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Title: Dems uphold Alvin Greene’s bizarre victory in SC primary
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URL Source: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0617/de ... ld-greenes-victory-sc-primary/
Published: Jun 18, 2010
Author: Daniel Tencer
Post Date: 2010-06-18 06:24:32 by Ada
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Views: 297
Comments: 20

Mystery candidate says he's the best candidate for Time's 'Man of the Year'

An unemployed man who can't explain where he got the money to file as a political candidate and who is facing a felony obscenity charge will be the Democratic Party's candidate for the US Senate in South Carolina this fall.

The executive board of the South Carolina Democratic Party voted Thursday night not to overturn the results of the June 8 primary that saw Alvin Greene, a political unknown, defeat the establishment-backed candidate, Jim Rawl, with 59 percent of the vote.

According to WLTC in Columbia, South Carolina, the executive board decided there wasn't enough evidence of voting irregularities to overturn the election result. Greene did not attend the hearing.

The decision comes as a shock to many political observers, who note that there was an enormous disparity in the vote results between mail-in ballots and election-day voting, and that Greene didn't run any sort of visible campaign. Story continues below...

Rawl, the defeated candidate, had earlier said that "there is something amiss with regard to either the software or the machines themselves." He added that "regardless of the outcome of [the board's review], a full and unblinking investigation of this election and the overall integrity of South Carolina's election system must go forward."

But Rawl sounded a different tune after Thursday's hearing, telling reporters that he would not appeal the board's decision.

And BradBlog quotes Rawl as saying, "We don't have the power to go back and look at what happened. If this were a general election, we could do that. We had 10 days and 10 days only [to appeal the election result]. I would ask the party to go back and look back at the rules on that."

The board's decision will likely not satisfy the many political observers who see something amiss in the election results. South Carolina Democratic Rep. James Clyburn alleged last week that "someone" had planted candidates -- including Greene -- in the Democratic primary races, though he would not point the finger directly at the Republican Party.

And even senior White House adviser David Axelrod said he didn't believe the election result was legitimate.

"The whole thing is odd," Axlerod said. "I don't really know how to explain it and I don't think anybody else does either. ... How [Greene] won the primary is a big mystery, and until you resolve that I don't think he can claim to be a strong, credible candidate."

The State in South Carolina reports that Rawls' representatives argued fervently that the election results didn't make sense.

[Rawl campaign manager Walter] Ludwig took aim at several of the theories for how Greene could have beaten Rawl.

He pointed out that Rawl won the absentee vote but still lost handily. He pointed to results in Barnwell County, where Rawl won the absentee vote by a 166-33 margin. On Primary Day, Greene won the county with 63 percent of the vote compared to 36 percent for Rawl.

Ludwig argued that Greene, who is black, did not benefit from racial preference, as some have suggested. ... Greene didn't win because of Republican crossover, Ludwig said, because the GOP had a hot gubernatorial race.

The State also notes that two computer voting experts, called to testify at the hearing, said the machines used in South Carolina are "susceptible to tampering and error."

MAN OF THE YEAR?

Greene, who faces a felony obscenity charge over an incident at South Carolina University in November, 2009, told Time magazine's Michael Scherer that he should be nominated to be Time's "Man of the Year."

"I am the best candidate for the United States Senate in South Carolina," Greene said. "And I am also the best person to be Time magazine's Man of the Year."

Scherer suggests an alternative theory for Greene's electoral victory:

Greene got lucky. His name appeared first on the ballot and may have had a more dulcet-sounding tone to it, and there is little evidence that anyone knew much about either candidate before the election. In one poll a few weeks before the election, only 4% of state Democrats had a favorable opinion of Rawl, in part because so few knew who he was."I talked to a lot of people, and a lot of people voted for him," Democratic state representative Todd Rutherford told MSNBC. "They can't tell me why. They just said that hey, they saw the name and they pushed the button."

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Greene, who faces a felony obscenity charge over an incident at South Carolina University in November, 2009, told Time magazine's Michael Scherer that he should be nominated to be Time's "Man of the Year."

"I am the best candidate for the United States Senate in South Carolina," Greene said. "And I am also the best person to be Time magazine's Man of the Year."

I liked the full account of the Time interview:

Greene also discussed what he hopes to accomplish in his campaign. He said that he wants to focus on three things: jobs, education and "justice in the judicial system." And according to Time, he wants to "curtail long jail sentences, for first-time, non violent crimes."

