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Title: Seattle Police Officer punches girl in face for jaywalking
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Published: Jun 16, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-06-16 10:08:55 by Jethro Tull
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don't paint it as a no win scenario. you make the system spend inexorably more $$$ than they ever would have collected. people can win in court. easily. they just must stop being lazy and stupid. beating the pigs in court is my avocation. :-) it's like a hammer, BAM. Using all their own b.s. codes.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-16   14:09:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

no. don't spend a dime on 'lawyer'. yes, it is a rigged and biased system but if everyone fought it smart, it would crumble. in my town they got rid of the red light cams because of a few diligent people who had the smarts and guts to mount legal challenge. i have many more examples, but suffice to say. resistance is victory.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-16   14:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   14:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   14:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   14:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the second that you step into a courtroom, you are now at the full discretion of the judge. Barring some outlandish behavior, that you might even have to engage in at the time, they can do what they want to laws be damned.

There is, of course, some truth to that, but Artisan's done it successfully several times.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-16   14:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When will people learn, the second that you step into a courtroom, you are now at the full discretion of the judge

IMVHO, when you cause an officer to make a court appearance, thereby taking him off patrol - not to mention the work associated with docketing the case - you already cost the system more than the fine. I know it isn't feasible for most people to take the time to do this, but if enough do, they system will grind to a crawl. I suggest people use all their appeals and in the end be prepared to be found guilty, but again, it's about over loading the system, being found innocent is secondary.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-16   14:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i am very surprised at your defeatist and slavish attitude here. i am not talking theory. i kick their @$$ regulary. i have won in superior court of appeals in so. cal. , and many many other victories. i didnt spend a f...king dime. i didnt miss work. they are evil thieving pigs and i see it as a moral imperative to resist them. after i win, i brag about it and post the docs online. you CAN win, but if you choose not to, and submit instead, well. to each their own.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-16   14:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

thanks buddy. EIGHT TIMES to be precise, and that's just in traffic court. i have won in civil court many times too. the highlight being when i sued warren buffets GEICO, without a lawyer, and kicked their @$$ Too! orange county, CA. I have many more stories. one must desire it. i actually do not like court. but injustice bothers me more, so i feel driven to do it. it is a moral belief for me, literally.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-16   14:54:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I did the same w/my son three times. Thank god he has since grown up some and is now a better driver. We fought them all, and the very least that can happen - and it happened each time - is they offer a deal before trial of a reduced fine and zero points. I'm no fence straddler, but I can also understand what Eric Stratton is saying. The bottom line is we all need to find out where and how we choose to fight the battle.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-16   15:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i took dept of children services to court, also, without a lawyer, ans KICKED THEIR @$$ Too!! That was very gratifying. those here who know me know i am not exaggerating or making nonsense up. anyone can do this, it just takes desire. cps is literally a demonic agency. 'shudder'

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-16   15:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

true, everyone picks their own battles. but a little research is the key. preemptive, procedural, etc. we have presumption of innocence and america damn well better use it. to cry that 'we cant win' is B.S. and that mentality pisses me off. stand up and fight.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-16   15:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

resistance is victory.

Bravo. You are exactly right. Use their own rules against them.

And if you ever have to deal with the dickheads at the idaho DOT, you'll get the chance to do it again. The pricks.

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CHIMPOUT!

Live free or die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.

PSUSA  posted on  2010-06-16   15:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"then just don't play their (IRS) game" as if we have a fucking choice w/o going to jail.

I won't say much about that specific example. But I will say this: No one ever said this was easy. No one ever said you won't pay a price.

You seem to want to have your cake, and eat it too.

.

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CHIMPOUT!

Live free or die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.

PSUSA  posted on  2010-06-16   15:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not funny. Crippled white people get tazered and these young healthy black girls get much more restrained treatment. Yeah, the punch in the face was a little out of line, but if she hit him he has the right to hit back. I have more respect for this cop than the ones who just whip out their tazer and fire though.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-06-16   15:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

chronology. 2001: got stopped at a drivers license 'checkpoint', was waived through the intersection by a uniformed cop. his partner then came behind me and ticketed me for running the light that the first cop had directed me to go through. outrageous criminal affront. i lost in court, because i did not know how to properly fight. i vowed that that will never happen again. that is the incident that started this. we have an amoral satanic government. RESIST. RESIST. RESIST.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-16   15:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:31:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:37:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"The system" is us in terms of cost. What, you think that the money to run "the system" doesn't come from the taxpayers?

