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Title: The Lord Is In Control So Don't Worry (and Above All, Don't DO Anything)
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The Fire Eater
URL Source: http://www.fireeater.org/Pages/Vol_I_2010/lord_in_control.html
Published: Jun 14, 2010
Author: Al Benson, Jr.
Post Date: 2010-06-16 19:57:59 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 252
Comments: 17
There seems to be a mindset in the evangelical community today (though it's not really new) which seems to me like the great neutralizer of the church. It seems most prevalent in those you could wish had more vision and were more active, but sadly, they are not. They seem to be possessed of the idea that if God is in control of all things (which He is) then there are some areas where believers just don't need to bother getting involved. Should you tend to become "involved" in one of these "forbidden" areas, (which I seem to have a tendency to do) they will question you about any comments you happen to make. The question they usually start off with is "Do you believe God is in control of all things?" If you answer yes to that the next question will be "Then what are you so upset about?" The intended result of this line of questioning is, in many cases, to shut down your complaint so you will feel a bit foolish for having brought it up and carrying it any further, especially if you are in a group. At which point you are supposed to quietly bow out of the discussion and let it return to such important areas as "personal holiness." Why discuss politics, history, or the present state of our decaying culture when you can dwell on personal holiness? This somehow becomes the end-all of all discussion. Let me state here, before someone jumps up screaming, that I am not against personal holiness. The Scriptures enjoin us to seek to live holy lives, to treat others as we would be treated, and, realizing we can't do that in our own strength, we must admit that we need a Saviour who has done all this perfectly for us and now sits at the right hand of the Father, Jesus, the God-man. Along with this, at least for those of us in Reformed circles, there should come a certain outlook, a certain worldview if you will. Part of that worldview is that God is very concerned with what goes on here on earth and He wants His people to be concerned about it also. We are not just supposed to "get saved so we can get to Heaven" and that's all there is. Since "the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof" I believe He wants us to be concerned about all areas of life--education, culture, art, music, history, --and that most dreaded of all--politics. God wants His people to be involved in what happens in the world. He wants them to be concerned about it. He wants them to be knowledgeable about it. Many of our problems in this country today, along with our lack of repentance, are present because most Christians just don't want to be bothered. It's too much trouble and effort to learn about a problem and why it exists, so why bother. Much easier to just say "Well, it's all because of sin" and drop it there. If the Lord is in control He'll take care of it so I don't need to do anything about it or know anything about it. All I need to do is to "trust God" and go on my merry way. Oh, there is one other thing I need to do. Should someone come along that points out this particular problem I need to try to keep their comments to a minimum so no one really gets shook up over this situation (especially me). The evangelical protests against any possible action run the gamut from "If God is in control, don't worry about it" to "You're not showing much love talking about all this stuff." The idea being that, if you were just a little more "loving" you would be content to give evil politicians a pass. The idea that Christians could also be "loving" by seeking to expose the evil has never occurred to them, and probably won't, as long as we can keep those who raise sticky questions quiet enough. Many of these are the same folks that tell you that Romans 13 means that you must give unquestioning obedience to anything government at any level wants to do. They have the "authority" and so you are just supposed to cave in, feel the jackboot on your neck and thank them for it. The concept that governments are responsible to God, and that, under God, their authority is limited, is something else that never occurs to them. It's lots easier just to knuckle under than it is to find out what government has the legitimate authority to require of you and what it does not. No one is questioning that where government fulfills its God-given functions it should be obeyed. But what's to be done when it starts usurping functions it has no God-given right to? That's another question--and one many in the evangelical community would prefer not to deal with--so just do whatever they tell you to do and shut up--after all, it is the government, legitimate or not! This mindset, carried to its logical conclusion in this country would leave us still as part of the British Empire. After all, the English said we had no right to govern ourselves, and so we should have just sat down, kept quiet, submitted to the tyranny, and never seceded from Great Britain--right? Our current regime tells us we will be forced to buy "health insurance" or go to the slammer, and it has performed, along with the other regimes before it, many unconstitutional actions. The current evangelical response to all this is "God is in control so what are you so upset about?" The thought comes to mind that, possibly, God has allowed some of what has happened to provoke a response from His people--repentance yes, but also resistance to evil. Yet the response of many is still "Hey, the Lord's still in control so don't worry about it." And some will, if you point out these things look down their noses at you for being such a cretin as to even dare to bring up some of these issues. You're supposed to be silent, cave in to tyranny, all the time seeking more "personal holiness." Another thing