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Title: World Net Daily has some BREAKING NEWS on ELIGIBILITY
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World Net Daily
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/
Published: Jun 20, 2010
Author: WND
Post Date: 2010-06-20 21:27:55 by Itistoolate
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I'd bet the attorney for Lt. Col Terrence Lakin is licking his chops over
this.
"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." So what is this breaking news? I went to the site. Will this be published in their Monday edition?
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Interesting. The one glaring error on the COLB still stands out - listing his father's race as "African" which was not used as a racial category at that time. Of course we already knew he was ineligible but getting into court to prove it is another matter. No Judge can hear this and then rule on the facts and live - they're scared to death of it.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Praise Hey-Sus!
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
As usual the WND fruitcakes miss the point. The individual on the clip says explicitly at the end that Obama was a legal US citizen at the time of birth, and the objections to his Presidency are based on racial, ethnic, and cultural bigotry.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley He also said Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, a fact born out by Obama's refusal to produce a long-form birth certificate. Of course he can't produce that which doesn't exist. He is a fraud.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You got that comment perfectly correct.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
why did the Supreme Court 'refuse' to hear the case? A Birth Certificate is not a Certificate of Birth.
A Birth Certificate is not a Certificate of Birth. WRONG. The USSC refused to hear the petitions ( as I recall there are about 20 petitions) because they can't.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
why? are they deaf?
LOL! Deaf, yeah, that's the tickiiiiiiiiittttttttttttt!!!!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. No. There is no significant merit in the case. It is considered trivial and conspiratorial. The president is the president. They can't turn back the clock. [there is no USSC requirement for a president's background other than historical political vetting]. This stuff is a waste of time.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
he was not sworn in in the prescribed manner ie left hand on the Bible
And? After he was sworn in twice with his right hand holding a KING's_X does that matter?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Other than the fact that a foreigner is illegally occupying the White House you mean?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. there was NO Bible when he took the oath the second time
Even your famous Chief Justice Roberts swore 0bama into office.... twice over. Does that matter? There is no precedent in America's history to preclude the process. 0bama was vetted by his own party hacks: it is perfectly legal.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
He is not MY "chief justice" and no, it wouldn't matter if he swore him in every day all day long. Foreigners don't qualify to be president. As you well know or should know.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Where in the US Constitution does a president have to place his hand and oath based upon any document other than a silly declaration of: Best ability of office? What a fucking pile of shit oath.... and you worry about a Bible? [edit: with a certain hand? that's merely a ceremony you are considering. Any incoming president can pull out his dick and start masturbating/fucking in Genesis if he wants.] There is no law against it.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
OK ... so how do you appear as a "constitutionalist?" Just whimpering?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Being a legal US citizen from birth trumps producing documents satisfactory to k00ks. Furthermore any alleged reasons for claimed absence of such k00kaccepted forms must themselves be proven - and not merely the products of conjecture by someone who can only say that he didn't personally see them himself.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley He also said Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, a fact born out by Obama's refusal to produce a long-form birth certificate. Of course he can't produce that which doesn't exist. He is a fraud. __________________________________________________________________________________ Besides his actual birth documentation, documentation that remains concealed for Obama includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records. Best estimates place the amount of money spent to suppress, and keep suppressed, the documentary record of Mr. Soetoro is about Two Million Dollars. Nobody spends Two Million Dollars to suppress records that prove their innocence. Mr. Soetoro is not only a fraud but a knowing fraud and has committed multiple felonies. He is nothing but a common criminal infesting the Office of the Presidency illegally.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Nobody spends Two Million Dollars to suppress records that prove their innocence. Mr. Soetoro is not only a fraud but a knowing fraud and has committed multiple felonies Wrong, wrong, wrong. Try getting your information from other sources than k00ks. The great majority of the frootloop filings were dismissed out of hand. They never even proceeded to discovery or interrogatories. All Obama's lawyers had to do was show up in court and cite the relevant chapter(s) and verse(s) - the same from one case to the next, from one state to the next, from one venue to the next - stating why the lawsuit was bogus, or why the court had no standing even if it weren't. You don't run up your pretend $2 million tab telling the courts why the lawsuit should be $hit canned, and then the courts agreeing you within a few days or weeks. On the contrary, it's the losers who end up paying the bulk of the court's expenses and in more flagrant cases, the attorney fees of the person they've wrongly charged.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Furthermore any alleged reasons for claimed absence of such k00kaccepted forms must themselves be proven - and not merely the products of conjecture by someone who can only say that he didn't personally see them himself. You're not quite right in the head. But I have been knowing that since my days posting on John Deere's forum. Answer me this, if you can. Do innocent people spend upwards of 2 MILLION dollars to hide the document that would prove their claims? Sane people wouldn't. So I will ask you what I asked another one of Obama's sycophants. Is it your argument that your hero is insane?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Nobody spends Two Million Dollars to suppress records that prove their innocence. Mr. Soetoro is not only a fraud but a knowing fraud and has committed multiple felonies. He is nothing but a common criminal infesting the Office of the Presidency illegally. Exactly. But his sycophants and the 20% or so of TRUE BELIEVERS will never accept that. There is always some portion, around 20-25% of brain dead people who worship one or another scuzzy politician.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. That's the obvious and absolute truth. I've stopped wasting any time argueing with these equivalents of lumps of wood.
Yes, trying to get through to the TRUE BELIEVERS™ is a waste of time. Only people who are certifiable are still carrying water for the Kenyan communist. The main reason to post facts about what he has spent to keep his bc hidden is not for the TRUE BELIEVERS™ but for lurkers who might not know otherwise. The TRUE BELIEVERS™ are down with Obama no matter what.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You related to Badeye by any chance?? Yer comment is prima facie evidence of gross incompetence at argument. That's like saying being an eye surgeon trumps "producing documents satisfactory to k00ks." I don't care where you went to school or practiced before, you have to pass the boards in my state or you are not a specialist. O-worshipers are lawless savages.
The claim he has spent $2 million on this matter is pure k00k$hit. As I state above, every single case has been dismissed out of hand without even proceeding to discovery or interrogatories. All his lawyers have had to do is tell the courts the reasons the courts have no standing, and in all cases the courts have completely agreed within days or weeks. The only other time they have to spend is ~ possibly ~ listen to the judges swat down one idiotic Birfer argument after another. No, my argument is that you're insane for believing such a stupid claim. However just for laffs let's ~ momentarily ~ presume that telling courts to dismiss cases, which the courts then swiftly do, does cost lots of money for the winnning defendants. How much more money did the losing accusers spend with their windbag arguments which get swatted down right and left, then denied on appeal, than the lawyers who simply state "The court has no standing because of this, this, and this?" 'Elebenty billion? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! pwned.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley You're full of it Obama worshiper. If I cared enough to take the time to find it, there was an article some time ago on LP that stated that he had spent close to a million and that was from official sources. And it has almost doubled since then. But I don't care enough to waste the time because even if I did you would have some other excuse/lie for your hero. You Obama sycophants make me want to puke.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Being a legal US citizen from birth trumps producing documents satisfactory to k00ks. You related to Badeye by any chance?? Yer comment is prima facie evidence of gross incompetence at argument. FACT: This video which purports to be an expose of Obama's non-citizenship status actually has its protagonist saying Obama was a US citizen and the opposition to his status comes from ethnic, racial, and cultural animus and not from any legal considerations. FACT: I state several times above the totally unsubstantiated claims of spending $2 million, or any substantive amounts of money, to defeat these frivolous cases, are unsubstantiated pure k00k$hit. FACT: I've never expressed substantive support of Obama because So since you can rebut none of the statements, you come out trying to link me to somebody else with an argument ad hominem
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley I rebutted that stupid argument at the time it was posted. The k00ksource included all legal expenses of which defending against the m00nbeam chasers was a tiny fraction. You're full of it and you will find no such numbers. I repeat, it doesn't cost a whole lot of money to show up in court, tell the judge the chapter(s) and verse(s) that invalidate the suit, have the judges agree with you on every point, then dismiss the cases as fast as the k00ktiff arguments get swatted down. Your claim that I "worship Obama" because I won't join your k00k Birfer cult is similarly false. Obama has not kept some very basic promises he made and he allows the Israel lobby and a slavish congress to frame the terms of what he does. The US needs to do better or it will go down with the Jewish state, and power will move West with China obtaining solid connections and overland access to resources, all the way from its western borders to Africa.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley World Nut Daily is not an ***official source*** by any stretch of the imagination. Wiki: Obama Conspiracy Theories Farah's WorldNetDaily has since upped the claimed expenditure to $1.7 million, on the basis of the Obama presidential campaign paying out that much since the election to the law firm of Perkins Coie. However, as Mother Jones magazine has pointed out, the campaign has had to employ lawyers to wind down its post-election operations and meet campaign finance law requirements.[120] At least one attorney representing Obama in the litigation has stated that he is working without pay. [121] Other attorneys interviewed by Mother Jones have stated that the "birther" lawsuits have been so weak that they have been easily resolved with "extremely minimal" monetary costs. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Amen. We have here someone who worked in the elections office, whose knowledge of birth certificates was very sketchy. The Hawaii Health Dept itself says that it no longer issues the long form, that the short form that Obama made public is the only replacement b/c it now issues; this is primarily because of fairly recent privacy laws, as the long forms in some states asked all sorts of personal and intimate details about the parents. Hawaii law requires nothing less than a court order to produce anything other than that short form. In addition, both Honolulu newspapers reported his birth within ten days. There was even a newspaper interview with one of his elementary school teachers who remembered talking to the very doctor who attended his birth. We have more thorough documentation of Obama's birth than of most other presidents! The Director of Hawaii's Health Dept has attested that the Obama's b/c, which says he was born in Honolulu and that the birth was registered within two business days, is the genuine article. Even the Republican Governor of Hawaii says the same. Hillary and McCain undoubtedly had professionals investigating that issue and couldn't come up with anything. In a court case in the District of Columbia, both the US Dept of State (which is responsible for passports) and the Dept of Homeland Security (which inherited responsibility for immigration & naturalization from the DOJ) officially said that Obama was not born outside the US, that he is a natural born citizen. No one has produced legally acceptable evidence to the contrary.
Shoonra, can't you crawl back in your rat hole and spare us the leftist propaganda you spew on a daily basis. If I wanted to read your crap, I'd buy a newspaper. How come I get the impression I could kick your worthless, treasonous ass with one hand tied behind my back?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Like telling a bunch of Birfer k00ks their lawsuits have no merits no matter how many times they go into one court after another to get dis-missed?
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Or trying to convince a statist st00ge (like yourself) of the truth Anyone who thinks obama is a legit US citizen has rocks in their little empty head, again like you
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
You k00ks have never understood you aren't the final arbiters of citizenship, the Constitution, or any other matters. It is the collective voice of the American people, taken as a whole, and the institutions they validate. You shamelessly violate the most fundamental principle of American justice: Innocent until proven guilty. Since you're totally unable to prove your contentions, which a real American would be obligated to do, instead you make a lot of noise, call a lot of names, demand proof while giving none of your own, paint yourselves into a corner by endlessly repeating disproven assertions, and do a real good job making anybody opposed to the status quo look like a blithering idiot. That's the real "false front op," going on here.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley The fact that the title of this thread misspells Eligibility doesn't do much to support the notion that the birfers are correct. So far, birfers have repeatedly fallen down on the job of the producing persuasive evidence: photographs of purported foreign birth certificates - conflicting with each other and also with known history (such as the fact that Mombasa was part of Zanzibar when Obama was born), rumors, opinions of conspicuous non-experts, etc. Against the birfers, all the evidence I mentioned in a previous message, plus a resolution of the House of Representatives, another from the Hawaiian legislature, and more than ten different court decisions, that Obama was a natural born citizen of the US.
