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Title: Are Dating Sites Scams?
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Published: Jun 25, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-06-25 11:45:16 by Turtle
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Views: 2905
Comments: 86

I was sondering about this yesterday.

My last girlfriend, before she met me, had signed up for one of those Chemistry/eHarmony/Match.com sites.

She told me she had a few dates and they were catastrophes. They had nothing in common. And she paid money for this!

I'll bet not one person out of ten thousand finds a mate on these sites.

Out of curiosity I once took the test at Chemistry.com. They asked questions about the ratio of my ring and index finger (men have longer ring fingers due to testosterone in the womb). I consider such a ratio irrelevant in a relationship.

They asked one question each about politics and religion -- which I have found to be exremely important in relationships.

I'll bet the owners of these sites are making millions off of lonely desperate people. i'll bet they pay for a month and then let it lapse. But if people are signing up every day, well, there is a sucker born every minute.

i'll bet I could do a better job as a matchmaker than these people.

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#1. To: Turtle, 4 (#0)

Luckily, I have absolutely nothing to contribute to the thread.

Have you looked at ashleymadison.com ?

Good luck with it.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   11:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle (#0)

You're making a mistake with 'relationships'. Just use ashleymadison.com for hooking up w/ married women who are bored (but secure) and just want a fling.

Yeah, it costs money, but everyone knows why they're at the hotel room so you don't have to put up with a lot of touchy-feely bullshit, everyone goes home when you're done and someone else cleans up...love means never having to ask for cab fare.

I still love their slogan "When Monogamy Becomes Monotony"...my only question is "when doesn't it?"

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   11:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Samuel Gray, Turtle, 4 (#2)

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   12:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#3)

Man, my last five girlfriends have been married and at least ten years younger. Don't know about the romance, but the rest was first rate. ;)

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   12:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Samuel Gray (#4)

Man, my last five girlfriends have been married and at least ten years younger. Don't know about the romance, but the rest was first rate. ;)

Yeah, isn't amorality and playing a hand in destroying families fun?

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-25   12:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Samuel Gray, Turtle, 4 (#4)

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   12:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: SonOfLiberty, Samuel Gray (#5)

It's all fun and games, until a pissed of husband hunts you down with a shotgun. I once knew a very kind man who had never committed any crimes until he found his wife in bed with another man and he simply blew him away.

He was the only ex-con my mother ever allowed around her children.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   12:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: abraxas (#7)

It's all fun and games, until a pissed of husband hunts you down with a shotgun. I once knew a very kind man who had never committed any crimes until he found his wife in bed with another man and he simply blew him away.

I've read that many years ago in the South it was legal for a man to kill his wife and her lover if he caught them in be together.

I mean, honestly, how can you do anything to a husband or wife who catches their spouse in bed with someone else?

For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX

Turtle  posted on  2010-06-25   12:20:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)

isn't amorality and playing a hand in destroying families fun?

It's only amoral by your definition, and yeah, it's fun.

As for the rest, all of them are still with their spouses and families, nothing is 'destroyed.'

At no time has anyone's arm been twisted...unless of course, she was into that.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   12:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Turtle (#8)

I've read that many years ago in the South it was legal for a man to kill his wife and her lover if he caught them in be together.

Was it legal for the wife who cought her husband screwing around too?

Lorena Bobbit knew a thing or two about crimes of passion. A bullet might have been cleaner, but she sure did make a point.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   12:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Samuel Gray (#9)

It's only amoral by your definition,

No, it's amoral or immoral by most every definition of every society that has existed. Stop being a goddamned leftist relativist, that kind of non-logic only works on feminists.

and yeah, it's fun.

You're an evil guy. I won't say "man", you don't rise to the definition.

As for the rest, all of them are still with their spouses and families, nothing is 'destroyed.'

Oh shut up. You have no idea what came out or may come out in the future. But it doesn't matter to you who gets hurt, as long as you get your pecker wet right?

At no time has anyone's arm been twisted...unless of course, she was into that.

Oh, well then, because both participated in this horror, it's ok then. The bystanders who take the shrapnel are of no consequences.

Good job on moral relativism, skippy. Here's hoping that the husband catches you with his wife someday and you get your just deserts.

Don't bother responding, I have no time of day for people like you.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-25   12:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Turtle, 4 (#8)

I've read that many years ago in the South it was legal for a man to kill his wife and her lover if he caught them in be together.

Absolutely true in both the south and the western states - justifiable homicide.

It should never have changed.

imo

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   12:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: abraxas (#10)

them in be together. Was it legal for the wife who cought her husband screwing around too?

