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Title: US, Mexico Agree To Act on Illegal Immigration -- By Suing Arizona
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URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/Larr ... migration_--_by_suing_arizona#
Published: Jun 24, 2010
Author: Larry Elder
Post Date: 2010-06-24 08:09:59 by Eric Stratton
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US, Mexico Agree To Act on Illegal Immigration -- By Suing Arizona U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder questioned the constitutionality of Arizona's new immigration law -- before admitting he hadn't read it. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just confirmed that the feds plan to sue to stop the law. And Mexico, whose president said Arizona's law "opens a Pandora's box of the worst abuses in the history of humanity," recently filed a brief in U.S. federal court to side with the law's opponents. Is Arizona's law, scheduled to go into effect next month, an unconstitutional assault on all things moral and decent? How else to describe the over-the-top reaction to -- and the often completely false description of -- the law by people who apparently neither read nor understood it? A New York Times sports writer, for example, said, "The law makes the failure to carry immigration documents a crime and directs the police to question people about their immigration status and demand to see their documents if there is reason to suspect they are illegal." Federal law already requires that noncitizens carry documents to prove that they are in the country legally. Arizona makes failure to do so a state crime. What does the Arizona law direct the police to do? The law says: "For any lawful stop, detention or arrest ... where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien ... a reasonable attempt shall be made ... to determine the immigration status of the person." This means that if you a) are lawfully stopped and b) a cop reasonably believes you may be here illegally, then c) the officer will check into your status. That's a lot of hoops to jump through. What is a "lawful stop"? Lawmakers added an explanatory note to the Arizona law. It says, "A lawful stop, detention or arrest must be in the enforcement of any other law." This is important, and it's ignored or mischaracterized by some of the law's critics. The "lawful stop" -- which may trigger a further inquiry about a person's status -- must be for reasons other than a suspicion that one is here illegally. What constitutes "reasonable suspicion" that the person is an illegal alien? The Supreme Court has defined "reasonable suspicion" as "common-sense" factors that an officer must be able to explain. It cannot be a mere hunch. A bad cop can abuse any law. And yes, there are gray areas in this one. But officers operate under this kind of imprecision every day. Can a person be stopped because he or she "looks" Mexican? Again, the stop must be for a reason other than a suspicion of illegal entry. But after a lawful stop, can "looking Mexican" trigger the suspicion of illegality? The law says: "A law enforcement official ... may not consider race, color or national origin in the enforcement of this section except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution." Ethnicity or race can be a factor if coupled with, for example, the commission of a traffic offense while having no driver's license or other government-issued ID and not being able to speak English. What proof must be shown? The law says proof of legal residence can be an Arizona driver's license, an Arizona-issued ID, a tribal ID or a federal, state or local government-issued ID. U.S. Attorney General Holder says the Arizona law "has the possibility of leading to racial profiling." To repeat, racial profiling -- using race or ethnicity as the sole criterion -- is illegal under U.S. and Arizona law. Seventy-three percent of Americans approve of "requiring people to produce documents verifying legal status." Sixty-seven percent approve of "allowing police to detain anyone unable to verify legal status." And 62 percent believe in "allowing police to question anyone they think may be in the country illegally" -- which goes even further than does the Arizona law. Yes, illegal aliens are humans. They also broke the law and cut in front of others who are trying to come here legally. Most illegal aliens from south-of-the-border countries are "unskilled." They compete against unskilled Americans -- often while taking advantage of taxpayer-provided education, health care and other benefits. Many Americans are open to increasing legal immigration and to a temporary worker program -- but the debate is pointless without secure borders. The Arizona-Mexico border remains porous and dangerous. And nearly half of illegal aliens enter legally but overstay -- with little or nothing done to keep track of them. How does Mexico treat illegals in its country from Central American countries? The president of Mexico's National Human Rights Commission once said, "One of the saddest national failings on immigration issues is the contradiction in demanding that the North (the United States) respect migrants' rights, which we are not capable of guaranteeing in the South." Where's Guatemala's lawsuit against Mexico?
