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Title: Costner's 'dream' machines debut
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Published: Jun 20, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-06-20 11:20:15 by buckeroo
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News agencies reported on the actor's premiere staged at the docks in the oil industry supply port of Port Fourchon in southern Louisiana as BP began deploying 32 of his "dream" machines to separate oil from water. Costner's backdrop was an oil-finding barge with his machines mounted on the deck. "At its core, my dream, this machine, was designed ... to give us a fighting chance to fight back the oil that's got us by the throat," Costner told reporters. "When you are in a fight, anybody knows you go to confront it right where it is. You don't wait for it to come to your door," the actor said. Costner's company, Ocean Therapy Solutions, signed a contract with BP to provide 32 units expected to work in the next 60 days. BP Chief Operating Officer Doug Suttles would not disclose financial details. Costner said each machine, called a V20, can separate 210,000 gallons of oily water a day. Costner, best-known for such films as "Dances with Wolves" and "Waterworld," stressed he was no overnight oil spill sensation. He has been trying to employ the technology designed by his company for the past 17 years, and has invested more than $20 million of his own money in its development. The technology was developed two decades ago by a researcher at the Idaho National Laboratory by scientist David Meikrantz, who initially sought to use the machines to separate the components of nuclear substances. In 1993, INL licensed the technology to Ocean Therapy Solutions, a company owned by Costner. Poster Comment: There is hope, yet folks.
Hollywood star Kevin Costner debuted Friday in his supporting role as a Gulf oil-spill fighter.
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#39. To: wudidiz (#38)
wud it iz: de welt is me playground as wong as me me pal, O_I is blowing chemtrails with me. Dos ebil chemtrails ned us!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
lol....I predict that one will stick.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Some dead zones have already been mitigated and reversed, including but not limited to government programs. While the Black Sea "cleanup" was largely unintentional and involved a drop in hard-to-control fertilizer usage, 8] the U.N. has advocated other cleanups by reducing large industrial emissions.[From 1985 to 2000, the North Sea dead zone had nitrogen reduced by 37% when policy efforts by countries on the Rhine River reduced sewage and industrial emissions of nitrogen into the water. Other cleanups have taken place along the Hudson River [9] and San Francisco Bay.[1] Here is a revealing, simple approach from the practical side of farmers. Hay tossed onto the oil in the ocean will attract the oil to itself (remember, oil and water don't mix, but hay and oil become a bonded pair), and continue to float on the surface until large seaweed harvesters come by and pick it up. It can then be delivered to a future forest, inoculated with mycelia from mushrooms which would feed off of the oil and convert it to food. The resulting biomass will pick up some of the diverse flora and fauna of the region as seeds are delivered to the pile by the local birds and animals. Trees can be planted nearby, and based on known evidence, one of the most lush forest areas in the state will soon follow. Summary Bottom line is that natural answers already exist - and they are more effective, and more powerful, than the chemical attempts. Of course, vested interests also exist which prefer you do not know of these natural measures, but their world is rapidly crumbling before our eyes, and an entire world focused on cooperation for the betterment of the whole is now emerging from the shadows. The solutions are simpler than we think. The question is, are we, as a society, going to mandate that these natural solutions, or others like them, be implemented now? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley In an exclusive interview, Ken Price, a 14 year oil industry veteran, talked about his experience in the industry and his contempt for the failure of B P to cap the Deepwater Horizon spill and the environmental ramifications. DJW: What back ground and experience do you have in the oil industry? KP: I started out with a major oil company right after I earned my BS degree in Mechanical Engineering from Berkeley, Ca. and worked in the commercial marketing and engineering division for fourteen years. I spent a great deal of time around large stationary engines used in power generation and manufacturing. DJW: Have you witnessed corruption first hand in the oil industry? KP: One time, on a visit to New York, my group got to tour the main office (of oil corporation)and meet some of the higher ups, and it was during this visit that I heard them boast about the actual number and occurrences of oil shortage predictions in the United States. My memory went back to about 1972, the now infamous Arab Oil Embargo. Their memories went back to the early 1900's, with additional ones occurring about every ten years. They freely admitted that it was through the public illusion "of a finite amount of oil being present on the planet", like only a certain number of diamonds in South Africa that they could convince the public to pay a decent profit for it. Otherwise, it would be like charging for water. Today, I believe we should get on with much more efficient and non polluting resources like crystal hydrogen, hydrogen from water, and a host of others, electric cars for example we could produce in weeks, that are by today's standards a thousand times better than petroleum. DJW: You were open to being interviewed, because you said the Deepwater Horizon set off a “primeval