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Title: Lindsey Williams on Rense Now
Source: Here
URL Source: http://Youbetcha.yup
Published: Jun 14, 2010
Author: Some Radio Listener
Post Date: 2010-06-14 23:12:48 by Original_Intent
Keywords: None
Views: 688
Comments: 82

Lindsey William is currently on Rense - says new info.

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#1. To: Original_Intent (#0)

listening...

christine  posted on  2010-06-14   23:16:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#1)

:-)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-14   23:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)

: P

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-14   23:21:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine, Original_Intent (#1)

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-14   23:22:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: abraxas (#3)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-14   23:28:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#5)

Derb nub it!!!! That's just wrong. You know I don't know how to put little smiley faces on my posts......for crying out loud I can't even post a live link. You are mocking the techology impaired. You are kicking the techonology disabled in a time of need. Shame on you, OI.

Not to mention, stealing my thunder............ *^%$#$##$%%%$!!! lol.....

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-14   23:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: abraxas (#6)

*^%$#$##$%%%$!!! lol.....

Photobucket

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-14   23:44:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#0) (Edited)

Server not found

Firefox can't find the server at youbetcha.yup.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-14   23:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Original_Intent (#7)

More mockery? How much can one little gal endure? Have you no compassion? No sypmathy for the technology impaired? More smiley faces for the technology challenged? As James is fond of saying: Oh, de humanity!!

Derb nub it, OI.........respect my authority!!! lol

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-14   23:48:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: wudidiz (#8)

Firefox can't find the server at youbetcha.yup.

Maybe if you tried Sarah Palin's website?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-14   23:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#10)

Nope. Didn't work either.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: abraxas (#9)

Derb nub it, OI.........respect my authority!!! lol

Just don't chew up that Corn Cob Pipe. Photobucket

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   0:01:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: wudidiz (#11)

Nope. Didn't work either.

Hmmm? Scratch Head

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   0:04:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#13)

I had to actually type r-e-n-s-e-.-c-o-m and press enter.

A nuke would work. I'm sure of it.

Drill beside the old well. Drop the nuke down a mile or more. Fill the hole with cement. Get everyone far away from there. Press the big red button on the remote control. This will create a hole within the rock and pinch the old well shut.

It will work.

Problem is, they don't want it to work. They wanted this mess.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#12)

Just don't chew up that Corn Cob Pipe.

Oh, great, now your are telling me what I can and cannot chew. Leave me and my corn cob pipe alone.

Takes me back to my youth...........

< param name="allowFullScreen" value="true">

And now, I'm going to............light it up. lol I don't like to waste tabakey........light er' up!! Oh man, the wind's blowin'..........lol Maybe I Pput too much tabakey in it.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   0:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: wudidiz, Original Intent (#14)

Hmmmmmmmm...........you would have no problems had you instructed your good friend Ab on the way to post a live link.

You and OI are just tryin' to keep a technology impaired cracka down........

Yeah, I'll await more of those derbed nub smiley faces while I puff, puff, give on my corn cob pipe.

: P

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   0:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent, All (#14)

They wanted this mess.

Not so sure about that.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: abraxas (#16)


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:22:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: wudidiz (#14)

It will work.

Problem is, they don't want it to work. They wanted this mess.

Actually while I lean toward thinking this was intentional I also think a nuke is a crap shoot. The problem is that while yes it could seal the hole that is only one of several possible outcomes. However, it also could fracture the seabed more and/or trigger some severe seismic events along the New Madrid Seismic Zone. You might recall, as I pointed out in the last "Oilpocalypse", that the New Madrid Fault produced the worst earthquake in North America in the last five or six hundred years. The fault Zone extends out into the Gulf and the region and is geologically, physically, connected. The entire thriving town of New Madrid was wiped out in the 1812 event. As well even if it seals the current shaft it appears that the high pressure event has created other pathways for the oil to come out.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   0:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: wudidiz (#18) (Edited)

Salt in the wound? Wud, I'm appalled by the emoticon on that post.

Oh, de humanity!! Woe is me!! My heart is breaking with all of this blatant internet supiority to keep a the technology impaired down.

RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!!!!!!! lol

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   0:27:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: abraxas, all (#16)

the way to post a live link

HTML Sandbox


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#19)

Actually while I lean toward thinking this was intentional I also think a nuke is a crap shoot. The problem is that while yes it could seal the hole that is only one of several possible outcomes. However, it also could fracture the seabed more and/or trigger some severe seismic events along the New Madrid Seismic Zone. You might recall, as I pointed out in the last "Oilpocalypse", that the New Madrid Fault produced the worst earthquake in North America in the last five or six hundred years. The fault Zone extends out into the Gulf and the region and is geologically, physically, connected. The entire thriving town of New Madrid was wiped out in the 1812 event. As well even if it seals the current shaft it appears that the high pressure event has created other pathways for the oil to come out.

Please refer to post #17 first.

I doubt a nuke would trigger an earthquake. I think it is something the earth itself has to do. I think it would require more force than a nuke to shift the plates or fault.

Especially if the nuke is detonated a mile or more below the ocean bottom.

If the nuke was detonated and the well pinched below the leak, it wouldn't matter if oil was still leaking through the other places. It would stop.

I also don't believe any hollow chambers would 'collapse'.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: wudidiz (#21)

a HREF="http://www.renseradio.com/listenlive.htm

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   0:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent, All (#22)

These two on Rense don't know what they're talking about re the nuke.

