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Title: World Net Daily has some BREAKING NEWS on ELIGIBILITY
Source: World Net Daily
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/
Published: Jun 20, 2010
Author: WND
Post Date: 2010-06-20 21:27:55 by Itistoolate
Keywords: None
Views: 6263
Comments: 175

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#6. To: Itistoolate (#0)

As usual the WND fruitcakes miss the point.

The individual on the clip says explicitly at the end that Obama was a legal US citizen at the time of birth, and the objections to his Presidency are based on racial, ethnic, and cultural bigotry.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-20   22:25:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The individual on the clip says explicitly at the end that Obama was a legal US citizen at the time of birth

He also said Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, a fact born out by Obama's refusal to produce a long-form birth certificate. Of course he can't produce that which doesn't exist. He is a fraud.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-20   22:27:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

born [sic] out by Obama's refusal to produce a long-form birth certificate

Being a legal US citizen from birth trumps producing documents satisfactory to k00ks.

Furthermore any alleged reasons for claimed absence of such k00kaccepted forms must themselves be proven - and not merely the products of conjecture by someone who can only say that he didn't personally see them himself.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-20   23:30:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Being a legal US citizen from birth trumps producing documents satisfactory to k00ks.

Furthermore any alleged reasons for claimed absence of such k00kaccepted forms must themselves be proven - and not merely the products of conjecture by someone who can only say that he didn't personally see them himself.

You're not quite right in the head. But I have been knowing that since my days posting on John Deere's forum. Answer me this, if you can. Do innocent people spend upwards of 2 MILLION dollars to hide the document that would prove their claims? Sane people wouldn't. So I will ask you what I asked another one of Obama's sycophants. Is it your argument that your hero is insane?

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-21   6:23:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Do innocent people spend upwards of 2 MILLION dollars to hide the document that would prove their claims? Sane people wouldn't.

The claim he has spent $2 million on this matter is pure k00k$hit.

As I state above, every single case has been dismissed out of hand without even proceeding to discovery or interrogatories.

All his lawyers have had to do is tell the courts the reasons the courts have no standing, and in all cases the courts have completely agreed within days or weeks. The only other time they have to spend is ~ possibly ~ listen to the judges swat down one idiotic Birfer argument after another.

So I will ask you what I asked another one of Obama's sycophants. Is it your argument that your hero is insane.

No, my argument is that you're insane for believing such a stupid claim. However just for laffs let's ~ momentarily ~ presume that telling courts to dismiss cases, which the courts then swiftly do, does cost lots of money for the winnning defendants. How much more money did the losing accusers spend with their windbag arguments which get swatted down right and left, then denied on appeal, than the lawyers who simply state "The court has no standing because of this, this, and this?"

'Elebenty billion?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

pwned.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-21   8:41:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You're full of it Obama worshiper. If I cared enough to take the time to find it, there was an article some time ago on LP that stated that he had spent close to a million and that was from official sources. And it has almost doubled since then. But I don't care enough to waste the time because even if I did you would have some other excuse/lie for your hero. You Obama sycophants make me want to puke.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-21   8:46:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Reading the O'bots on the thread is hoot. It is almost as good a re-reading Edgar Allen Poe's "The Telltale Heart". No matter how hard they try those pesky facts keep on beating and beating.

1. Having a judge dismiss a suit is a technical maneuver and is not a judgement based upon the facts of a case. It is simply a statement by the Court that the Plaintiff, in the Judges OPINION, does not have a substantive interest involved and thereby lacks legal standing to bring suit. IT IS NOT A RULING UPON THE FACTS.

2. No matter how hard they try to dodge it the fact is that it costs lotsa' money to hire those attorneys to argue that the plaintiff has no standing.

3. The matter of standing is an issue hotly debated in legal circles as there is, in many cases, no clear guiding law establishing whether a plaintiff does or does not have "standing" which is a principle not established in the Constitution but one established from Admiralty Law and is a principle ruled upon by the Judges OPINION and is not founded in either the Constituion or the U.S. Code.

4. No matter how hard the O'bots try to sidestep the issues no trial has yet been allowed by our corrupt legal system to get to the matter of fact finding.

5. Despite no Judicial fact finding we can nevertheless observe, as intelligent adults (except O'bots) that Mr. Barry Barack Soetoro Obama is very shy for a politician. He has made it a point to suppress and keep hidden every major substantial FACT which would establish his legal and Constitutional standing to hold the office of President of the United States. It does not require a court ruling to observe that Mr. Soetoro-Obama has not, and likely cannot, produced any record, birth certificate, or any other legal form of proof that establishes his eligibility to hold the office of President of The United States. In fact quite the contrary as he has gone to great lengths to keep suppressed any formal record which could validate his eligibility for office.