Like long jail sentences for things like obscenity charges from showing internet porn to a college girl, the charge Greene is facing? LOL.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-18   11:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1) (Edited)

I LIKE ALVIN!

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-18   11:23:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#0)

unemployed man who can't explain where he got the money to file as a political candidate and who is facing a felony obscenity charge

Damn, that sounds like me. Maybe I should be a politician.

For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX

Turtle  posted on  2010-06-18   11:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada (#0)

Greene got lucky. His name appeared first on the ballot and may have had a more dulcet-sounding tone to it, and there is little evidence that anyone knew much about either candidate before the election.

you just gotta laugh....

christine  posted on  2010-06-18   11:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#4)

Greene got lucky. His name appeared first on the ballot and may have had a more dulcet-sounding tone to it, and there is little evidence that anyone knew much about either candidate before the election.

I think I'll change my name to "Lance Goodthrust" and see how many votes I can get.

For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX

Turtle  posted on  2010-06-18   11:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Turtle (#5)

He didn't get lucky. He's a wonderful singer.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-18   11:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada (#0)

Folks thought they were getting this Al Green........I'd vote for this one too.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-18   11:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: abraxas (#7)

LOL

GMTA

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-18   11:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

Must be telepathy. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-18   11:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ada, Jethro_Tull, Original_Intent, christine, James Deffenbach, IndieTX, Horse, randge, Patriot Henry, bluegrass, ada, farmfriend (#0)

The explanation is simple.

Republicans own ES&S voting systems which were used at the polls.

The PUBs want their man to face the weakest candidate.

The Pubs didn't dare steal the last presidential election (or, the shadow govt ordered them to sit that one out so a black would be at the helm when the economy is dismantled)

The PUBs finally got up the nerve to use the machines again to rig a state primary, and the DEM Party has agreed to accept the results (to avoid being called racist for contesting a black in their own party winning, or to avoid the big question, "Why didn't you oppose Bush's theft of two elections when the exact same suspicious anomalies were evident?")

Americans in general and South Carolinians in particular are unaffected by computer voting experts testifying that "the machines used in South Carolina are susceptible to tampering and error." (Humans are susceptible to a process known as "sensory adaptation")

Would it surprise you to learn that both parties are controlled by the same foreign govt and all elections are rigged for the benefit of the largest recipient of American largess?

Summary:

Either the PUBs rigged it or shadowy foreigners (unnamed, just as they were when fingered for forging the phony yellowcake letter) did it, and ES&S machines provided the means with their no audit software which is never questioned by anyone but pain-in-the-ass emotionally retarded children in adult bodies who still believe in fairie tales about honesty, integrity, and govt of, by and for the people.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-06-18   12:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

I LIKE ALVIN!

Yeah but my heart still belongs to Blago! LOL.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-18   12:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)

Either the PUBs rigged it or shadowy foreigners (unnamed, just as they were when fingered for forging the phony yellowcake letter) did it, and ES&S machines provided the means with their no audit software which is never questioned by anyone but pain-in-the-ass emotionally retarded children in adult bodies who still believe in fairie tales about honesty, integrity, and govt of, by and for the people.

A lot of reporting is indicating that no one knew either Dim on the ballot and they just voted for Greene because he was listed first.

Not everything is a conspiracy though it is apt to point out that SC has really insecure voting machines. That's an argument for going back to a voting system with a real verifiable audit trail.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-18   12:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)

Would it surprise you to learn that both parties are controlled by the same foreign govt and all elections are rigged for the benefit of the largest recipient of American largess?

The best book on the subject, imo.

christine  posted on  2010-06-18   13:00:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)

Would it surprise you to learn that both parties are controlled by the same foreign govt and all elections are rigged for the benefit of the largest recipient of American largess?

R U funnin' me?

That couldn't ever happen in Amurka.

Asides Gawd sez we got to s'port Isrul. Mah Paster sez so'.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-18   20:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)

The PUBs finally got up the nerve to use the machines again to rig a state primary, and the DEM Party has agreed to accept the results

You cannot imagine the people voted out an incumbent. By saying the primary was rigged, you attack the people's movement to unseat incumbents. The fact of the matter is that you are a plant for the very politicians you complain about.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-06-18   23:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#12) (Edited)

A lot of reporting is indicating that no one knew either Dim on the ballot and they just voted for Greene because he was listed first.

Not everything is a conspiracy though it is apt to point out that SC has really insecure voting machines. That's an argument for going back to a voting system with a real verifiable audit trail.

