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Title: How much longer will California remain a part of the United States?
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Published: Jun 6, 2010
Author: Dvorak
Post Date: 2010-06-06 11:50:16 by Mind_Virus
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How much longer will California remain a part of the United States? Published on June 6th, 2010 California’s white population has declined since 2000 at an unprecedented rate, hastening the day when Hispanics will be the state’s largest population group, according to newly released state figures. Analysts said the decline can be attributed to two main causes – a natural population decrease as Baby Boomers enter their later years and die at a faster rate than younger whites have children, and a migration from California since 2001 among whites who sought affordable housing as real estate costs soared. The study also confirmed projections that a steadily growing Hispanic population will surpass whites as the state’s largest racial demographic in 2016. Hispanics are expected to become a majority of all Californians in 2042, Heim said. A University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor predicts a new, sovereign Hispanic nation within the century, taking in the Southwest and several northern states of Mexico. Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being “by any means necessary,” but recently said it was unlikely to be formed by civil war. Instead, its creation will be accomplished by the electoral pressure of the future majority Hispanic population in the region, he said.
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#45. To: buckeroo, farmfriend, abraxas, James Deffenbach, AGAviator (#42)
Spam. Climate has throughout geologic history been variable. A short window of time, and geologically that could be as much as several thousand years, is barely sufficient to establish a clear trend. Temperartures go up, temperatures go down. Climate is variable and cyclical. And as usual your climate model maps are curiously cut off and the scale contracted to manipulate the data to fit the conclusion. The beginning of your graph is the end of a several century period known as "The Little Ice Age". What happens at the end of an ice age that lets us know it is over? Hands Please!? Correct! It warms up and that is how we know the ice age is over. If we look at a graph of a longer period of time the picture becomes clearer - note that the graph before and after the little ice age is very similar i.e., about the same temperature ranges we experienced throughout much of the 20th century. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
lol
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
lol....what? You say that climate was actually a facter for a longer period than just the past 120 years? How could that be? eyes rolling I bet you would even go so far as to dare to suggest that the SUN has somthing to do with climate change. Al Gore and his band of "climatologists" don't consider the sun to be a relevant talking point. So, do your part and pretend that the big ol' ball of fire in the sky has NOTHING to do with it. It's that derb nubbed carbon dioxide.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yeah .... and you neglect to add the HUGH, burgeoning population growth in just past few decades. This same human population base is sucking up the resources while simultaneously aiding global warming phenomena.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
lol.......I liked that graph too. : ) Very, very low sun spot activity, a common sense change in the sun's output, couldn't have ANYTHING to do with the climate on the earth.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Again an ASSertion absent any proof. We know now that the Glowbull Warming propagandists have been falsifying data, excluding data, and Scientists, which provide contradictory confirmation etc., ... Oh, and where's that Nobel Prize winning liar Al Bore these days?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What? The major energy source of the Solar System? Go on now! The sun's output an influence? Who'd a thunk? Certainly not the Climate Research Unit.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
This same human population base is sucking up the resources while simultaneously aiding global warming phenomena. Again an ASSertion absent any proof. So you want to ASSert that burning 19 million barrels of oil per day every day year in year out, while deforesting 214,000 acres per day - an area larger than New York City, every day year in year out - have nothing to do with climate change. Or the fact that the ice caps over the North Pole have shrunk so much that polar bears who live on them year round are drowning because they have to swim so far to find food they become exhausted. Just a coincidence with all other human activity, no? Slam Gore and Gaia all you want, most people aren't going to wait until the disasters caused by these factors are undeniable to every denying soul on the planet.
A. We do have environmental problems. B. Antropogenic Glowbull Warming is not one of them. It is a distraction from the real problems - such as toxic pollutants both water borne and atmospheric. Hydrogen Sulfide and Mercury from Coal Fired Power Plants IS real, however Glowbull warming is a distraction and is a stalking horse for other hidden agendas.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
B. Antropogenic So let's review your statements with a few modifications, above. Do you run around rattling like this all day to yourself?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Burning millions of barrels of oil every day, which introduces thousands of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere, while at the same time deforesting hundreds of thousands of acres of vegetation, removing the capacity of that vegetation to absorb increased thousands of tons of extra CO2 and other by products, causes additional burdens and pollutants to go into the ecosphere/atmosphere. This increased pollutant load also interferes with radiation of heat into space, besides temperature increases coming from the burning fuel itself.