I think you missed my point, or I failed to explain it fully.

The more police officers we take off the street (whose main function now is issuing tickets) the less revenue local government generates. That, in turn, impacts the hiring & maintaining of cops. I could google hundreds of articles that bolster my point. As more and more cops get their pink slips think of this Method as Alinsky_ish.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-16   15:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

chronology con't: 2002 beat speeding ticket in superior court of appeals. radar evidence ruled not admissable because lack of valid traffic survey...2003 beat dog off leash ticket, santa monica, ca. 2003 beat CHP speeding ticket, palm springs ca. used county seat preemptive. 2003 beat ticket for alleged not using blinker at 3 am. 2005 beat parking ticket, santa monica ca, phone hearing. 2008 beat speeding in rancho, trial by declaration / de novo. 2009 did a deffered disposition for ticket in waco Tx. 2009 beat cell phone ticket, azusa ca, county seat preemptive.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-16   15:41:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the courts are all about "deals," which feeds in exactly to what I'm talking about.

So don't deal. The system functions on our compliance. I suggest stop being compliant and get the cops off the street & let the clerks drown in their paperwork. That, to me, is a win.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-16   15:49:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   15:52:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you say 'BFD' After saying one can't win!? it is NOT easy, they are arrogant and make it hard as they can, and lie to defenants. i spent less time than the cost of 3 yrs jacked up insurance premiums which a conviction would get you. and unlike JTs example, i dont do plea or deals. no. the geico thing was easy. their client was convicted of dui yet they still tried not to pay me. i had originally asked for 1200. when they refused i got the max in small claims at the time was 5k. b/c i tagged on punative, since they were such pricks. documented all prior attempts with certified mail. judge shouted at them that theyre lucky i chose that venue & slammed gavel, 5000 for 5 minutes. LOL.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-16   15:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's not what I call a win.

I don't think you will get a knock out blow against them by yourself. But it is a win.

However, multiply that times the number of people that claim to be like-minded and the system has no choice but to crash BECAUSE " Their employees think tha they're all something special and can throw you into endless loops in the 7th ring of hell if they want to. They're overpaid, undereducated, most stupid, and simply shitty to have to deal with. They can't get fired, don't know the first damn thing about customer service, etc. "

IMO their bullshit cuts both ways. It can either help them, or it can hang them. I say Bruce Lee was right. "Be the water". And that will kick their asses, just like he did in a literal sense.

I can't tell you how many people have posted either here or at PalinPost how simple it is to avoid paying taxes yet when I ask how I have never gotten an answer besides "just don't own anything."

Why admit to something "illegal" on an open forum, just to try and show ones bona fides? It's not wise.

You can own a lot. But the lifestyle is not for everyone.

.

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CHIMPOUT!

Live free or die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.

PSUSA  posted on  2010-06-16   15:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   16:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"You've got to put right and wrong above legal and illegal. Because when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty; and it is not rebellion at all, it is submission to the higher law that our government is in rebellion to. We're not the rebels, they're the rebels."

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-16   16:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Besides, while you guys enjoy yourselves down here in the world of traffic infractions

If the piggies are in the pen arguing traffic violations, they aren't on the street abusing this kid in the vid (and worse). Cost the system time, money & manpower wherever and whenever you can and they'll be less of them to get in your hair.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-16   16:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Very true, but it shouldn't help them ever.

It shouldn't. Like JT said, it's about compliance. Don't comply, resist, and it won't help them, it will hang them. There is no need to blow the trumpet every time people do something that will help to fuck them up. It's not a ego-feeding attention whoring "i'm a leader" crap like Alex Jones and others do. People just need to do it. It's rather fun and satisfying.

If you can find any of Haydukes books, read them if you have more specific targets in mind. they will give you some good and funny ideas. Scribd has them, I think.

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Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
CHIMPOUT!

Live free or die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.

PSUSA  posted on  2010-06-16   16:14:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ha. OK, this thread started about cops & infractions, you said no one can win, that its rigged. then you changed it to, anyone can win. an appellate court in one of the biggest counties in CA, Where i got the judgement of a superior court judge overturned by a panel of appealate judges, is not childs play. if and when you pull such a feat, you wouldn't be so defeatist. traffic infractions are no longer petty, they're increasingly expensive and burdensome to working people, who dont know how to fight effectively. so i think it is a very worthy cause. i'm sorry if someone sued you civilly though. i did not start out discussing that, though i do have experience in that too.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-16   16:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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