For one court, Oily Taitz, Birfer Queen Bee, filed a motion for the court to authenticate a forged Kenyan Obama Birf Certificate easily debunked on the Internet. Also Taitz has some investigation pending before the California Bar, and has been slapped with $20,000 of court costs for filing a frivolous law suit after repeated instructions by the judge to shut her yap.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Reading the O'bots on the thread is hoot. It is almost as good a re-reading Edgar Allen Poe's "The Telltale Heart". No matter how hard they try those pesky facts keep on beating and beating. 1. Having a judge dismiss a suit is a technical maneuver and is not a judgement based upon the facts of a case. It is simply a statement by the Court that the Plaintiff, in the Judges OPINION, does not have a substantive interest involved and thereby lacks legal standing to bring suit. IT IS NOT A RULING UPON THE FACTS. 2. No matter how hard they try to dodge it the fact is that it costs lotsa' money to hire those attorneys to argue that the plaintiff has no standing. 3. The matter of standing is an issue hotly debated in legal circles as there is, in many cases, no clear guiding law establishing whether a plaintiff does or does not have "standing" which is a principle not established in the Constitution but one established from Admiralty Law and is a principle ruled upon by the Judges OPINION and is not founded in either the Constituion or the U.S. Code. 4. No matter how hard the O'bots try to sidestep the issues no trial has yet been allowed by our corrupt legal system to get to the matter of fact finding. 5. Despite no Judicial fact finding we can nevertheless observe, as intelligent adults (except O'bots) that Mr. Barry Barack Soetoro Obama is very shy for a politician. He has made it a point to suppress and keep hidden every major substantial FACT which would establish his legal and Constitutional standing to hold the office of President of the United States. It does not require a court ruling to observe that Mr. Soetoro-Obama has not, and likely cannot, produced any record, birth certificate, or any other legal form of proof that establishes his eligibility to hold the office of President of The United States. In fact quite the contrary as he has gone to great lengths to keep suppressed any formal record which could validate his eligibility for office. Records supressed and held secret include the following: In fact no one at Occidental College recalls Barack Hussein Obama, but they do recall Barry Soetoro - a citizen of Indonesia with an Indonesian Passport. Indonesia, unlike the U.S., DOES NOT allow dual citizenship. You CANNOT acquire an Indonesian Passport while holding citizenship in another country e.g., The United States. Mr. Soetoro traveled to Pakistan at a time when U.S. Citizens not on official business were forbidden to go there on a U.S. Passport. So, which country's Passport did he use? Mr. Soetoro was over the age of majority at the time and thus if he traveled on an Indonesian Passport he was NOT a U.S. Citizen, OR he committed fraud. Mr. Soetoro entered Occidental College under unknown status and the College will not release the records nor make them public. If Pastor James Manning is correct it would have been because he applied for admission as a foreign student. If he received financial aid as a Foreign Student then he was not and is not a citizen of the United States and is in fact an illegal alien who has overstayed his Student Visa OR he committed felony fraud. It is one or the other but not both. I could go on as the anomalies regarding Mr. Soetoro's background only deepen the further we go. Why does he appear in no Student Yearbook or in any other membership activity at Columbia University? Why do no students recall him? Why is there nothing whatsoever to actually indicate he ever attended classes there? No, no matter how hard the O'bots and quislings whine and mutter the facts will not go away - "...and yet the heart still beats."
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
If I remember right she's an Israeli dual citizen, isn't she?
You related to Badeye by any chance?? Yer comment is prima facie evidence of gross incompetence at argument. I'll yield to all the things you stipulate as "facts." I'll also withdraw the ad hominem about Badeye. But I stand by my statement that your first statement above is no sort of argument in this discussion at all. I had to produce a long form to be naturalized. If I hadn't I would have been invited to take a hike.
There is no long form.
So much for America celebrating a new Hope by a burst of enthusiasm and idealism at the "election" of a marxist mongrel-dog of questionable heritage. The construction of the new political and economic system and the conversion of the whole nation to a new set of attitudes just can't seem to get off the ground, fortunately.
_________________________________________________________________________ You Birferk00k idiots shamelessly violate the most basic premise of Constitutional and American jurisprudence: A man is innocent until proven guilty, and all charges must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. And then you claim to be protecting the Constitution while you engage in such scurrilous tactics! None of you has ever offered the slightest proof of any of your charges in any court anywhere. All cases have been dismissed for lack of jurisdiction and lack of substantive evidence. So eager are you to propogate your untruths that you eagerly glom onto the wildest anonymous speculation and forgeries only available on anonymous Internet k00ksites. Your idiotic statements about millions of dollars being spent to tell judges the plaintiffs have no evidence and the court has no jurisdiction even if there were, are a case in point. Facts are one attorney was working for free, and all the others state it was so easy to get the judge to swiftly dismiss the cases the legal work was minimal. The majority of the court's time was the judges saying "Wrong....wrong....wrong" to the k00k plaintiffs. The Obama lawyers could barely get words in sideways - not that they needed to. Then there's the incident where your idiotic Queen Bee lawyer offered patently forged material to a court which was breathlessly reported by an equally idiotic news site. You've got a nifty false front op going here. Make anybody with objections to the status quo look like a blithering idiot filing suits right and left. Yah, that's really accomplished a lot the last 3 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Oily Taitz If I remember right she's an Israeli dual citizen, isn't she? Yes, that's where she gets her double standard of demanding that others provide proof, while she can provide none of her own.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley If I remember right she's an Israeli dual citizen, isn't she? Yes, that's where she gets her double standard of demanding that others provide proof, while she can provide none of her own. I like how you twisted that around. Clever. Seemed to me like she was a disinfo plant. You know, k00k conspiracy stuff and all that....
Isn't the onus on Obama to prove he's a citizen before becoming President?
Oily's job doesn't REQUIRE NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP as a prerequisite for employment. Omaba's DOES. Why is this SO difficult for you to grasp?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Hey numbnuts, JUST SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
JUST SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE Hey k00ksucker. You got as much business seeing his BC, as you have seeing his weenie to assure yourself he's a man. Deal with it, fool.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Excellent summation. I know that you are well aware that the Obots are beyond help but it is good to put out the info for lurkers who may not know the truth about the Kenyan.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. People and institutions have already offered proof and testimoony that Obama is natural born US citizen, including the person on the latest WND Video. You and Oily have nothing of any substance to rebut that proof and testimony. Instead she and other nitwits scream demands for proof without offering any proof of their own that anything is wrong. Therefore the proof and testimony already offered will stand, and your charges will be dismissed because you have nothing to prove them. QED.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley A man is innocent until proven guilty, and all charges must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Isn't the onus on Obama to prove he's a citizen before becoming President? He did that as part of his electoral process. He does not have to do it for every pinhead who screams demand for proof without showing any evidence there was anything wrong with what he already did.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley I do so love the way the BushO'bots argue. As far as I'm concerned they are "six of one half dozen of the other". This commits two logical fallacies: It is both an unsupported assertion of the form P therefore Q., it asserts something as true without factual support, and then uses itself to prove itself thus also making it a circular argument. Then just for good measure we get Argumentum Ad Hominem i.e., through the use of another fallacy Loaded Words i.e., "kOOks". So, that argument is totally fallacious and specious. Logically it is garbage and relies only on misdirection to catch the mentally lazy and unwary. And a couple of references (first one uses FEC documents reproduced at the source): Obama law tab up to $1.4 million Note the 1.4 Million to the Law Firm of Perkins Cole was as 10 Aug. 2009. The Meter is still running and two million is probably an under-estimate. Perkins Cole is the Law Firm which has represented Oh'bummer in all legal proceedings regarding the suppressed and hidden records. Obama Scrubs the Web of All Birth Docs Many links and cross references in the article. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What proof? I've not heard of ONE SINGLE PERSON who claims to have seen Obama's original BC. If you know of one, please post the information. I've heard no testimony regarding his orignal BC. It's all testimony about the copy that people CLAIM should be "proof" of his birth. I have my original BC, so it's not TOO much to ask that the POTUS cough one up. I don't think much of Oily, but I see no reason why Obama can't provide the proof of his qualifications to hold his position.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You do realize there are news articles, from time, and various other reputable sources that touted him as the kenyan born senator when he won that sham election in illinois right? Don't tell me that I have to post them, because, they are all over the net.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
I'll say this one more time ... "THERE AIN'T NO CONSTITUTION" the Law of the Land has been usurped by the law of COMMERCE since we all utilize commercial paper to transact business. The Courts and the STATES collect taxes and fines etc., in commercial paper as opposed to money (real money like silver or gold like the CONSTITUTION RELIES UPON). When the Constitution plainly says that NO STATE shall make anything payable for debt other than gold or silver coin, the moment promises to pay (fiat debt based currency) became acceptable as LEGAL TENDER the Constitution became a mere PROMISE and not the law. The Law of the Sea (LAW MERCHANT) has been in full force since at least 1964. So, what the Constitution says about anything is irrelevant as pertains to law. It's an illusion to keep the slaves from rioting. C'mon ... get real ... the Constitution is a CON, a GD piece of worthless paper, and Americans are so addicted to their credit cards, bank accounts, checks, Socialist Security that they've forfeited the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS, settling for privileges at the whim of their MASTER - UNCLE SAMBO. EDIT: My tagline mentions the census. Have you ever wondered why the Census is handled by the DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE ? Why not HEALTH and HUMAN SERVICES ? Until people realize that the monetary system dictates the CHOICE OF LAW we will do without a constitution. I'm going to post a letter that I received yesterday from an ex-attorney that speaks to this issue because I am weary of the Constitutional arguments that are really bullshit. And the reason we don't have a Constitution is because like the Indians that sold New York for a few beads we've pretty much done the same, only we have done it for "credit" and "convenience" ... so enjoy your banker approved privileges as long as they last. LETTER: The motivator for this note is the popular "patriot" idea, which is getting more circulation recently, that the Founding Fathers CREATED the "governmental system" that is presently being used an instrument of destruction of this nation. They didn't. It is extremely tempting just to stop right here. There is an inordinate number of other matters that require attention. But, that misguided perspective drives to the heart of the activity that perpetuates this nation's, and the world's, misery. To understand the legal aspects of the fundamental difference between Money and "funny money" is to understand the galactic disconnect between the work product of the Philadelphia Convention and today's "federal government." So, duty thwarts and triumphs over temptation yet again. [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] One of these days, this author may have and apply much more uniformly the sense of humor advocated in his book as the superior method of response to these outrageous ideas. At that time, he expects to be able to present these same ideas via humorous anecdotes. That day, if it exists, is still off in the future, somewhere. It might be nice if learning our present legal reality were an enjoyable task. It just isn't, because at the threshold we have to realize that we've "been had." Smart people are vulnerable in this area, because they are among the last ones to admit to themselves that they've "been had." But, smart people will confess having "been had" a LONG time before those who have invested their careers, which means their lives, quite literally, into understanding and defending "the Constitution." Thus, lawyers, judges, and those in the military form the bulwark of what this author expects to be the longest term hold outs on accepting the legal reality of our present circumstances. For this reason, this author expects this "debate" to continue for quite a number of years, which estimation presumes this nation holds together that long, and then perhaps long into the future, as well, via the Monday morning quarterbacking "forensic failure analysis" discussions. There are many still suffering under the myth of a Constitution. There are a small but growing number in the "valley of the shadow of the paradigm shift." And, there is a very, very small number who have survived the journey and are becoming all the more literate with the legal reality. To be on the reality side of this rather wicked paradigm shift is to see, quite plainly, the galactic disconnect between "original America" and "today's Amerika." Those who still need to play "the blame game" are the very ones who are the least likely to understand either the problem or the solution. To understand both the problem and the solution, one needs to be ready, willing, and able to accept personal responsibility, which is the last thing that "the blame game" players want to do. They would have to admit having "been had," and they'd have to change their minds about practically everything. For the vast majority of them, it's easier to shove peanut butter in their ears than to admit they were intellectual deficient in their understanding and analysis of the matter. To discuss this at all is to be compelled to hold in mind long enough to do so one of the most egregiously incompetent and manifestly deranged ideas about government in America that may ever exist in the mind of an American, namely that we should blame the Founding Fathers for our present situation. However, to discuss this at all is also to realize that sight and blindness are in the hands of The Lord God Almighty. While the teacher prepares the lesson, The Teacher prepares the class. It's impossible to compel anyone to attend class. Only those who want to be there are there. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. To refuse to see is, though, to confess just exactly how wicked the paradigm shift is. [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] There are two popular classes (schools of thought) of "constitution-ists." (A "constitution-al-ist" is someone who supports a "constitution-al," which for many has everything to do with a certain human hygiene activity involving the alimentary canal; hence, "constitution-ist.") One popular class of constitution-ists is represented by the popular conservative radio talk show hosts. They will look you (or at least the microphone) straight in the eye and tell you that we've got a Constitution and that it's just not being followed at all. This is the class that wants "to restore the Republic." These people blame all kinds of people, but mostly the governmental officials and the controlled media. The other popular class of constitution-ists is represented by the view motivating this note, namely that we've got a Constitution and that things are exactly as they were designed and intended by that document and those concepts. These people blame the Founding Fathers, among others, including certain religious groups. There is a third class of "constitution-ists." This class consists of those who recite quite confidently a date and an event in history after which the "constitutional Government" ended. However, in confirmation of their confused understanding of law and history, they turn right around and continue to argue the Constitution as if it were both relevant and authoritative, i.e., against their very own assertion and conclusion that it no longer constitutes the basis for the present "federal government." A lot of these people like to blame the lawyers and the judges. There is even a fourth class of "constitution-ists." This is the school of thought in which this author found himself for a number of years. There are those who realize that nothing about government has anything, whatsoever, to do with any Constitution. Yet, they have been taught "the Constitution" and those ideals, which ideals are very appealing. They read statutes and judicial opinions, and they see references to "the Constitution" everywhere. Thus, "to have and to hold" those ideals and to try to make sense out of the galactic disconnect between what they find written on the page under the label "Constitution" and what they see actually occurring under the "power" called "government," they conclude that there are, in fact, two different systems running in parallel. They label those systems "de jure" (to refer to the "constitutional" system) and "de facto" (to recognize the actual activities being conducted under the name and label of "government"). These people, by and large, blame a lot of different people: legislative, executive (to include law enforcement), and judicial officials, lawyers, religious groups, and etc. If there's another class of "constitution-ists," that school of thought is not coming to mind at present. To be a constitution-ist is to have no understanding of our present reality. To be a constitution-ist is still to be living a daydream. To be a constitution-ist is to perpetuate the intellectual prison that the "new world odor" types need for people here to remain in just a little bit longer. Thus, to be a constitution-ist is to damage the very cause that those good people intend to advance. At the end of the day, all classes of constitution-ists are wrong (absolutely, totally, completely, dead, flat, stinkin' wrong) about "everything" material about our present legal reality. (Yes, this author realizes that committed constitution-ists and those new to this discussion may have just felt as if they were whopped up side the head with an unpadded 2x4. Feel free to thank this author for that at any time.) [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] In order to see why/how all constitution-ists are wrong about "everything" about the present "federal government," we have to learn some relevant history, and we have to learn some law. The benefit is, we already know both. We've just never been given permission to put the pieces together. Therefore, consider yourself permitted, even encouraged, to put the pieces together. Back in the day, the hebrews (a label that means "one who crosses over," i.e., a "colonizer"), i.e., the Western European Caucasians, set up shop here in America. They did so under commercial arrangements with "the king" (which happens to be David's Throne, which God had promised would endure). In time, there arose territorial friction, and there were wars both in Western Europe and in America against a common enemy. The British eventually prevailed in Western Europe; the Americans, in America. "The king" (think also Parliament) thought he had "benefited" his colonies by helping win the war here, so he had no hesitation in levying "taxes" here to defray the costs of that war. Turns out that the Americans didn't quite see it that way. The Americans didn't see anyone other than Americans dying in the French-Indian wars on the side of the Americans, and they certainly didn't see much British support for that very successful American effort. So, they weren't interested in defraying British costs that simply didn't exist. One thing led to another, and we had such events as The Boston Tea Party (December, 1773). Sentiments were running quite high, of course, and it's during this time that The Declaration was made (July, 1776). Key for our purposes here are two concepts. (A) Based on what was actually our defiance of the original agreement with "the king," he (think also Parliament) "outlawed" us (which we probably deserved, given the legal standards at the time), and then declared war on us (a grave error). (B) Based on "the king's" refusal to set up legislative bodies to deal with local matters on this side of The Pond, we assumed the exercise of the legislative powers, declaring that the legislative power vested "in the People at large." Legally, what just happened? For "the king" to "outlaw" us, is for "the king" to put us beyond his protection. At that instant, Americans were legally severed from Britain, for good, and for all purposes. Regarding nationality, all those people were, of course, still Brits, having been born under that flag, but they were no longer part of Britain. See jus soli; cf. jus sanguinis. For "the king" to declare war on us is for "the king" to recognize us as an independent body politic. Independent bodies politic have a "form of government." We can analyze Scripture to establish the point that the default "form of government" for any body politic is "democracy." A little bit easier for us at this juncture is the realization that to label a government properly, we examine the placement and exercise of the Supreme Power, the Sovereign Power, the Law-making Power, the Legislative Power. Thus, for example, where the Supreme Power is placed in the hands of one person, that's a monarchy; in the hands of a small group, an oligarchy; or, in the hands of "representatives," a Republican Form. Where the Supreme Power, the Sovereign Power, the Law-making Power, the Legislative Power is placed in the hands of those with Suffrage, that's called a "democracy." To review, we refused to pay the "taxes" that "the king" (think Parliament) imposed upon us in order to defray the costs of the war in Europe, and, in retaliation, "the king" outlawed us and then declared war on us. To declare war on his own people would have been to commit Treason, among other crimes of that nature. So, to engage war, we first had to be separated out; hence, our being "outlawed." At that instant, "we" were politically severed from Britain, and we were recognized, internationally, as an independent body politic. Being an independent body politic, we had a form of government, which as a matter of law (via Scriptural principles) and as a matter of Declaration was that of a democracy. The legislative powers, which cannot be annihilated, vested in the People at large. At that instant, the form of government here, at the "national" level, was that of a democracy. [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] May a democracy change its form? Sure! How? By Law. How does a democracy create a Law? Today, that procedure is best recognized as "Robert's Rules of Order." What does that process look like? First, there has to be Notice to those with Suffrage of a meeting of those with Suffrage. Then, the meeting is called to order. Then, as "new business" is addressed, there is a motion that such and such language be voted into law. Then, there's a second. Then, there's the discussion phase, which gets into amendments and modifications of all sorts. Then, the question is called. Then, there's a vote. (A quorum of the) Majority vote carries the rule. At that time, who had Suffrage? White men, aged 21 or older, who owned land. If the democracy had activated the democratic Law-making process, what would that have looked like? For the democracy at the national level to activate the Law-making process, there would have had to have been meetings all over the 13 States in order that all with Suffrage be allowed to participate, i.e., given both the Notice and the Opportunity to participate. There would have had to have been a communications channel from a "central clearinghouse" location to and from all Counties in all 13 States. Via that communications channel, the "proposed Bill," i.e., the "Constitution," as proposed by those attending the Constitutional Convention, would have been reproduced in sufficient quantity to reach each County, and then as the meetings were held and the votes taken, and the amendments proposed, that information would have been sent the other way back up the line to the clearinghouse. That process would continue until the matter was concluded. Obviously, that process was never implemented. If the democratic Law-making process had been activated, all with Suffrage would have participated. Given an estimated population at the time of 2,000,000, and presuming that to include women and children, we take half to estimate the men, and then a percentage to estimate those of suitable age and land ownership. The number picked out of the thin blue sky in order to illustrate the matter is 80%. Thus, 80% of 1,000,000 is 800,000. If the democratic Law-making process had been activated, Notice would have been sent from "the clearinghouse" to each County with the intent of reaching 800,000 men. Then, that group of people would have congregated in their communities and recorded their activities, both in the receiving of the information from "the clearinghouse" and in the sending of the information to the "clearinghouse." There would not have been a "vote" of 13 commercial entities. There would have been a vote of 800,000 individuals. The former works just fine for commercial purposes, but it takes the latter to act "by Law." Based on this procedural reason alone, we see that the Constitution just simply never was. It simply never was "admissible evidence of Law." There was no Constitution. There has been no Constitution. There has been no "constitutional Government." The other obvious flaw with the Constitution is substantive. It nowhere defined "Citizen of the United States." There is a much longer discussion on this, but to get to the core problem, no one qualified to hold the office of President. Where there is no President, there is no legislative process, at all. There can't even be a veto to override, for there is no "presentment," because there is no one home to which to make any such presentment. That 10- day clock has never started, on anything. Also, where there is no President, there is no appointment, of anyone, to anything. In sum, the European-bank-supported agents provocateur who were participants in the Philadelphia Convention did a very brilliant job of sinking that ship even before it sailed, even before it ever launched. [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] All constitution-ists are wrong, because there never was any Constitution. That collection of ideas was never admissible evidence of law. No Republican Form was ever created, by anyone. But, we don't HAVE to know our history even to this overview level to realize how absolutely absurd and intellectually deranged it is to blame the Founding Fathers for today's abuses committed in the name of the "federal government." What we DO have to know, though, is the difference between Money and "funny money." [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] What was "the" problem compelling the calling of the Philadelphia Convention? "The" reason for calling the Constitutional Convention is that the States were destroying themselves, thus also the nation, by circulating "Bills of Credit." What is that? That's the "funny money" of the day. It's essentially a "promissory note" traded as if it were an asset. It's a IOU based on the "credit" of the State. Thus, a "Bill of Credit" is borrowed into existence, in exactly the same way that "federal reserve notes" are borrowed into existence right now. It may also be likened to the original "credit card," where things of value were obtained "now" in exchange for a "promise to pay later." To understand, then, solidly, once and for all times and purposes, the Founding Fathers' purpose(s), one must understand Money. To understand Money is to understand "funny money." To understand Money and to understand "funny money" is to understand the choice of law associated with each. [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] What is Money? It's an honest system of weights and measures. Money is popularly evidenced by gold and silver Coin. One of the best books available on this is Jim Ewart's, "Money: Ye shall have honest weights and measures." <http://>www.principiapub.com/> What is a "dollar?" Like a "pound," and an "ounce," it's a unit of measure that describes a defined weight. What is "funny money?" "Funny money" is anything used as a medium of exchange that doesn't have the intrinsic value assigned to it. What is the value of the cotton and etc. fibers that constitute a "federal reserve note?" How on earth can that same quantity/value of cotton and etc., fibers have multiple values, whether 1, or 5, or 100 units of whatever? It's the same amount of cotton and etc., fibers, but it has "market value" assigned to it according to the numbers printed on it. What is the value of the materials that go into a penny, or a nickel, or a dime? Where the medium of exchange has a value assigned to it that in no way represents the intrinsic value of that item of exchange, then we're dealing with "funny money." [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] Why the repetition of the "subliminal message?" Here's the first shoe. What circulates as the medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the "default" choice of law for that system. Where what circulates is Money, i.e., gold and silver Coin, then the "default" choice of law is "normal." Matters accruing relative to the land are decided per the Law of the Land, i.e., the Common Law, and matters accruing relative to any other place, i.e., relative to the water or to the air, are decided per the Law of the Sea. But, where what circulates as the medium of exchange is "funny money," formerly known as "Bills of Credit," i.e., quasi-debt instruments borrowed into existence, popularly known as "IOU's," then the "default" choice of law for all matters is the Law of the Sea. How do we know that? Because, under the Law of the Land, the circulation of "funny money" is, at best, fraud. In its full-tilt reality, the printing/"minting" and circulating of "funny money" in a Law of the Land system is Treason. It's literally an act of war against that system. These two money systems cannot co-exist simultaneously. There is either the one or the other. Either there is a "normal" application of the choice of law, or there isn't. The only way a "funny money" system may exist AND it's proponents NOT go to jail is for the foundational choice of law to be the Law of the Sea. [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] Why the repetition of the "subliminal message?" Here's the other shoe. At this juncture, reflect mightily on the legal environment for the alleged Constitution. Presume the Constitution into existence in that legal environment. What is and must be the default choice of law for that system, and how do we know? The default choice of law for that system is the Law of the Land. Not only does it say that flat out, but also is demands, compels, requires, nationally, the circulation of an honest system of weights and measures, as is communicated in many ways, including the prohibition on the States from allowing anything other than gold and silver Coin for the payment of debts. Let's review. "The" reason for the Philadelphia Convention was that our Founding Fathers, having brilliant foresight, saw exactly where the use of a fluctuating medium of exchange was taking this then-fledgling nation. See Roger Sherman's "A Caveat Against Injustice." Credit, as evidenced by paper money IOU's issued by "the States," was destroying the nation. The British have always been the world's masters at the dirty tricks campaigns, and "Bills of Credit" were just one more of those dirty-tricks campaigns. How does any nation really and truly destroy another nation? By getting that targeted nation to defy God. Thus, to get a nation away from God's principle of honest weights and measures is to get that nation into a financial frame of mind that is the equivalent of the middle-finger salute to God Almighty. In order to shut down the spread of that suicide-by-the-installment-method practice, and to shut down the God-defying mentality, i.e., the intellectual disease that enjoys and perpetuates that practice, the Founders sought to create a "super- sovereign," something over the States, in order to keep the States from falling prey to the dirty tricks campaigns. By so doing, they deflected whatever forces brought by the paper-money-pushers that might have been levied against the "local" officials away from the "local" officials and towards themselves, for they were in a much better position to absorb the "costs" of their understanding and duty. It was a self-less act. They put God and country above themselves. By establishing a national standard that prohibits the use of "funny money," the Founders specifically intended to prevent the very practices that this nation adopted hook, line, and sinker right after the assassination of Kennedy and which are destroying the nation today. Therefore, it is the height of intellectual incompetence, at best, even to hold in mind for a moment the thought that today's abuses in the name of the "federal government" were in any way, shape, manner, or form created by the Founding Fathers. The reality is so bright and clear that it hurts. For there to be a Constitution and that system, there must be, in general circulation, an honest system of weights and measures. In the contrapositive, where there is system of honest weights