CO2 is not a pollutant. It is necessary for life. BTW, the forests, especially the rain forests, are not the major sink for CO2 anyway. The biggest sink for CO2, also the biggest source of CO2, is by far the oceans. The only deforestation that is taking place is in third world countries thanks to the NGOs that shut down domestic forestry.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." O_I understands all that. But, he thinks that the Earth's ecosystem is limitless (as in, infinity) .... yet, he knows mankind has a direct impact on the world around us, too. He just believes that AlGore is the "Globull Warming Guru" and as a direct result those exaggerations prove that global warming phenomena doesn't exist. I maintain that it does exist, although I don't believe that anthropogenic causes are the only inputs, although, as I earlier pointed out ... it is interesting to me that global warming phenomena is coincident in time with the industrial revolution and an ever increasing population base while we see a shrinking natural resource base.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Oh what a mess that was. The claim was that they needed more water for a fish that does well in 1.5' in tule lake. The claim was that the water was too low despite it being at record level highs. Oddly enough, the guy (read government environmentalist) who set the water level was commodore of the yacht club and that was the first year they didn't have to pull their boats from the water. Also, the farmers fields are what fed the birds from the bird sanctuary which also had no water because of the shut off. So government regulation saved the water for the fish who didn't need it while damaging the pacific flyway.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Oh that's a keeper.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Oh he does not and you know it. Don't make shit up just to try and be provocative.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Oh what a mess that was. The claim was that they needed more water for a fish that does well in 1.5' in tule lake. The claim was that the water was too low despite it being at record level highs. Oddly enough, the guy (read government environmentalist) who set the water level was commodore of the yacht club and that was the first year they didn't have to pull their boats from the water. Also, the farmers fields are what fed the birds from the bird sanctuary which also had no water because of the shut off. So government regulation saved the water for the fish who didn't need it while damaging the pacific flyway. The real purpose of course was to drive the farmers out and into cities. Farmers are independent, they don't make good serfs or slaves - that is why Stalin murdered 11 million "Kulaks" - independent farmers - in the Ukraine.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Oh he does not and you know it. Don't make shit up just to try and be provocative. That's about all he can do at this point. His "argument", such as it was, got stuffed and so all he has left is an attempt to misrepresent my position.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Glad you liked it. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
So how does he think about the world's human population base doubling in another 20 years, if we don't have an infinite ecosystem? I will tell you, he thinks that is sustainable.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Congress protecting their own kin sounds like.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You are making assumptions and accusations that are not correct. People don't want to have civilized conversations with you when you do that. You make your points and let OI make his own points. Let other judge him by what he says, not by what you claim he says.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Agreed.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Hey! I asked you a question because you jumped in arguing for him. I made a conclusion based upon his many earlier remarcks that allude to sustainability while the human population base is geometrically climbing. Why don't you let him argue his own stuff. In all cases, he was included.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Not quite. But enough said. I'll resign from further comment.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." So what is it? Human population can be sustained infinitely in growth? Or is there a finite threshold, somewhere? And, if human population growth is finite, where is that threshold that may sustain humanity with a high quality of life style? I say, with about seven BILLION people, mankind has already surpassed the capability to enjoy a good level of life style much less a high one. So, let's go back to the original article of this thread. Why do you think some college professor suggests that a new nation shall be born in the near future, encompassing the Southwest of the US and Northern Mexico? I say, it is because certain people want a high quality of lifestyle typically afforded in the Southwest of the US. And, they want to take it away from those that already have it.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Where is your answer to my post above?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Right here.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That will never happen. Agitprop?
