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Title: Seattle Police Officer punches girl in face for jaywalking
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Published: Jun 16, 2010
Author: Officer Fired
Post Date: 2010-06-16 10:08:55 by Jethro Tull
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#14. To: Eric Stratton (#13)
True. But as a practical matter, don't fight the pigs on the street. Expect it to be a life and death fight. And the shtf hasn't happened yet. When it happens, all bets are off. But don't blame the system. Blame the juries. Blame your fellow citizens. They have the the first, and final, say in the matter. .
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
I'm thinking that an "entitlement" attitude towards the cop made that situation turn out worse than it should have to begin with. I'm guessing that they jaywalked right in front of the cop and then told the cop to fuck off. Guess what: that doesn't work with any cop.
_________________________________________________________________________ Not in 25 years, I haven't. But it takes effort to learn about jury nullification and other topics that aren't taught in "FedGov/Dept. of Edumacation civics textbooks". Some things are just too hard, I guess. It's so much easier to watch some celeb asswipes dancing on the boob tube. Like I say, it's their own fault that they don't know this stuff. If they gave a half a damn about it, we would not be in the mess we are in now. They love the system. they can crash along with it. I won't shed a tear, but I will laugh at them. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or don't paint it as a no win scenario. you make the system spend inexorably more $$$ than they ever would have collected. people can win in court. easily. they just must stop being lazy and stupid. beating the pigs in court is my avocation. :-) it's like a hammer, BAM. Using all their own b.s. codes.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 no. don't spend a dime on 'lawyer'. yes, it is a rigged and biased system but if everyone fought it smart, it would crumble. in my town they got rid of the red light cams because of a few diligent people who had the smarts and guts to mount legal challenge. i have many more examples, but suffice to say. resistance is victory.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
There is, of course, some truth to that, but Artisan's done it successfully several times.
IMVHO, when you cause an officer to make a court appearance, thereby taking him off patrol - not to mention the work associated with docketing the case - you already cost the system more than the fine. I know it isn't feasible for most people to take the time to do this, but if enough do, they system will grind to a crawl. I suggest people use all their appeals and in the end be prepared to be found guilty, but again, it's about over loading the system, being found innocent is secondary.
i am very surprised at your defeatist and slavish attitude here. i am not talking theory. i kick their @$$ regulary. i have won in superior court of appeals in so. cal. , and many many other victories. i didnt spend a f...king dime. i didnt miss work. they are evil thieving pigs and i see it as a moral imperative to resist them. after i win, i brag about it and post the docs online. you CAN win, but if you choose not to, and submit instead, well. to each their own.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 thanks buddy. EIGHT TIMES to be precise, and that's just in traffic court. i have won in civil court many times too. the highlight being when i sued warren buffets GEICO, without a lawyer, and kicked their @$$ Too! orange county, CA. I have many more stories. one must desire it. i actually do not like court. but injustice bothers me more, so i feel driven to do it. it is a moral belief for me, literally.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I did the same w/my son three times. Thank god he has since grown up some and is now a better driver. We fought them all, and the very least that can happen - and it happened each time - is they offer a deal before trial of a reduced fine and zero points. I'm no fence straddler, but I can also understand what Eric Stratton is saying. The bottom line is we all need to find out where and how we choose to fight the battle.
i took dept of children services to court, also, without a lawyer, ans KICKED THEIR @$$ Too!! That was very gratifying. those here who know me know i am not exaggerating or making nonsense up. anyone can do this, it just takes desire. cps is literally a demonic agency. 'shudder'
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 true, everyone picks their own battles. but a little research is the key. preemptive, procedural, etc. we have presumption of innocence and america damn well better use it. to cry that 'we cant win' is B.S. and that mentality pisses me off. stand up and fight.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Bravo. You are exactly right. Use their own rules against them. And if you ever have to deal with the dickheads at the idaho DOT, you'll get the chance to do it again. The pricks.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or I won't say much about that specific example. But I will say this: No one ever said this was easy. No one ever said you won't pay a price. You seem to want to have your cake, and eat it too. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Not funny. Crippled white people get tazered and these young healthy black girls get much more restrained treatment. Yeah, the punch in the face was a little out of line, but if she hit him he has the right to hit back. I have more respect for this cop than the ones who just whip out their tazer and fire though.
