal immigrants in the United States roughly doubled, jumping from about 5 million in 1996 to about 11 million today. The upsurge of illegal immigrants in Arizona -- on top of an economic boom that caused the state’s population to increase more than 12 percent to almost 6 million since 2000 -- is severely straining prisons, schools, hospitals and law enforcement. Some experts believe the conflict offers a glimpse into the future of American politics. Politicians in at least 11 states are pushing ballot initiative proposals similar to Arizona's ban on state services, and anti-illegal immigration measures increasingly are dividing statehouses from North Carolina to California. Arizona’s turning point came last November when it became the first state since California in 1994 to adopt a ballot initiative, Proposition 200, that barred social services to illegal immigrants. The measure, which passed with 55.6 percent of the vote despite opposition from both Democratic and Republican leaders, also makes it a crime for public employees to fail to report undocumented immigrants seeking benefits, and requires proof of citizenship to register to vote. "(Illegal immigrants) can't come to America and get free stuff. It's just wrong. You've got to take their benefits away,” said Rep. Russell Pearce (R), who led the Prop 200 drive. Unlike California’s initiative, Arizona's Prop 200 has held up in court. In early August, a federal appeals court rejected a lawsuit aimed at overturning it. Further legal action is expected. www.stateline.org/live/Vi...guageId=1&contentId=51473 The escalation in alien crime has placed added demands on state and local law enforcement personnel. Effective identification of aliens involved in crime requires familiarity with fraudulent documentation. Proper arrest procedures must be carried out, and complex notification and reporting requirements must be satisfied; otherwise, dangerous aliens can escape prosecution and deportation. Handling the myriad problems associated with alien crimes is often beyond the capabilities of local police departments. Some illegal aliens in the United States have been arrested and incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails, adding to already overcrowded prisons and jails. On April 7, 2007, the U.S. Justice Department issued a report on criminal aliens that were incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails. In the population study of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than one arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between two and five arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between six and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990. They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than one offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between two and 10 offenses. Criminal History More than two-thirds of the defendants charged with an immigration offense were identified as having been previously arrested. Thirty-six percent had been arrested on at least five prior occasions; 22 percent two to four times; and 12 percent one time. Sixty-one percent of those defendants had been convicted at least once; 18 percent, five or more times; 26 percent two to four times; and 17 percent one time. Of those charged, 49 percent had previously been convicted of a felony: 20 percent of a drug offense; 18 percent a violent offense; and 11 percent other felony offenses. Fifty-six percent of those charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted of a violent or drug-related felony. www.familysecuritymatters...ns/id.6127/pub_detail.asp Many of the violent crimes being committed by illegal aliens are sexual crimes Researcher Deborah Schurman-Kauflin Ph.D. of the Violent Crimes Institute, reports on the analysis of 1,500 violent crimes from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal aliens. The data is found in her report, The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants in the United States, which notes that, based on a figure of 12 million illegal immigrants and the fact that more of this population is male than average, sex offenders among illegal aliens are a higher percentage than sex offenders in the general population. The study breaks down the 1,500 cases reviewed this way: * 525, or 35 %, were child molestations * 358, or 24 %, were rapes * 617, or 41 %, were sexual homicides and serial murders Of the child molestations, 47% of the victims were Hispanic, 36% Caucasian, 8% Asian, 6% African American and 3% other nationalities. In 82% of the cases the victims were known to their attackers. "In those instances, the illegal immigrants typically gained access to the victims after having worked as a day laborer at or near the victims' homes," she says. "Victims ranged in age from 1 year old to 13 years old, with the average age being 6." In her examination of the sex-related homicides, Schurman-Kauflin noted: "The murders were the worst of the sex crimes and were especially vicious. The most common method was for an offender to break into a residence and ambush his victims. Not only were victims raped, but some (6%) were mutilated. The crime scenes were very bloody, expressing intense, angry perpetrator personalities. Specifically, most victims were blitzed, rendered incapable of fighting back, and then raped and murdered. The most common method of killing was bludgeoning, followed by stabbing. Caucasians were more likely to become victims of sexual homicide committed by illegal immigrants. Hispanics were second, and African Americans were third." Schurman-Kauflin states that the illegal alien population includes 240,000 sex offenders – a "conservative estimate," she says. She goes on to say, "This translates to 93 sex offenders and 12 serial sexual offenders coming across U.S. borders illegally per day." She points out the 1,500 offenders in her study had a total of 5,999 victims, an average of four victims for each sex offender and says, "This places the estimate for victimization numbers