So you evade my question by not answering. Do you feel better?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
CO2 is poison. You seem to be confusing it with oxygen. While algae in the oceans does convert CO2 into organic food, some of that algae like the red is poison itself. And when algae levels get too high, either from over fishing or from allowing farming chemicals and by products to slosh into the waterways, the algae mass becomes toxic itself. Lower Ocean Oxygen Levels Predict Catastrophic Change A cascade failure is the progressive collapse of an integral system. Many scientists also call them negative feedback loops, in that unfortunate situations reinforce one another, precipitating eventual and sometimes complete failure. The agricultural practices relate to “factory farming,” in which farmers grow crops using more and more chemical fertilizers, specifically nitrogen and phosphorus, which are the first two ingredients (chemical symbols N and P) listed on any container or bag of fertilizer. The last is potassium, or K. But farmers aren’t the only culprits. Lawn enthusiasts add to the problem with their massive applications of fertilizer designed to maintain a species of plant that doesn’t provide either food or habitat, and is grown merely to add prestige. And groundskeepers at parks and large corporate headquarters are equally guilty. In fact, a whole generation needs to rethink its addiction to lawns. Whoever is guilty of applying the fertilizer, these megadoses are eventually washed off the fields and lawns and into waterways. From there, they migrate to the nearest large bodies of water, where they spark such tremendous and unnatural growth in aquatic plants that the result is eutrophication , or lack of oxygen in the water as bacteria act to reduce the sheer mass of dying organic matter. One of these aquatic growths is algae, or phytoplankton. Moderate algal growth can produce higher fish yields and actually benefit lakes and oceans, but over- stimulation leads to a whole host of problems whose integral relationship to one another threatens not only aquatic but human life. A classic example would be the Baltic Sea, where phytoplankton are raging out of control. The Baltic Sea is, as a result, home to seven out of ten of the world’s largest “dead zones,” aquatic areas where nothing survives. One of the other three is the Gulf of Mexico, where a 2008 dead zone the size of Massachusetts is expected to grow in future years thanks to the U.S. government’s biofuel mandate. Most of the crops for biofuel are grown along the Mississippi River, which drains directly into this dead zone. In the Baltic, as elsewhere, overfishing has exacerbated the problem. Fish feed on smaller aquatic organisms, which themselves feed on the algae. Take the fish out of the equation, and the balance is lost. It’s very much like removing the wolves that keep down the deer population in order to protect the sheep, and it doesn’t work in the ocean any better than it works on land. Absolutely false. Brazil's government personnel attempting to rein in slash burning and cutting of Amazonian rain forest are vastly outnumbered by would-be settlers and often try to stop the madness at the risk of their lives.
the bigger question is; whose state will be polluted by the like of whitesands?
Right, that's why greenhouses increase CO2 to 1000 ppmv. It is fertilizer for plants. Currently CO2 is at historic lows for the planet. Mankind even does better at higher CO2 levels because we evolved when levels were higher. Without CO2 we have no forests, no agriculture, no life on this planet. "With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." CO2 is poison. You seem to be confusing it with oxygen. Right, that's why greenhouses increase CO2 to 1000 ppmv Do I need to amplify by saying CO2 is poison for humans? Are you better off breathing in an environment that has more CO2, or less CO2? How can you accuse anybody else of pseudo science after making a statement like you just did. Flies eat waste. This does not mean waste is food for people. Comprende?
Are you better off breathing in an environment that has more CO2, or less CO2? Actually according to the US Navy you are better off breathing an atmosphere of around 500 ppmv. That's higher than what we have on the planet. Man evolved at higher CO2 levels and has better brain function at higher levels. Yes if the levels get too high it will kill you but then too much water will kill you as well.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." Lungs expel CO2 just like kidneys expel urine. People who are sick get pure oxygen to increase their chances of survival. Increasing oxygen capacity and its transport within the human body are the goals of: Athletic training, and health care, and spirituality - all at the same time. Your attempts to rationalize the amount of CO2 to promote some pet theory, and against these empirical facts, don't even rise to the level of junk science.