Records supressed and held secret include the following:

Besides his actual birth documentation, documentation that remains concealed for Obama includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

In fact no one at Occidental College recalls Barack Hussein Obama, but they do recall Barry Soetoro - a citizen of Indonesia with an Indonesian Passport. Indonesia, unlike the U.S., DOES NOT allow dual citizenship. You CANNOT acquire an Indonesian Passport while holding citizenship in another country e.g., The United States.

Mr. Soetoro traveled to Pakistan at a time when U.S. Citizens not on official business were forbidden to go there on a U.S. Passport. So, which country's Passport did he use? Mr. Soetoro was over the age of majority at the time and thus if he traveled on an Indonesian Passport he was NOT a U.S. Citizen, OR he committed fraud.

Mr. Soetoro entered Occidental College under unknown status and the College will not release the records nor make them public. If Pastor James Manning is correct it would have been because he applied for admission as a foreign student. If he received financial aid as a Foreign Student then he was not and is not a citizen of the United States and is in fact an illegal alien who has overstayed his Student Visa OR he committed felony fraud. It is one or the other but not both.

I could go on as the anomalies regarding Mr. Soetoro's background only deepen the further we go. Why does he appear in no Student Yearbook or in any other membership activity at Columbia University? Why do no students recall him? Why is there nothing whatsoever to actually indicate he ever attended classes there?

No, no matter how hard the O'bots and quislings whine and mutter the facts will not go away - "...and yet the heart still beats."

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-21   16:48:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You Birferk00k idiots shamelessly violate the most basic premise of Constitutional and American jurisprudence: A man is innocent until proven guilty, and all charges must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

And then you claim to be protecting the Constitution while you engage in such scurrilous tactics!

None of you has ever offered the slightest proof of any of your charges in any court anywhere. All cases have been dismissed for lack of jurisdiction and lack of substantive evidence.

So eager are you to propogate your untruths that you eagerly glom onto the wildest anonymous speculation and forgeries only available on anonymous Internet k00ksites.

Your idiotic statements about millions of dollars being spent to tell judges the plaintiffs have no evidence and the court has no jurisdiction even if there were, are a case in point. Facts are one attorney was working for free, and all the others state it was so easy to get the judge to swiftly dismiss the cases the legal work was minimal. The majority of the court's time was the judges saying "Wrong....wrong....wrong" to the k00k plaintiffs. The Obama lawyers could barely get words in sideways - not that they needed to.

Then there's the incident where your idiotic Queen Bee lawyer offered patently forged material to a court which was breathlessly reported by an equally idiotic news site.

You've got a nifty false front op going here. Make anybody with objections to the status quo look like a blithering idiot filing suits right and left. Yah, that's really accomplished a lot the last 3 years.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-21   17:16:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

First Logical Fallacy: "You Birferk00k idiots shamelessly violate the most basic premise of Constitutional and American jurisprudence: A man is innocent until proven guilty, and all charges must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt."

Lets see, we have Loaded Words, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and False Analogy.

A. "BiferkOOk idiots". Argumentum Ad Hominem Loaded Words.

In other words since you are unable to refute the facts, which ARE facts, you resort to name calling and ridicule to divert from the FACT that you have no valid counter-argument. Your "argument" differs in no essential way from saying "anyone who questions the magnificence of the sacred Obamessiah is a heretic". Means about the same thing too.

B. The presumption of innocence is a legal doctrine which applies to a criminal trial not to a public debate or the observation of apparently obvious conclusions, based on the facts in evidence, in a public discussion.

So eager are you to propogate your untruths that you eagerly glom onto the wildest anonymous speculation and forgeries only available on anonymous Internet k00ksites.

Your proof of that Ad Hominem attack is?

You have not refuted a single instance, as listed in my post, of the documents which your Obamessiah is frantically spending millions of dollars to keep suppressed.

Again all you are doing is throwing up logical fallacies hoping something will stick to the wall.

Oh, and have I personally attacked you? Other than by dismembering your shallow vapid logically false tirade? You seem wound entirely too tight. Might I recommend a nice glass of a mellow Red Whine?

"Your idiotic statements about millions of dollars being spent to tell judges the plaintiffs have no evidence and the court has no jurisdiction even if there were, are a case in point. Facts are one attorney was working for free, and all the others state it was so easy to get the judge to swiftly dismiss the cases the legal work was minimal. The majority of the court's time was the judges saying "Wrong....wrong....wrong" to the k00k plaintiffs. The Obama lawyers could barely get words in sideways - not that they needed to. "

Of course the attorneys are working for free, the payments to Perkins Cole listed in the FEC filings are for Girl Scout Cookies.

