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Title: How much longer will California remain a part of the United States?
Source: www.dvorak.org
URL Source: http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/06/ ... n-a-part-of-the-united-states/
Published: Jun 6, 2010
Author: Dvorak
Post Date: 2010-06-06 11:50:16 by Mind_Virus
Keywords: None
Views: 2123
Comments: 283

How much longer will California remain a part of the United States?

Published on June 6th, 2010

California’s white population has declined since 2000 at an unprecedented rate, hastening the day when Hispanics will be the state’s largest population group, according to newly released state figures.

Analysts said the decline can be attributed to two main causes – a natural population decrease as Baby Boomers enter their later years and die at a faster rate than younger whites have children, and a migration from California since 2001 among whites who sought affordable housing as real estate costs soared.

The study also confirmed projections that a steadily growing Hispanic population will surpass whites as the state’s largest racial demographic in 2016. Hispanics are expected to become a majority of all Californians in 2042, Heim said.

A University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor predicts a new, sovereign Hispanic nation within the century, taking in the Southwest and several northern states of Mexico.

Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being “by any means necessary,” but recently said it was unlikely to be formed by civil war. Instead, its creation will be accomplished by the electoral pressure of the future majority Hispanic population in the region, he said. (1 image)

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#1. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Just wait until the next two earthquakes flatten the state. They will also be plagued by race riots as soon as the US dollar collapses and debt increases will not buy more free stuff. You cannot project our past to predict our future.

Horse  posted on  2010-06-06   12:59:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Horse (#1)

Just wait until the next two earthquakes flatten the state.

Just wait till the Mexicans take over "Atzlan" (their fictional land). They will turn it into the same kind of $#ithole they are trying to escape.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-06   13:22:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: James Deffenbach, Horse, abraxas (#3)

I've had some recent contacts in the CA food industry, and many crops that were normally grown in the state are started to get imported directly from Mexico. They pay laborers less down in Mexico than growers are obligated legally to pay them here, and I imagine there is less agricultural oversight to have to deal with too.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-07   1:19:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: AGAviator (#6)

Where are they getting the water? I actually have been seeing more produce from Mexico too.

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-07   13:55:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: abraxas (#7)

Where are they getting the water? I actually have been seeing more produce from Mexico too.

Water in CA is being depleted, polluted, and there are also government regulations to try to spread what remains around more equitably. So the agribusinesses are complaining, but generally speaking there has not been much of a focus on getting anybody anywhere to use and conserve wisely.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-07   15:36:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AGAviator, abraxas (#8)

Water in CA is being depleted, polluted, and there are also government regulations to try to spread what remains around more equitably. So the agribusinesses are complaining, but generally speaking there has not been much of a focus on getting anybody anywhere to use and conserve wisely.

bullshit

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-07   15:40:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: farmfriend (#10)

Water in CA is being depleted, polluted, and there are also government regulations to try to spread what remains around more equitably. So the agribusinesses are complaining, but generally speaking there has not been much of a focus on getting anybody anywhere to use and conserve wisely.

bullshit

Mono Lake?

Salinas Valley?

Sacramento Delta?

Bakersfield, Taft?

Any reason for running sprinklers in the daylight instead of night, potty mouth?

More With Less: Agricultural Water Conservation & Efficiency in California A Special Focus on the Delta

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-07   17:50:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: AGAviator (#12)

potty mouth?

Environmental kool-aide drinker.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-07   19:09:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: farmfriend (#13)

Environmental kool-aide drinker.

Says the self-styled farmer who can't figure out any benefits running sprinklers at night.....

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-07   20:00:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: AGAviator, farmfriend (#14) (Edited)

Just a quick point: farmfriend has consistently updated the water shortage issues in California based upon federal restriction guidelines, particularly in the central valley area which used to be the breadbasket of the world (now just a dustbowl with farming communities dying and where unemployment runs as high as 25%).

She knows what she is talking about when the federal government steps in and restricts private farming/ranching productive efforts when the government has some kind of new fish or game to save.

