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Title: How much longer will California remain a part of the United States?
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Published: Jun 6, 2010
Author: Dvorak
Post Date: 2010-06-06 11:50:16 by Mind_Virus
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How much longer will California remain a part of the United States? Published on June 6th, 2010 California’s white population has declined since 2000 at an unprecedented rate, hastening the day when Hispanics will be the state’s largest population group, according to newly released state figures. Analysts said the decline can be attributed to two main causes – a natural population decrease as Baby Boomers enter their later years and die at a faster rate than younger whites have children, and a migration from California since 2001 among whites who sought affordable housing as real estate costs soared. The study also confirmed projections that a steadily growing Hispanic population will surpass whites as the state’s largest racial demographic in 2016. Hispanics are expected to become a majority of all Californians in 2042, Heim said. A University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor predicts a new, sovereign Hispanic nation within the century, taking in the Southwest and several northern states of Mexico. Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being “by any means necessary,” but recently said it was unlikely to be formed by civil war. Instead, its creation will be accomplished by the electoral pressure of the future majority Hispanic population in the region, he said.
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#139. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, buckeroo (#136)
People work in greenhouses and submarines quite comfortably with higher concentrations of CO2. I guess the question becomes: If man does very well at higher concentrations and plants do exceptionally well at higher concentrations, where is the problem?
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." LOL! AT NO POINT IN THIS EXCHANGE have you adduced, brought forth, substantiated, corroborated, vindicated, nor confirmed the underlying point in contention i.e., antrhopogenic i.e, human caused Glowbull Warming resulting from excess Carbon Dioxide. In fact you have engaged in diversions, theatrics and evasions, all aimed at avoiding the question. I do have to grant you one thing though - chutzpah. After spending multiple posts avoiding the issue and bringing forward irrelevancies and strawmen to avoid it you actually have the nerve to accuse me of your vices. That definitely qualifies as chutzpah. And what is wrong with my use of the vernacular? If you wanted to deal in monosyllables you should have said so. I assumed you understood educated english. My mistake. Please excuse me me I will now use small words so you can know what I am saying. See Spot run. See CRU run. CRU got got lying now they run faster. See Phil run. See Phil Jones resign. Phil got caught lying. Now Phil needs a job. Poor Phil.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
In the context of biology, poisons are substances that can cause disturbances to organisms,[1] usually by chemical reaction or other activity on the molecular scale, when a sufficient quantity is absorbed by an organism... According to this definition, oxygen is a poison.
I guess the question becomes: If man does very well at higher concentrations and plants do exceptionally well at higher concentrations, where is the problem? People aren't buying Carbon Credits. That's the problem.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
One of the things that AGAviator hasn't address and is unlikely to address is the fact that we have, more than likely, reached IR (infra red) saturation. So if you assume the AGW alarmists are correct, which they aren't, and our current warming is because of CO2 increases, any further increase will have no effect.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." lmao
LOL I guess so. Stops the corrupt from taking our money, that is a shame.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." And we haven't even discussed the poison dihydrogen monoxide. None of us are safe until we ban that!
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." lmao We aim to please. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
My kinda man!
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Interesting - I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense. The atmosphere has only so much heat holding power, and the surface a relatively fixed albedo. So at some point you do reach maximum heat absorbtion versus reradiation. Much like in my garden - I live in zone 8a and have trouble getting a long enough hot season to grow melons - so I use an infrared absorbing plastic mulch to elevate soil temperature - otherwise I would not get enough heat units to ripen my melons, and I likes my melons.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yes, absolutely. That Dihydrogen Monoxide is some killer stuff. I'd better watch it I have glass of it here on my desk and some of it is even in crystalline form.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The most dangerous kind. It's been known to sink boats.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." The most dangerous kind. It's been known to sink boats. And some pretty big ones at that.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I guess the question becomes: If man does very well at higher concentrations and plants do exceptionally well at higher concentrations, where is the problem? The first problem is your shameless jumping from "quite comfortably" (your definition) to "does very well" (also your definition). Compared to...what? More oxygen, for instance, shameless liar? But I understand, someone who's invested a lot in a dishonest argument needs to pull something out of somewhere because at this point it's more important to you to twist language than to face basic facts and tell the truth without hyperbole and invective.
Excuse me punk. But in a debate among adults it is customary, perhaps not in your herd but here, to substantiate i.e., back up an argument with a chain of reasoning as opposed to throwing childish temper tantrums and engaging in uncivil ad hominem insults. At NO POINT have you made a point which was salient nor on the line of debate i.e., that fraud known as Glowbull Warming. One thing you have proven though - you are NOT a gentleman.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Do you actually have ANY science to counter ANYTHING I have said? I've talked about actual gas levels in ppmv, infrared absorption, historic CO2 levels and current levels in greenhouses. You have countered none of it. Stop calling names and start spitting out some science or go away!