God is always good!
chronology. 2001: got stopped at a drivers license 'checkpoint', was waived through the intersection by a uniformed cop. his partner then came behind me and ticketed me for running the light that the first cop had directed me to go through. outrageous criminal affront. i lost in court, because i did not know how to properly fight. i vowed that that will never happen again. that is the incident that started this. we have an amoral satanic government. RESIST. RESIST. RESIST.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
I think you missed my point, or I failed to explain it fully. The more police officers we take off the street (whose main function now is issuing tickets) the less revenue local government generates. That, in turn, impacts the hiring & maintaining of cops. I could google hundreds of articles that bolster my point. As more and more cops get their pink slips think of this Method as Alinsky_ish.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
chronology con't: 2002 beat speeding ticket in superior court of appeals. radar evidence ruled not admissable because lack of valid traffic survey...2003 beat dog off leash ticket, santa monica, ca. 2003 beat CHP speeding ticket, palm springs ca. used county seat preemptive. 2003 beat ticket for alleged not using blinker at 3 am. 2005 beat parking ticket, santa monica ca, phone hearing. 2008 beat speeding in rancho, trial by declaration / de novo. 2009 did a deffered disposition for ticket in waco Tx. 2009 beat cell phone ticket, azusa ca, county seat preemptive.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
So don't deal. The system functions on our compliance. I suggest stop being compliant and get the cops off the street & let the clerks drown in their paperwork. That, to me, is a win.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
you say 'BFD' After saying one can't win!? it is NOT easy, they are arrogant and make it hard as they can, and lie to defenants. i spent less time than the cost of 3 yrs jacked up insurance premiums which a conviction would get you. and unlike JTs example, i dont do plea or deals. no. the geico thing was easy. their client was convicted of dui yet they still tried not to pay me. i had originally asked for 1200. when they refused i got the max in small claims at the time was 5k. b/c i tagged on punative, since they were such pricks. documented all prior attempts with certified mail. judge shouted at them that theyre lucky i chose that venue & slammed gavel, 5000 for 5 minutes. LOL.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I don't think you will get a knock out blow against them by yourself. But it is a win. However, multiply that times the number of people that claim to be like-minded and the system has no choice but to crash BECAUSE " Their employees think tha they're all something special and can throw you into endless loops in the 7th ring of hell if they want to. They're overpaid, undereducated, most stupid, and simply shitty to have to deal with. They can't get fired, don't know the first damn thing about customer service, etc. " IMO their bullshit cuts both ways. It can either help them, or it can hang them. I say Bruce Lee was right. "Be the water". And that will kick their asses, just like he did in a literal sense. I can't tell you how many people have posted either here or at PalinPost how simple it is to avoid paying taxes yet when I ask how I have never gotten an answer besides "just don't own anything." Why admit to something "illegal" on an open forum, just to try and show ones bona fides? It's not wise. You can own a lot. But the lifestyle is not for everyone. .
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."
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CHIMPOUT!
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#15. To: PSUSA (#14)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#17. To: Eric Stratton (#15)
n fact, if you believe that, you've been reading far too many FedGov/Dept. of Edumacation civics textbooks.
CHIMPOUT!
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#18. To: Eric Stratton (#10)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#19. To: Eric Stratton (#13)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#20. To: PSUSA (#17)
#21. To: Artisan (#18)
#22. To: Artisan (#19)
#23. To: Eric Stratton, Artisan (#22)
the second that you step into a courtroom, you are now at the full discretion of the judge. Barring some outlandish behavior, that you might even have to engage in at the time, they can do what they want to laws be damned.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#24. To: Eric Stratton, Artisan, all (#22)
When will people learn, the second that you step into a courtroom, you are now at the full discretion of the judge
#25. To: Eric Stratton (#22)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#26. To: wudidiz, jethro tull, psusa, christine (#23)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#27. To: Artisan, Eric Stratton, all (#26)
#28. To: All (#26)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#30. To: Artisan (#19)
resistance is victory.
CHIMPOUT!
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#31. To: Eric Stratton (#20)
"then just don't play their (IRS) game" as if we have a fucking choice w/o going to jail.
CHIMPOUT!
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
(Edited)
#33. To: All (#26)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#34. To: wudidiz (#23)
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
#38. To: Artisan (#25)
#39. To: Artisan (#26)
#40. To: Eric Stratton (#35)
"The system" is us in terms of cost. What, you think that the money to run "the system" doesn't come from the taxpayers?
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
#42. To: Jethro Tull, All (#27)
#43. To: All (#33)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#44. To: PSUSA (#31)
#45. To: PSUSA (#30)
#46. To: Artisan (#33)
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#40)
#48. To: Eric Stratton (#42)
the courts are all about "deals," which feeds in exactly to what I'm talking about.
#49. To: Artisan (#43)
#50. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
#51. To: Eric Stratton (#39)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#52. To: Eric Stratton, artisan, all (#44)
That's not what I call a win.
CHIMPOUT!
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#53. To: Artisan (#51)
#54. To: PSUSA (#52)
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