Lorena Bobbit knew a thing or two about crimes of passion. A bullet might have been cleaner, but she sure did make a point.

I doubt any jury would find her guilty.

Loreena Bobbitt was crazy.

For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX

Turtle  posted on  2010-06-25   12:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Lod (#12)

It's a good exercise of common law, and existing "law" should be ignored. Catch a needle dicked low self esteem person in bed with your spouse, feel free to open fire, I say.

Real people aren't afraid of relationships and don't have to destroy others lives to try and fulfill their insecure little requirements. There is no end of single men or women who want only a friends with benefits setup to choose from, the requirement to go to a married person is born solely out of a hatred for oneself and others.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-25   12:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: SonOfLiberty (#11)

Sounds like someone found his wife's AshleyMadison login on the computer, LOL. Glad you were able to get that off your chest, though. Life must be difficult for you if such things can get you so riled.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   12:33:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Samuel Gray (#15) (Edited)

I figured you'd reply as such, since you have no moral base and no regard for your fellow human being. Sneering, sniveling wise cracks are the meat and mead of the relativist after all. But no, we're fine thanks. She, like me, rejects insecure sneaking, sniveling little losers like you. Peddle your wares to somebody else, kid, and grow up. And whatever you do, don't act surprised when you hear the knock on your door at midnight and the jacking of a slide after a wife breaks down and reveals her trysts with you to her husband.

Bozo filter, engaged.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-25   12:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: SonOfLiberty (#16)

Darn it, and here I thought we were opening a dialogue.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   12:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Turtle (#0)

On the topic of dating sites, it's a place for people begging to have smoke blown up their butts.

I'm outgoing and have hundreds of friends.......yeah, that's why you can't find a date.

I'm a real hottie.......just look at that graduation picture from two decades back.

I'm proportionate........once the pictures are elongated in photoshop.

I'm active........when I'm not popping ho-ho's in my mouth with eyes glued to a reality tv marathon.

Oh, and I NEVER get angry or tell a lie.......nope, not even one.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   12:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: abraxas (#18)

With the games going on these days I couldn't imagine being in the dating world. The entire idea of human emotions and closeness seem almost laughably anathema to many singles that I know. Well, that's what they say anyway. What a cold, cold brave new world is being created.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-25   12:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: abraxas (#18)

people begging to have smoke blown up their butts.

I love eharmony's "29 dimensions of compatibility". WTF does that mean? There aren't that many known dimensions in the physical universe yet.

An acquaintance of mine got paired up with a guy from eHarmony.com who tested out as "Knight in Shining Armor" material on every level.

She waxed the lance of Sir Knight on the third date and he ended up breaking things off after she told him she was pregnant and was never seen again. I learned later that she had "tragically miscarried" the child.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   12:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: SonOfLiberty (#19)

It's very hard for people to find a relationship with another when they don't even know thy self. And, if they did know thy self, then they wouldn't have any problem with spending some time alone until the right person comes along rather than having to have another person around to "complete" them.

Sigh.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   12:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: abraxas (#21)

That "you complete me" bullshit is the vilest lie ever foisted on the human psyche.

If you're not whole when you meet someone, there's still gonna be a fractional human being there somewhere. The average couple I meet, mathematically, is about 0.8, total.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   12:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SonOfLiberty, 4 (#19)

With the games going on these days I couldn't imagine being in the dating world.

Exactly my sentiment.

I cannot even imagine firing up the dating game today.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   12:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: SonOfLiberty (#14)

"It's a good exercise of common law, and existing "law" should be ignored. Catch a needle dicked low self esteem person in bed with your spouse, feel free to open fire, I say."

I understand why you feel so strongly, but as it involved ending alife one should at least make sure that the spouse - male or female - didn't initiate the liason, or wasn't equally at fault for the situation.

I mean, if it turns out to be the suuation, all yo do in the end is amke the news media happy for giving them a tragic human interest story with a realironic twist.

Ferret  posted on  2010-06-25   12:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: abraxas (#21)

The soul-mate stuff is the one that really, really gets me.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   12:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: abraxas (#21)

It stands to reason. "Self Esteem" has been taught to many younger folks (< 35) as being something granted by others for "just trying", not earned through your own action and successful work. It's not surprising then that folks now look to others to provide things like "completeness", since they do not know how to even begin supplying it to themselves.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-25   13:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Lod (#25)

The soul-mate stuff is the one that really, really gets me.