You could be right.

It seems odd that the folks who even bother to vote in primaries wouldn't know who they're voting for.

Around these parts primary turnouts are really stinko compared to general elections. It's usually the true believers, you know, hardcore "pull one lever and vote the party" types who are voting for the incumbent and union members who are urged to vote for a certain candidate, etc. Casual voters who wanna "take part in the democratic process" just don't vote in primaries. Hell, most don't even know when primary votes are cast. There's none of the hoopla, campaign signs etc., that we see, even during off year elections.

I'd be surprised to learn that Southern Democrats went to the polls in SC and didn't know for whom they were voting. If they did and they voted for Greene to hand the *incumbent (a moderate DEM with an impressive resume) his walking papers then my hat's off to them. But, that explanation about "Greene was listed first on the ballot" sounds kinda like what we'd expect from a media and others who won't dare say what others are whispering.

Which seems mores plausible to you, that the anti-incumbency movement kicked off in SC knowing it would guarantee a Republican victory or, that the PUBs are back at it with their rigged voting machines again?

The stark contrast between the absentee ballot results and the voting machine results is also a strong indicator of mischief. And now there are news stories like this:

Jim DeMint gets the kind of opponent candidates dream about.

EDIT: I've since read that Rawl, a former circuit court judge and a past member of South Carolina House of Representatives was not the incumbent. So, he may not have been much more familiar to voters than Greene.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-06-20   15:56:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PaulCJ (#15)

You cannot imagine the people voted out an incumbent. By saying the primary was rigged, you attack the people's movement to unseat incumbents. The fact of the matter is that you are a plant for the very politicians you complain about.

Rawl was not the incumbent, but his name is known as part of the establishment.

If they want Republican Jim Demint to win (Hah!) it's just as likely that they'd change their party affiliation and vote for him.

You need to prove that DEMs in SC in any numbers want to see the PUB win for any reason. He's the rich man's candidate as his voting record clearly shows.

There is zero evidence that DEMs want Demint. (I'd find the other excuse, "Greene first on the ballot and Rawl wasn't much better known) more plausible.

And, there is ample evidence that Republicans will hedge every bet and steal elections. This is more plausible than the idea that SC DEMs are leading the pack in the party turning on Obama.

I don't want to hear any half-assed explanations from people who aren't even a little bit suspicious of ES&S voting systems.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-06-20   16:15:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#16)

I'd be surprised to learn that Southern Democrats went to the polls in SC and didn't know for whom they were voting. If they did and they voted for Greene to hand the *incumbent (a moderate DEM with an impressive resume) his walking papers then my hat's off to them. But, that explanation about "Greene was listed first on the ballot" sounds kinda like what we'd expect from a media and others who won't dare say what others are whispering.

The first-name-on-ballot advantage is generally considered to be about 5% if both candidates are unknown. At least, I read that somewhere.

And Green's opponent was an equally unknown former judge/legislator. He was also white which might mean something if any of the papers ever ran pics of the two candidates.

Anyway, I'm interested in following this odd election but I'm not exactly married to it. Holler if any new facts surface.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-20   16:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TooConservative (#18)

The first-name-on-ballot advantage is generally considered to be about 5% if both candidates are unknown. At least, I read that somewhere.

And Green's opponent was an equally unknown former judge/legislator. He was also white which might mean something if any of the papers ever ran pics of the two candidates.

The more I look at this the more plausible the explanation of "Greene on top" seems.

The sticking point for me is, who goes to the polls when they don't care who wins and both candidates are DEMs?

"Hey Myrtle, says here that guy we voted for wants to cut social security by 50 percent and give it to the nigras for rep...rep....reparashuns!!!!"

Of course if Vic Rawl was truly despised as a judge no one would dare say it. And we out of staters wouldn't know that it was a factor. But, if that was the case it would show in the absentee ballots.

No, this was another ES&S victory, I believe.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-06-20   17:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative, buckeroo (#18) (Edited)

Anyway, I'm interested in following this odd election but I'm not exactly married to it.

After viewing several interviews with Greene, including his delays understanding basic questions, and his refusals to discuss his military discharge or his pending felony obscenity charges, I believe he's not all there.

That said, I think his unscripted replies instead of having immediate talking points to spit out make his answers seem like those coming from someone who can think instead of read from a bull$hit script.

An excellent description of him is the "Forest Gump" of South Carolina politics.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-20   18:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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