planetary defense system” in you. Could you elaborate on that feeling? KP: The arrogance that I see displayed here by the oil companies, the fact that they are willing to take chances with our ocean, just seems out of line with any fellow human beings who plan on living into the future. How did they ever decide for themselves to take such chances? And for what? There are so many other places where they have already discovered oil and are simply not using it. Drilling beneath the seas, especially where it is so deep is another dumb idea, just like requiring all gas stations to put their tanks underground so now we can't see the leaks into the soil. So, let's just say that there are some unbelievably stupid things being allowed to happen. DJW: You said the oil industry is very corrupt and you have not fought against it due to the feeling of being powerless. What made you decide to speak up now? KP: I said the oil industry is as corrupt as the statement "petroleum is a non-renewable energy source". Everyone would agree that all plant and animal life comes from a combination of elements on earth in conjunction with sunshine as the source of energy. DJW: Are you saying the best kept secret by the oil industry is that oil can be synthesized and it can be a “renewable source”? KP: Yes, we can make oil ourselves using algae and sunlight. Keep in mind, the most efficient solar collector is the plant. Every plant on this planet is thus a very efficient solar collector. We just simply need to embrace the concept. One other note I want to add is the horrendous volumes of oil it takes to provide the energy needs of the planet. We spend countless dollars on trucks, tanks, pipelines, oil tankers, ports, refineries, etc. Isn't it time to take a look at a more efficient form of energy, one that is more compact or dense so-to-speak? Can a 500 hp car run on a cup of hydrogen crystals for a year? It is possible. DJW: Lamar McKay, head of BP testified before the Senate on Tuesday and he said, “no amount of resources will be spared to clean up the oil spill and mitigate the damages”. Do you believe him? KP: Anyone who would trust an oil company executive or spokesman today could probably be declared legally insane. I mean think about it just one moment and ask yourself when have they ever told us the truth? They always under-report the size of a spill and the danger to animals and workers. In the case of the Exxon Valdez it has been 20 years and only 1/10 of the claims have been handled. Less than 4% of the oil was recovered. Ask anyone associated with fishing in Prince William Sound and they will tell you that the mess was never cleaned up. DJW: BP representatives have repeatedly said, “we will pay all ˜legitimate claims”. Do you think the repeated use of the “legitimate” forecasts that their attorneys will come up with evasive definitions of “legitimate”? KP: This well is leaking upwards of 1.2 million gallons a day; these are BP's own figures. They acknowledge that if the valve breaks that it could be upwards of five million gallons a day. So the idea that they will cover all legitimate claims is a physical impossibility. DJW: Environmentalists are calling for Interior Secretary Ken Salazar’s resignation, because he didn’t reform the Mineral Management Service. If he had done so, safety regulations would have been reinstated to the level with the rest of the world and the explosion could have been avoided. Is that a fair assessment? KP: It is a very partial assessment. Someone high in the Bush Administration approved the rig knowing that it was not going to have an acoustic blowout preventer. Then there's the question of who approved a floating type of platform in the first place, one that relies on diesel powered thruster engines in conjunction with a GPS positioning system to "hold" it in one place above the well. Most people were taken unawares that such a thing had ever been approved. Most believe that this platform was anchored to the bottom when it was actually held in place by a non-failsafe system. This is an idea that should never have gotten by anyone who had ever experienced a hurricane at sea. DJW: Do you have any other examples of corruption and greed by oil companies? KP: I'll give you another example. The plastic bag, a new "invention" brought to us via the petrochemical industry which replaced biodegradable paper. The plastic bag is not biodegradable but yet they are able to market it as a "disposable". How they get away with this gives you some indication of the lobbying power this conglomerate has. The fact that the act of converting paper to plastic requires an increase in petroleum production clearly contradicts their statements that they are trying to find ways to conserve energy and reduce oil dependence. Similar conversions have occurred with packaging, furniture, home building materials, clothing and a zillion manufactured items that are now (poor quality) junk by yesterday’s standards. Ken Price considers himself to be a kind of “planetary watchdog” and the world could use many more just like him. ***Delilah Jean Williams 2010
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
WOE IS US. WOE IS US. WOES IS US. Where was this FUCKER 14 years ago? What are they charlatans and gas-bags like you?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
lol....I predict that one will stick. Like glue - or Tar Balls. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Helping O_I understand ANYTHING is about as worthwhile as reading his speculative conjectures from obscene sources. O_I claims we are doomed.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
But, Nostradumbass, YOU claim we are all doomed because of globull warming, peak oil, and too many billions and billions of people. How can we snuff out 4-5 billion to solve all of these terrible problems?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Maybe they could all just drink themselves to death?