around 960,000 for the 88 months examined in this study." Annualizing the results, that is 130,909 sex crimes committed annually by illegal aliens – crimes that never would have happened if they weren't here. This is part of the collateral damage of tolerating illegal immigration. The affects of sexual crimes are far greater than just the crime itself. As noted in Victim costs of violent crime and resulting injuries: "For example, an estimated 10 percent of rape victims suffer from severely disabling psychological injury, and 40 percent suffer from emotional distress severe enough to require mental health treatment beyond initial counseling." Schurman-Kauflin concludes that illegal alien criminals "gradually commit worse crimes and are continually released back into society or deported. Those who were deported simply returned illegally again," she says. For another glimpse into the soul of these perverts see the report Homicidal Sex Offenders: Psychological, Phallometric and Diagnostic Features published in the Journal of American Academy Psychiatry and Law. Also see the report from New Zealand, Storm Warning – Statistical Models for Predicting Violence, for more information on the type of people we are simply allowing to stroll into our country to prey on American women and children. The Schurman-Kauflin study noted that "Nearly 63% of the offenders had been deported on another offense prior to the sex crime." Note the word "deported," something that often comes up when we are talking about the crimes committed by illegal aliens. That means they were once removed from the country but came back in again to commit the crime! In this case, lack of any serious border security allowed the additional crime to happen – an additional 82,473 sex crimes – per year! Is having 130,909 sex crimes committed against women and children per year acceptable collateral damage to tolerate illegal immigration and save ten cents on a head of lettuce? When 63% sexual crimes are a result of basically having little to no border security, are 82,473 victims per year acceptable collateral damage for the savings of not having proper border security? If so, can you tell that to the victims and their families? 2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants CRIME STATISTICS: 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens. 86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens. 75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens. 24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally 40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally 48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally 29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually 53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens. 50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border. 71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes". 47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens. 63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens 66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens. BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens. 97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers. 66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
We have lots of laws on the books, and lots of them are ignored with a wink and a nod. AZ has had enough. It simply can't afford illegals taxing (pardon the pun) the system any longer. The citizens are weary of crime, social services being used by these folk, and the waste, trash and destruction they leave in their wake. So what's new with this law? The Governor is simply giving the local PD's of the various municipalities the green light to question further someone who already violated a law. I TOTALLY support it and would be more than happy to carry my BC to prove my citizenship. Of course that wouldn't be necessary because I'm a white, English speaking only guy, and the illegals are mostly Mexican, non English speakers. I say start the racial profiling in spades. This insanity has to stop.
LOL. good one.
good for AZ. great post. quite an astounding list of stats.
how about the probability that AZ's having this law may just encourage emigration by the illegals already there and also discourage more from coming in.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
And minorities commit (in proportion) an overwhelming amount of crime in America. Time to change that with a sane racial profiling policy. We can't afford illegals any longer. It's the law of economics for me and millions of others.
i agree that uncontrolled & unlimited immigration, legal or illegal, will destroy any country. sadly that is what they've done, by design. on another note, if we're ever in AZ & my wife gets pulled over, she will show her license, but if they ask for her 'papers' they will have a problem. then ill post it on utube 4 fun. :')
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 i think you get stopped far more than she does! ;)
I understand we all differ to some degree on most issues. Your wife is an American citizen, I assume, so a DL would be more than adequate. It has come to this in border states; we either hold them for Americans, or succumb to an open border culture who thinks whites will tremble and open their wallets when the words racial profiling are tossed about. I HAVE NO MORE MONEY TO GIVE. I'm not buying their BS scare tactic, and anyone concerned about keeping the integrity of our borders probable would agree that some inconvenience beats bleeding to death. I don't have a better solution than simply asking people their status, secondary to a lawful investigation.
My opinion is that law enforcement abuses technology (in this case biometrics- data based I.D.) to compensate for their incompetence at the expense of good people's liberty and rights.
"Rebellion is natural when governments become "revolting. YOU only count when it's census time"
Mandatory jail time for anyone caught hiring or employing illegals would go a long way towards reducing the INVASION.