we learned in Reformed circles is that the Lord works in history and that He is often pleased to use "means" (sometimes people) to do some of what He wants done. This is another idea that seems to float way over the heads of many evangelicals. I've made the statement I started out this paragraph with to some who just stare blankly at me as though they have no concept of what I am talking about. What if the Lord should decide to use people to upset evil politicians' machinations? It wouldn't be the first time. Oh, we don't discuss that. It's not a debatable topic. It might require getting involved and learning something new and we're not sure we're ready for that, so quietly throttle the one who makes such absurd suggestions and lets all get back to personal pietism. If you've read this far, you might think I tend to be a little ticked at some of my fellow believers for their almost total lack of response in areas they should be concerned about. I'm forced to admit you'd be somewhat correct. I've been listening to evangelical responses in some areas for almost four decades, and most of it boils down to "Why are you telling us about the current Marxist in the White House when, in love, we should just be ignoring what he does and loving him?" I wonder if any of these folks have ever had the novel concept that "loving" whoever the current occupant of the Oval Office is might just entail exposing some of what he'd done or is doing and calling him to repentance. And this doesn't apply to whoever is currently the president. After all, they don't call Washington "Sodom on the Potomac" for nothing. As long as we continue to play the "Just love 'em and don't get excited or upset over anything" game, nothing will change. The country will be judged and eventually go down the tubes. Whether some of it can be salvaged by secession or not remains to be seen. And the church will be judged also. I think the Lord would like a response to some of what is happening, and, in the main, I don't think He is getting one.
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#1. To: X-15 (#0)
Was Christ upset at the moneychanging kikes? You're goddammed right He was. Was He pissed off at the religious leaders? Hell yeah. Oh hell yeah. And these fuckwits think that it is wrong to be upset? They had better not bring up that argument with me. It would not be a wise decision on their part. "Personal holiness" my hairy white ass. They are cowards. Useless as tits on a bull cowards.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Some leaders of the anti tax movement dismissed them as "namby pamby Christians" decades ago. They are worthless in any struggle against the govt. If it was left to them they'd still be eaten by lions as the main attraction in The Coliseum. Some don't mind murdering unarmed abortion providers, but they don't want to risk immediate martyrdom by attacking any armed agents of Satan. Oh no, when it comes to that they suddenly brim with dignity, grace and tolerance, even if those agents are murdering children on orders from the govt.
They also brim with ecstasy. War excites them for some reason. War excited me too, as a kid. They can't grow out of that. They think they are on a Mission From God. In a way, they are. Their god is not my God. IMO it comes down to this: They think they know all things. They never admit to things they don't know. They think they have a lock on The Truth. They sound so positive, so all-knowing. They get pissed off when people don't listen to them. I know, because I used to be that way too. I learned better. They refuse to. Therefore, going to war is the ultimate payback for not seeing god as they do. "Send 'em to hell"! I despise them more than words can say. When faced with the consequences, they refuse to change. I have more respect for wiccans and atheists. They are much more honest. They are worthless in any struggle against the govt. Yep. Worthless, and/or traitors. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Our country is full of idiots and cowards. We don't deserve to be called Americans, any more than an ant should be called an elephant. We as a people have endured tyranny for almost 100 years at the hands of our traitorous, bought and sold government. We have only ONE course of action left to us to retake that freedom, and not enough people are willing to stand, out of fear.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
ou sound just like me and you speak the truth. Our traitorist government not only has the people divided, but also dumbed down to the point they haven't a clue what to do to take back this country from the scoundrels who are running it and destroying it. One thing we don't have a shortage of is cowards. We do have a shortage of good people who could lead us out of the tyranny we are under. I do not advocate running around shooting the scoundrels, but would rather see them brought to justice in a court of real law following our Constitution, then if found guilty of treason, hanged by the neck in public. This is what needs to take place. All of them must be rounded up at the very same time on the same day and brought to justice. It is easy to tell who the cowards are even on this forum/ They constantly whine about the injustices we are experiencung, but will do nothing out of fear they might get hurt or killed even. the FOUNDING fATHERS threw caution to the wind and went forth doing whatever it took to make this an independent sovereign nation with the warning if we let our guard down we would see a rebirth of tyranny. Thomas Jefferson gave us the recipe to keep our freedoms and told us the price of that freedom requires diligence and spent blood. Just as Jesus died on the cross for our sins, many of the FOUNDING FATHERS gave their fortunes and lives to make this a free country. Far too many wouldn't lift a finger out of fear. I'm surprised hayeck fan hasn't asked you were you buried the bodies of the tyrants you have killed trying to keep this country free. Oh by the way, he has stated he won't lift his hand against the tyrants because he might get hurt.