If they can drill a well like they did and obviously they can, they can drill another one beside it and insert a nuke into it.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: wudidiz (#21)

Note the epic failure two posts down........hanging head in shame. Excuse me while I go off, alone and isolated, to lick my wounds. lol

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   0:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: abraxas (#23)

a HREF="http://www.renseradio.com/listenlive.htm

LOL

You're funny.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: abraxas (#25)

Did you put any of these thingys?

"<" or ">"

?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:49:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: wudidiz (#24)

If they can drill a well like they did and obviously they can, they can drill another one beside it and insert a nuke into it.

Problem is the geology of the seafloor even IF they could get that nuke down at warp speed.......which means Christmas time.

I think they have drilled into batholith......game changer.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   0:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: wudidiz (#27)

Did you put any of these thingys?

"<" or ">"

?

No, the instructions didn't mention THOSE things.........

Sheesh, I'm supposed to intuit the correct way to post a hyperlink? Don't you think I would have mastered this task long ago if it were merely an intuitive exercise? On the link, they speak of a hyperlink button.......an illusive little bastard IMHO. I've searched the toolbox over.......no luck. Sigh.

All I can say is......&^%$##%%^^$###%^%#$###$%#$##!!!!!!!!!!

and : P in lieu of an emoticon........

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   0:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: abraxas (#28)

geology of the seafloor

What do you mean?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: abraxas (#29)

they speak of a hyperlink button....

Oh yes, the elusive hyperlink button.

This is often found above "The text you wish to Quote: " and immediately to the right of the "Make blank lines new paragraphs" box.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   0:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: wudidiz (#30)

geology of the seafloor

I mean that stability in use of a nuke is HIGHLY illusive. A nuke could open it up with no end in sight. It's solid in the form in which it naturally occurs, but breaking it up opens pandoras box.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   1:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: wudidiz (#31) (Edited)

"The text you wish to Quote: "

I have never seen this quote.......derb nub it.

Anyways, I felt this "new" info on Rense Radio was a dud.....

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   1:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas (#32)

geology of the seafloor

I mean that stability in use of a nuke is HIGHLY illusive. A nuke could open it up with no end in sight. It's solid in the form in which it naturally occurs, but breaking it up opens pandoras box.

You are hereby charged with overuse and mispelling of the word elusive.

just kidding.

But seriously, if the nuke was surrounded by miles of granite, I doubt there would be anything happening other than the old well being pinched.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   1:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: abraxas (#33)

"The text you wish to Quote: "

I have never seen this quote.......derb nub it.

Anyways, I felt this "new" info on Rense Radio was a dud.....

I too grow weary of rense radio.

The "The text you wish to Quote:" should appear plainly when you go to respond to this post, no?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   1:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: wudidiz (#34)

You are hereby charged with overuse and mispelling of the word elusive.

Oh no, are you going to ping Bucky to my spelling faux pax? lol

I hereby submit myself to forty lashings with a wet towel and another beer. ; )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   1:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas (#36)

I hereby submit myself to forty lashings with a wet towel...

Do you need help?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   1:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: wudidiz (#35)

The "The text you wish to Quote:" should appear plainly when you go to respond to this post, no?

LOL........why yes, but I was looking for a button on MY computer.

Excuse me while I have a good laugh at myself.........

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   1:08:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas (#38)

LOL........why yes, but I was looking for a button on MY computer.

Excuse me while I have a good laugh at myself.........

LOL, may I join you?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   1:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: wudidiz (#37)

Do you need help?

What is this? You don't trust me to inflict self punishment? ; )

You think that the technolgy impaired are incapable of a simply forty lashings with a wet towel? In my defense, I CAN walk and listen to an MP3 player at the same time.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   1:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: wudidiz (#39)

LOL, may I join you?

Oh sure........why not add an emoticon as a little salt in my wound. hehehehe

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   1:11:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: abraxas (#40)

I CAN walk and listen to an MP3 player at the same time.

That's a start... ; )


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   1:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: wudidiz (#24)

If they can drill a well like they did and obviously they can, they can drill another one beside it and insert a nuke into it.

True, but he was mentioning the same concern I have - which is that we don't know what it will do to the seafloor geologic structure, and that oil and gas are coming up at unprecedented pressures. 20,000 to 70,000 PSI are pressures you only find in a steam turbine. If it collapses the sea floor then stand by to stand by - because that means tsunamis and again the likelihood of setting off the New Madrid Fault into a 7+ earthquake. More remote, but not impossible, would be a reopening of the Reelfoot rift which is a weak spot in the North American Tectonic Plate, which could separate thus opening a sea channel from the Gulf all the way up into Canada and effectively dividing the continent.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   1:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: wudidiz (#42) (Edited)

This was another epic failure at hyperlink......

I know, I'm putting myself up for ridicule, but honesty is always my policy.

^%$#$#%%%&^&%!!!! ; )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   1:14:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Original_Intent (#43)

What if the nuke was say, 5 miles below the sea floor surrounded by miles of granite?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   1:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: abraxas (#44)

Just copy/paste the url into the box (either box). check the little "Auto Hyperlink Web Addresses" box.

click 'preview'

click 'this looks good post it'


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   1:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: wudidiz, abraxas (#45) (Edited)

What if the nuke was say, 5 miles below the sea floor surrounded by miles of granite?