"Rebellion is natural when governments become "revolting. YOU only count when it's census time"
Thank you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The solution is easy....enforce current law on the books rather than require everyone to get a National ID card....the mind set on this issue is no different to the Patriot Act when the mis-guided majority supported it.That turned out real well protecting freedoms Current law in AZ requires all business to verify the status of folks they hire through a EVerify system where name and social security are matched. Got a friend who runs 100 plus Burger Kings ever since this law has been on the books he has never been visited by ICE to check that he has complied
I'm take it you then are in full support of the National ID card?
Stay on the topic of AZ. If a suspected illegal is involved in a police matter, the police should ask h/she for citizenship ID. If it can't be produced, they're gone. Now what is a suspected illegal? Lets begin with non English speaking Hispanics, since they account for the overwhelming majority of these wealth destroyers.
Absolutely, and raze their buildings after the fine. But that illegal who broke into the country has to go. We either have an immigration law or strike it down.
You don't get it do you ...or you just don't read.....ITS ALREADY A LAW ON THE BOOKS THAT THEY DON"T ENFORCE ...thinking some new law is going to solve the problem please get grip....I'll mark you down as a supporter of the National ID Card
As I've said already on this thread, we have lots of laws that are ignored for various reasons. The Governor of AZ, with 1070, has taken the brakes off Federal law that already exists. No problemo in my book.
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#15. To: Artisan (#11)
#16. To: Lod (#14)
That's why we were given two eyes, and two ears, and one mouth.
#17. To: Artisan (#13)
#18. To: Shoonra (#4)
Hell, we don't trust the cops to tell the proper time when they ticket us for overtime parking - do we really trust them to make the proper assessment of citizenship papers?!
#19. To: christine (#17)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#20. To: christine (#17)
#21. To: Cynicom (#15)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#22. To: Artisan (#21)
#23. To: robnoel (#20)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#24. To: All (#23)
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original of this article the words racial profiling links to a great arpaio expose.
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#26. To: noone222 (#2)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#27. To: robnoel (#20)
#28. To: robnoel (#20)
....those who think this law will do anything to stop the illegal's are dreaming rather it's a case of be careful what you wish for.
#29. To: Artisan (#26)
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#31. To: christine (#27)
... understand the citizens of the states'(especially border states) frustration, anger, helplessness in watching the catastrophic losses they are having to endure ...
#32. To: Phant2000 (#31)
First the Dems (1987 and 1988) capitalized on the Hispanic vote and, when George W. Bush was campaigning, the Reps (1999 and 2000) played to that group of voters.
#33. To: Shoonra (#4)
so many people on this website refuse to believe that Obama's birth certificate is authentic.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#34. To: Artisan (#9)
there is a driver in phoenix stopped last month forced to show his birth certificate. he was born here yet ice arrested him, ice said this is standard op. procedure.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#35. To: Artisan (#0)
#36. To: Artisan, all, start the racial profiling now (#30)
jt they already were allowed to demand ID. You know that, so what specifically did this law allow that was not already allowed? that is why i call BS on this whole thing.
#37. To: James Deffenbach (#34)
The sob's need to get busy stopping Obama and demanding to see his (real) birth certificate.
#38. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#35)
Arizona’s turning point came last November when it became the first state since California in 1994 to adopt a ballot initiative, Proposition 200, that barred social services to illegal immigrants.
#39. To: Jethro Tull, Arisan, bush_is_a_moonie, robnoel, noone222, all (#36)
#40. To: bush_is_a_moonie, All (#35)
#41. To: Eric Stratton (#40)
#42. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#41)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#43. To: Artisan (#42)
#44. To: Artisan (#42)
#45. To: christine (#39)
#46. To: Jethro Tull (#44)
I don't have a better solution than simply asking people their status, secondary to a lawful investigation.
#47. To: christine (#37)
LOL. good one.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#48. To: christine (#27)
i get it, robby. what i don't get is a solution to the illegal situation
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
#50. To: robnoel (#49)
#51. To: noone222 (#46)
Mandatory jail time for anyone caught hiring or employing illegals would go a long way towards reducing the INVASION.
#52. To: Jethro Tull (#51)
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Mandatory jail time for anyone caught hiring or employing illegals would go a long way towards reducing the INVASION.
#53. To: robnoel (#52)
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