You are a lying piece of shit. You cannot give a link where I said any such thing.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
There is a difference between what Tommy said and what you said when I made that statement dumb ass. The difference is that Tommy made a generalized and true statement about the country as a whole, while you were berating farm friend personally for not martyring herself by going out and starting a one man war. It only makes sense that if you condemn others for not doing it that you should be leading the fucking way. Therefore I asked you where the graves of those you killed were. Once again you show yourself to be a loud mouth and a piss-stained coward who doesn't have the courage of his convictions. Since you demand that others martyr themselves, why are you not martyring yourself?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Like Al Benson pointed out in the article: when push comes to shove it's time to whip out the old Romans 13 verse and slink off to the shadows secure in a false rationalization.
_________________________________________________________________________ Put those remarks you claim I made to farmfriend up on here you pussy. I just knew you would like hell denying what you wrote you little freak. Every time I posted that we are a nation of cowards you came back with "show me where you buried the dead bodies. You are nothing but a chicken coward bonesmoker ass wipe. Once again you are sticking your nose in where it wasn't invited. By the way, are you ashamed to admit you are a gay coward? You just bought the bozo filter dick weed.
There you go son of a whore. It's right there for any and all to see maggot. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=97098&Disp=20#C3 I just knew you would like hell denying what you wrote you little freak. Then it should be real easy for you to link to it. You are nothing but a chicken coward bonesmoker ass wipe. Says the pussy hiding behind his keyboard. You just bought the bozo filter dick weed. Run sissy bitch, run.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
The interesting part starts at about 1:02. I"m sure you know about all this, but for the edification of the newbies we have this video as proof, and many like it. What was the saying? We will have freedom when the last politician is hanged by the guts of the last priest? Or words to that effect... .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or I find it extremely ironic that the same traitors that will use this argument are also calling Christ a sinner. Christ would not have, and did not obey, this argument. Now what is that chapter really saying? And why are they deliberately misinterpreting it? (that 2nd question was purely rhetorical).
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Reading crap like this, tells me that God is not in control on this planet. God does not care what men do, or how they conduct their affairs. The bible is full of all kinds of stories about how bad people get what is coming to them, and oddly enough, in real life it's just not that way. Real people who do bad things, rarely if ever are made to be brought to justice. I feel and believe sometimes that the education I received about the country I live in, was just a big joke, a big prank to be pulled on someone who when they became an adult, would result in laughter. The reason why they would expect laughter from such a horrible joke, is that they had hoped that the public school system, and being surrounded by morons that you'd eventually stop wanting to think, and just laugh along with the rest of the morons. Instead, all my experiences in this country have created an incredibly hateful, incredibly virulent form of hatred of authority that cannot be adequately conveyed in words. Every day we live with the lie that we're free, when we're not. We damned near have to ask for permission to use the bathroom anymore the way the government watches our lives. It's getting worse every day, and all people do is take the abuse. We're in a bad marriage is really what we're in, and we stay in it for our kids. If we were just like our ancestors who stood against King George, there wouldn't be one politician left alive when everything was done. They'd all be rounded up and shot for the traitors they are. They laugh at us. They deride us. They LIE to us, every goddamned day about how we need to endure more and more hardship, economic instability and uncertainty. They say we need trading partners with the third world, so that they can buy our products that we make here, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. We used to be the manufacturing center of the world. Now we're the outlet mall for the world. We've allowed the public school system to deliberately destroy the critical thinking children of our nation, along with any shred of creativity. We've allowed it to happen and why? Because old people have been running things for far too long, and their treachery has never been called into question. The people who have run this country into the ground, are at the end of their lives, while we who are young have to endure their legacy of betrayal. Our youth die for the lies and treason of the old. Our society is built on the lies of the old traitors who have nothing but the desire for power beyond death. They fear dying which is why our culture is perpetually destroyed so that they themselves will have a legacy that will have some permanence. They will not have left this country a better place, they will have left it broken. It will be 10 generations before the desire for freedom overcomes those who have the fear of servitude. That is, if we do not act NOW. I myself have been waiting for the call to arms. I have waited for a call from any of my brothers to take arms against a vile, and traitorous leadership and that call will not come. We have lives to live, and we have money to make. We have our chains that keep us tethered to our jobs and our debts keep us enslaved. We can never truly be free in America, and all we have is the illusion of it to make us think we're free men. There will be no George Washington's coming