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Title: How much longer will California remain a part of the United States?
Source: www.dvorak.org
URL Source: http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/06/ ... n-a-part-of-the-united-states/
Published: Jun 6, 2010
Author: Dvorak
Post Date: 2010-06-06 11:50:16 by Mind_Virus
Keywords: None
Views: 5859
Comments: 283

How much longer will California remain a part of the United States?

Published on June 6th, 2010

California’s white population has declined since 2000 at an unprecedented rate, hastening the day when Hispanics will be the state’s largest population group, according to newly released state figures.

Analysts said the decline can be attributed to two main causes – a natural population decrease as Baby Boomers enter their later years and die at a faster rate than younger whites have children, and a migration from California since 2001 among whites who sought affordable housing as real estate costs soared.

The study also confirmed projections that a steadily growing Hispanic population will surpass whites as the state’s largest racial demographic in 2016. Hispanics are expected to become a majority of all Californians in 2042, Heim said.

A University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor predicts a new, sovereign Hispanic nation within the century, taking in the Southwest and several northern states of Mexico.

Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being “by any means necessary,” but recently said it was unlikely to be formed by civil war. Instead, its creation will be accomplished by the electoral pressure of the future majority Hispanic population in the region, he said. (1 image)

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#244. To: farmfriend (#242)

I still fail to see how even doubling our CO2 would be harmful.

The sky would fall?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-12   17:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: Original_Intent (#244)

The sky would fall?

Yes! The rich would not get richer through scamming carbon credits and controlling energy markets.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-12   17:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: farmfriend (#245)

The sky would fall?

Yes! The rich would not get richer through scamming carbon credits and controlling energy markets.

One of the things that I've discovered, other than that they are neurotic, is leftists, and at this point it is mostly leftists who support Glowbull Warming, have a real fixation on controlling people and resenting anyone having anything beyond bare subsistence (except Limousine Liberals who are a different kind of phony). I cornered a leftist friend one day and point by point destroyed Glowbull Warming - her response? "Well we need to do it anyway because man is destroying the environment." In other words she was willing to go along with a fraud because it furthered her particular set of prejudices. I found that an interesting insight into the leftist mind. They are willing to "believe" and push a Lie in other to foist their political prejudices and neurotic desire to create "social justice" (everyone living in misery).

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-12   17:38:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: Original_Intent (#246)

I found that an interesting insight into the leftist mind. They are willing to "believe" and push a Lie in other to foist their political prejudices and neurotic desire to create "social justice" (everyone living in misery).

I found the same thing when discussing logging with lefties. For them it had nothing to do with the environment. It was all about keeping logging companies from making a profit. I heard it time and again.

One of the funniest things I ever saw was an enviro group saying it was ok to log as long as they used solar powered chain saws.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-12   17:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#236)

Here, answer thes questions from WAY ABOVE in this same thread, lamer:

>> So what is it? Human population can be sustained infinitely in growth? Or is there a finite threshold, somewhere? And, if human population growth is finite, where is that threshold that may sustain humanity with a high quality of life style?

I say, with about seven BILLION people, mankind has already surpassed the capability to enjoy a good level of life style much less a high one.

I guess seventy to seven hundred billion people would be able to live on this planet if doing so properly.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-12   18:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: All (#248)

I guess seventy to seven hundred billion people would be able to live on this planet if doing so properly.

This sentence open to grammatical editing.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-12   18:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: wudidiz (#249)

Yes the subordinate conjunction if may indeed be followed by an adverbial gerund phrase, but it must be followed by a finite verb clause.

Cheers.

randge  posted on  2010-06-12   18:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: wudidiz (#248)

I guess seventy to seven hundred billion people would be able to live on this planet if doing so properly.

One of the problems with those indoctrinated into the "Club of Rome" "Limits to Growth" crowd is that they have a neurotic fixation that population necessarily leads to environmental degradation. Of course that is provable nonsense but it is one of their articles of "Faith" in the Global Religion of Scarcity. Of course according to the Club of Rome and their "Limits To Growth" Report they were projecting food riots in about 20 years ago i.e., the late 80's. Food, is as available if not more so now. Where there are food shortages it is always traceable to the political environment. Zimbabwe was a major food exporter until Robert Mugabe was put in power by the CIA and their bosses in London. Now thanks to the destruction of the farming infrastructure, runaway hyper-inflation, and driving out farmers because they were white they now have famine and must import food. India, one of the most densely populated countries on the planet, is a net exporter of food.