GO FUCK yourself: if we could just kill billions and billions of people, then everything would be okay.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
No, it's wisdumb. Or so it seems anyway. Someone who is always carrying on about the discredited theories of global warming and peak oil and claiming that the earth is severely overpopulated, yet makes no effort to ameliorate the problem(s) by taking himself out is not to be taken too seriously.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You can manage any deficit of resources caused by too much demand by requiring birth rate to be less then natural attrition by normal death rate. Unless you do, the death rate spike when the size of a population reaches a tipping point causing war and starvation when hunger and hate is fueled by need. It isn't a fun process, much as reducing the national deficit can never be. But it is just as necessary a thing to do for obvious reasons.
Who has the right to do that? Noone.
LOL! Good one.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Yeah, thanks. :-) "The TV says BP's okay and there's too many people."
The PONZI scheme is caused by government. By increasing a population base, theoretically the income revenues also increase. In America, this idea of sustainable populations lead to illegal immigration problems. It is BACK_FIRING, all around the world. Why? Earlier socialist programs for the publick were based upon an increasing tax base backed by increasing populations. It was all a lie and worked well during times of economic growth. Today, the house of cards concerning sustainable growth is showing true colours.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Bovine excrement. You are merely justifying war, hunger and hate which arises from an inability to WORK TOGETHER for the common good. There is no spiking death rate, in fact, life expectancy has been steadily on the rise in the midst of war and hate. If only, doctors would stop saving so darn many lives then we could increase the number of deaths. The only thing that is infinate is human stupidity.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Gee, Buck, for one who continually blames the human population as the cause of all problems we face, you sure are bitchy when it comes to solutions. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I am not measuring the death rate, I am merely saying it is an undeniable reality that is the only way populations change that can be used to manage them. You put a meter/yard stick to it, not me.
Wouldn't an increase in the death rate solve the pesky overpopulation problem? More wars, famines, and hate should assist in your goal, Mike.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Machiavellian thinking is a way to look at what you talk about here and manipulate it so that it works to accomplish the ends rulers and industrialists wish to see, that's all.
Mike, you are the one manipulating as you claim overpopulation leads to war, hate and starvation. I make no such claims. I don't see overpopulation as the problem, I see human stupidity as the problem.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
There is enough hate, unjust death and misery in the world. I would never support increasing any of it for selfish self interest. I would love to see the natural balance of things restored in my lifetime; but never, ever at the expense of the needs or lives or others.
No, it's wisdumb. Or so it seems anyway. Someone who is always carrying on about the discredited theories of global warming and peak oil and claiming that the earth is severely overpopulated, yet makes no effort to ameliorate the problem(s) by taking himself out is not to be taken too seriously. Hee, hee. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
If I were so stupid as to think that war, hate and starvation were that easily explained, I would never have earned the trust that allowed me to become a staff sergeant in a combat arms unit in the U.S. Army. I merely cite aspects of causative factors creating such bad things.
I'm confused. In this post you ask "Where was this FUCKER (Ken Price) 14 years ago," yet in your post number five you heap derision upon Kevin Costner, whose company has been working on perfecting centrifugal technology to clean up oil spills for 17 years. Actor or not, the guy has put his money where his mouth is to the tune of more than $20 million dollars. I'm glad to see that someone in the private sector had the wherewithal to see that there needed to be a way to clean up oil spills, doomsday scenario or not. It's also refreshing to see a Hollyweird person actually do more than run their mouth about a problem while not doing anything to try and solve it or demand that the government (taxpayer) "do something" to fix whatever pet project they are involved in. This guy seen the problem, hired scientists and began working towards a solution. Bully for him. Since most of his movies are chick-flicks, I'm not a big fan of Kevin Costner the actor, but since learning the story behind Ocean Therapy Solutions, I give him big kudos. The technology is supposed to be able to clean water at the rate of 200 gallons per minute so if the technology works as advertised it will be a tremendous help.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
lol....your personal experience in the military is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Promotions come not from trust, but rather an ability to accept and comply with the chain of command. That's not trust, it's submission to highly effective training designed to promote group think.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Of course. Not some off the wall bum, that said for years, "the sky is falling." Personally, I am tired of these antics. Everyone wants to be some sort of HERO without doing anything at all.... unlike Costner. The technology is still infant, btw. But it was created as a direct result of Exxon's Valdez spill.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Oh I don't know, trust has allot to do with promotions. And I was in the sort of unit that valued individual initiative. Suffice it to say I merely pointed out I made a paycheck for nine years because war exists. That does not make me many kind of expert, but it does cause me to be somewhat amused when another infers I have a poor working knowledge of dynamics causing and sustaining armed conflict. You really should not get so excited over a post sparked by the sense of being somewhat amused by your post. I respect your point of view, whether I agree with all, some or most of it or otherwise. ;-)
1. I made no inference, rather an inquiry into what you stated in your post. 2. Not at all excited about it. War has been raging for eons, Mike. It's not new and only the justification for war alters by degree throughout history. The one constant that makes it all possible is that infinite supply of human stupidity and continual short term thinking. This world is abundant, Mike. This silly notion that humans MUST war for resources is merely justification, not fact.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
We have a surplus of it.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" And serves a few sociopaths to use the gullible masses to fight "Just War" for control of these resources, the control of the few sociopaths.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I worry too about the Gulf Stream - the gusher could affect the fisheries of the north-eastern Atlantic. And tourism too, the west coast of Ireland won't be able to boast about it's unspoiled beaches anymore.