Granite transmits seismic waves just fine - it is very dense and has a crystalline structure. Part of the problem is that we don't know how much of the oil has been evacuated from the underlying chamber. With a mile column of seawater on top of it there is already a lot of weight on the underlying rock structure. If you crack that support structure, and the underlying chamber has evacuate enough, then you could have the seafloor crack, opening new vents for the oil to get out, and the settling of the bottom downward is going to be a "vigorous event" i.e., earthquakes, tsunamis, you know - the usual when you have a catastrophic failure of an area of the earth's crust. That is even before we consider the possibility of opening a magma chamber and having tons of seawater hit molten rock in one big burst. It could create an explosion as big as another nuke.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   1:23:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Original_Intent (#47) (Edited)

[see next post]


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   1:36:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Original_Intent (#47)

Granite transmits seismic waves just fine - it is very dense and has a crystalline structure. Part of the problem is that we don't know how much of the oil has been evacuated from the underlying chamber. With a mile column of seawater on top of it there is already a lot of weight on the underlying rock structure. If you crack that support structure, and the underlying chamber has evacuate enough, then you could have the seafloor crack, opening new vents for the oil to get out, and the settling of the bottom downward is going to be a "vigorous event" i.e., earthquakes, tsunamis, you know - the usual when you have a catastrophic failure of an area of the earth's crust. That is even before we consider the possibility of opening a magma chamber and having tons of seawater hit molten rock in one big burst. It could create an explosion as big as another nuke.

I think I see what you're saying. I disagree. I think each of these things by themselves are very unlikely. The more of these possibilities you add, the more unlikely they become.

I wish I could draw a picture or better, that you could watch the video of how the Russians did it successfully many times.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   1:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Original_Intent (#49)

OI...

just a tiny nuke.

; )


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   1:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: abraxas (#29)

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-15   2:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: abraxas, wudidiz (#29)

sorry, i tried to show you the code but it didn't work. you can see what i posted if you look at PAGE, then VIEW SOURCE, . that allows you to view the html source. html is very easy. as follows, just replace a bracket where the parentasis are : ( a href=''http://urlExample.html'')c ick here(/a)

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-15   2:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: wudidiz (#50) (Edited)

I'm going to try again. This is a Gerald Celente interview on Rockwell.

www.lewrockwell.com/lewro.../153-we-aint-seen-nothin- yet-2/

Yippie!!!!!!! She shoots........she scores........the sweet smell of victory wafting up into her nostrils.

Next, I will master emoticon 101. : )

PS THANK YOU for helping the technology impaired!!

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   12:11:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Artisan (#52)

sorry, i tried to show you the code but it didn't work.

Thank you Artisan. : )

I was actually complicating the effort. Next time I'll try to KISS. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   12:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: abraxas (#53)

Yay!!


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   12:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: abraxas (#53)

On 2010-06-15 12:11:00, abraxas wrote:

To: wudidiz

You posted your first link at 9:11....

trippy.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   12:25:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: wudidiz (#56)

You posted your first link at 9:11....

trippy.

That is trippy. : )

.......usually I'm a triple number person, of course no chance of that at the 9 o'clock hour. Do you check the time on triples? I can't be the lone ranger on that odd synchronicity.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   12:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#56)

I found a very interesting bit of information relating to our thread discussion of a nuke, the seafloor, what's really going on and the problems to consider....

Petroleum Engineer -Gulf Oil Rig Intentionally Sabotaged

June 15, 2010

I CALLED THE ALEX JONES SHOW ON JUNE 10, 2010, TO SHARE SOME TRUTHS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE GULF OIL DISASTER.

LINDSEY WILLIAMS WAS ON THE SHOW SHARING INFORMATION THAT HE RECIEVED FROM HIS ILLUMANTI FRIEND. THIS WAS WHEN MY CALL WAS TAKEN. AS I STATED, I WAS A PETROLEUM ENGINEER AND WORKED FOR HALLIBURTON AND BJ HUGHES ( THE OIL AND GAS SIDE OF HOWARD HUGHES COMPANIES). AS SOON AS THE GULF INCIDENT HAPPENED I TOLD MY WIFE AND FRIENDS THAT THIS WAS A SET-UP. GOLDMAN SACHS SELLING THEIR BP SHARES DAYS BEFORE THE DISASTER, NOT TO MENTION THE HEAD OF BP SELLING OVER A THIRD (3rd)OF HIS STOCK. WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT UNLESS THEY HAD INSIDE INFORMATION. LINDSEY WILLIAMS ILLUMINATI FRIEND CLAIMS THAT IT WAS AN UNFORESEEN ACCIDENT. BALONEY !! EVEN HIS "FRIEND" DOSEN'T SHARE THE WHOLE TRUTH. STATE PENSION FUNDS ARE LOADED WITH OIL AND GAS COMPANY STOCKS. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN NOW ? PEOPLE BOYCOTTING BP GAS STATIONS AND BP'S STOCKS ARE GOING DOWN WORLDWIDE.

NOW, ABOUT THE DRILLING DEPTH..... WHAT WAS BEING TOLD TO THE MEDIA AND OTHERS WAS A LIE. THEY STATED THAT THE DEPTH WAS 13,000 FEET PLUS 5,000 FEET OF WATER. WE HAVE SINCE BEEN TOLD THAT IT IS 30,000 FEET BELOW THE SEA BED. THE RIG BLOWING-UP AND CATCHING FIRE, WAS A CLUE THAT ALERTED ME THAT THINGS BEING TOLD WERE NOT ACCURATE. THERE WAS A MAJOR COVER-UP GOING ON.