Time and again when something becomes scarce people develop or find alternatives. With sound management of agriculture we could easily feed 70 Billion People although with a generally high level of education and development population might actually begin to decline. The U.S. population was already declining in the 80's as the birth rate was less than the death rate. The only thing that has kept it artificially pumped up and increasing is illegal immigration.

One of things that has shown up statistically, from what I've read, is that developed first world nations with a generally higher standard of living actually tend to stabilize or decline in population. A lot of reasons have been theorized but I think the simplest is that the survival threats are not as extreme and thus the urge to reproduce to further the existence of the human race declines. Fewer threats means less urgency. So the norm becomes smaller families. If you live in a degraded society where half of the children die before adulthood then the urge to survive drives the reproductive urge.

So, the solution to global over population, which we are nowhere near, is to raise ALL standards of living for each and every person thus indirectly lowering the birth rate.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-12   18:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: Original_Intent (#241)

I have never put anyone on bozo before except to eliminate a spammers warping of a thread, but I am getting very very close.

Here is YOUR "esteemed" so-called "objective" responses on this thread.....

>Thhhhhhhpppppppppppppp!

Blow me.

ankle biter

...Go Fish.

the Chicken Little Brigades

S-U-C-K-E-R-S.

You are a phoney. You are a GODAMED liar... and you can see the same by your own comments.

You are a political HACK... something out of a grab bag ... that has no basis or foundation of scientific thought. Yet you can not answer a simple question that I posted WAY UP the thread:

So what is it? Human population can be sustained infinitely in growth? Or is there a finite threshold, somewhere? And, if human population growth is finite, where is that threshold that may sustain humanity with a high quality of life style?
I say, with about seven BILLION people, mankind has already surpassed the capability to enjoy a good level of life style much less a high one.
So, let's go back to the original article of this thread. Why do you think some college professor suggests that a new nation shall be born in the near future, encompassing the Southwest of the US and Northern Mexico? I say, it is because certain people want a high quality of lifestyle typically afforded in the Southwest of the US. And, they want to take it away from those that already have it. --buckeroo, FOUR days ago.
In effect, you are a liar and a thief. You are a goddamed BSer...

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-06-12   18:25:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: wudidiz, farmfriend, HighLairEon, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach (#249)

BTW, thanks guys for some really great posts on this interesting thread.

Only had time today to peek in from time to time. Been outdoors working on this "honey do" Saturday.

It's HOT and STICKY in Houston.

(This is a "heat island," you know.)

;)

randge  posted on  2010-06-12   18:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: Lod (#232)

Any sightings of the Wooden One lately?

Wondering what will be the Tubster's haul when the split is finalized?

Fortunately, I have not seen the windbag liar lately. And I have no idea how much he has made off gullible people. I bet it would be astounding.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-12   18:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: buckeroo (#252)

Po' beebey. Shall I call a Wahhhhhhhhmbulance for you?

I have given your question all the attention it deserves - none.

You have consistently misrepresented my position, put words in my mouth, and been an all around wanker.

G'bye BOZO.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-12   18:32:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: Original_Intent (#255)

I'll let you know if you miss anything.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-12   18:35:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: wudidiz (#256)

Thank you.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-12   18:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: Original_Intent (#257)

It might be a while.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-12   18:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: Original_Intent (#255)

As you say lamer FUCK YOU...

BTW, you can't argue your way out of a wet paper bag without a "polysyllable" you just looked upped at Dictionary.com while maintaintaining your political hack from the JBS.

You are a liar. More than that, you are a thief. His your reward based ipon you own BS....

fuck yourself.

Blow me.

ankle biter

...Go Fish.

the Chicken Little Brigades

S-U-C-K-E-R-S.