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." biocab.org/Carbon_Dioxide_CO2.ht ml
Excellent link.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Thank you - a nice, simple, and to the point explanation. That means it will be ignored by our good buddy.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
People work in greenhouses and submarines quite comfortably with higher concentrations of CO2. I guess the question becomes: If man does very well at higher concentrations and plants do exceptionally well at higher concentrations, where is the problem? The first problem is your shameless jumping from "quite comfortably" (your definition) to "does very well" (also your definition). Compared to...what? More oxygen, for instance, shameless liar? But I understand, someone who's invested a lot in a dishonest argument needs to pull something out of somewhere because at this point it's more important to you to twist language than to face basic facts and tell the truth without hyperbole and invective. No need to talk like that.
Do you actually have ANY science to counter ANYTHING I have said? I've talked about actual gas levels in ppmv, infrared absorption, historic CO2 levels and current levels in greenhouses. You have countered none of it. Stop calling names and start spitting out some science or go away! I could offer some other options to our "buddy", but I am afraid they are anatomically really not possible.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." "With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Love it. That reminds me - at one time I worked for a Market Research Firm doing surveys and I happened to call one household in the middle of a domestic debate. The guy who answered the phone, as soon as he figured out it was a survey, turned and I could hear him announce to his wife in acid dripping tones "honey here is someone else that could benefit from your opinion". He must have been wrong because she didn't do the survey.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I have a magnet on my fridge with that one on it.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
LOL
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." You've repeatedly claimed there's no negative effect from increases of CO2 while totally ignoring the empirical facts that At NO POINT have you made a point which was salient nor on the line of debate i.e., that fraud known as Glowbull Warming. Since you're clearly unable to use standard English terminology, or make an argument without using your own custom-tailored words and invective, there has never been any debate outside your own addled brain. Throughout this thread you've consistently been the one to jump into warped accusations and sexually tinged names.
I'm far more concerned about what I breathe, than what a greenhouse breathes. That's where I will show my science. Science that relates to me, not purporting to justify some bullshit political/social/economic theoty.
You have stated the beginnings of a thesis however, it is a premise in search of support. I see nothing whatsoever to support it, put it in context, or showing how it is relevant. Your argument, such as it is, is an incomplete tautology and logically false. As for my sometimes acerbic tongue it was you not I that degraded first the level of civility. I'm just better at it than you are. Just admit it - you're jealous.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Again no science.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." But it's not that bad and nowhere near in danger of being that bad outside of an enclosed space.
Currently the Earth is at 380 ppmv. So if even if we double CO2 levels there will be no harm to humans and plants will love it producing more O2. This would be a net benefit to humans. Not to mention less people die in warmer climates than colder ones.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Science (Biology, Respiration):
Jealous of a moron who can't even look up a simple definition of "poison" and use words that conform to its plain English meaning? Dream on.
Not even close.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Ever hear of common law, buck? One maxim of common law, one of the highest, is that no man may be a judge in his own cause.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Almost everything you can think of is deadly to humans given enough of it. Even water can kill you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. "wilful" ignorance seems to be what keeps people on Al Gore's globalone warming bandwagon. The actual science doesn't support it, only "scientists" shown to have engaged in cooking the books and making hockey sticks.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. In any case you will eventually die. True enough. It is also true that you might die today if you drink too much water or take too many aspirins. Your argument that CO2 is some kind of killer gas might have some merit if you meant that breathing only that would kill you. But no one has made any such claim and have made the claim, scientific fact, that CO2 is beneficial to us because plants need it and we need the oxygen they give us in return.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestJust about anything can become a poison at a high enough dose even oxygen. However, for the normal range of atmospheric CO2 you are correct - it is not a poison.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#140. To: AGAviator, farmfriend, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#137)
Not only are you missing quite a few chips in your fact and reality processing mechanism, you are also unable to use basic English, and instead twist and conflate definitions to suit your own agenda.
#141. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, farmfriend (#137)
Poison
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#142. To: farmfriend (#139)
People work in greenhouses and submarines quite comfortably with higher concentrations of CO2.
#143. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, buckeroo (#139)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#144. To: Original_Intent (#135)
Are you dead yet?
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#145. To: Original_Intent (#142)
People aren't buying Carbon Credits. That's the problem.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#146. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, buckeroo (#143)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#147. To: wudidiz (#144)
Are you dead yet?
#148. To: Original_Intent (#147)
We aim to please.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#149. To: farmfriend (#143)
One of the things that AGAviator hasn't address and is unlikely to address is the fact that we have, more than likely, reached IR (infra red) saturation. So if you assume the AGW alarmists are correct, which they aren't, and our current warming is because of CO2 increases, any further increase will have no effect.