I've always cringed when I've heard women and pseudo-men say that word. Where does it come from anyway? Who originated it? Oprah? I seem to recall hearing it in the early-mid 1990's, but not really before that.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-25   13:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)

somanyfish.com

This is a great free site. Craig's list is also a great place to meet good women.

Ferret  posted on  2010-06-25   13:09:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret (#24)

It's hard to cut slack to somebody who walks through a home with family pictures on the walls, following a woman with a large ring on her finger up to the bedroom, seeing the open closet with a man's clothes in it, and then goes through with it anyway.

Sorry, in those kinds of cases (which are the only ones I'm talking about, not one where the spouse is intentionally hiding her/his married status, in which case the unsuspecting partner is innocent of malice), then a shotgun shell delivered to the head is appropriate and just.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-25   13:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Samuel Gray (#20)

How can that be? According to Newsweek: "No Company Screens Its Members More Rigorously"

That right there is a "scientifically proven combat"......lol.....I mean "compatability matching system."

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   13:15:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret, all (#28)

Craig's list is also a great place to meet good women.

lol........nobody is smokin' what you are rollin' Mike.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   13:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Lod (#25)

lol........if Carl Jung was correct, then all 6.6 billion of us are soul mates. People fall for this "soul mate" bit hook, line and sinker, but, between you and I, it's mostly desparation and lust, not a spiritual aspiration.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   13:24:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: abraxas (#31)

"lol........nobody is smokin' what you are rollin' Mike."

Craig's list is a choice that works better in some areas then in others. But in using any dating service, common sense and getting to know someone and finding out what ou are getting into is always allot smrter then to give the hormones the driver's sat in starting out with someone.

Ferret  posted on  2010-06-25   13:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SonOfLiberty (#29)

This is why, just like the Super Bowl, you play the game on a neutral field. Hotel room and/or equidistant location.

That's astoundingly naive of you to think it plays out that way. Yeah, if a person does it the way you described in your first paragraph, they should be shot, not for shtupping someone else's spouse, but as a Darwinian imperative to remove stupid from the gene pool.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   13:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: abraxas (#30)

How can that be? According to Newsweek: "No Company Screens Its Members More Rigorously"

That right there is a "scientifically proven combat"......lol.....I mean "compatability matching system."

I got this one. The fatal flaw in their system is that they assume guys are being honest. We're portrayed as rather dim animals but most of us are smart enough to pick the right sappy answer out of a field of generic questions, to wit:

"If a woman you're attracted to or dating walks in to your apartment crying, do you:

A) Ignore it and watch ESPN

B) Get up, take her in your arms and ask her what is wrong

C) Fart loudly and remind her that Thursdays are "steak and blowjobs" night

D) Make a PMS remark or ask if she's "riding the cotton pony" this week.

I took the test long ago. It's like 30 pages of foofy questions to gauge your sincerity. Once you can fake that, you're in.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   13:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: SonOfLiberty, 4 (#27)

interesting site about marriage, soul-mates, and more -

www.marriagehelper.com/soul_mate.php

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   13:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: SonOfLiberty, Lod (#27)

The soul-mate stuff is the one that really, really gets me. Where does it come from anyway?

Funny, must think somewhat alike, because I actually looked up the origin of that one, I guess I enjoy etymology or something.

It was a term in the early part of this century to describe a "lacivious affair". It was not a flattering statement. Somewhere along the line when teh wimmins became 'labiated' and it was a heroic thing to be a 'single mom, blah, blah, blah..' it became popularized and turned on its head.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2010-06-25   14:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Lod (#36)

Wait a minute, Loddy. Who is this Joe Beam? I thought Jim Beam with the marriage helper. ; )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   14:05:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas, 4 (#38)

I think JimBeam helps fuel affairs more than he helps marriages.

Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   14:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Lod (#39)

Sound advice Loddy. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   14:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: abraxas (#40)

The aforementioned eHarmony girl used to say that Jack (Daniels) put her on her back and Jose (Cuervo) put her on her knees. Assuming the best about her 'virtue', I presumed that meant passed out in the first instance and puking in the second. She said "yeah, that's about 75 percent right..."

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   14:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Samuel Gray (#41)

lol....eharmony girl sounds like a "real catch" and I just can't fathom why she's having a hard time finding a meaningful relationship. Perhaps water found it's own level on the sight when she hooked up with that "real catch" of a guy.