IT WAS REPORTED THAT AROUND 11:00 am, THE TOOL-PUSHER (THE MAN IN CHARGE OF THE RIG) HAD A HEATED ARGUEMENT WITH THE OIL COMPANY REPS. ABOUT USING (SALT WATER) INSTEAD OF DRILLING MUD TO DRILL THE WELL DEEPER. DRILLING MUD IS USED BECAUSE THE WEIGHT OF IT CAN BE ADJUSTED BASED ON THE PRESSURES THAT YOU COME UP AGAINST WHEN DRILLING. THE DEEPER YOU GO, SOMETIMES YOU WILL HIT GAS POCKETS AND THE WEIGHT OF THE MUD PLUS HOW MUCH OF IT IS IN THE PIPE CREATES HYDRO- STATIC WEIGHT AND THIS HELPS PREVENT BLOW-OUTS. THEN ABOUT 11:00pm, OR ELEVEN HOURS LATER THE RIG EXPLODED KILLING (11) ELEVEN RIG HANDS. 11, 11, 11, STRANGE.....

THEN THERE ARE ALSO BLOW-OUT PREVENTERS, CHECK VALVES AND MANY OTHER THINGS THAT TOOL-PUSHERS CAN USE TO MAKE SURE BLOW-OUTS DON'T HAPPEN. IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE BLOW-OUT PREVENTERS FAILED ...THAT THEY COULDN'T GET TO THE BUTTON TO ACTIVATE IT. THAT IS BULL. THERE ARE GAS SNIFFERS AND ALL SORTS OF PRECAUTIONARY DEVICES THAT ARE ON THESE RIGS. THESE ARE CHECKED DAILY BY THE CREWS AND HAVE TO BE SIGNED OFF ON WHEN THEY WERE INSPECTED AND WHO DID IT.

A TOOL-PUSHER DOESN'T GET TO THAT POSITION UNLESS HE HAS WORKED ON RIGS FOR YEARS AND STARTED FROM THE BOTTOM UP, AND KNOWS EVERY JOB ON THE RIG. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE LISTENED TO THE COMPANY REP OR ANYONE ELSE WHEN IT CAME TO SAFETY OF HIMSELF, HIS MEN AND THE RIG. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE 11 OTHER MEN ASKED TO LEAVE THE RIG AND THEY BROUGHT IN 11 REPLACEMENTS. BP PUT MONEY AND PROFIT AHEAD OF SAFETY. THERE WERE REPORTS OF PROBLEMS 3 TO 4 DAYS BEFORE THE WELL BLEW-OUT. THEY OR SOMEONE WANTED THIS TO HAPPEN. EVERYTHING WAS PURPOSELY DONE TO CAUSE THIS DISASTER.

YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT AT 5,000 FEET DOWN IN WATER YOU HAVE UNBELIEVEABLE PRESURE THAT CAN CRUSH SUBMARINES, PLUS THE TEMPATURE LEVELS AT THAT DEPTH CAN BE AS LOW AS BEING ON MT. EVEREST. EXAMPLE : THEIR FIRST TOP KILL FAILED BECAUSE THE CONCRET FROZE AND THE CAP BROKE APART BECAUSE OF THE FACTS STATED ABOVE. ANYONE WHO HAS DRILLED IN THE GULF SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE CONCRETE WOULD FREEZE AT THAT DEPTH. WHILE ALL OF THIS PLAYING AROUND IS GOING ON, THE WELL HEAD (OR WHAT IS LEFT IT) IS GETTING BIGGER BECAUSE THE SEDIMENT AND SAND COMING OUT OF THE WELL HEAD IS ACTING AS A SANDBLASTER IF YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING, THE PRESURE AT THE WELL HEAD HAS NOT DECREASED BUT IS GETTING STRONGER EVEN THOUGH THE HOLE IS GETTING BIGGER. IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. LIKE PUTTING A NOZZEL ON YOUR WATER HOSE. SMALLER HOLE, MORE PRESURE, LARGER HOLE, LESS PRESURE. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING....

LINDSEY WILLIAMS STATED THAT WHEN THEY STARTED TO PUMP MUD DOWN TO KILL THE WELL, THAT THEY WERE USING 30,000 HORSE POWER PUMPS AND THEY CAME TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A CRACK OR SEPARTION OF THE PIPE DOWN HOLE, ( IN THE SEA FLOOR ) AND THE MUD FRACTURED THE SEA BED MORE THAN WHAT WAS ALREADY DONE BY THE BLOWOUT. THAT PIPE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CEMENTED IN FROM THE SEA BED DOWN TO WHAT EVER DEPTH THEY HAD SET THE PIPE BEFORE DRILLING DOWN FURTHER. ALSO NO "O" RINGS WERE PUT IN THE PIPE TO SEAL THE PIPE CONNECTIONS. THIS STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN. THEY CUT CORNERS DELIBERATELY AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. SURVIVOR INTERVIEWS STATED THAT THEY TALKED SAFETY FIRST BUT, PUSHED THEM TO CUT TIME AND COST OR THEY WERE OFF THE RIG.

LINDSEY WILLIAMS ALSO STATED THAT HE WAS TOLD IT WAS LIKE A SPIDER WEB OF FRACTURES IN THE SEA BED AND AS MANY AS SIX (6) PLUMES COMING FROM FISSURES IN THE SEA FLOOR. THAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY (FRACKED) BROKE OPEN THE SEA FLOOR WHEN THE WELL BLEW OUT AND THEN EVEN MORE WHEN THEY PUMPED DOWN ALL THAT MUD THAT WENT OUT THROUGH THE BROKEN OR CRACKED PIPE APPROX. 1000 FEET BELOW THE SEA FLOOR THUS CAUSING THE SPIDER WEB OF FRACTURES TO INCREASE AND SPREAD OUT ALLOWING MORE GAS AND OIL TO COME TO THE SURFACE OF THE SEA FLOOR.