#150. To: farmfriend (#146)
And we haven't even discussed the poison dihydrogen monoxide. None of us are safe until we ban that!
#151. To: farmfriend (#148)
#152. To: Original_Intent (#150)
and some of it is even in crystalline form.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#153. To: farmfriend (#152)
and some of it is even in crystalline form.
#154. To: farmfriend (#139)
People work in greenhouses and submarines quite comfortably with higher concentrations of CO2.
#155. To: AGAviator (#154)
Compared to...what? More oxygen, for instance, shameless liar?
#156. To: AGAviator (#154)
But I understand, someone who's invested a lot in a dishonest argument needs to pull something out of somewhere because at this point it's more important to you to twist language than to face basic facts and tell the truth without hyperbole and invective.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#157. To: AGAviator (#134)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#158. To: wudidiz (#157)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#159. To: wudidiz, AGAviator (#157)
#160. To: AGAviator (#154)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#161. To: farmfriend, AGAviator (#156)
But I understand, someone who's invested a lot in a dishonest argument needs to pull something out of somewhere because at this point it's more important to you to twist language than to face basic facts and tell the truth without hyperbole and invective.
#162. To: Original_Intent (#161)
I could offer some other options to our "buddy", but I am afraid they are anatomically really not possible.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#163. To: Original_Intent (#161)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#164. To: farmfriend (#162)
#165. To: farmfriend (#163)
#166. To: Original_Intent (#164)
I could hear him announce to his wife in acid dripping tones "honey here is someone else that could benefit from your opinion".
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#167. To: Original_Intent (#155)
(1) Human and animal bodies expel CO2 as waste,
(2) Increasing consumption of toxic waste CO2 makes people and animals increasingly sick, culminating ultimately in death,
(3) Attempting to twist and conflate plain English definitions of the word "poison" which completely agree with my own terminology used here, and
(4) Distracting from these facts by throwing around pet phrases among people equally dishonest and delusional as you. One thing you have proven though - you are NOT a gentleman.
#168. To: farmfriend (#156)
I've talked about actual gas levels in ppmv, infrared absorption, historic CO2 levels and current levels in greenhouses. You have countered none of it
#169. To: AGAviator, farmfriend, wudidiz (#167)
(Edited)
(1) Human and animal bodies expel CO2 as waste,
(2) Increasing consumption of toxic waste CO2 makes people and animals increasingly sick, culminating ultimately in death,
(3) Attempting to twist and conflate plain English definitions of the word "poison" which completely agree with my own terminology used here, and
(4) Distracting from these facts by throwing around pet phrases among people equally dishonest and delusional as you.
#170. To: AGAviator (#168)
I'm far more concerned about what I breathe, than what a greenhouse breathes. That's where I will show my science. Science that relates to me, not purporting to justify some bullshit political/social/economic theoty.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#171. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, farmfriend (#167)
(2) Increasing consumption of toxic waste CO2 makes people and animals increasingly sick, culminating ultimately in death,
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#172. To: wudidiz, AGAviator, Original_Intent, buckeroo (#171)
(Edited)
But it's not that bad and nowhere near in danger of being that bad outside of an enclosed space.
Other human data: Signs of intoxication have been produced by a 30-minute exposure at 50,000 ppm [Aero 1953], and a few minutes exposure at 70,000 to 100,000 ppm produces unconsciousness [Flury and Zernik 1931]. It has been reported that submarine personnel exposed continuously at 30,000 ppm were only slightly affected, provided the oxygen content of the air was maintained at normal concentrations [Schaefer 1951]. It has been reported that 100,000 ppm is the atmospheric concentration immediately dangerous to life [AIHA 1971] and that exposure to 100,000 ppm for only a few minutes can cause loss of consciousness [Hunter 1975].
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#173. To: farmfriend (#170)
Again no science.
(1) CO2 is a ***poison*** expelled by the body
pwned
(2)***Poisons*** are defined in simple English as substances having no benefits from their initial consumption, and whose increasing consumption leads to increasing levels of lack of wellness/sickness.
#174. To: Original_Intent (#169)
Just admit it - you're jealous.
#175. To: AGAviator (#173)
pwned
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#176. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#129)
Because I nailed Original_Intent .... EVERYTIME.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#177. To: AGAviator (#131)
How many times have you repeated your "hissy fit" mantra now while sticking your fingers in your ears and humming loudly to yourself to try to blot out my statement that CO2 is poison?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#178. To: AGAviator (#132)
The wilful ignorance of the thread hissy fitter in completely disregarding the needs of even plants for oxygen is getting to the level of some sort of emotional psychosis.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#179. To: AGAviator (#134)
In either case you will eventually die if either substance prevents enough oxygen from getting through.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
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