Now we have a REAL environmental catastrophe involving oil, so presumably the Mainstream Media are going hysterical right now.... no, on second thought, they're keeping quiet about this. Interesting.
Some computer studies are already indicating that below-surface currents will eventually move large amounts of the mess up the Atlantic seaboard and then swirl around and settle in the mid-Atlantic. Gulf Oil Spill Threatens Atlantic Coast: Study "I've had a lot of people ask me, 'Will the oil reach Florida?'" NCAR scientist Synte Peacock said in a statement. "Actually, our best knowledge says the scope of this environmental disaster is likely to reach far beyond Florida, with impacts that have yet to be understood." At least 20 million gallons of oil are believed to have spewed into the Gulf of Mexico since an April 20 explosion tore through a BP-leased rig just off the Louisiana coast, making it the worst spill in US history. The NCAR simulations suggested once oil entered the Gulf of Mexico's "Loop Current" -- part of the Gulf Stream which sweeps around the Florida panhandle -- it would be only weeks before it reached Florida's Atlantic shores. From there, the current could take oil as far north as Cape Hatteras, North Carolina, before turning east, the simulations showed. It was not know whether the oil would be a thin surface layer or whether it would be below the surface. The NCAR, a Colorado-based facility supported by the National Science Foundation that works with university scientists, emphasized however that the simulations were not a forecast because it was impossible to accurately predict the exact location of the oil in several weeks or months time. However all six simulations released Thursday suggested oil would work its way into the Loop Current and along the Atlantic coastline. So we'll see how this NCAR work is regarded by people who trash science simulations as having hidden agendas. We may also get to see in a few months how credible these simulations and predictions really are.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley I can only say that that's not good, not good at all.
Now we have a REAL environmental catastrophe involving oil, so presumably the Mainstream Media are going hysterical right now.... no, on second thought, they're keeping quiet about this. Interesting.
as 4um's demigod (O_I) would succinctly say: those Bilderbergers are the reason for everything gone wrong. Of course, to cover his over-used hype, he will then say: and the FED! and the GOVERNMENT! and the UN! and the Zionists! and CFR! and the tax-man! and the tri-lateral commission! and the industrialists! and the UFOs! and the chemtrails! and the war-mongers! and the BANKERS! and the cropcircles! You would almost think he has every base covered BUT ... he missed the unknown comic!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It so happens that the organization - National Center for Atmospheric Research, same staff, and likely the same computer systems, that is saying Global Warming is here, are predicting the gooey petromess from the Gulf Spill will end up mid- Atlantic - with a few customary caveats. And we won't have to wait until we're under water in 2050 to find out if they know what they're talking about either. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Maybe these are the days of the apocalypse as others suggest Taking your remarks a step further.....What if the BP spill is an answer to al Qaida prayers???? Who have promised inshallah to drag the US into bankruptcy ala the Soviet Union? With more supernatural rebukes forthcoming...Zowie...
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Cheers...and let's hope the oil leak's been plugged by then...regards... Plug the damned hole, oh Great&MercifulLordMessiahObama...MUD Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Of course, the Obamabot RATS R N Control, ALL Criticism SHALL Cease and Desist!! Regards...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
#40. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach (#20)
Nostradumbass
#41. To: Original_Intent (#36)
Dead zones are reversible. The Black Sea dead zone, previously the largest dead zone in the world, largely disappeared between 1991 and 2001 after fertilizers became too costly to use following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the demise of centrally planned economies in Eastern and Central Europe. Fishing has again become a major economic activity in the region.[8]
Four Natural Solutions to Oil Spill Cleanup3) Paul Stamets' Mushroom Solution for Oil Spills
Mushrooms
The Mushroom Solution TED Video takes you to a world authority on mushrooms Paul Stamets and the mushroom’s ability to help us clean up our environment. In the middle of the TED video, you will see a picture of a small mountain of mushrooms that grew off of a combination of petrochemicals, drastically reducing its petroleum count, while building the beginnings of a dynamic ecosystem. 4) Hey, What About Hay? Video Hay
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#42. To: Nostradumbass, christine, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, all (#37)
by Delilah Jean Williams
#43. To: Original_Intent (#42)
In an exclusive interview, Ken Price, a 14 year oil industry veteran, talked about his experience in the industry and his contempt for the failure of B P to cap the Deepwater Horizon spill and the environmental ramifications.