ALL THE WHILE BP HAS BEEN USING HIGHLY TOXIC DISPERSANTS TO HIDE HOW BAD THE DISASTER TRULY IS. NO UP CLOSE REPORTERS, NO FLY ZONES OVER THE GULF, AND PRIVATE SECURITY PEOPLE RUNNING OFF ANYONE WITH A CAMERA OR ASKING QUESTIONS, AND THREATENING WITH ARREST. DOESN'T LOOK TRANSPARENT TO ME.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE TAPPED INTO ABIOTIC OIL WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF GASES WITH IT. THE PRESURE THAT IS PUSHING THIS OUT OF THE HOLE IS COMING FROM NEAR THE CENTER OF THE EARTH. IT IS LIKE A LARGE OIL AND GAS RESEVOIR THAT KEEPS REPLENTISHING ITSELF SITTING ON TOP OF A VOLCANO. THAT'S WHY THE PRESURE DOESN'T DECREASE. LINDSEY WILLIAMS STATED THAT HE WAS TOLD THAT THIS PRESURE WAS 70,000 PSI ( PER SQUARE INCH )WHEN THE WELL BLEW.

THERE HAS BEEN TALK OF A NUCULAR OPTION. LINDSEY WILLIAMS STATED THAT THEY WERE CONSIDERING GOING DOWN ONE OF THE TWO (2) ANGLED RELIEF WELLS THEY ARE DRILLING. THESE RELIEF WELL ARE ONLY GOING TO MAKE THINGS WORSE BECUSE BY DRILLING THEM YOU ARE GOING TO WIDEN THE ALREADY FRACTURED SEA BED. IN OTHER SITUATIONS WHEN A RELIEF WELL(S)WERE DRILLED, IT WOULD BE DRILLED TO HELP RELIEVE THE PRESURE OF A BLOWN OUT WELL WHICH HAD DRILLED INTO A RESERVOIR.

THIS IS NOT A RESERVIOR...... AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A RESERVIOR .....

RUSSIA HAS DRILLED SEVERAL SUPER DEEP WELLS AND HAS RUN INTO SIMILAR PROBLEMS. RUSSIA HAS USED THE NUCLEAR OPTION SUCCESSFULLY, BUT THAT WAS NOT THROUGH 5000 FEET OF WATER, THE DRILLING WAS DONE ON GROUND. WHAT THEY DID TO CORRECT THEIR PROBLEM WILL NOT WORK FOR BP BECAUSE THEY HAVE 5000 FEET OF WATER, PLUS THE WATER PRESURE, THE COLD TEMPERATURES, WELL HEAD PRESURES, AND ALL WORK BEING DONE BY ROBOTICS.

IF THEY WERE TO SET OFF A NUCLEAR BLAST TO CLOSE OFF THIS RUPTURE - THINGS WOULD GO FROM BAD TO WORSE. YOU COULD IGNITE THE GASES AND OIL AND BLOW OPEN THE SEA FLOOR, WHICH COULD CAUSE THE EARTH TO SHIFT OR CAUSE A WOBBLE, OR POSSIBLY A TSUNAMI. WITH ALL THE EARTH QUAKES AND ACTIVE VOLCANOS WE'VE GOT GOING ON... THEN ADD TO THAT THE TECTONIC PLATES BEING AT THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER... YOU HAVE A MAJOR WORLDWIDE PROBLEM.

THIS WILL NEVER BE FIXED....

I HAVE SUGGESTED BUILDING A HUGE FUNNEL AND TURN IT UPSIDE DOWN ( LIKE THE TIN MAN'S HAT ) AND PLACE IT OVER THE WELL HEAD. ATTACTCH PIPE TO THE SPOUT AND ALLOW THE WELL TO BLOW THE OIL AND GAS UP. ONCE THE GAS AND OIL REACHES THE SURFACE; OIL GOES INTO THE TANKERS... GAS GETS BURNED OFF. YOU COULD MAKE THIS FUNNEL OUT IF NON-RIP PLASTIC OR WHATEVER, AND USE THE SUBMURGEABLES TO TAKE IT DOWN TO THE SEA FLOOR AND OVER THE WELL.

IF IT WASN'T FOR THE FACT THAT THE FIRST TRUMPET JUDGEMENT HASN'T HAPPENED, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS WAS THE SECOND TRUMPET JUDGEMENT THAT STATED: A GREAT MOUNTAIN BURNING WITH FIRE WAS CAST INTO THE SEA: AND THE THIRD PART OF THE SEA BECAME BLOOD: AND A THIRD PART OF THE CREATURES WHICH WERE IN THE SEA, AND HAD LIFE, DIED; AND THE THIRD PART OF THE SHIPS WERE DESTROYED.

I AM SURE THAT I HAVE PROBABLY LEFT SOME THINGS OUT BUT IT'S LATE AND I'M TIRED. I HOPE PEOPLE CAN GET A PICTURE OF HOW BAD THINGS TRULY ARE AND THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE FOR THE BETTER ANYTIME SOON.

PASTOR FROM OHIO

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   12:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Original_Intent (#43)

True, but he was mentioning the same concern I have - which is that we don't know what it will do to the seafloor geologic structure, and that oil and gas are coming up at unprecedented pressures. 20,000 to 70,000 PSI are pressures you only find in a steam turbine. If it collapses the sea floor then stand by to stand by - because that means tsunamis and again the likelihood of setting off the New Madrid Fault into a 7+ earthquake. More remote, but not impossible, would be a reopening of the Reelfoot rift which is a weak spot in the North American Tectonic Plate, which could separate thus opening a sea channel from the Gulf all the way up into Canada and effectively dividing the continent.