for my generation. There will be no Paul Reveres. There will be no patriots standing against impossible odds, creating a new country that is free. There are too many old, and traitorous creatures masquerading as Americans, using their age, and their history as a blanket while they lie to us, and keep us from usurping their authority over all of us. We can have our country back, and we could have it back today if we all simply were to say NO to all of this, and do what was necessary to fix things. We could rid ourselves of every illegal alien today and close the borders if we chose. We could be helping save the coast if we ganged up and went there, and stood against the mercenaries keeping people away. We could be rebuilding our economy right now, if we simply did away with the notion that our money isn't a lie. We are Americans by birth, but only God's Grace gives us the character of one. I am an American. So many of my brothers are Americans. So many of our sisters are Americans, and we would bleed for freedom if necessary. Not the fake patriotism and lies, but the freedom that our forefathers knew when they threw off the yoke of slavery from England. We must throw off that yoke again, only this time the yoke is from our own leaders. THEY have allowed our country to fall. THEY have failed in protecting our nation. THEY have failed in keeping our prosperity. THEY have failed in ensuring that we as people have a sovereign nation. THEY Have allowed the invasion from the third world, and THEY HAVE BETRAYED OUR TRUST. WE, have been too preoccupied with the lies and machinations of our failed leadership that we never noticed how far things have fallen. Now it is up to US, to fix this country and walk away from government completely. Do not pay attention to the sockpuppet monkey parroting platitudes from his podium, he is a construct. He himself is a lie. Do not give these people the respect they demand, give them the treatment of contempt THEY DESERVE. Show these people that you are not beholden to them, and that you no longer will tolerate their lie. It is far more important for their agenda that we remain docile, and compliant, which is why this bible nonsense is so infuriating. The bible was written by men, and endorsed by a king who ruled over men. Men who he exploited, and lied to. King James was not Christ, nor was he worthy of God's Grace. All of what is being done in God's name, is false. We are living in false times, under a false god. Which is why God is not in control.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
The fundamental problem with the fundamentalist evangelicals is that they use their religious perversions of Christianity as an excuse to let evil run rampant. They are not merely namby pamby but followers of a perversion of Christianity. Turning the other cheek does not mean allowing mass murder. Neither does "God is in control" excuse inaction in opposing evil.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
now I know where you got that hayek fan bullshit. You got it from the incest you had with your mother. You fucking cowardly incestous farmer. I heard your mother was easy. I wish I hadn't deleted the thread where you said I was trying to get you to kill a govermn==nment agent. What a sorry queer piece of humanity you are. You are the best excuse for keeping abortion legal.
Don't lose faith.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I know there is evil all over the world, and understand your frustration. God gives men free will which is why , which is the only reason why, there is any merit in doing good. On a side note, I am not a proponent of 'King James' either., (I'm Catholic). But the Bible, the one that was not altered, is indeed the inspired word of God. Don't let the political and cultural corruption make you lose faith, or lose heart. It's all fleeting.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13"Do you believe God is in control of all things?" If you answer yes to that the next question will be "Then what are you so upset about?"
CHIMPOUT!
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#2. To: PSUSA, X-15 (#1)
They are cowards. Useless as tits on a bull cowards.
#3. To: HOUNDDAWG, all (#2)
Oh no, when it comes to that they suddenly brim with dignity, grace and tolerance, even if those agents are murdering children on orders from the govt.
CHIMPOUT!
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#4. To: X-15 (#0)
#5. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#4)
We have only ONE course of action left to us to retake that freedom, and not enough people are willing to stand, out of fear.
#6. To: LACUMO (#5)
Oh by the way, he has stated he won't lift his hand against the tyrants because he might get hurt.
#7. To: LACUMO, TommyTheMadArtist (#5)
(Edited)
I'm surprised hayeck fan hasn't asked you were you buried the bodies of the tyrants you have killed trying to keep this country free.
#8. To: HOUNDDAWG, PSUSA (#2)
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#9. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#7)
There is a difference between what Tommy said and what you said when I made that statement dumb ass. The difference is that Tommy made a generalized and true statement about the country as a whole, while you were berating farm friend personally for not martyring herself by going out and starting a one man war.
#10. To: LACUMO (#9)
Put those remarks you claim I made to farmfriend up on here you pussy.
#11. To: X-15, all, the Romans 13 argument is official policy (#8)
when push comes to shove it's time to whip out the old Romans 13
CHIMPOUT!
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#12. To: All (#11)
CHIMPOUT!
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#13. To: X-15 (#0)
#14. To: X-15 (#0)
#15. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#10)
There you go son of a whore. It's right there for any and all to see maggot.
#16. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#13)
#17. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#13)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
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