LOL! Don't you mean, "May he live long and prosper and stay where he is"?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Are you better off breathing in an environment that has more CO2, or less CO2? Actually according to the US Navy you are better off breathing an atmosphere of around 500 ppmv. That's higher than what we have on the planet. Man evolved at higher CO2 levels and has better brain function at higher levels. Yes if the levels get too high it will kill you but then too much water will kill you as well. Unfortunately you are arguing with people to whom facts are irrelevant. Over and over and over again the validating data keeps coming in that an increase in global CO2 levels would be a net benefit. However, since the "true beeeelieeeeeeevers", like any other rube taken in by some huckster, have totally accepted the falsehoods of the PsyOps selling Glowbull Warming from (((((shudder))))) (Cue scary theme music) antropogenic CO2, and any and all data contrary to their irrational fixations is rejected. They have a fixed idea predicated upon false data and so reject true data which is contrary to their false fixations. An old aphorism from toxicology is appropriate here: "The dose makes the poison." The argument that CO2 is increasing global temperatures, while founded upon multiple fallacies, is also predicated upon a false assumption that a change in CO2 level will have only the effects predicted by the Glowbull Warming hypothesis and no others. In other words it is a self limiting hypothesis that excludes all other known affects of an increase in CO2 levels while exaggerating its importance as a greenhouse gas. Methane, such as is coming out of the Gulf Oil blowout and rupture is a much more powerful greenhouse gas, but you don't hear the Glowbull Warming Mouthpieces talking about that. (Interesting datum that.) When Algore starts talking about Methane Credits, which he won't because it gores too many profitable activities, I might listen (but truthfully not likely as he is a proven liar and phony). However, we do not live in a static environment and an infinity of equilibrium states exist. As you rightly point out an increase in atmospheric CO2 also acts as a growth stimulant for plant life. And what do plants do with CO2 - they respirate and use it to metabolize nutrients. And what do they give off as their "waste" product from respiration? Hands please. Yes, that is correct they give off O2 otherwise known as free oxygen and upon which all animal life depends for their metabolic functions. In other words an increase in CO2 results in accelerated plant respiration which removes an increasing amount of CO2 from the atmosphere while at the same time boosting the availability of free oxygen. In addition to being at historically low levels of CO2 we are also at historically low levels of O2. Funny how that works out. The key point here is that levels of free oxygen are in direct relationship to the availability of carbon dioxide for a plant's normal respiratory cycle. As well humans evolved in not only a higher mix of CO2 but a higher level of O2. So, the Chicken Little Brigades who have been led down a wrong path with CO2 as a deadly greenhouse gas, with their supposed mitigation efforts (which are highly profitable to those trading in "carbon credits), are also mitigating the levels of O2 available to animal life. As J.E. Lovelock pointed out, before he was brow beat into joining the Glowbull Warming Hysteria, the planet operates in its normal range as a self stabilizing system i.e., you knock the system out of equilibrium in one direction and it reacts globally to reestablish an equilibrium state returning to a balance point. However, science, true science, is irrelevant to the ignoratti of Glowbull Warming, and as we saw with the Climate Research Unit e-mails, the top scientists pushing Glowbull Warming KNOW that it is a fraud being perpetrated for political reasons not environmental. We have many more pressing environmental issues that CO2 which is nothing more that a political distraction established to divert from the real problems. We are not seeing the die off of Bees, Snakes, Bats, Frogs, etc., due to an increase in CO2 and those are much stronger indicators of problems in the environment. The Glowbull Warming caused by Antropogenic CO2 is a false paradigm and the suckers who have bought on to it are just that S-U-C-K-E-R-S.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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Note: I just love the way your graph cuts out the little ice age and the cooling period we are in now.
#46. To: Original_Intent (#45)
Spam.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#47. To: All (#45)
#48. To: Original_Intent (#45)
Spam.
#49. To: abraxas (#48)
#50. To: Original_Intent (#45)
Climate has throughout geologic history been variable. A short window of time, and geologically that could be as much as several thousand years, is barely sufficient to establish a clear trend.
#51. To: Original_Intent (#49)
#52. To: buckeroo (#50)
This same human population base is sucking up the resources while simultaneously aiding global warming phenomena.
#53. To: abraxas (#51)
Very, very low sun spot activity, a common sense change in the sun's output, couldn't have ANYTHING to do with the climate on the earth.
#54. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#52)
#55. To: AGAviator (#54)
#56. To: Original_Intent (#55)
A. We do have environmental problems.
Glowbull Warming causes is not one of them. It Antropogenic causes is a distraction from the real problems - such as toxic pollutants both water borne and atmospheric. Hydrogen Sulfide and Mercury from Coal Fired Power Plants IS real, however Glowbull warming Antropogenic causes is a distraction and is a stalking horse for other hidden agendas.