I wonder if the lost continent of Atlantis ever faced this dilemma, To nuke or not to nuke? I'll bet that they nuked.

angK  posted on  2010-06-15   12:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent (#56)

Another intersting find, this one in relation to Richard C. Hoagland interview on Coast to Coast......

Gulf Coast Explosive Tsunami

June 15, 2010 Hawk

LAST NIGHT ON COAST TO COAST AM , RICHARD C. HOAGLAND, CITING INSIDER SOURCES IN BP AND IN U.S. GOVERNMENT, SAID THAT A GAS BUBBLE APPROXIMATELY 15-20 MILES ACROSS 10+ FEET HIGH NEAR THE WELL HEAD OF THE BP GULF WELL , HAD FORMED AND THAT IT MAY CAUSE A MASSIVE EXPLOSION WITHIN WEEKS OR MONTHS.

HE SAID THAT THE PRESSURE AT THE WELL WAS 100,000 PSI AND THAT WHEN THE GAS EXPLODES , IT WOULD BE LIKE A MT. ST. HELENS GOING OFF UNDERWATER THAT WOULD CREATE A HUGE TSUNAMI THAT WOULD TRAVEL AT 400-600 MPH , SINK ALL VESSELS WITHIN MILES, DRIVE THE OIL , HAZARDOUS DISPERSANTS, AND GASSES INLAND WITHIN MINUTES.

HE DESCRIBED FLORIDA MAY IN FACT GET THE BRUNT OF IT WHEN IT BLOWS THOUGH OTHER STATES WOULD BE AFFECTED AS WELL AND THAT THE PEOPLE ALONG THE GULF HAD BETTER BE TOLD BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT SOON AS IT IS LIKELY THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL NEED TO EVACUATE THEM TO PROTECT THEM FROM THE MASSIVE EXPLOSION AND TSUNAMI AS WELL AS THE HEALTH HAZZARDS OF THE OIL, DISPERSANTS, AND GASSES. HE WAS HIGHLY CRITICAL OF OBAMA DOWN THERE EATING SEAFOOD AND PROMISING A CLEAN-UP , WHILE IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS A WAR SITUATION. HE CONCURS THAT WITH THE ABIOTIC POSSIBILITIES THAT IF THIS BLOWS THAT OIL COULD FLOW FOREVER .

THIS IS ANOTHER SLANT ON WHY AN EVACUATION OF 40 MILLION PEOPLE ALONG THE GULF IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN SOON.

AS I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY THE GULF MILITARY COMMAND IS GIVING MULTIPLE MESSAGES OF EXTREMLY LONG LENGTH ON THE INTEROPERABILITY TRUNKING COMM SYSTEM.....PERHAPS SELECTIVELY TO CONTAIN THE WHOLE TRUTH WITHIN COMPARTMENTS. I ALSO GOT FROM A SOURCE THAT THE COAST GUARD IS NOW IN THE PROCESS OF CALLING UP ANY FORMER COAST GUARD OFFICERS, AND SEAMEN ...OFFERING ENTICEMENTS TO COME BACK INTO SERVICE QUICKLY. ALSO ACTUAL MEASUREMENTS AT VENICE , LA. AND AT NEW IBERIA, LA. ARE SHOWING HEALTH ENDANGERING LEVELS OF TOXIC HYDROGEN SULFIDES AND BENZENE GASSES.

THIS EVAC WILL HAVE TO COME SOON OR MILLIONS WILL MOST LIKELY DIE. THEN AGAIN, WHEN THE MARTIAL LAW NECESSARY FOR THIS EVAC BEGINS , IT IS LIKELY TO BEGIN THE CIVIL WAR II IN AMERICA AND WILL COLLAPSE THE BANKING SYSTEM AND LIKELY MUCH OF THE FEDERAL , STATE, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL STRUCTURES. ORDO AB CHAO..........WELL, CHAOS IS COMING PERHAPS AT 400-600 MILES PER HOUR. THE LUCIFERIANS WILL BE GETTING THEIR BLOOD SACRIFICE. THERE IS POWER IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   12:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: angK (#59)

I wonder if the lost continent of Atlantis ever faced this dilemma, To nuke or not to nuke? I'll bet that they nuked.

I think it went under in a pole shift.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   12:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: angK, wuddiz (#59)

I wonder if the lost continent of Atlantis ever faced this dilemma, To nuke or not to nuke? I'll bet that they nuked.

While my various arcane readings lead me to believe they did have nukes it was more likely the misuse of Scalar Weapons, like HAARP, which set off the fault causing Atlantis, or Poisedonis as some call it, to subside into the depths. However, based on all the legends and incomplete fragments it would seem that they did effectively bring the whole world down with them.

However, this reinforces my existing fears that the use of a nuke could set off a tectonic event resulting in re-opening the Reelfoot rift and literally splitting North America into two. And God help us I think the bastards are going to do it. People miss the point in thinking this is about oil. No, it is about the occultic beliefs held by the elites and their insane actions to make them reality.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   12:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: abraxas (#61)

There may have been a Pole Shift but I think if there was that it was triggered by the Atlanteans and their misuse of technology.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   12:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: abraxas, Original_Intent, all (#60)

Thank you.

I think they can do it. Nuke the well shut that is.

Just because it's difficult and there are risks doesn't mean it won't work

I think it would work.

Only in the way I described before, above in this thread.

