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Title: Question to 4
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Published: Jun 10, 2010
Author: me
Post Date: 2010-06-10 17:33:41 by Lod
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Comments: 30


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Should I serve on the Travis County grand jury? Thanks for your thoughts and comments.

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#11. To: Lod (#0)

Serve on it & hang it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-10   19:12:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#11)

Serve on it & hang it.

I don't think that you can hang a grand jury.

You just have to convince the others to your way of thinking.

Someone who's actually served, please weigh in here.

Thanks.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-10   19:27:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#13)

I don't think that you can hang a grand jury.

That's correct.

(I'm sure you know that) unlike petit juries (in criminal trials-civil juries also decide cases with simple majorities) grand juries work on majority votes to return "true bills" or "bills of ignoramus".

If you give the correct answers and are seated you'll soon see that the foreman (a local jeweler, Mr. Goldstein) is a state worshiping shill who has "delivered the merch" before and was placed on the jury (again) and in the chair (possibly again) to bring in true bills on everything. "He's guilty or he wouldn't be here!", a federal grand juror in Philly once told a friend of mine. This suggests a belief in the infallibility of the system, but the very existence of citizen juries is proof that the founders believed that this thinking was bull deux deux.

If you choose to oppose an indictment make sure you aren't alone. (unless after you've established your creds as fair and knowledgeable you feel confident that you can roll a few others)

Once typecast as "anti govt" none of the others will vote with you again. In fact, if you let someone else raise objections first then make compelling arguments you'll stay under wraps longer.

There may be many indictments in which the jury is split, and that's fine. Just make sure that you aren't alone in dissenting on any one case. (And if asked you've never even heard of the FIJA)

A silly as it is some cowardly people actually worry about retaliation if they swim upstream and frustrate the crooked lawyers and judges. And, they'll view a rogue juror as a Judas goat leading them to "slaughter" (i.e. tax audits, being followed by police, etc.,.)

Be very deferential to the state. It's fine to say, "I believe that the officer is lying." But, don't say, "Cops perjure themselves every day!" It's absolutely true but it's also "sacrilegious".

If you choose to "go for broke" to protect an innocent victim from malicious prosecution and you have to fight the foreman, you can say that he is there to serve the state and you are there to serve the constitution. You may also ask if he's the foreman now because he brought in true bills on everything in the past, and imply that he (or she) may be too cowardly to disappoint a prosecutor and the judge who appointed her or him.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-06-10   20:23:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: HOUNDDAWG, 4 (#20)

Be very deferential to the state. It's fine to say, "I believe that the officer is lying." But, don't say, "Cops perjure themselves every day!" It's absolutely true but it's also "sacrilegious".

Funny.

I'd forgotten the last petit jury selection that dismissed me.

One of the lawyers asked this herd of people if we thought that cops would lie on the stand.

Finally, I raised my hand, was recognized, and asked, Can you say Mark Furman?

After the courtroom was finally gaveled to order, I was told that I was excused, and my $6.00 check for service would be in the mail.

That was my last jury summons.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-10   21:02:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Lod (#23)

I'd forgotten the last petit jury selection that dismissed me.

One of the lawyers asked this herd of people if we thought that cops would lie on the stand.

Finally, I raised my hand, was recognized, and asked, Can you say Mark Furman?

After the courtroom was finally gaveled to order, I was told that I was excused, and my $6.00 check for service would be in the mail.

That was my last jury summons.

HAH!

You know the old axiom:

"Who serves on jury duty? 12 people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty."

This is supposed to sound like a bitter complaint but in fact lawyers want stoopids on juries for the very reason you underscored-smart people/experienced jurors often know when the system is manipulated by the attorneys, and stoopids will respond to the judge's command presence and the favored attorney's charisma.

Those who are anxious to serve are also struck with preemptive challenges. (You can't volunteer for jury duty-some would be full time if allowed just to get paid, and they'd convict every time just to keep coming back) They know their power and aren't afraid to use it especially if they have axes to grind.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-06-10   21:49:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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