and measures in general circulation, there is no Constitution or its system. And, it should come as no surprise that the law fully supports the observation. There can't be a constitutional system running under the Law of the Land where all that circulates is the "funny money" scam. For there to be a "funny money" scam AND for there to be no criminal prosecutions for that line of conduct, the system in operation cannot, in a million years, be based on the Law of the Land. There's only one system of law that would allow it, and that's a system founded in the Law of the Sea. [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] How many other presidents were assassinated for opposing the Western European banksters and their plans for their "funny money" scam? Unknown, but Lincoln likely was, and some think that Zachery Taylor was poisoned. If so, then whether that motive had to do with a popular social issue of the day or opposition to the Western European banksters of the day is another matter for speculation. (The forensic tests in 1991 on Taylor were declared to have shown no arsenic poisoning. Oliver Stone's JFK came out in 1991, too, and there's still no popular discussion of that assassination that comes anywhere understanding the motive for that assassination. The one author that nails the motive is Craig Roberts in his "Kill Zone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza." . Until we understand the difference between Money and "funny money," in particular the choice of law associated with each, we won't understand the JFK assassination.) [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] To reflect, again, on the obvious, how relevant is the alleged "Constitution" where the default choice of law has changed away from the Law of the Land? Even if there were a Constitution, it'd be 100% irrelevant to and in any system based on the Law of the Sea. In a Law of the Sea system, everything is non- constitutional. Where the Constitution, even if it had ever existed, was rooted in a Law of the Land environment, it has absolutely, positively no direct relevance to anything about a system rooted in the Law of the Sea. The facts of this one scream at us daily, from our very own pocketbooks. We don't have an honest system of weights and measures in general circulation; therefore, how on earth could we even remotely be dealing with that alleged "constitutional" system??!! [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] Thus, Nossir! No one is justified in blaming the present problems on the Founding Fathers! Nossir! And a million times Nossir! In short, those interested in the legal reality need to be wary of anyone playing "the blame game" at any time for any reason, all the more especially of those who need to play "the blame game" focusing on the Founding Fathers. Those who blame the Founding Fathers confess before God and all witnesses assembled that they haven't got the first stinkin' clue what the law is. It's doubtful that the people who blame the Founding Fathers for today's problems will ever understand the obvious. Those who are wholesale committed to the idea that the thing to do is to blame the Founding Fathers are not expected to confess their intellectual shortcomings and deranged perspectives. Since they're already playing "the blame game," they are suggesting already that they are not "man enough" to accept personal responsibility. Perhaps they will, in time, but this author is definitely not holding his breath. Because there exists the expectation that we'll encounter more and more of that position in the near future, we must discipline our minds with the foundational reality in order not to be infected by their intellectually deranged point of view. Why does this author expect that position to circulate all the more? Because it's just one more "justification" to be used by the "internationalists" to market their position that Americans need to join the "new world odor." Where the very people (their descendants, actually) who are behind the "funny money" scam can sell the idea that there IS a "Constitution" and that it's the Founding Fathers and their Constitution who created this monster called the "federal government," rather than those who are behind the "funny money" scam, then they can benefit all the more from their lies and deceit. They can then sell all the more snake oil, promoting that "the solution" to the problem called the "federal government" is more of the same on a much larger scale via "the new world odor." It was the banks, very likely under Commission from God, Himself, who sabotaged the Constitutional Convention from the outset. (Who besides God could have blinded those people to the obvious so successfully? Who besides God can possibly have kept this nation blind to that same obvious problem for 230+ years, now?) It was the influence of the banks' agents provocateur who had infiltrated that Convention that prevented that group from producing the contemplated system of government. And, yet, in our present reality, if we're in the mode of looking somewhere, anywhere, other than in the mirror for the source of both our problems and our solutions, then we're not yet understanding the legal mechanism behind our present condition of voluntary bondage. [Subliminal message: The medium of exchange is the "best evidence" of the choice of law.] To leave this discussion at this stage is to leave it hanging. All that has happened to this point is a modest overview of the thinking required to understand the problem. Yet, in that thinking is also the solution. In our present environment, law isn't based largely on principles. The principles are there, of course, but that's not what "governs." What "governs" is semantics. Out of pure self-defense, then, we've got to adjust from thinking in terms of "principle-centered leadership" to terms of "semantics- based control mechanisms." In the game of semantics, it's critical that we understand, as in internalize, as in change our paradigm regarding, what "federal" means. We've been taught that "federal" means "national" and that "federal" means "constitutional." Those are ideas based on principles, but they are exposed as lies as we come to understand the semantics. "Federal" means "federal." "Federal" does not mean "national," and "federal" most certainly doesn't mean "constitutional." "Federal" means "federal." At the level of a "state," "federal" means "by compact" or "by treaty." At the level of the individual, "federal" means "by private obligation." There are two generic types of private obligations: contracts and trusts. No one goes to jail for mere breach of contract, while mere breach of trust is potentially a felony offense. This "federal" system is a commercially-created system. It functions commercially against individuals via voluntarily entered into "gotcha agreements" that just happen to be voluntarily entered into by millions of people all over the place. This "federal" system is not a system that has limits sewn into the fabric of any office. It was not created "by Law." It was created the way all commercial enterprises are created, namely by way of commercial declaration of existence. Who did that? People who may or may not have known that they really weren't legislative office holders. How is a corporation, or a partnership, or a trust created? It's declared into existence. That's it. That's all that it takes. Thus, where a Republic must be created "by Law," i.e., by legislative act that follows a certain procedure, a commercial enterprise is created simply by way of declaring it into existence. A commercial enterprise's policies are not controlled by the acts or the will of the body politic. It's controlled by market forces. The more agreements an enterprise can sucker people into, the more "power" and "control" it has. At the exact same time, until the individual agrees to be regulated, there is no authority to so regulate. In general, where the intent is to act legislatively, but where that act is in no way legislative, for whatever reason, that hardly means that an entity isn't created. It just means that the entity is created commercially rather than legislatively. Where the evil people figure that fact out before the good people, the evil people may keep the myth of legislative creation alive in order to run the good people right into the ground, thereby acquiring their property commercially. This present commercial system masquerading as "government" is not a system that care one iota about the will of the sheep, uh, people, being sheered by the scams operating in the name of "government." It's a business, run from the top down, as most businesses are. It's a "for profit" enterprise. It intends to control everything in sight. This present "federal" system is an evil, morally bankrupt, psychologically demented, "Let's raise a middle-finger salute to God!" system that is limited solely by what may be allowed to be agreed to, and by how small an amount of disclosure must be made in order to have an enforceable agreement. The ONLY people on the face of the planet who have kept that system from destroying this nation any faster than it has are the Supreme Court of the United States. Yet, what are they to do when asked to enforce an agreement that satisfies all the requirements of an agreement in the present legal environment? This present commercial system is "of the banks, by the banks, for the banks." Thus, it's not even really a Nazi-communo-fascist system where "the pigs" are more equal. It's a Nazi-communo-fascist system where "the banks" ("the pigs") are fully in control. But, control of what? Control of writing, promoting, the policies "out there" to be included in the terms of the "gotcha agreements." These banks, and the people who run them, have been "in planning" for this for a long, long time. The Founding Fathers stood their ground against the banksters of their day, fully intending to prevent the spread of commercial/political control by the European (British) banks via the use of "Bills of Credit." It was the banks who benefited from preventing the enactment into Law of that set of concepts that would have stopped in its tracks the practice of using a "fluctuating medium of exchange." And, an objective view of every single war that this country has engaged, "locally" or abroad, has a banking influence at its core. See M.W. Walbert, The Coming Battle. ; . To understand that "federal" means "federal' is to understand, on the one hand, there there is no "collective" solution to anything. The problem is brilliantly individualized, rendering the solution also to be found at the individual level. It also means to understand, on the other hand, that we have 100% control over both the problem and the solution. How so? No one has compelled us so sign up for any of the "gotcha agreements." No one. The Founding Fathers certainly didn't!! The banks didn't. The executives, including the presidents, governors, and law enforcement officers didn't. The legislators didn't. The judges sure didn't. The lawyers didn't. The democrats didn't. The republicans didn't. The catholics didn't. The jews didn't. The protestants didn't. The zionists didn't. The muslims didn't. The communists didn't. The abortionists didn't. The pro-lifers didn't. The oil people didn't. The car industry people didn't. The airlines didn't. Etc. Whoever is the "to be blamed today" party or group didn't compel anyone to sign up for any of the "gotcha agreements." Thus, on the way back out of those, none of those people or groups can prevent our declining to renew any of those "gotcha agreements," either. To wind up this note, Money, the Law of the Land, and the Founding Fathers all have something in common. Money is the proper implementation of God's Law about our using an honest system of weights and measures. The Law of the Land is the Common Law, the origin of which is Scripture. And, the Founding Fathers applied the Law of the Land, i.e., the Common Law, fulling expecting the Blessings of Liberty to be bestowed upon a nation of people who put God's Law first, which system would tolerate Money and only Money for the discharge of debts. The present "federal government" exists to defy all of that, even to defy God, Himself. All constitution-ists are wrong about the law and about our present legal reality. All of them. The worst group of constitution-ists are those who both see a Constitution and that it created the God-defying monstrosity called the "federal government." The group closest to the understanding are those who see parallel systems. There are parallel choices of law; there are not any parallel, simultaneous governmental systems. The medium of exchange is the best evidence of the choice of law. Where that medium of exchange can't exist under the Law of the Land, the system is based on the Law of the Sea. The present Law of the Sea system is 100% non- constitutional, i.e., 100% commercial. We should have a race to see which of the Western European bankster-controlled nations will be the first to repent of its "funny money" system and renew its commitment to the exclusive use of an honest system of weights and measures, as the Founding Fathers had intended to implement here, and which we had until the banksters assassinated Kennedy. The banksters are in control where the system is a Law of the Sea system. God is in control where the system is a Law of the Land system. Harmon L. Taylor Legal Reality Dallas, Texas
YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... don't you find it ironic that the census bureau says they rely upon the Constitution for their authority and pays their help in UNCONSTITUTIONAL FRNs ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !
Tommy, he ignores that his wife states his "home country" is Kenya.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Who else used to use that word "KOOK" all the time? Why I do believe it was BeAChooser. ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I bet I have posted this half a dozen times but for the benefit of the Obots I will post it again. Of course they will say Manchelle was on drugs or lying or something. I guess his Kenyan grandmother was lying when she said he was born in the little village where she lives too. And more: And more:
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. First Logical Fallacy: "You Birferk00k idiots shamelessly violate the most basic premise of Constitutional and American jurisprudence: A man is innocent until proven guilty, and all charges must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt." Lets see, we have Loaded Words, Argumentum Ad Hominem, and False Analogy. A. "BiferkOOk idiots". Argumentum Ad Hominem Loaded Words. In other words since you are unable to refute the facts, which ARE facts, you resort to name calling and ridicule to divert from the FACT that you have no valid counter-argument. Your "argument" differs in no essential way from saying "anyone who questions the magnificence of the sacred Obamessiah is a heretic". Means about the same thing too. B. The presumption of innocence is a legal doctrine which applies to a criminal trial not to a public debate or the observation of apparently obvious conclusions, based on the facts in evidence, in a public discussion. Your proof of that Ad Hominem attack is? You have not refuted a single instance, as listed in my post, of the documents which your Obamessiah is frantically spending millions of dollars to keep suppressed. Again all you are doing is throwing up logical fallacies hoping something will stick to the wall. Oh, and have I personally attacked you? Other than by dismembering your shallow vapid logically false tirade? You seem wound entirely too tight. Might I recommend a nice glass of a mellow Red Whine? Of course the attorneys are working for free, the payments to Perkins Cole listed in the FEC filings are for Girl Scout Cookies. Again the dismissal of a case using technical grounds says NOTHING about the facts. It says that the case was dismissed on technical grounds. It is an interesting theory as well - "citizens governed under the Constitution have no standing to challenge the legitimacy of an Office Holder". Well "Seig Heil" to you too. Please link to any Post I have every made citing Orly Taitz as a reference. I'm waiting. Still waiting. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt! Time's up! The answer is: NEVER. Not even once. You're still batting a 1,000 - false on every account. Again your opinion unsupported by any facts. Congratulations, you successfully avoided addressing any issue intelligently, and completely avoided the fact that Mr. Soetoro-Obama (The Man with 16 SSN's) is withholding, hiding, suppressing, keeping secret, concealing, shrouded, covered up, and refused to disclose any of the records which document his history or would definitively settle the question. Do, normal honest people spend millions of dollars in legal fees to avoid producing a $15 copy of a document that proves their innocence? Only in the mind of a Bushite or O'bot is the answer to that question yes.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
No, JD ... Osambos grand mammy told the truth ... but it don't matter because the liars are the people that raised you and I to believe there was a Constitution. There is NO CONSTITUTION and no reason for Osambo to show a birth certificate ... why do you think every court where a CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT has been filed has dismissed the case ? They say Lack of Standing ... and the truth is that the CONSTITUTION HAS NO STANDING.
YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... don't you find it ironic that the census bureau says they rely upon the Constitution for their authority and pays their help in UNCONSTITUTIONAL FRNs ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !
Per American jurisprudence, it is you k00ks who need factual support for your charges. Mother Jones: What's Obama's Birther Legal Bill Is President Barack Obama spending millions of dollars to hide the truth about his citizenship? During Obama's 2008 run for the White House, his campaign and a host of other credible sources repeatedly debunked the conspiracy theory that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and was thus ineligible to serve as president. But this failed to quell the "birther" movement, whose acolytes have filed more than 60 civil lawsuits challenging the president's citizenship. None of these suits have gone anywhere in court. But birthers say that's because Obama has unleashed a phalanx of powerful lawyers to silence them—spending $1.7 million in the process, according to WorldNetDaily (WND), an enthusiastic online promoter of the birthers' cause. Given the sheer number of cases, it seems plausible that the president and the government may have been forced to devote real resources to their defense. But in fact the opposite may be true: The birthers' own copious legal bungling could wind up costing them more than Obama will have to spend defending himself. The birthers have peppered dozens of state and federal courts around the country with legal challenges—against the president and other government officials and organizations who had some role in allowing Obama's name to be placed on the ballot, including the Federal Election Commission, various state election officials, and the US Supreme Court. Some of the suits, particularly those filed by the movement's leading lady, California lawyer/dentist Orly Taitz, have been headlined by members of the military claiming they've been wrongfully made to serve in foreign wars by an illegitimate commander in chief. Most recently, birther attorneys have represented car dealers who charge that Obama is a phony president who lacked the authority to order a restructuring of Chrysler that they say cost them their businesses. WorldNetDaily has noted that FEC filings show that Obama's presidential campaign has paid out more than $1.7 million since the election to the law firm of Perkins Coie. Until recently, that firm was home to Obama's campaign lawyer, and now White House counsel, Robert Bauer—the very same DC lawyer, says WND, who has defended Obama in many of the birther lawsuits. Ergo, WND concluded, Obama must be devoting that entire $1.7 million to crushing birthers in court. This is a ridiculous claim: Even after an election is over a presidential campaign has plenty of need for lawyers as it winds down operations and meets campaign finance law requirements. But WND's editors believe they have a smoking gun in a letter Bauer sent on April 3 to John David Hemenway, a DC lawyer representing retired Air Force Colonel Gregory Hollister in a suit against "Barry Soetoro…de facto President in posse." (Some birthers claim Obama is actually an Indonesian citizen who shares his last name with his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro.) The lawsuit claims that Hollister may be unable to perform his duty to uphold the Constitution if Obama called him out of retirement and ordered him to war, because Obama isn't a natural-born citizen. A US District Court judge dismissed the "frivolous" case and reprimanded the 83-year-old lawyer for filing it. Nonetheless, Hemenway appealed, prompting Bauer to send him a letter warning that Obama would seek sanctions if he pursued the matter. WND and many of its readers apparently believe this letter proves that Obama has teams of expensive lawyers Roger West, an assistant US attorney in the central district of California, represented the government in a lawsuit brought by Taitz on behalf of perennial presidential candidate Alan Keyes, asking the court to require that Obama prove he is a natural-born citizen. The case has dragged on for more than a year, mostly because Taitz, a graduate of an online, unaccredited law school, failed to serve the defendants. Judge David O. Carter dismissed the suit in October for a host of reasons, but Taitz has appealed. Yet West says that far from bleeding his office, Taitz and her co-counsel Gary Kreep have assembled such a weak case that he hasn't had to spend much time on it. "I filed one motion that didn't take too long, we've had two hearings and that's it," he says. "It's not like we've devoted some sort of task force to this." Army Major Rebecca Ausprung handled two of the birther cases against the Department of the Army that disputed Obama's authority as commander in chief to order soldiers to war. Ausprung says she spent a few hours drafting motions and doing research, and she did have to make three short trips to Georgia from Arlington, Virginia. She prevailed in both cases. "The monetary cost to the government in defending these two cases was extremely minimal," she says. Or consider a case filed by one of the most prolific birther litigants, Philip J. Berg, that went all the way up to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals. In November the court dismissed the appeal and ordered Berg to pay the legal costs for the defendants, which included the Federal Election Commission. Here was the government's big chance to recoup its millions. But when the FEC submitted its bill, the grand total came to $20.40. This doesn't include the cost of the time government lawyers spent writing briefs and appearing in court. Yet it's clear that as much of a nuisance as these suits are for the government, that's all they are: a nuisance. In fact, the plaintiffs may be spending far more time and money on these cases than Obama or the government is, in part because of their failure to abide by basic court procedures. In one of the Georgia cases Ausprung handled, a federal judge sanctioned Taitz in October for $20,000 for, among other things, pursuing a case long after a judge had dismissed it and her own client had discharged her. Taitz has refused to pay the fine. So far, judges have been remarkably tolerant of the birthers' shenanigans— despite being handed abundant opportunities to throw their petitions out of court. In one case, Taitz allegedly encouraged supporters to contact the judge by phone and mail to lobby for her cause—a glaring ethics violation that he chose to ignore. Another of her cases only went forward because the federal judge basically begged the defendants to let Taitz serve them—the first step in any lawsuit, but one that Taitz had neglected to take for about seven months. The judges' written opinions suggest that by giving the birthers' cases a full airing, they hope to put some of the most outrageous allegations to rest. But not only have the birthers shown little gratitude to the judges who have indulged them, their court losses have also fueled the conspiracy theories that the judges had hoped to extinguish. Taitz accused US District Judge Clay Land of having improperly discussed one of her cases with Attorney General Eric Holder, and submitted a sworn eyewitness account describing a clandestine meeting in a Columbus, Georgia, coffee shop between the judge and a man with a "trim upper lip mustache, not large of stature and general olive complexion"—whom the source naturally assumed to be the attorney general. On the day in question, however, Holder was making a public appearance 2,000 miles away in Los Angeles. Expect the birthers' theories to become even more far-fetched as their legal endeavors continue to fail. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley You ripped that Obot a new one. Excellent post.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. That is my thought as well. Use her to bring up a series of weak cases to discredit the legitimate questions about Oh'bummer secreting every public document regarding his personal history. Same thing as was done with Clinton's Impeachment - he should have been on trial for treason in selling U.S. Weapons Technology to the Red Chinese so instead we are treated to Monica's Dress as a diversion. Problem is it didn't work. Now all the O'bots can do is whine about Oily while everyone with any sense sticks to the unanswered questions of substance. Not only that it flusters them so much when you don't take the bait and try to defend her. It isn't what they are hoping for when they mention her.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Personally, I'll take the word of the mother of Barack's children over Mother Jones. I do believe that Michelle and Barack's grammy know a tad bit more about his birth and his birth certificate, which nary got a mention in that piece, then Mo Jones.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Quote verbatim where she says he was born in Kenya or else stop spamming.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Quote verbatim where your "mother of Barack's children" says he was born in Kenya. No fluff about AIDS or LBGT or DADT. Just the words of where and when in Kenya his mother delivered him.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Thank you sir. Of course he will likely try some sort of comeback as the O'bots are too emotionally invested in their Red Obamessiah. Of course he's taking them for a ride too but in their fanatic fervor they cannot question the Obamessiah.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! How are your court cases going imbecile? pwned.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Here we have Obama himself, his granny and his wife CONFIRMING his citizenship, yet we are out of line for requesting proof of citizenship. How can people defend a person who's own family has already let the cat out of the bag? When he was elected Senator in Illinois, multiple newspapers confirmed the fantistic win of the Kenyan born Obama. Notice how EVERY arguement moves quickly away from the orignal BC and on to diversions.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
No, the TRUE BELIEVER™ will never question his Obamessiah. I guess they would think of that as heresy.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. No fluff about AIDS or LBGT or DADT. Just the words of where and when in Kenya his mother delivered him. More diversions. Michelle said it--deal with it. His granny said it too. Even Barack has let the cat out of the bag while you whine and complain that there is NO reason to question his citizenship. Just go up the thread and listen to Michelle yourself. I'm not your personal transcriber. The info. is right there.......it only takes one click for you to get your own "verbatim" quote.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
It is a sad day when a man can ADMIT he is not an American and have brain dead people arguing that he is!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Y'all keep 'em straight or as close to it as you can. I need to go out for a bit but I know I am leaving it in capable hands.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I merely find your response sad and pathetic. Sad that you would so blithely throw out the rule of law, and applaud the denial of justice on technicalities as a good thing. Pathetic in that you somehow think that proves anything other than that our courts are compromised and corrupt. Sad that you would think it a good thing to defend a poseur, a con man, and a fraud who cares little about the welfare of this Republic and everything about his own personal aggrandizement. Sad too in that you seem incapable of understanding just how pathetic that is. Pathetic in that you are incapable of seeing how this leads to disestablishment of the Republic and the loss of freedom to all. No, that is more than pathetic it is quite insane really.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
So why did McCain spend $1.5 million on his own 2008 legal fees compared to Obama's total $1.7 million, imbecile? Did McCain have his own legal challenges to citizenship that he somehow swept under the rug and made sure they never got publicity? BWAHAHAHAHAA!!! Just Show Me Evidence that Obama Has "Spent Millions" Defending Birth Certificate Lawsuits? Lots of people on this site say that Obama has "spent millions of dollars" defending himself against birther lawsuits. How do they know how much he has spent? Before you say "He MUST have spent a lot because lawyers are expensive," let me point out that I am a lawyer, and I know that filing a simple motion to dismiss for lack of standing--which has worked for almost every one of these lawsuits--is very CHEAP. A junior associate can crank one out in ten minutes, and they cost almost nothing to file. So can anyone provide concrete evidence that Obama has spent millions of dollars defending birther lawsuits? Do you have copies of legal bills? Statements by any of Obama's personal counsel? Where's the evidence? February: Your links show the TOTAL LEGAL bill from Obama's campaign. They don't show the amount spent on defending birther lawsuits. just cause: Your link ALSO shows the TOTAL LEGAL BILLS for the ENTIRE CAMPAIGN. Campaigns have many legal expenses. There is no reason to believe that your amount was used SOLELY to defend against birther lawsuits. ... The simple truth is that general counsel for a campaign has a wide array of tasks that they must complete, from ensuring candidates are on the ballot in all 50 states to contracting leases for the campaign HQ's to ensuring compliance with FEC requirements ...To February; you find my response to be crude because you aren't capable of logical reasoning. You cite FEC filings as proof that Obama has spent millions defending birther suits, I tell you McCain has spent $1.5 million compared to Obama's $1.7, and your defense is that he has a history traceable to his great granparent. Ignoring the total lack of relevance of your response, I suggest you conduct some more throrough research into Obama's great grandparents Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham, Sr. and Ruth Lucille Armour, then crawl back under your rock. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley How are your court cases going imbecile? pwned. You haven't done any pwning here. I remember Mr.Clean going on about how the troofers had made no headway because they'd won no court cases or made any progress. Ad homs and logical fallacies do not a pwning make.
One track mind k00k theories, including the 911 conspiracy theories, propounded for years on anonymous websites, are terminal attacks on logical discourse and activity. But life shall go on. Humanity will have a choice between tribalism (past) and the future. The ones who choose the future will predominate. The tribalists will have to fend for themselves as they get swept away by the currents of progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley She didn't say he was born in Kenya. Take some English classes at your local adult eductation school - if you have one.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley are you really going to make us go to that jew apologist site wnd to see this crap? ;-)
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 For some strange reason the Marxist-Fascist abomination that Soetoro was installed to implement is not selling very well. Not a lot of buyers - of course there are still a few suckers and they get more and more wound up the more obvious it becomes that people are not buying Barky's "change". "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Poor Agravator, I guess all that money was for Girl Scout Cookies after all. Wanna buy a Bridge kid?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
At least someone else see WND for the zionazi rag it is.
YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... don't you find it ironic that the census bureau says they rely upon the Constitution for their authority and pays their help in UNCONSTITUTIONAL FRNs ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !
Is the truth not still the truth no matter who speaks it or writes it?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. What is the basis for ALL of these "lack of standing" dismissals ? Looks to me like any American should be able to sue (having standing) to demand the birth certificate. My point is that the Constitution lacks standing in FEDERAL COURT. The FEDERAL (reserve bank) Govt. is not the one formed by the Constitution. The medium of exchange is the best evidence of the choice of law. The Constitution operates when the medium of exchange is Constitutional MONEY. When the medium of exchange is debt based, fiat currency or better said CREDIT or COMMERCIAL PAPER, then the law is no longer the law of the land based upon substance drawn from the land, it's Law of Commerce/Contracts which is Admiralty Law, or Law of the Sea. Today the Constitution is as irrelevant as Soetero's birth cert.
YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... don't you find it ironic that the census bureau says they rely upon the Constitution for their authority and pays their help in UNCONSTITUTIONAL FRNs ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !
lol.....what, no verbatim? Let me help you......."when we took our trip to Africa and visited HIS HOME COUNTRY IN KENYA".......... She says it's his "HOME COUNTRY" for crying out loud. How is it his home country if homey wasn't even born there? What, prey tell, does "home country" mean to you?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
What, prey tell, does "home country" mean to you? Isn't it funny how the Obamabots tie themselves in knots trying to defend the indefensible?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. So you admit she does not say he was born in Kenya. In this context, it clearly means a country of origin of a parent. She clearly was not parsing her words for a bunch of internet know-nothings playing "gotcha." Now since "home" is defined as "place of residence," how could she possibly mean her husband and his family were living in Kenya at the time?
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Isn't it funny how the Obamabots tie themselves in knots trying to defend the indefensible Isn't it funny how Birferk00ks twist and mis-translate an English phrase into whatever they want it to mean in their own pretend world where they rule all? And since Michelle is approximately the same age as her husband, what makes you presume she has any direct knowledge of where her husband was actually born, when she can't even remember the details of her own birth and would have no way of being a witness to his?