Do you think she answered all the drinking questions honestly? It's a real turn on to hold hair back while vomit spews.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   14:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: SonOfLiberty (#29)

my opinion is that most (normal) men won't move on a woman until he gets a signal that she's interested. it's my contention that most of the time it's the woman who is the initiator. what do you think?

christine  posted on  2010-06-25   14:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: christine (#43)

Unless, of course, the men are married.....then they initiate ad nauseum, coming back like a dog to vomit for more rejection, always thinking that this one last hail mary pass will win the game.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   14:47:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: abraxas (#44)

perhaps..but i still think they get the signal of interest first assuming they're not narcississtic sociopaths who aren't fazed by rejection. that's why i qualified my statement with normal men. ;)

christine  posted on  2010-06-25   15:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: christine (#45)

that's why i qualified my statement with normal men. ;)

lol.........I did miss that caveat. Proceed to ignore my previous commentary on the matter. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   15:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: SonOfLiberty (#19)

With the games going on these days I couldn't imagine being in the dating world. The entire idea of human emotions and closeness seem almost laughably anathema to many singles that I know. Well, that's what they say anyway. What a cold, cold brave new world is being created.

Purely intentional and by plan I assure you. That is the reason for the Feminism PsyOp and the war on religion. The people directing the operation are Psych's of various flavors but the goal is the distancing of men and women the normalization of the perverse.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-25   16:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: christine, SonOfLiberty (#43)

my opinion is that most (normal) men won't move on a woman until he gets a signal that she's interested. it's my contention that most of the time it's the woman who is the initiator. what do you think?

It depends upon whether you are dealing with a gentleman or not and/or someone of normal perceptiveness versus someone who is either naive or a dullard.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-25   16:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: abraxas (#32)

lol........if Carl Jung was correct, then all 6.6 billion of us are soul mates. People fall for this "soul mate" bit hook, line and sinker, but, between you and I, it's mostly desparation and lust, not a spiritual aspiration.

I think I must respectfully disagree. I have met two or three women, unfortunately already married, with whom there was an indefinable difference I just felt immediately comfortable and it was reciprocated. Like two halves that fit together. No, I think the concept valid but too often desperation and lust are accepted as a substitute for the real thing. I have noticed it as well in some older couples and when one dies the other, unless they're tough and independent as well, usually does not live another full year.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-25   16:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Original_Intent (#49)

I just felt immediately comfortable and it was reciprocated

I always feel this about my pets OI....does that make them all my soul mates? : )

I think the concept is overused, abused and over applied. Although, I too have known older couples who by actions and deeds demonstrated the concept better than any I've ever heard speak of it.

I was a hospice volunteer for a woman with Alzheimer's. Really more of a helper and friend to her husband who insisted on lovingly caring for her at home. When I began, the two had been married for 62 years and I was fortunate enough to be of small assistance for the following two years.

Of course, her condition worsened. But, each day he cared for her with such love and patience. Although she wasn't physically responsive, you could actually see her spirit respond to her devoted husband. They had three adult children, who eventually insisted that she be put in a home against his adament wishes, in fact he went after his daughter with a knife when she pushed this upon him. And this sweet, sweet man, had nary a mean bone in his body. He just had no way to defend against their insistance on separating he and his wife. This, sadly, broke all the child/parent bonds. S

She died within two weeksof separation from her devoted husband, despite having been deemed quite healthy just two weeks prior with never even one bed sore in all the time her cared for her. One month later, he followed her and he had very few health problems to speak of, other than the fact that he didn't want to live without his sweetheart.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   16:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: abraxas (#50)

Just too sad for words.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-25   16:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: abraxas (#50)

I always feel this about my pets OI....does that make them all my soul mates? : )

As the proud guardian of two affectionate feline friends I can sympathize.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-25   16:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: abraxas (#50)

that is a very sad story. how could their kid do such a horible thing? ;-(

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-25   16:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Original_Intent (#52)

your use of the word 'guardian' instead of owner just raised my hackles. lol!! ;-/

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-25   16:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: abraxas (#50)

What a brutal story.

Did these folks not have living wills and physicians' directives as to their wishes?

These things need to be reduced to writing while we're still competent and able to get them done.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   17:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Artisan (#54)

your use of the word 'guardian' instead of owner just raised my hackles. lol!! ;-/

Well my kitties are my little friends. I don't think of them as "property", although in the eyes of the law they are, but as non-human companions whom I love. It is a matter really of viewpoint. One "owns" things, however a furred friend is a responsibility and a comfort. My little Tia-dorable is currently napping on my shoulder as I write.