You are about as objective as a muther-fucker begging to give you an ass-WHOOPIN'..... which has been performed.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-06-12   18:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: wudidiz (#258)

That's fine. At this point I am so disgusted with that other person that I care not whether I read any of his blather again. I am tired of his stoopid "gotcha" games, misquotes, out of context quotes, and outright prevarication that it will be a cold day in hell before he comes off my "list".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-12   18:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: Original_Intent (#260)

Well, it is Saturday night you know....


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-12   18:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: James Deffenbach, Lod (#254)

Fortunately, I have not seen the windbag liar lately. And I have no idea how much he has made off gullible people. I bet it would be astounding.

He is too busy with his divorce.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-12   18:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: wudidiz (#261)

Well, it is Saturday night you know....

Yes, I catch the drift -

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-12   18:49:58 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: Original_Intent (#238)

How is economic prosperity incompatible with a clean environment?

It isn't. All the proof of that you need is to visit some third world hell hole (like Haiti for example, even before the earthquake) and look at the squalor and filth. Then compare it to any upscale neighborhood in the US or any first-world country where they take pride in their homes and communities. All the difference in the world.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-12   18:50:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: Original_Intent, All (#261)

Well, it is Saturday night you know....

Expletives, ad-homs, typos, spelling errors.

It'll probably get worse as the night progresses.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-12   18:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz (#260)

it will be a cold day in hell before he comes off my "list".

With all this global warming that may be sooner rather than later.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-12   18:53:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: Original_Intent (#244)

The sky would fall?

Oh de humanity! We mus' not be in Kansas no mo', Toto!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-12   18:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: farmfriend (#247)

One of the funniest things I ever saw was an enviro group saying it was ok to log as long as they used solar powered chain saws.

Solar-powered chain saws? Are you serious, someone actually said that? My best friend and his brothers (and their dad) were in the logging business for years. His dad has passed on but if he, or any of his boys, had heard someone say that they would have probably laughed themselves to death.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-12   19:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: randge (#253)

BTW, thanks guys for some really great posts on this interesting thread.

Only had time today to peek in from time to time. Been outdoors working on this "honey do" Saturday.

It's HOT and STICKY in Houston.

(This is a "heat island," you know.)

Thanks.

Hot and sticky in Houston in the summertime? Who woulda thunk it? ahaha. And yeah, I did know it was a "heat island." I think all of Texas is a "heat island" in the summertime.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-12   19:05:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: farmfriend (#262)

He is too busy with his divorce.

Tipper out on the loose and with all that money. Bet she will be on her back again in no time. ahaha.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-12   19:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: James Deffenbach (#268)

Solar-powered chain saws? Are you serious, someone actually said that?

Yes, I'll see if I can find a reference.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-12   19:10:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: farmfriend (#271)

I don't doubt your word. Just astounded that there are people out loose amongst us who are really that stupid.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-12   19:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: James Deffenbach (#272)

Just astounded that there are people out loose amongst us who are really that stupid.

You mean the average voter?


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-12   19:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: farmfriend (#273)

Well, yeah. Them too.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-12   19:23:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: James Deffenbach (#274)

THESE PEOPLE VOTE !!!


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-12   19:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: farmfriend (#266)

Been there. Done that.

That's a sign just before the bridge, hard by the Dam Site Inn.

Old fashioned good-old-boys bar. Bloody marys & burgers are tops.

Smitty's Dam Site Inn
4093 Patterson Lake Road
Hell, MI 48169
Phone: (734)878-9300
Fax: (734)878-3779
mail@hellmichigan.net

Stop by if you're ever out that way.

randge  posted on  2010-06-12   19:36:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: randge (#276)

Old fashioned good-old-boys bar. Bloody marys & burgers are tops.

Looks like a fun place. We'll bring the VTX and fit right in.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-06-12   19:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: farmfriend (#275)

From your link: My friends and I were on a beer run and noticed that the cases were discounted 10%. Since it was a big party, we bought 2 cases. The cashier multiplied 2 times 10% and gave us a 20% discount . . .