#44. To: abraxas, James Deffenbach, wudidiz, Nostradumbass, all (#40)
Nostradumbass
#45. To: AGAviator (#41)
#46. To: buckeroo (#45)
O_I claims we are doomed
#47. To: abraxas (#46)
How can we snuff out 4-5 billion to solve all of these terrible problems?
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#48. To: abraxas (#46)
#49. To: Original_Intent (#31)
Is the great sage, formerly known as Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass still sharing his ever delightful rabbit pellets of wisdom?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#50. To: abraxas (#46)
"How can we snuff out 4-5 billion to solve all of these terrible problems?"
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#51. To: Ferret, abraxas (#50)
requiring birth rate to be less then natural attrition by normal death rate.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#52. To: wudidiz (#38)
"Poor, poor BP. They were just trying to help. It's the population's fault. Kill all the bad peoples. SAVE BP!!!"
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#52)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#54. To: Ferret (#50)
#55. To: Ferret (#50)
Unless you do, the death rate spike when the size of a population reaches a tipping point causing war and starvation when hunger and hate is fueled by need.
#56. To: buckeroo (#48)
#57. To: abraxas (#55)
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#58. To: Ferret (#57)
I am not measuring the death rate
#59. To: abraxas (#55)
"Bovine excrement. You are merely justifying war, hunger and hate which arises from an inability to WORK TOGETHER for the common good."
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#60. To: Ferret (#59)
Machiavellian thinking is a way to look at what you talk about here and manipulate it so that it works to accomplish the ends rulers and industrialists wish to see, that's all.
#61. To: abraxas (#58)
"Wouldn't an increase in the death rate solve the pesky overpopulation problem? More wars, famines, and hate should assist in your goal, Mike."
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#62. To: James Deffenbach (#49)
Is the great sage, formerly known as Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass still sharing his ever delightful rabbit pellets of wisdom?
#63. To: abraxas (#60)
"Mike, you are the one manipulating as you claim overpopulation leads to war, hate and starvation. I make no such claims."
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#64. To: buckeroo (#43)
Where was this FUCKER 14 years ago? What are they charlatans and gas-bags like you?
#65. To: Ferret (#63)
I would never have earned the trust that allowed me to become a staff sergeant in a combat arms unit in the U.S. Army.
#66. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#64)
[costner's] The technology is supposed to be able to clean water at the rate of 200 gallons per minute so if the technology works as advertised it will be a tremendous help.
#67. To: abraxas (#65)
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#68. To: Ferret (#67)
when another infers I have a poor working knowledge of dynamics causing and sustaining armed conflict. You really should not get so excited over a post sparked by the sense of being somewhat amused by your post.
#69. To: Ferret (#61)
There is enough hate, unjust death and misery in the world
#70. To: abraxas (#68)
This silly notion that humans MUST war for resources is merely justification, not fact.
#71. To: Original_Intent (#12)
but along with the death of the Gulf Fishery, will go the tourist trade
#72. To: irishthatcherite, buckeroo, Original_Intent, farmfriend (#71)
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I worry too about the Gulf Stream - the gusher could affect the fisheries of the north-eastern Atlantic
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#73. To: AGAviator (#72)
#74. To: AGAviator (#72)
#75. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, farmfriend, irishthatcherite (#74)
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as 4um's demigod (O_I) would succinctly say: those Bilderbergers are the reason for everything gone wrong
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#76. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent (#75)
Where be my abiotic theory? -- Original_Intent, circa another thread on 4um in a galaxy far, far, far away away from a sane mind.
#77. To: buckeroo (#7)
(Edited)
According to Original_Intent, we are looking at the end of the world, now. O_I, often suggests that only prayer remains to save us.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#78. To: Ferret (#8)
"Here's a toast for January one, Twenty Thirteen; may we all be here alive to raise our collective glasses as the ball falls at Times Square to herald it's start."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#79. To: buckeroo, pinguinite (#74)
"we ought to lay off the criticism"
-- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
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