Again the dismissal of a case using technical grounds says NOTHING about the facts. It says that the case was dismissed on technical grounds. It is an interesting theory as well - "citizens governed under the Constitution have no standing to challenge the legitimacy of an Office Holder". Well "Seig Heil" to you too.

Then there's the incident where your idiotic Queen Bee lawyer offered patently forged material to a court which was breathlessly reported by an equally idiotic news site.

Please link to any Post I have every made citing Orly Taitz as a reference.

I'm waiting.

Still waiting.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt! Time's up!

The answer is: NEVER. Not even once.

You're still batting a 1,000 - false on every account.

"You've got a nifty false front op going here. Make anybody with objections to the status quo look like a blithering idiot filing suits right and left. Yah, that's really accomplished a lot the last 3 years."

Again your opinion unsupported by any facts. Congratulations, you successfully avoided addressing any issue intelligently, and completely avoided the fact that Mr. Soetoro-Obama (The Man with 16 SSN's) is withholding, hiding, suppressing, keeping secret, concealing, shrouded, covered up, and refused to disclose any of the records which document his history or would definitively settle the question.

Do, normal honest people spend millions of dollars in legal fees to avoid producing a $15 copy of a document that proves their innocence?

Only in the mind of a Bushite or O'bot is the answer to that question yes.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-21   19:58:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Of course the attorneys are working for free, the payments to Perkins Cole listed in the FEC filings are for Girl Scout Cookies

So why did McCain spend $1.5 million on his own 2008 legal fees compared to Obama's total $1.7 million, imbecile?

Did McCain have his own legal challenges to citizenship that he somehow swept under the rug and made sure they never got publicity?

BWAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Just Show Me Evidence that Obama Has "Spent Millions" Defending Birth Certificate Lawsuits?

Ten Easy Points! Just show me evidence that Obama has "spent millions" defending birth certificate lawsuits?

Lots of people on this site say that Obama has "spent millions of dollars" defending himself against birther lawsuits.

How do they know how much he has spent?

Before you say "He MUST have spent a lot because lawyers are expensive," let me point out that I am a lawyer, and I know that filing a simple motion to dismiss for lack of standing--which has worked for almost every one of these lawsuits--is very CHEAP. A junior associate can crank one out in ten minutes, and they cost almost nothing to file.

So can anyone provide concrete evidence that Obama has spent millions of dollars defending birther lawsuits? Do you have copies of legal bills? Statements by any of Obama's personal counsel? Where's the evidence?

February: Your links show the TOTAL LEGAL bill from Obama's campaign. They don't show the amount spent on defending birther lawsuits.

just cause: Your link ALSO shows the TOTAL LEGAL BILLS for the ENTIRE CAMPAIGN. Campaigns have many legal expenses. There is no reason to believe that your amount was used SOLELY to defend against birther lawsuits.

...

The simple truth is that general counsel for a campaign has a wide array of tasks that they must complete, from ensuring candidates are on the ballot in all 50 states to contracting leases for the campaign HQ's to ensuring compliance with FEC requirements. Honestly given the amount that Obama outearned McCain it is surprising that the disparity in legal fees is not much greater.

...To February; you find my response to be crude because you aren't capable of logical reasoning. You cite FEC filings as proof that Obama has spent millions defending birther suits, I tell you McCain has spent $1.5 million compared to Obama's $1.7, and your defense is that he has a history traceable to his great granparent. Ignoring the total lack of relevance of your response, I suggest you conduct some more throrough research into Obama's great grandparents Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham, Sr. and Ruth Lucille Armour, then crawl back under your rock.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-06-21   20:36:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#85. To: AGAviator (#79)

Poor Agravator, I guess all that money was for Girl Scout Cookies after all.

Wanna buy a Bridge kid?

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-21 20:59:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am a lawyer, and I know that filing a simple motion to dismiss for lack of standing--which has worked for almost every one of these lawsuits--is very CHEAP. A junior associate can crank one out in ten minutes, and they cost almost nothing to file.

What is the basis for ALL of these "lack of standing" dismissals ?

Looks to me like any American should be able to sue (having standing) to demand the birth certificate.

My point is that the Constitution lacks standing in FEDERAL COURT. The FEDERAL (reserve bank) Govt. is not the one formed by the Constitution.

The medium of exchange is the best evidence of the choice of law.

The Constitution operates when the medium of exchange is Constitutional MONEY. When the medium of exchange is debt based, fiat currency or better said CREDIT or COMMERCIAL PAPER, then the law is no longer the law of the land based upon substance drawn from the land, it's Law of Commerce/Contracts which is Admiralty Law, or Law of the Sea.

Today the Constitution is as irrelevant as Soetero's birth cert.

noone222  posted on  2010-06-21 21:09:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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