#57. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#55)
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Antropogenic Glowbull Warming is not one of them. It is a distraction from the real problems - such as toxic pollutants both water borne and atmospheric
#58. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, buckeroo (#57)
Burning millions of barrels of oil every day, which introduces millions of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere, while at the same time deforesting hundreds of thousands of acres of vegetation, removing the capacity of that vegetation to absorb increased millions of tons of extra CO2 and other by products, causes additional burdens and pollutants to go into the ecosphere/atmosphere.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#59. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent (#57)
#60. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, Lod, James Deffenbach, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz (#41)
Ask the farmers of the Klamath Basin how government intervention aided their farming. Most of them are going broke and having to sell off their farms, which their parents and grandparents established in the 1920's, '30's, and '40's, and who were encouraged to begin - in many cases by government incentives. With their own money they built a water distribution system which was hijacked by government to supposedly (at least that was the pretext) protect an endangered species of Sucker. With their water cut off the crops dried and died. All with the beneficial hand of government and not the action of the free market.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#61. To: Original_Intent (#47)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#62. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, Original_Intent (#59)
But, he thinks that the Earth's ecosystem is limitless (as in, infinity)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#63. To: farmfriend (#60)
Ask the farmers of the Klamath Basin how government intervention aided their farming. Most of them are going broke and having to sell off their farms, which their parents and grandparents established in the 1920's, '30's, and '40's, and who were encouraged to begin - in many cases by government incentives. With their own money they built a water distribution system which was hijacked by government to supposedly (at least that was the pretext) protect an endangered species of Sucker. With their water cut off the crops dried and died. All with the beneficial hand of government and not the action of the free market.
#64. To: farmfriend, buckeroo, AGAviator, all (#62)
But, he thinks that the Earth's ecosystem is limitless (as in, infinity)
#65. To: farmfriend (#61)
Oh that's a keeper.
#66. To: farmfriend, AGAviator, Original_Intent (#62)
But, he thinks that the Earth's ecosystem is limitless (as in, infinity) -- buckeroo
Oh he does not and you know it. Don't make shit up just to try and be provocative. -- farmfriend
#67. To: Original_Intent (#41)
With their own money they built a water distribution system which was hijacked by government to supposedly (at least that was the pretext) protect an endangered species of Sucker.
Lord Acton
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#68. To: buckeroo (#66)
So how does he think about the world's human population base doubling in another 20 years, if we don't have an infinite ecosystem? I will tell you, he thinks that is sustainable.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#69. To: Original_Intent (#63)
The real purpose of course was to drive the farmers out and into cities. Farmers are independent, they don't make good serfs or slaves - that is why Stalin murdered 11 million "Kulaks" - independent farmers - in the Ukraine.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#70. To: farmfriend, AGAviator, Original_Intent (#68)
#71. To: buckeroo (#70)
Hey! I asked you a question because you jumped in arguing for him.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#72. To: Original_Intent (#64)
#73. To: Original_Intent (#72)
#74. To: buckeroo (#73)
#75. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being “by any means necessary,” but recently said it was unlikely to be formed by civil war. Instead, its creation will be accomplished by the electoral pressure of the future majority Hispanic population in the region, he said.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#76. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend (#74)
#77. To: farmfriend, buckeroo, Original_Intent (#58)
CO2 is not a pollutant. It is necessary for life. BTW, the forests, especially the rain forests, are not the major sink for CO2 anyway. The biggest sink for CO2, also the biggest source of CO2, is by far the oceans.
There is a cascade failure going on in the world’s oceans that promises nothing but trouble in the future, and the problem stems in part from agricultural practices developed over the last half-decade aimed at growing more food on the same amount of land to feed rising populations.
The only deforestation that is taking place is in third world countries thanks to the NGOs that shut down domestic forestry.
#78. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
How much longer will California remain a part of the United States?
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#79. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, Original_Intent (#77)
CO2 is poison. You seem to be confusing it with oxygen.
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#80. To: farmfriend, buckeroo (#79)
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#81. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, Original_Intent (#80)
Do I need to amplify by saying CO2 is poison for humans?
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#82. To: farmfriend (#81)
Actually according to the US Navy you are better off breathing an atmosphere of around 500 ppmv. That's higher than what we have on the planet.
#83. To: IRTorqued (#78)
the bigger question is; whose state will be polluted by the like of whitesands?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#84. To: farmfriend, AGAviator, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, James Deffenbach, all (#81)
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Do I need to amplify by saying CO2 is poison for humans?
#85. To: Original_Intent (#84)
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