It is obvious they should return and buy 10 cases. Then it would be free.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-12   19:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#256)

I'll let you know if you miss anything

I'll ping one and all to my spelling errors as they are worthy of tens, perhaps even hundreds, of posts on a thread. I won't let you miss even one of them. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-12   20:21:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: farmfriend, buckeroo (#242) (Edited)

Average global temperatures in the Early Carboniferous Period were hot- approximately 20° C (68° F)

Notice anything different between then and now?

What a bunch of whack bull$hit dating back hundreds of millions of years to try to obfuscate a predicted, developing, and imminent crisis.

By a bunch of pseudo scientists whose "rebuttals" consist of statements that

(1) Things were worse hundreds of of millions of years ago when South Africa, India, Antartica, Arabia, and Austraila were all one land mass and North American mountains were partly developing under water,
(2) It hasn't been proven to the deniers' satisfaction,
(3) Making necessary changes will need "cost justification" acceptable to the deniers, and
(4) Impugn the motives of alleged government personnel while giving themselves a pass on their own motives that economic self- interest is a legitimate human motivator trumping all others.

Your deniers are the equivalent of the Tea Party wing of the academic community. Life and progress are going to go on with or without you, neither you nor they will ever amount to anything.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-12   20:51:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: farmfriend (#271) (Edited)

John Howe’s Solar Chain-Saw (and Other Inventions)

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-12   21:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: farmfriend (#271)

Solar-powered chain saws? Are you serious, someone actually said that? Yes, I'll see if I can find a reference

And the fact that a chain saw may run from solar power, stored in batteries charged by solar photovoltaic energy changes things how...

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-12   21:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: Original_Intent (#238)

You are one of those people who thinks it is a crime for anyone to live well and prosper. Much better to drag everyone down to slave state status living in the equal misery of a socialist dictatorship

Another of your many lies and distortions of anything that does not support your "individual good is supreme good," and your pipe dream that individual thoughts somehow have more substance, than the thoughts of many individuals collaborating and putting something together collectively.

Earth calling. You're in and on a planet where you're connected in many different ways with many different people and environmental factors. A simple object you buy at a retail store has likely had its components pass through many different companies, states and countries. You may attempt to block this out in your head, but that does not make it any less true. You have no inherent right to consume 10 times as many resources to promote your existence, than someone born in different conditions has to promote his or hers. Particularly if you use those resources wastefully and inefficiently because of your personal choices. Call it socialism, marxism, whatever name you please, but you will clutch your coin purse on a sinking ship, instead of trying to keep the ship afloat, at your own peril.

Oh, and by the way, who was it who originated policies of eliminating population in developing countries? Why, Henry Kissinger's Club of Rome. Contrary to your propaganda, the globalist elitists began in the 1970's trying to cull world population, not benefit it. Only when they belatedly saw that population reduction was not working or workable, did they seek policies to assist people instead of killing them off. So what we're seeing from the globalists now are decisions to do something they have no other choice.

Last but not least, when you have two parties with some connections, and one of them has all the advantages and the other has almost nothing, there's often a distinct odor of the one with the advantages taking some or all of them wrongfully, then hiding behind the law, or personal protection allowed by law, to retain them. Like it or lump it, those days are coming to an end. The new order is going to be that the more you give, the more you will receive.

How is economic prosperity incompatible with a clean environment?

Prosperity for whom? As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, population grows at a far greater rate than resources - which are mostly fixed or even decreasing. So prosperity seems to be a code word for you believing some individuals have inherent rights to more than others, and you complain when you believe outside forces like govenment attempt to shift who the individuals are with more of those rights. So you couldn't care less about inequality, only when you believe the inequality is promoted by agencies supposed to be working for the benefit of all.

We must all live a hair shirt existence in divine misery because it is just so unfair that the able are more successful than the inable

Throughout history, the success of "able" has been principally through use of force and cunning against the "inable," and has never long endured because it was never earned rightfully to begin with. Going forweard either the lesser people will be brought up, or the higher up people will be coming down. Pointing out that some of the higher level people try to preserve their status by claiming to work for the greater good, will not ultimately protect them, as Gore himself is starting to find out.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-13   2:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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