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley I think it's even funnier how people have to use cute little names like "Birferkooks" in order to malign people on the internet. A sure sign of Saul Alinsky if I ever saw one. I don't have a dog in the hunt, but I see a pattern where this sort of thing is concerned. If there was no truth to the matter, the thing would die on the vine, just like the 9-11 folks saying it was an inside job. Of course they've got cute names for those guys too that I'm sure you use when you go back to whatever office you get your marching orders from. I used to like some of your posts but when I read misspelled names, and other faggoty crap meant to incense people, it screams out how badly you have already lost an argument that should have died out long ago.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
You are really reachin' here. Now, you "know" the context but nobody else could possibly "know" what you know. She was clearly stating that Obama is a Kenyan citizen. Kenya is his mother land, not America, for if it were America she would have said America is his home country. Generally, when people say "home country" they are referring to where they were born. You pulled this "clearly means a country of origin of a parent" out of your butt. I've never heard anybody use the term "home country" in that manner.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Only one person on the internet could POSSIBLY know the context that Michelle was speaking of, even if it is out of context to any reference the lot of us have ever heard. I always refer to other countries as my "home country," don't you James? And granny and the spouse do the same, I'm sure.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
The only places where these rumors persist are anonymous sites. The conspiracy theories have been debunked hundreds of times over by hundreds of people and nobody cares except the preprogrammed CT's. The k00ks never address any specifics I bring out to rebut them. Because they can't. Examples: None of the k00ks has ever rebutted any of these points even partially. Instead they go on riffs and the same ad hominems and logical fallacies they attribute to others.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Were you born that stupid or has all that Nigerian spunk that's been pumped up your ass gotten to your brain? Any idiot (except you) knows that you have to be a natural born American to be POTUS. obama has failed to prove his eligibility. Now, all he has to do to clear this up is to: SHOW US HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE But he won't because he was born in Kenya. On top of that, any US citizenship he might have had was lost when he became an Indonesian citizen under his real name which is Barry Soetoro. You'd like that, wouldn't you.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Let me put it again into language you can understand, keyclacking fruitcake. You have no more chance of seeing Obama's documents - that have already been vetted by dozens of qualified personnel - than you have of taking a peek and a feel inside Obama's shorts. The matter has been resolved and there are not even any new lawsuits or favorable outcomes of old. You have as much chance of seeing his BC as you have seeing his organ. Neither are any of your business. You might be able to pay someone for a fake picture. Deal with it. No one else GAS.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Let me put it in language you can understand you turd guzzling shill Nobody, I mean NOBODY with a brain believes your bullshit. I don't care how many times the MSM covers for his commies ass or how many paid stooges like you they send out to spam the net Bary Soetoro is a fraud, a pretender and a traitor, and things like you are the lowest form of verminous scum on Earth Your fantasy not mine, loser. WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Hence the problem. Lots and lots of government personnel.
i don't believe for a minute He has been PROPERLY vetted...it's a coverup...and it really is a simple thing that He could have settled quite simply and put all of this to rest. you may have a point that there's nothing that can be done about it because we all know that this is no longer a government for, of, and by the people. the constitution is, as far as We the People are concerned, just a goddamned piece of paper. you're also correct in that we do have to lump it. His presidency has set the stage for a president schwarzenegger.
also, where is it legally recorded that Barry Soetoro changed his name to barack hussein obama ?
The biggest problems with the challenges were The BC interpretation of "natural born" existing at the time of Obama's birth, is a particular version of that law which has since been changed. The Constitution itself says nothing about immigration, leaving Congress the power to regulate that itself. Immigration laws have been changed retroactively a number of times since 1790, with the new laws applying to prior periods going back years or even decades. So Congress could if it so chose, make an immigration law going back to 1950 applying to any and all Obama minutiae. And it would be perfectly legal. And Constitutional. Not that it's needed.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Really? How many cases have you Birfers won out of the 60-some you've filed? Is Oily going to prevail on her appeal of $20,000 sanctions imposed by a GA judge? What about the CA State Bar investigation of her for filing forgeries with a court and suborning perjury? Think she'll still have a license in a few years? Why did the Republican Party officially separate themselves from Oily running for CA Secretary of State? Lissen, NOBODY. ***Nobody*** cares about BA's BC any more except lost-cause losers. Obama is President, he'll serve out his term, he's crashing and burning, but at least he's 50% brain capable instead of being 99% brain dead like the rest in Washington.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley He might be your president, but he sure isn't mine. I am sure losers everywhere claim the king loser as their president.
God is always good!
I'll say this one more time ... "THERE AIN'T NO CONSTITUTION" the Law of the Land has been usurped by the law of COMMERCE since we all utilize commercial paper to transact business. The Courts and the STATES collect taxes and fines etc., in commercial paper as opposed to money (real money like silver or gold like the CONSTITUTION RELIES UPON). When the Constitution plainly says that NO STATE shall make anything payable for debt other than gold or silver coin, the moment promises to pay (fiat debt based currency) became acceptable as LEGAL TENDER the Constitution became a mere PROMISE and not the law. The Law of the Sea (LAW MERCHANT) has been in full force since at least 1964. So, what the Constitution says about anything is irrelevant as pertains to law. It's an illusion to keep the slaves from rioting. C'mon ... get real ... the Constitution is a CON, a GD piece of worthless paper, and Americans are so addicted to their credit cards, bank accounts, checks, Socialist Security that they've forfeited the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS, settling for privileges at the whim of their MASTER - UNCLE SAMBO. EDIT: My tagline mentions the census. Have you ever wondered why the Census is handled by the DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE ? Why not HEALTH and HUMAN SERVICES ? Until people realize that the monetary system dictates the CHOICE OF LAW we will do without a constitution. I'm going to post a letter that I received yesterday from an ex-attorney that speaks to this issue because I am weary of the Constitutional arguments that are really bullshit. And the reason we don't have a Constitution is because like the Indians that sold New York for a few beads we've pretty much done the same, only we have done it for "credit" and "convenience" ... so enjoy your banker approved privileges as long as they last.
There is no record of that in the public record of which I am aware. I had forgotten that and I'm glad you mentioned it. Another part of the Soebama black hole of his history. It is likely, I believe, that he is CIA trained and handled. Another oddity is the number of Social Security Numbers he may have had. The reasonably firm number I last ran into was 16 and possibly as many as 28.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
He is at a complete loss without his teleprompter telling him what he thinks. That has become obvious the few times he's had to wing it or it malfunctioned. More Kool-Aid?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You listen, NOBODY believes your bullshit no matter how many times you post the same crap. The TRUTH is that your boy Barry Soetoro/obama is a complete and total fraud and the American people are WAKING UP If I was you I'd be worried. ROTFLMAO at you, boy WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Today the Constitution is as irrelevant as Soetero's birth cert. you're so articulate and smart. as an aside, who gives a flying f about his legitimacy when we've got the Gulf of Mexico disaster. it pales in importance. i'd like to see his ass covered in the muck like the poor sea animals.
LOL
It is,and it won't wash off WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
hehehehe
Since I can't reply to #59, I'll reply to your repost of noone222's comment. Exactly, we have had an illegal de jure gov't since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 when the Corporation of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was born. It is a fiction and birth certificates were issued with our names all in capital letters to make us Corporations as well. Corporations can only contract with other Corporations. It is possible that BO doesn't have a birth certificate at all. Maybe his mother never registered him in any country, making him a "person" rather than a Corporation. If so, he cannot make a contract with the Corporation of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. If this came to light, the illegal gov't of America would fall. It would be a much bigger issue than where BO was born.
bump
My apologies: We have had an illegal de facto gov't since the Emergency War Powers Act and the Reconstruction Acts of 1864. For a fascinating overview see: http://www.usavsus.info/ It is far more reliable than my faulty memory.
That's what you've been imbibing? Tell me how McCain spent $1.5 million on his legal fees without paying anything to anyone to fight off McCain BC challenges, yet Obama is supposed to have spent most or all of his own $1.7 million legal fees to pay junior and pro bono lawyers to generate 60-odd memos stating why 60-odd courts didn't have any jurisdiction in 60-odd cases... Certainly your joofriendly WorldNut Daily source will have copies of itemized billings by attorney, task, rate, and billed hours. < / snicker>.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Take your snake oil someplace else, dimwit. WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
lol pwned.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Go read some comic books to enhance your legal expertise, squirt. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Why sure! Even places I have never been or heard of until that very minute. I beze down wid de peepils. /s
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
It comes from years for brainwashing and a strong dose of Christianity. After all, the concept of "original sin" says we're all born guilty. As for the brainwashing: They're been working on us for 50 years, Yuri Bezmenov (KGB) tells all, check him out on youtube,there are many videos, not just this one.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Hey Wud!! AGA sure can be annoying..........lol. I remember Meeester Clean making the same idiotic arguements.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I've seen this - it's well worth watching again. God can't seem to plug the hole, perhaps a kind word to Odin will work?
I'd like to have the ticket concession to that event, especially if all of those ass kissing Osambo bots were attached. (You're too generous !)
YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... don't you find it ironic that the census bureau says they rely upon the Constitution for their authority and pays their help in UNCONSTITUTIONAL FRNs ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !
for sure!
ODIN!!! is too busy laughing at us and our 501(c)(3)government approved, rapture ready, manlove inspired, visa and mastercard accepted, groveling belief industry.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley i didn't know you were a Soebama aficionado.
I'm not. He's a compromiser who has been sitting back trying to reconcile 2 basically incompatible worldviews - US primacy or USreal primacy, instead of drawing a line and insisting that his party members follow his lead instead of following their own preprogramming. He also has violated several explicit promises including ending torture, renditions, closing Guantanamo, and he has also expanded Bush/Cheney programs far beyond what those 2 ever dreamed of. The people I think best describe him are Jon Stewart of the Daily Show Obama - You're Frodo, and Al Qaeda spokeman Adam Gadahn, who less flatteringly calls him "devious, evasive, and serpentine." That out of the way, as I've said elsewhere he's perhaps 50% brain dead, while just about eveybody else in Washington is 99% brain dead. Meaning he is capable of recognizing he's doing something wrong and changing it if he can muster up the courage to do something his circle won't approve of. So what's the alternative to getting rid of him, anyway: Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, Glenn Beck? Palin? Don't see anything out there. Just hear the same old CT's repeated over and over, as if somebody's going to roll the clock back to 2008.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Every time I see the retarded "Birfer" spelling, I see Saul Alinsky. If you can't spell "Birther", that's one thing. If you're doing it deliberately, you're using the Alinsky Playbook, which means everything you say is bullshit. I don't even pay attention to people who use Alinsky tactics as they are ALWAYS the biggest liars and have no intellectual honesty what so ever. You can tout as many facts as you like, but your credibility goes out the window when you use the Alinsky method.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
His lead being to print & spend more fiat money that all the previous presidents combined? The man belongs in a cage, and those that support him need a beating.
He is It is
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
No he can't. He doesn't have any facts, only Obama talking points.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
A vicious beating. One that they should have been given long ago. I saw, before I put him on my clown filter, that Aggravator admitted to being a "In pleading, they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the cause; but are loud, violent, and tedious, in dwelling upon all circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case already mentioned; they never desire to know what claim or title my adversary has to my cow; but whether the said cow were red or black; her horns long or short; whether the field I graze her in be round or square; whether she was milked at home or abroad; what diseases she is subject to, and the like; after which they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years, come to an issue. "It is likewise to be observed, that this society has a peculiar cant and jargon of their own, that no other mortal can understand, and wherein all their laws are written, which they take special care to multiply; whereby they have wholly confounded the very essence of truth and falsehood, of right and wrong; so that it will take thirty years to decide, whether the field left me by my ancestors for six generations belongs to me, or to a stranger three hundred miles off. "In the trial of persons accused for crimes against the state, the method is much more short and commendable: the judge first sends to sound the disposition of those in power, after which he can easily hang or save a criminal, strictly preserving all due forms of law." Here my master interposing, said, "it was a pity, that creatures endowed with such prodigious abilities of mind, as these lawyers, by the description I gave of them, must certainly be, were not rather encouraged to be instructors of others in wisdom and knowledge." In answer to which I assured his honour, "that in all points out of their own trade, they were usually the most ignorant and stupid generation among us, the most despicable in common conversation, avowed enemies to all knowledge and learning, and equally disposed to pervert the general reason of mankind in every other subject of discourse as in that of their own profession." Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. This guy is one of Robin's buttboys at the nest WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
I have all kinds of facts, pea brain, none of which any of you are able to rebut. Let's start out with an easy one. In the 2008 Presidential campaign, McCain spent $1.5 million for legal costs and Obama spent $1.7 million. Both had to operate under the same rules, file the same reports, in the same formats, in the same jurisdictions. So it would be expected that both costs would be approximately the same given a comparable level of legal expertise on both sides. Obama had slightly more work to do replying to some 60 frivolous Birfer k00ksuits, even with one lawyer doing full time work pro bono (free). However the overall difference between the two campaign legal costs was only $200,000. So how is it that the Birfers breathlessly parrot the idiotic claims of WorldNut Daily that the Obama campaign spent millions of dollars defending against the k00ksuits when millions of dollars were obviously spent on routine non-k00k procedures as evidenced by the McCain campaign bills. Wanna take a whack at it?
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley More of your cut-n-paste bullshit You couldn't get a drivers license in FL with the documents y0ur b0y submitted The k00k around here is y0u Now go back to the nest with the rest of the L0sers
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Aviator, whatever made you believe that he was anything but owned? Jeez, look at his cabinet appointees, his VP pick, his COS pick, Gates at DOD, his street agitator background, his financial backers. it's hard for me to believe that you had any expectations and believed his campaign rhetoric!
How do you come by your million dollar figure when McCain spent $1.5 million on totally unrelated matters.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley He's a compromiser instead of a leader as I said. From time to time he does show a little initiative, but it's too little too late. But at least he has some awareness of the issues. His opponent McCain/Palin didn't even have that. What kind of psychotic could run for office on a "Drill, Baby, Drill" slogan and then shamelessly lie about what exactly those words meant while criticizing the person on whose watch the disaster she said could never happen, did happen. What were the alternatives?