BTW, I have always enjoyed your posts (as I do farmfriend's). Please keep doing so on 4um.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-06-07   20:17:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo (#16) (Edited)

She knows what she is talking about when the federal government steps in and restricts private farming/ranching productive efforts when the government has some kind of new fish or game to save.

I don't believe we have an either/or choice where it's choosing production or saving species.

All across the US the entire ecosystem has been trashed in little more than 100 years. When the Great Plains were first cultivated there was over 12-18 inches of topsoil just about everywhere. Then by the 1930's we had the "Dust Bowl," and today the norm for good soil there is about 4 inches. The silt has clearly washed down the Mississippi/Missouri river basin and dozens of miles into the Gulf - where now it gets mixed with oily goo. People back then just didn't care about the future, until big bad government decided to make them care. Not that the government choices thesmelves were always right, but at least it was movement into the right direction.

So all this talk about the goodness of private enterprise and the badness of govenment control is really a big joke.

Then take Colorado/Nevada/Arizona/Imperial Valley. The same type of waste and trashing of water resources. Added to this the violation of water treaties promising a certain amount of water to go into Mexico they can use for their own agriculture. The US has never delivered on those commitments to Mexico. Then some Americans complain when Mexican farm labor comes north to where the water is.

Working west, the misuse of Sierra water for placer mining in the Gold Rush, then the construction of huge inefficient irrigation projects to move San Joaquin Delta water into parts of the Central Valley where lots of it evaporated, and some of the rest leached poisons into toxic cesspools like Kesterson.

Even further west, over pumping of Salinas River Valley water causing salt water intrusion into the ground water table. Meanwhile in all these places listed above there has been heavy and sprawling construction activity with a heavy bias to generating sprawling urban and suburban tracts going in all directions.

Last but not least, massive sheep and cattle raising in nearly every state which has seriously destroyed ground cover, making both water conservation more difficult, and major flooding easier.

All these practices could have and should have been done more carefully and more with an eye to conserving for future generations. They weren't done that way because so-called free market forces were allowed to run rampant. And now we have the consequences of this systematic destruction of what was only 200 years ago was pristine agricultural land from sea to sea.

Bottom line is the government is going to step in, and there are some people who are motivated to keeping and even improving what is left, and any people who don't like it are just going to have to get off the train and walk to where they're going. Because the train is not going to stop to please them. All the blather about eco-weenies, smelt-lovers, Gaia worshippers, leftists, property rights, Brave New World, government tyranny, etc. is not going to cut it because the "free market" forces have made a substantial hole in the system in little more than 100 years, and there are enough people wanting to see that hole start to get plugged that it will happen.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-07   22:25:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AGAviator, buckeroo (#17)

Last but not least, massive sheep and cattle raising in nearly every state which has seriously destroyed ground cover, making both water conservation more difficult, and major flooding easier.

There is so much wrong with what you have posted I don't even know where to begin. I can tell you that buying into the enviro propaganda doesn't mean you have the truth. And government regulation isn't the answer. Never has been despite what you say and think. Sigh, where to start.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-08   0:35:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#38. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent (#21)

There is so much wrong with what you have posted I don't even know where to begin. I can tell you that buying into the enviro propaganda doesn't mean you have the truth. And government regulation isn't the answer. Never has been despite what you say and think. Sigh, where to start.

Among other things "government regulation" has never caused the strippage of nearly a foot of topsoil from the Great Plains, nor did it cause John Muir to refer to sheep as "hooved locusts" and register similar protests to wholesale cattle farming. Nor did government cause the Dust Bowl in the 1930's.

American farmers were free to do whatever they felt like for years. And they did and much of the American ag environment was trashed. Among other things they were free to sell their land to the agribusinesses you find more convenient to blame. Amerian farmers were even free to require their workers to use back- injuring tools that were later found to be less productive than ones that don't cause injuries.

The problem with your pipe dreams about free market and environment is whenever you come up against a fact that doesen't dovetail into your concepts, you simply deny it is part of free market or blame business and government for its existence. And enviro treehuggers can see that clearly and that is why they will continue moving towards changes. I do believe that the power of agribusinesses to lobby should be decreased especially if money is used.

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