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Title: Estimates OK for speeding tickets, court rules
Source: Daytin Daily News
URL Source: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news ... ickets-court-rules-741192.html
Published: Jun 3, 2010
Author: Associated Press / Associated Propaganda
Post Date: 2010-06-03 04:27:13 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 198
Comments: 18

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Ohio's highest court has ruled that a person may be convicted of speeding purely if it looked to a police officer that the motorist was going too fast.

The Ohio Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that an officer's visual estimation of speed is enough to support a conviction if the officer is trained, certified by a training academy, and experienced in watching for speeders. The court's 5-1 decision says independent verification of a driver's speed is not necessary.

The court upheld a lower court's ruling against a driver who challenged a speeding conviction that had been based on testimony from police officer in Copley, 25 miles south of Cleveland. The officer said it appeared to him that the man was driving too fast.

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June 02, 2010 01:54 PM EDT

Copyright 2010, The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Poster Comment:

Whenever you "apply" (beg) for permission (license) you agree to the rules which amount to you're always wrong and they're always right ... no matter what.

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-03   7:31:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-03   7:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This outta bode well for not wasting the court's time. /s

I imagine it will reduce court costs too ! /s

"Rebellion is natural when governments become "revolting. YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !

noone222  posted on  2010-06-03   7:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What if "it looks like a cop is a JBT," can we then sue police departments across the nation?

Well, equal rejection of the law would allow you to just shoot the JBT and file whatever paperwork is required at a future date as guilt is a foregone conclusion.

"Rebellion is natural when governments become "revolting. YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !

noone222  posted on  2010-06-03   7:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

if the officer is trained, certified by a training academy, and experienced in watching for speeders.

Which as we can all guess, will the be pedigree of every flatfoot who writes a ticket, whether he actually has the training or not.

What's the fine for "looks like you're going fast" anyway?

The court really munged this one up. They sometimes get it right, but not in this case.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-03   8:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The court really munged this one up. They sometimes get it right, but not in this case.

All courts operate a summary judgment system (commercial law) that silently recognizes your agreement to accept guilt regardless of anything else ... that's why they have you sign an "application" to conduct a privileged activity. As a result of signing the application and license you have unwittingly plead guilty to all future charges whether it seems that way or not.

"Rebellion is natural when governments become "revolting. YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !

noone222  posted on  2010-06-03   8:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-03   8:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-03   8:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

politically speaking that is, using the FedGov as the example.

"perfect example"

"Rebellion is natural when governments become "revolting. YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !

noone222  posted on  2010-06-03   8:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If just 30% of the people who received tickets pleaded not guilty, and took the time to use every appeal available, the court system would grind to a halt and they'd be more cops in court than on the street.

EDIT: Speed not reasonable and prudent

The above law was in effect in NYC when I was on the job, so it's been around for who know how long. I'm thinking the Ohio decision was based on a ticket given under this statute.

OBAMA'S KATRINA

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-03   8:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-03   8:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If just 30% of the people who received tickets pleaded not guilty, and took the time to use every appeal available, the court system would grind to a halt and they'd be more cops in court than on the street.

We sing that hymn at my synagogue !

"Rebellion is natural when governments become "revolting. YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !

noone222  posted on  2010-06-03   8:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good man.

It's great fun to fark with the system isn't it? I mean what the hell, they fark with us all the time, might as well make their day as painful as possible.

When I was a student at OSU, back in the early 1990's, I went through the exercise of not allowing the school to use my SSN as a student ID. Stood in that office for a good ~3 hours. Started with just one peon, who had to escalate the request, then ended up with at least four of them paging through manuals looking for ways to force me to use my SSN as a student ID number. I won, they had to create a brand new number out of thin air, and they learned something in the process. I assume they did anyway. Nevertheless, I made their day really frustrating and felt that I had done A Good Thing (tm) by doing so.

If I ever get a speeding ticket again, I'm gonna take your route. Don't get tickets as a rule, I use an Escort Passport 9500i that sees cops as they're crawling out of bed in the morning so I'm always forewarned. :)

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-03   8:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Estimates OK for speeding tickets, court rules

LOL. The taxman will make use of that next for income.

Now we have a REAL environmental catastrophe involving oil, so presumably the Mainstream Media are going hysterical right now.... no, on second thought, they're keeping quiet about this. Interesting.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-06-03   9:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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freepatriot32  posted on  2010-06-03   9:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The highway patrol in Ohio is the most professional, highly organized group of pricks on the planet. I assure you, they can find a way you're breaking the law on the road even if it takes them all day to look up the statute. Here in Buckeyeland it pays to have a great radar detector AND a CB radio with you at all times when driving. Otherwise, you're toast if you go 1 mph over the limit.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-03   9:21:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The highway patrol in Ohio is the most professional, highly organized group of pricks on the planet. I assure you, they can find a way you're breaking the law on the road even if it takes them all day to look up the statute.

They've great one over here - they can only pull you over (checkpoints aside) if they believe you are driving "erratically". lol Swerving a little bit while adjusting environmental controls.. driving erratically. lol

Here in Buckeyeland it pays to have a great radar detector AND a CB radio with you at all times when driving.

I know a fella who had one of those radar detectors, trouble is, he is one of those boy racer types. lol

Otherwise, you're toast if you go 1 mph over the limit.

Cops you know may overlook it, strangers drafted in from another district won't.

Now we have a REAL environmental catastrophe involving oil, so presumably the Mainstream Media are going hysterical right now.... no, on second thought, they're keeping quiet about this. Interesting.

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-06-03   9:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-03   12:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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