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley He could also Nest at Stone's place. He likes the combat the Obama Knee pad Brigade provide. He'd also fight the Marxist onslaught, should push come to shove, so I'd rather he get the business.
abstention
He's a proud member Maybe he & weasel could get a room?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Let's start out with an easy one. In the 2008 Presidential campaign, McCain spent $1.5 million for legal costs and Obama spent $1.7 million. Both had to operate under the same rules, file the same reports, in the same formats, in the same jurisdictions. So it would be expected that both costs would be approximately the same given a comparable level of legal expertise on both sides. Obama had slightly more work to do replying to some 60 frivolous Birfer k00ksuits, even with one lawyer doing full time work pro bono (free). However the overall difference between the two campaign legal costs was only $200,000. So how is it that the Birfers breathlessly parrot the idiotic claims of WorldNut Daily that the Obama campaign spent millions of dollars defending against the k00ksuits when millions of dollars were obviously spent on routine non-k00k procedures as evidenced by the McCain campaign bills. Wanna take a whack at it? Blah blah blah blah blah. Who cares? Where's the fucking birth certificate?
Vote for gridlock
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
LOLOL
Other than you, who cares? You aren't going to get to peek inside his shorts either, FWIW. Hope you can live with that.
----------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Marley Yeah. the comment was partly in jest, but i dont like farrah or his website.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 You do know that that is a "In pleading, they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the cause; but are loud, violent, and tedious, in dwelling upon all circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case already mentioned; they never desire to know what claim or title my adversary has to my cow; but whether the said cow were red or black; her horns long or short; whether the field I graze her in be round or square; whether she was milked at home or abroad; what diseases she is subject to, and the like; after which they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years, come to an issue. Click here to find out more! "It is likewise to be observed, that this society has a peculiar cant and jargon of their own, that no other mortal can understand, and wherein all their laws are written, which they take special care to multiply; whereby they have wholly confounded the very essence of truth and falsehood, of right and wrong; so that it will take thirty years to decide, whether the field left me by my ancestors for six generations belongs to me, or to a stranger three hundred miles off. "In the trial of persons accused for crimes against the state, the method is much more short and commendable: the judge first sends to sound the disposition of those in power, after which he can easily hang or save a criminal, strictly preserving all due forms of law." Here my master interposing, said, "it was a pity, that creatures endowed with such prodigious abilities of mind, as these lawyers, by the description I gave of them, must certainly be, were not rather encouraged to be instructors of others in wisdom and knowledge." In answer to which I assured his honour, "that in all points out of their own trade, they were usually the most ignorant and stupid generation among us, the most despicable in common conversation, avowed enemies to all knowledge and learning, and equally disposed to pervert the general reason of mankind in every other subject of discourse as in that of their own profession." Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I appreciate the truth, don't care who tells it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. If you still get your mail at a ZIP code, shut the hell up. What does that mean anyway? "He sure isn't mine (president.)" If I recollect correctly, you're also a rapture monkey, too.
Sez the same gender match maker. What do you have against us heterosexuals? My amused female partner I just got a laugh out of my sharing your obsession with phallic on phallic love you posted. The things people say on the Internet. She said to tell you to cool it; I am spoken for. ;-D
In your case being heterosexual is defined by having a female gerbil up your ass
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
You are too close to your problem as you miss the point. Here you are promoting a sexual orientation again; which is exactly what you always do.
I wonder if The Kenyan feels anything for the thousands of white Afrikaners who have been and continue to be slaughtered in South Africa since apartheid was abolished there??
_________________________________________________________________________ He believes in 'social justice' aka death, looting and crime by thugs and deadbeats against people who earn a living. In a word, no.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
weasel I didn't know sheep could talk, but assuming it's human (doubtful) I'm sure you met via the dating section of National Geographic Which one is yours....ROTFLMAO
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Again, you are obsessed with sexual content, and have a fixation with my sexuality. I am male, and you are fixated on my sexuality; so why is that? You seem to think your problem is mine, it's not. You can't stay on topic, and involve yourself with another man's libido. Now, as I said, if you are too close to the problem to see it, it is your cross to bear; not mine.
weasel Yawn Who GAF what a pathetic dog humping loser like you thinks? Nobody
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
None of your business, nosey. Again, here you are expressing an interest in beastiality. Grow up and post on the issues, or don't post to me.
I'm just happy to see boobies on the internet.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
weasel Go F yourself, you're not worth a civil reply.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Likewise, I'm sure.
brown nipples :(
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Nigeria has a history of problems with election fraud and battles of autonomy in many regions. In the 1960s Biafra tried to break away, which created contriversy when many children suffered malnutrition and died. I doubt if internal problems there will be resolved any time soon.
Hey, at least there's no ambiguity.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
"In pleading, they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the cause; but are loud, violent, and tedious, in dwelling upon all circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case already mentioned; they never desire to know what claim or title my adversary has to my cow; but whether the said cow were red or black; her horns long or short; whether the field I graze her in be round or square; whether she was milked at home or abroad; what diseases she is subject to, and the like; after which they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years, come to an issue. Click here to find out more! "It is likewise to be observed, that this society has a peculiar cant and jargon of their own, that no other mortal can understand, and wherein all their laws are written, which they take special care to multiply; whereby they have wholly confounded the very essence of truth and falsehood, of right and wrong; so that it will take thirty years to decide, whether the field left me by my ancestors for six generations belongs to me, or to a stranger three hundred miles off. "In the trial of persons accused for crimes against the state, the method is much more short and commendable: the judge first sends to sound the disposition of those in power, after which he can easily hang or save a criminal, strictly preserving all due forms of law." Here my master interposing, said, "it was a pity, that creatures endowed with such prodigious abilities of mind, as these lawyers, by the description I gave of them, must certainly be, were not rather encouraged to be instructors of others in wisdom and knowledge." In answer to which I assured his honour, "that in all points out of their own trade, they were usually the most ignorant and stupid generation among us, the most despicable in common conversation, avowed enemies to all knowledge and learning, and equally disposed to pervert the general reason of mankind in every other subject of discourse as in that of their own profession." Read more: www.cliffsnotes.com/study...um-288.html#ixzz0rdFrZzmg If I knew that, I forgot. ;-) Thank you for the quotes, good ones.
#2. To: Itistoolate (#0)
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831
#3. To: Itistoolate (#0)
#4. To: Itistoolate (#0)
#5. To: Itistoolate (#0)
Elections official hits TV to affirm no Hawaii birth
#6. To: Itistoolate (#0)
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#7. To: AGAviator (#6)
The individual on the clip says explicitly at the end that Obama was a legal US citizen at the time of birth
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#8. To: AGAviator (#6)
As usual the WND fruitcakes miss the point.
#9. To: AGAviator (#6)
#10. To: Itistoolate (#9)
why did the Supreme Court 'refuse' to hear the case?
#11. To: buckeroo (#10)
The USSC refused to hear the petitions ( as I recall there are about 20 petitions) because they can't.
#12. To: Itistoolate (#11)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#13. To: Itistoolate (#11)
(Edited)
#14. To: buckeroo (#13)
#15. To: Itistoolate (#14)
#16. To: buckeroo (#13)
There is no significant merit in the case.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#17. To: buckeroo (#15)
#18. To: James Deffenbach (#16)
Other than the fact that a foreigner is illegally occupying the White House you mean?
#19. To: buckeroo (#18)
Even your famous Chief Justice Roberts swore 0bama into office.... twice over. Does that matter?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#20. To: Itistoolate (#17)
(Edited)
do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
#21. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
He is not MY "chief justice" and no, it wouldn't matter if he swore him in every day all day long.
#22. To: James Deffenbach, buckeroo (#7)
born [sic] out by Obama's refusal to produce a long-form birth certificate
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#23. To: James Deffenbach, AGAviator (#7)
The individual on the clip says explicitly at the end that Obama was a legal US citizen at the time of birth
#24. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#23)
Best estimates place the amount of money spent to suppress, and keep suppressed, the documentary record of Mr. Soetoro is about Two Million Dollars.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#25. To: AGAviator (#22)
Being a legal US citizen from birth trumps producing documents satisfactory to k00ks.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#26. To: Original_Intent (#23)
Best estimates place the amount of money spent to suppress, and keep suppressed, the documentary record of Mr. Soetoro is about Two Million Dollars.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#27. To: James Deffenbach (#26)
"Exactly. But his sycophants and the 20% or so of TRUE BELIEVERS will never accept that. There is always some portion, around 20-25% of brain dead people who worship one or another scuzzy politician."
#28. To: ndcorup (#27)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#29. To: AGAviator (#22)
Being a legal US citizen from birth trumps producing documents satisfactory to k00ks.
#30. To: James Deffenbach, buckeroo (#25)
(Edited)
Do innocent people spend upwards of 2 MILLION dollars to hide the document that would prove their claims? Sane people wouldn't.
So I will ask you what I asked another one of Obama's sycophants. Is it your argument that your hero is insane.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#31. To: AGAviator (#30)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#32. To: randge (#29)
(1) He has too many Israel-oriented people in high positions, and he allows them and Congress to push him in directions he and we should not be going at all,
So I see Obama as someone whose (in)action speaks louder than words. But there's nobody else out there at the moment. When there is someone with personal integrity who will start getting rid of the cancers that infect the USG, that person will have my complete support.
(2) He does not lead, instead sits back and tries to fashion compromises between basically incompatible positions and world views, and
(3) He has not kept his explicit promises about taking actions like closing Guantanamo, ending torture and rendition, or killing innocents.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#33. To: James Deffenbach (#31)
You're full of it Obama worshiper. If I cared enough to take the time to find it, there was an article some time ago on LP that stated that he had spent close to a million and that was from official sources. And it has almost doubled since then.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#34. To: James Deffenbach (#31)
(Edited)
If I cared enough to take the time to find it, there was an article some time ago on LP that stated that he had spent close to a million and that was from official sources. And it has almost doubled since then.
Some of the conspiracy theorists, such as Farah, have alleged that Obama has decided "to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions."[119]
pwned
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#35. To: AGAviator (#34)
#36. To: Shoonra (#35)
#37. To: Flintlock, Shoonra (#36)
Leftist propaganda you spew on a daily basis
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#38. To: AGAviator (#37)
k00ks
#39. To: Flintlock, Shoonra, buckeye (#38)
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#40. To: AGAviator (#39)
#41. To: Shoonra, buckeyes (#40)
Birfers have repeatedly fallen down on the job of the producing persuasive evidence
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#42. To: James Deffenbach, Obots, Otards, dupes, dingbats, airheads, dimwiits, dorks, chowderheads, dupes, dopes, dolts, ditzes, dunces, goobers, dipsticks, halfwits, chumps, suckers, saps, schmucks, schlimiels, pukes, rubes, marks, imbeciles, simpletons, etc. (#31)
(Edited)
Besides his actual birth documentation, documentation that remains concealed for Obama includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
#43. To: AGAviator (#41)
Oily Taitz
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#44. To: AGAviator (#32)
Being a legal US citizen from birth trumps producing documents satisfactory to k00ks.
#45. To: Original_Intent (#42)
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#46. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, Shoonra (#42)
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#47. To: wudidiz (#43)
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#48. To: AGAviator (#47)
Oily Taitz
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#49. To: AGAviator (#46)
A man is innocent until proven guilty, and all charges must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#50. To: AGAviator (#47)
that's where she gets her double standard of demanding that others provide proof, while she can provide none of her own.
#51. To: AGAviator (#39)
Blah, blah, blah K00K, k00k, K00k..........
#52. To: Flintlock (#51)
Hey numbnuts,
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#53. To: Original_Intent (#42)
No, no matter how hard the O'bots and quislings whine and mutter the facts will not go away - "...and yet the heart still beats."
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#54. To: abraxas (#50)
Oily's job doesn't REQUIRE NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP as a prerequisite for employment. Omaba's DOES. Why is this SO difficult for you to grasp?
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#55. To: wudidiz (#49)
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#56. To: randge, AGAviator (#44)
"Being a legal US citizen from birth trumps producing documents satisfactory to k00ks."
#57. To: AGAviator (#54)
Therefore the proof and testimony already offered will stand, and your charges will be dismissed because you have nothing to prove them.
#58. To: AGAviator (#46)
#59. To: wudidiz, all (#49)
(Edited)
#60. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#58)
#61. To: Original_Intent (#56)
Then just for good measure we get Argumentum Ad Hominem i.e., through the use of another fallacy Loaded Words i.e., "kOOks".
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#62. To: abraxas (#60)
(Edited)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#63. To: AGAviator, James Deffenbach, all (#46)
(Edited)
So eager are you to propogate your untruths that you eagerly glom onto the wildest anonymous speculation and forgeries only available on anonymous Internet k00ksites.
"Your idiotic statements about millions of dollars being spent to tell judges the plaintiffs have no evidence and the court has no jurisdiction even if there were, are a case in point. Facts are one attorney was working for free, and all the others state it was so easy to get the judge to swiftly dismiss the cases the legal work was minimal. The majority of the court's time was the judges saying "Wrong....wrong....wrong" to the k00k plaintiffs. The Obama lawyers could barely get words in sideways - not that they needed to. "
Then there's the incident where your idiotic Queen Bee lawyer offered patently forged material to a court which was breathlessly reported by an equally idiotic news site.