They went very deep and found an endless supply.

Notice how the price of gas never dropped?

Fuckers.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   13:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: wudidiz (#64) (Edited)

And I think you are being overly-optimistic as the evidence surfacing is telling us a lot of things.

For one the leak is no longer contained to the drill shaft. And you aren't getting it as far as the tectonic forces the equilibrium of which could be completely destroyed by the use of a nuke. Those tectonic forces which are now more or less stable contain more energy bound up than an arsenal of "little" nukes.

Neither scenario is a certainty, but after looking over the geology of the region, combined with the multiple seeps springing up as offshoots of this shaft I am beginning to wonder if there is anything that can be done to seal it short of a tectonic realignment, and if that occurs it will kill millions of people and displace millions more.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   13:09:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Original_Intent (#63)

There may have been a Pole Shift but I think if there was that it was triggered by the Atlanteans and their misuse of technology.

From my reading, pole shifts occur naturally. It has to do with the cycle that the earth makes through this solar system, approaching the galactic center as it is approaching now. Interestingly, this cycle accounts for many phenomenons, not just pole shifts, such as ice ages, meteors hitting the earth, increases in solar flares, tectonic plate shifts, increased volcanic activity.

From the Journal of Science March 29, 2002:

Using a high-sensitivity magnetometer to measure remnant magnetization of marine sediments, we obtained a continuous record of variations in strength and inclination of magnetic field that have occured in the past 2.3 million years. Frequency analysis of this record has led to the discovery of a long-term peiodic component of 100,000 years. The 100,000 year period of variation corresponds with variation in the eccentricity of Earth's orbit and the period of glacial/interglacial cycles. Therefore, magnetic field changes must be understood within the context of variations in the Earth system.

This correlates with the basic premise of the Milankovitch theory, which postulated in the 1940's:

The cyclical variations in the Earth's orbit around the sun result in the Earth receiving varying amounts of solar radiation that, in turn, control the climate. This explanation is under dispute because the variations of the solar energy in relation to the changes in orbit are very small.

The Earth has a 100,000 year cycle of eccentricity or deviation form a circular orbit that creates a shift in magnetic poles naturally. : )

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abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   13:14:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Original_Intent (#65)

And I think you are being overly-optimistic as the evidence surfacing is telling us a lot of things.

I agree.

However, it seems we are not understanding each other.

1. I'm talking about placing the nuke far below any leak.

2. I'm not sure at all that detonating it so far below the surface would have any significant effect on the tectonic plates because the blast would be contained within miles of solid rock.


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wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   13:16:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: abraxas (#66) (Edited)

The best book on the subject, forward by Albert Einstein, is the late Professor Charles Hapgood's "The Path of The Pole". The mainstream academic Uniformitarians hate him, and have erected any number of Strawmen to refute his thesis, but to date have not really been able to do so.

I can't summaize it succinctly other than to say that he points out the pattern in geologic history when physical Pole Shifts have occurred.

As I pointed out in an earlier post - people take the stability of the earth for granted - until suddenly it isn't. A short period in geologic time, which can be many lifetimes for "man", can give the illusion of a "stable" earth. Along with Hutton's confused Uniformitarianism we are also given false reassurance that catastrophes don't happen. Unfortunately for mankind, and Uniformitarian Theory, the evidence is mounting that the earth's geologic history has been punctuated by large scale geologic catastrophes which have litterally changed the world, geologically speaking, overnight.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   13:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Original_Intent (#68)

Unfortunately for mankind, and Uniformitarian Theory, the evidence is mounting that the earth's geologic history has been punctuated by large scale geologic catastrophes which have litterally changed the world, geologically speaking, overnight.

Explains why we lose our history every 6,000 years. Then we are led to believe that this is the age of the earth in relation to a religious text that states the same.

This is also why taking a one hundred year view to postulate globull warming is beyond idiocy, IMHO.

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abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   13:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: wudidiz (#67)

I'm not sure at all that detonating it so far below the surface would have any significant effect on the tectonic plates because the blast would be contained within miles of solid rock.

Those miles of "solid rock" are great transmission lines for shockwaves. What we are dealing with is a balance of truly immense geologic forces held in a temporary, and relatively delicate, equilibrium. Here is an experiment for you. Take a large dense block of metal and put a smaller object next to it and touching closely. Now take a heavy mallet and whack the other side of the large block stoutly. What happens? The shockwave is transmitted through the block and moves the object on the other side. Now think of this upon a much much larger scale of sheets of solid rock abutting each other. What happens when you set off a really large explosion driving a shockwave into those rock plates (and granite and basalt are very dense)? It is like hitting a cluster of balls on a pool table - they are driven away from each other by the shockwave upsetting the equlibrium, at rest, and sending the balls caroming every which way. This is basically what you are risking by setting off a nuke in the bedrock of this geologic zone. It is cracked and crisscrossed with major faults all in equilibrium but with great, truly immense, geologic forces held in balance. When you upset that balance the results are not entirely predictable. It could be absorbed and simply transmitted through the rock to dissipate by the dampening effect as the spherical shockwave is transmitted through the crust. However, given the fractured nature of the regions geology and its physical connection to the New Madrid Seismic Zone, which contains the Reelfoot rift, it could just as easily set off a geologic chain reaction shaking, and even sundering, the entire continent.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   13:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Original_Intent (#68)

Thanks OI. I like the scientists that the mainstream hate best of all. True scientific discovery always comes from those whom dare to defy the status quo, no matter the scorn and ridicule.