Larry Elder
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
This is one of those moments in my life when I feel like I'm living in a parallel universe. Ol' Pablo there seems to go to extreme flourishes with his rhetoric, huh? I suspect, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I suspect that the Soviets killing tens of millions of their own people, the Chinese and the Glorious Revolution, the Nazis and their extermination of anybody who would march into an oven, well, those seem to me to be a *bit* more of what we'd call "abuse" than simply asking for identification at a traffic stop.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Okay. So if I were to bring a lawsuit against Russia for not allowing me to illegally enter, live there, get money from the state there, get free medical care, and various other services, I should win right? Because that's what these south of the border primates are saying. American Laws are null and void and only apply to everyone else, not the illegal alien scourge from our south. Well here's what I think we should do. Declare WAR on Mexico. Let's see just how many illegal aliens there are in this country, because I assure you that there are at least 50 Million if not more of their kind currently displacing American Citizens right fucking now.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
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I'll tell you exactly where they are. Worried about the Hispanic Vote. They could give a shit less about the American Citizen, they're worried about a fucking demographic full of criminal illegal aliens, over their own citizens. THAT is the truth of things where our government is concerned. They seem to think that Race matters over our Constitution, and that demographics are far more important than what is right and just for our country. The people in power today are nothing but traitors, PERIOD, and should be treated the way we used to treat traitors. Hang them all.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
What would be more effective and would throw a stark, glaring light on their backwardness, would be for *normal* people to declare war. Just start rolling across the Mexican border with our guns in the gun racks of our trucks and loads of ammo and kevlar in the beds (with somebody back there guarding it). Hundreds of thousands of us, at once, break down the checkpoints into Mexico and roll through. Drive straight to Ciudad Mexico, plant the Gadsden and declare the new nation of Freedonia. After that we could make the residents apply for permits to stay. :)
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Better yet, let's roll up on these mother fuckers, and make them pay for all their thieving relatives that stole the prosperity from America, by making them pay higher taxes, TO US. We'd be doing the Mexican People a favor if we freed them from the tyranny of the drug cartels, and their own tyrannical and repressive government. Of course, why should we liberate them, when we could just as soon roll into Washington DC, and free OURSELVES? The people who need to be destroyed, are the very people who are running THIS country.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
The people who need to be destroyed, are the very people who are running THIS country. Yup ...
YOU only count when it's census or TAX time" ... don't you find it ironic that the census bureau says they rely upon the Constitution for their authority and pays their help in UNCONSTITUTIONAL FRNs ... bend over and lick the hand that beats you !
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Mexico needs to take financial responsibility for its illegal migrant invasion forces and their damages to our economy, etc., rather than winking and nodding at them and their "Aztlan" designs. If it persists in throwing its weight around here in alliance with those marauding banditos, it's essentially breaking the Peace Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which could be construed as an Act of War.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Here's something I found at rumormillnews while researching the Queen of England's liability for BP that sounds like this guy, or at least his idea, could be helpful to us: LEGAL NOTICE TO BP AND QUEEN OF ENGLAND to attack the abuses of government in the State of Washington in 1994, [Voltaire] successfully coordinated for filing a commercial lien against corrupt officials who had not filed their legally required oaths of office with the Secretary of State. The lien amounted to $45,000 each-for every human being in Washington. 400,000+ people signed on to it, many of whom were able to discharge mortgages, taxes, and other debts as a result. Voltaire himself successfully converted a small portion of the lien to a six figure sum in cash, in partial compensation for his work. That campaign so frightened the corrupt officials that they invented the term "paper terrorist" in fear of Voltaire, and enacted legislation making it a criminal offense to file liens against public officials. This later got adopted nationwide as federal law, but what is funny about it is that it only criminalizes filing "false" liens -- i.e. liens on false pretenses without proper legal cause and properly established paper trail. Since Voltaire had proper legal cause and properly established paper trail, the new law is ineffective against his liens.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Sounds like music to my ears! :) Bill their accomplices, too, and all the thieves and corrupters of our Republic! Pay Me My Money Down - Bruce Springsteen ( Official Video )
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Free your mind some and watch this martial arts instructor, "Groucho": Kung Fu Bear- Unedited Footage(NOT FAKE!)-ORIGINAL
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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LOL Wax on, Eric-sun, just remember to sand the floor first. :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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...or maybe it wasn't you. lol ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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And Mexico, whose president said Arizona's law "opens a Pandora's box of the worst abuses in the history of humanity,"
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Of course, why should we liberate them, when we could just as soon roll into Washington DC, and free OURSELVES?
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The people in power today are nothing but traitors, PERIOD, and should be treated the way we used to treat traitors.
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make them pay for all their thieving relatives that stole the prosperity from America, by making them pay higher taxes, TO US.
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what a corny movie.
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