"You've got a nifty false front op going here. Make anybody with objections to the status quo look like a blithering idiot filing suits right and left. Yah, that's really accomplished a lot the last 3 years."
#64. To: James Deffenbach (#62)
I guess his Kenyan grandmother was lying when she said he was born in the little village where she lives too.
#65. To: Original_Intent (#56)
It is both an unsupported assertion of the form P therefore Q., it asserts something as true without factual support, and then uses itself to prove itself thus also making it a circular argument
Tue Jan. 26, 2010 4:00 AM PST
Show me an itemized Perkins Coie bill detailing how much of that $1.7 million for any and all campaign 2008 expenses, is for Birferk00k litigation.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#66. To: Original_Intent (#63)
Oh, and have I personally attacked you? Other than by dismembering your shallow vapid logically false tirade? You seem wound entirely too tight. Might I recommend a nice glass of a mellow Red Whine?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#67. To: wudidiz (#48)
Seemed to me like she was a disinfo plant.
#68. To: AGAviator (#65)
#69. To: James Deffenbach (#62)
Bet I have posted this half a dozen times
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#70. To: abraxas (#68)
Personally, I'll take the word of the mother of Barack's children over Mother Jones
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#71. To: James Deffenbach (#66)
#72. To: James Deffenbach (#66)
You ripped that Obot a new one. Excellent post
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#73. To: James Deffenbach (#62)
#74. To: Original_Intent (#71)
Of course he will likely try some sort of comeback as the O'bots are too emotionally invested in their Red Obamessiah. Of course he's taking them for a ride too but in their fanatic fervor they cannot question the Obamessiah.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#75. To: AGAviator (#70)
Quote verbatim where your "mother of Barack's children" says he was born in Kenya.
#76. To: abraxas (#73)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#77. To: Original_Intent, abraxas, all 4um posters who have not been conned by the Kenyan (#71)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#78. To: AGAviator, abraxas, James Deffenbach, all (#72)
#79. To: Original_Intent (#63)
(Edited)
Of course the attorneys are working for free, the payments to Perkins Cole listed in the FEC filings are for Girl Scout Cookies
Ten Easy Points! Just show me evidence that Obama has "spent millions" defending birth certificate lawsuits?
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#80. To: AGAviator, James Deffenbach, Original_Intent, abraxas, all (#72)
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#81. To: Original_Intent (#78)
Pathetic in that you are incapable of seeing how this leads to disestablishment of the Republic and the loss of freedom
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#82. To: abraxas (#75)
Just go up the thread and listen to Michelle yourself
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#83. To: Itistoolate (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#84. To: X-15 (#45)
So much for America celebrating a new Hope by a burst of enthusiasm and idealism at the "election" of a marxist mongrel-dog of questionable heritage. The construction of the new political and economic system and the conversion of the whole nation to a new set of attitudes just can't seem to get off the ground, fortunately.
#85. To: AGAviator (#79)
#86. To: Artisan (#83)
are you really going to make us go to that jew apologist site wnd
#87. To: Artisan (#83)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#88. To: AGAviator (#79)
I am a lawyer, and I know that filing a simple motion to dismiss for lack of standing--which has worked for almost every one of these lawsuits--is very CHEAP. A junior associate can crank one out in ten minutes, and they cost almost nothing to file.
#89. To: AGAviator (#82)
She didn't say he was born in Kenya.
#90. To: abraxas (#89)
lol.....what, no verbatim? Let me help you......."when we took our trip to Africa and visited HIS HOME COUNTRY IN KENYA".......... She says it's his "HOME COUNTRY" for crying out loud. How is it his home country if homey wasn't even born there?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#91. To: abraxas (#89)
What, prey tell, does "home country" mean to you?
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#92. To: James Deffenbach (#90)
(Edited)
What, prey [sic] tell, does "home country" mean to you?
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#93. To: AGAviator (#92)
#94. To: AGAviator (#91)
#95. To: James Deffenbach (#90)
#96. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#93)
If there was no truth to the matter, the thing would die on the vine, just like the 9-11 folks saying it was an inside job
How badly you have already lost an argument that should have died out long ago.
(1) McCain spent $1.5 million on his 2008 Presidential legal expenses. Obama spent $1.7. Why do the k00ks presume that all or even a major portion of Obama's $1.7 million is not for the same non-BC issues that McCain had to pay $1.5 million for?
Just a partial list.
(2) Why do experienced practicing lawyers explicitly state that drafting and filing motions to dismiss for lack of standing take minimal amounts of time and money, especially when they are swiftly honored by all judges, contrary to the k00kclaims that these junior attorney/law clerk tasks must have taken millions
(3) How much legal costs are incurred when cases never proceed to deposition, interrogatories, or discovery but are simply dismissed for lack of standing and/or evidence?
(4) How many individuals filing these BC conspiracy theories were either not in good standing with their State Bars or had histories of sanctions (start with Philip Berg),
(5) How many BC k00k cases were badly bungled by these incompetent plaintiffs who failed to follow basic procedures including proper service and not pressuring the public to try to influence the presiding bench, causing delays in the cases and plantiff rebukes from the bench
(6) What is the importance of the cardinal rule of American jurisprudence that accusations and charges must be backed by credible evidence indicating possession of information capable of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, to prevent them being dismissed for lack of credible evidence?
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#97. To: AGAviator (#52)
got as much business seeing his BC, as you have
seeing his weenie
#98. To: Flintlock (#97)
Nigerian spunk that's been pumped up your ass
SHOW US HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#99. To: AGAviator (#98)
Let me put it again into language you can understand, keyclacking fruitcake.
a peek and a feel inside Obama's shorts
#100. To: AGAviator (#98)
that have already been vetted by dozens of qualified personnel
#101. To: AGAviator (#98)
#102. To: Original_Intent (#42)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#103. To: christine (#101)
(Edited)
i don't believe for a minute He has been PROPERLY vetted...it's a coverup
(1) They were handled by a rabble of amateur lawyers and lawyer wannabes, who could not identify the relevant issues, venues, and necessary evidence, and several of whom had already already been disciplined by their state bars, and couldn't even follow proper legal protocol and format,
(2) The principals behind the challenges are completely willing to give full belief into the wildest and most absurd charges without a moment of hesitation. Examples: (a) The ridiculous claim that Obama spent $1.7 million getting BC cases thrown out of court, when McCain spent $1.5 million total on all other matters excluding that one issue,
(b) The filing of an Internet forged Kenyan birth certificate in a court,
(c) The baseless allegations that unfavorable judge rulings for not following proper procedure, were politically motivated
(d) The baseless allegation that the forms submitted by Hawaii are not the legally binding documents that are required by law. This is no longer a government for, of, and by the people. the constitution is, as far as We the People are concerned, just a goddamned piece of paper.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#104. To: Flintlock (#99)
Nobody, I mean NOBODY with a brain believes your bullshit.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#105. To: AGAviator (#104)
Obama is President
#106. To: noone222 (#59)
I'm reposting yours. You nailed it.
#107. To: IRTorqued (#102)
also, where is it legally recorded that Barry Soetoro changed his name to barack hussein obama ?
#108. To: AGAviator, Flintlock (#104)
...at least he's 50% brain capable instead of being 99% brain dead like the rest in Washington.
#109. To: AGAviator (#104)
(Edited)
Lissen, NOBODY. ***Nobody*** cares about BA's BC any more except lost-cause losers.
#110. To: Original_Intent (#108)
He is at a complete loss without his teleprompter telling him what he thinks
#111. To: noone222 (#88)
The Constitution operates when the medium of exchange is Constitutional MONEY. When the medium of exchange is debt based, fiat currency or better said CREDIT or COMMERCIAL PAPER, then the law is no longer the law of the land based upon substance drawn from the land, it's Law of Commerce/Contracts which is Admiralty Law, or Law of the Sea.
#112. To: Original_Intent (#107)
Soebama
#113. To: christine (#111)
i'd like to see his ass covered in the muck
#114. To: Flintlock (#113)
#115. To: christine (#106)
I'll say this one more time ... "THERE AIN'T NO CONSTITUTION" the Law of the Land has been usurped by the law of COMMERCE since we all utilize commercial paper to transact business. The Courts and the STATES collect taxes and fines etc., in commercial paper as opposed to money (real money like silver or gold like the CONSTITUTION RELIES UPON)
#116. To: christine (#101)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#117. To: All (#115)
Exactly, we have had an illegal de jure gov't since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913
#118. To: Original_Intent (#108)
More Kool-Aid?
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#119. To: AGAviator (#118)
(Edited)
yet Obama
#120. To: Flintlock, AGAviator, all (#119)
Take your snake oil someplace else, dimwit.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#121. To: Flintlock (#119)
(Edited)
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#122. To: wudidiz (#120)
#123. To: Original_Intent (#85)
I guess all that money was for Girl Scout Cookies after all.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#124. To: Original_Intent (#85)
Wanna buy a Bridge kid?
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#125. To: abraxas (#95)
I always refer to other countries as my "home country," don't you James? And granny and the spouse do the same, I'm sure.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#126. To: AGAviator (#121)
#127. To: Flintlock (#126)
#128. To: Jethro Tull (#127)
White People with White Guilt Complexes Are Crazy
#129. To: wudidiz (#80)
(Edited)
#130. To: Flintlock (#128)
#131. To: christine (#111)
as an aside, who gives a flying f about his legitimacy when we've got the Gulf of Mexico disaster. it pales in importance. i'd like to see his ass covered in the muck like the poor sea animals.
#132. To: angK (#115)
If this came to light, the illegal gov't of America would fall. It would be a much bigger issue than where BO was born.
#133. To: Jethro Tull (#130)
God can't seem to plug the hole, perhaps a kind word to Odin will work?
#134. To: Flintlock (#126)
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#135. To: AGAviator (#134)
#136. To: christine (#135)
(Edited)
didn't know you were a Soebama aficionado.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#137. To: AGAviator (#104)
#138. To: AGAviator (#136)
instead of drawing a line and insisting that his party members follow his lead
#139. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#137)
If you're doing it deliberately, you're using the Alinsky Playbook, which means everything you say is bullshit.
which means everything you say is bullshit.
#140. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#137)
You can tout as many facts as you like
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#141. To: AGAviator (#134)
#142. To: Jethro Tull (#138)
The man belongs in a cage, and those that support him need a beating.
liar lawyer--same thing, really--and it brought to mind Gulliver's Travels and his explanation of the law and lawyers. Here is part of it.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#143. To: Christine, Jethro Tull, All (#136)
AGAviator
#144. To: James Deffenbach (#140)
He doesn't have any facts, only Obama talking points.
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#145. To: AGAviator (#144)
#146. To: AGAviator (#136)
#147. To: Flintlock (#145)
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#148. To: christine (#146)
(Edited)
Whatever made you believe that he was anything but owned? Jeez, look at his cabinet appointees, his VP pick, his COS
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#149. To: Flintlock, A K A Stone (#143)
(Edited)
#150. To: AGAviator (#148)
#151. To: Jethro Tull (#149)
---- the Obama Knee pad Brigade ------
#152. To: AGAviator (#144)
I have all kinds of facts, pea brain, none of which any of you are able to rebut.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#153. To: AGAviator (#148)
What were the alternatives?
#154. To: wudidiz (#152)
Where's the fucking birth certificate?
#155. To: wudidiz (#152)
Where's the fucking birth certificate?
"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"
#156. To: James Deffenbach (#87)
Is the truth not still the truth no matter who speaks it or writes it?
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#157. To: wudidiz (#152)
liar lawyer you are trying to get through to, right? And you know what Jonathan Swift said about them, don't you?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#158. To: Artisan (#156)
Yeah. the comment was partly in jest, but i dont like farrah or his website.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#159. To: RickyJ (#105)
He might be your president, but he sure isn't mine. I am sure losers everywhere claim the king loser as their president.
#160. To: Flintlock (#151)
(Edited)
"Maybe he & weasel could get a room?"
TEXT DOLPHIN To 44144
#161. To: Ferret (#160)
What do you have against us heterosexuals?
#162. To: Flintlock (#161)
TEXT DOLPHIN To 44144
#163. To: Flintlock (#126)
"...a role in protesting college investments in firms doing business in South Africa during the apartheid era."
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#164. To: X-15 (#163)
#165. To: Ferret (#162)
My amused female partner
#166. To: Flintlock (#165)
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#167. To: Ferret (#166)
it is your cross to bear; not mine.
#168. To: Flintlock (#167)
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#169. To: Flintlock (#165)
#170. To: Ferret (#168)
don't post to me.
#171. To: Flintlock (#170)
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#172. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#169)
I'm just happy to see boobies on the internet.
#173. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#169)
Peaceful protest organised by the women under the umbrella of Ekiti Women for Peace
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#174. To: Flintlock (#172)
#175. To: James Deffenbach (#157)
You do know that that is a liar lawyer you are trying to get through to, right? And you know what Jonathan Swift said about them, don't you?
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
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