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abraxas  posted on  2010-06-15   13:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: abraxas (#69)

Unfortunately for mankind, and Uniformitarian Theory, the evidence is mounting that the earth's geologic history has been punctuated by large scale geologic catastrophes which have litterally changed the world, geologically speaking, overnight.

Explains why we lose our history every 6,000 years. Then we are led to believe that this is the age of the earth in relation to a religious text that states the same.

This is also why taking a one hundred year view to postulate globull warming is beyond idiocy, IMHO.

Sadly, most people simply seem to be unable, or unwilling. to look at things upon the proper timescale. They look at things, at most, 2 or 3 generations back and the rest is unreal to them. Even academics are prone to this in that while they may deal in large timespans they are just unable to grasp and really duplicate, in their mind, reality.

The cyclical nature of human history is oft remarked on, and seldom really grasped. People seem to prefer myths or short sighted explanations over that which truly is. That 6,000 years you mention is an interesting thought, and I know this may cause protest among those of a particular religious persuasion, but the Old Testament most likely arose from even more ancient texts held in the great libraries of ancient Egypt. According to Plato Solon is quoted as saying they had records extending back 100,000 years and through a great war which involved Greece and Atlantis (See the Tinnaeus and Critias Dialogues).

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   13:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: abraxas (#71)

Thanks OI. I like the scientists that the mainstream hate best of all. True scientific discovery always comes from those whom dare to defy the status quo, no matter the scorn and ridicule.

The lamestream hates them because real scientists have a bad habit of discovering new things and rearranging the academics orderly world view. Robert Heinlein in one of his non-fiction essays pointed out that from a small percentage of all of those "kooks and heretics" come virtually ALL of the major advances in human knowledge. So, while I find the mainstream interesting I don't take their presumptions and defense of the existing paradigm as Holy Writ. Which I am sure annoys them to no end. Which pleases me almost equally.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   13:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: abraxas (#71)

Thanks OI.

Oh, and I forget my manners - You're welcome.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   13:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Original_Intent (#70)

Okay, thank you.


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wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   14:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: wudidiz (#75)

You're welcome. Without intent to embarrass or even chide a key concept which I haven't stated comes out of what is known as Chaos Theory: "Sensitive dependence upon initial conditions" a.k.a. "The Butterfly Effect". In brief what this means is that given a system, geology, weather, or quantum mechanics, etc., ... that is non-linear if you disturb the equilibrium state even a small change can be amplified throughout the system resulting in large and unpredictable results.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   14:29:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: wudidiz, All (#76)

This is the most succinct (although I don't find it entirely satisfactory - could be simpler or have photos of an attractor as in the longer reference in my last post) definition I've found on line.

Butterfly Effect:

A popular image portraying the property of sensitive dependence on initial conditions in chaotic systems, i.e., a small change having a huge impact like a butterfly flapping its wings in South America eventually leading to a thunderstorm in North America. Some attribute the term "Butterfly" in "Butterfly Effect" to the butterfly-like shape of the phase portrait of the chaotic attractor discovered by the meteorologist Edward Lorenz when he first discerned in his computer runs what was later termed "chaos." The Butterfly Effect introduces a great amount of unpredictability into a system since one can never have perfect accuracy in determining those present conditions which may be amplified and lead to a drastically different outcome than expected. However, since chaotic attractors are not random but operate within a circumscribed region of phase or state space, there still exists a certain amount of predictability associated with chaotic systems. Thus, a particular state of the weather may be unpredictable more than a few days in advance, nevertheless, climate and season reduce the range of possible states of the weather, thereby, adding some degree of predictability even into chaotic systems.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   14:36:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Original_Intent (#77)

There's a 50% chance the sun will rise tomorrow.


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wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-15   15:30:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: wudidiz (#78) (Edited)

I would say the odds are a bit greater, however, there are better odds that we could have a Super Solar Flare knocking out a lot of our high tech electronics and/or cooking half the planet. Life, contrary to expectations, is rife with hazardous events of greater and lesser probability. Given that our sun is still in the Main Sequence the probability that it will rise as expected is statistically greater than unity. The statistical probability that a nuke would set off a geologic chain reaction is, I would think, of somewhat higher order given the known geology of the region and physical laws - you can knock down a stone wall with one well placed blow and even if not well placed it still affects the surrounding stones to a greater or lesser degree.

My argument really hinges on that point - do we want to take an action whose outcome is uncertain, but with possibly catastrophic results causing millions of deaths? What is the trade off? Is the situation dire enough to warrant that level of risk on an action that may or may not seal the leak? Sometimes you do have to take a risk, but in a world of calculated risks is it the right risk?

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   15:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Original_Intent (#79)

I would say the odds are a bit greater, however, there are better odds that we could have a Super Solar Flare knocking out a lot of our high tech electronics and/or cooking half the planet. Life, contrary to expectations, is rife with hazardous events of greater and lesser probability. Given that our sun is still in the Main Sequence the probability that it will rise as expected is statistically greater than unity. The statistical probability that nuke would set off a geologic chain reaction is, I would think, of somewhat higher order given the known geology of the region and physical laws

There was a philosopher by the name of Epictetus and it was Epictetus who said "Appearances are of four kinds: things either are as they appear to be; or they neither are nor appear to be; or they are but do not appear to be; or they are not and yet appear to be.

This whole issue is a crap shoot!!

My pholosophy has always been, "don't take a nuke to a dick waving contest."

angK  posted on  2010-06-15   17:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: angK (#80)

And vice versa.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-15   17:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Original_Intent (#81)

And vice versa.

Hahahahaha, Good one!

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