I guess that is where I depart from a "pure" "modern" Libertarian philosophy, which often eschews responsibility, and remain a PaleoLibertarian i.e., that I view ownership, control, and responsibility as co-equals. If you diminish one you diminish the others. If you increase one you increase the others. Much the same as operates Knowledge, Responsibility, and Control. One cannot be responsible for something they do not Control, and they cannot control that which they do not have knowledge of. Again they are mutually dependent - increase one and it raises the others and vice versa.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-25   18:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Lod (#55)

What a brutal story.

Did these folks not have living wills and physicians' directives as to their wishes?

These things need to be reduced to writing while we're still competent and able to get them done.

I'm aware of a similar one that was even more vicious - the elderly man, a neighbor, was, along with his wife who was given a Psych Drug, taken before a Judge, declared incompetent, and placed by son in a "facility" notorious for the short lifespan of its "patients". Fortunately the lady recovered enough from the drug to escape and she was able to contact her daughter by phone who picked her up. Unfortunately they were not able to get the old man out before he died. The woman, no longer under the influence of the drug, got herself declared competent and then cut the son, effectively, out of the Will - leaving him $1 so that her intent was clear and there were no grounds for him to contest the will.

The insanity and viciousness of some people is ghastly to observe. However, I do not let such scum color my view of others since most people are decent.

I don't blame the old man abraxas spoke of for pulling a knife on the daughter who stole his love.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-25   18:31:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Original_Intent, Abraxas, 4 (#57)

I don't blame the old man abraxas spoke of for pulling a knife on the daughter who stole his love.

Nor I.

Pity he hadn't a proper sidearm to close the deal.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   18:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Lod (#55)

Did these folks not have living wills and physicians' directives as to their wishes?

I'm not sure. In hospice, I often help people with such directives, but in this case, Frank was of sound mind and I never butted into his business, just listened and watched over his wife while he ran errands and such. The kids said he wasn't able to care for her and the home, although in the two year span that I was visiting the house was ALWAYS in good order. From what I gather, they set out to make the case that he wasn't able.....the three children against their father. They would refuse to assist in lieu of putting their mom in a home.

They claimed caring for her was killing him, while I to this day say that taking away his ability to care for her killed him and her.

Frank was competent up to the day he died. He was very sharp and did Sudoko puzzles daily. The kids didn't even bother to tell me after I had been coming over to Frank's each and every week for two years. I got a call from hospice one day out of the blue stating I would no longer be needed. Hospice called when she passed away and again when Frank passed away.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   19:46:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: abraxas (#59)

Truly beyond the pale.

Those adult kids have truly set some awfully, awfully bad karma in motion for themselves.

To my way of thinking, they murdered both their parents.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   19:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Artisan (#53) (Edited)

how could their kid do such a horible thing? ;-(

After being a hospice volunteer for many years, I'm not all that surprised by the things that people do. Kids to parents, parents to kids, siblings, so called friends.

The hospice volunteer has a unique position wherein the person who is going to die has an ally that is unlike those "closest" to them in that they are there to assist and alleviate the pain, but not run from nor deny it.

In this situation, I was providing caretaker assistance, so I didn't get involved in any of the legal details. However, when I am assigned to assist a person directly in hospice this is often the case, many times what they want most is to resolve conflicts, yet even in the face of death people refuse to let go of their hate, anger, victimhood, resentment. It's a unique perspective to see see both sides, how death humbles and hardens people.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   19:56:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Lod (#60)

I met them all and they seemed nice enough. But, the fact that Frank requested outside volunteers with family so close was my first clue that there was some keeping up with appearances going on.

In all my days, I will always remember the tender love, devotion and care he consistently gave to his wife. Throughout the slow progression, he worked to fend off muscle atrophy and she was always very well cared for. When he would leave, only for a couple of hours to run errands, he would always give her a kiss and say something sweet.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-25   20:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: abraxas (#62)

You should write a short story about the last years of their love affair.

It would be beautiful, and instructive for all of us.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   21:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: abraxas (#50)

What a depressing story!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-25   22:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: James Deffenbach. 4 (#64)

Lod  posted on  2010-06-25   22:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Lod (#65)

Nice one. Never heard it before, thank you.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-25   22:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Samuel Gray (#2)

"..... everyone knows why they're at the hotel room.....everyone goes home when you're done and someone else cleans up..."

The sheets maybe, but not the bedspread.

About a year ago I was watching one of those late night detective programs about a real life murder and how they caught the guy that did it. In this instance the cops suspected that the suspect took the victim to, IIRC, the Days Inn Motel in Des Moines and had sex with her before he killed her. So they tested the bedspread in that room and found DNA from over 120 people on just that one bedspread.

Big Meanie  posted on  2010-06-25   23:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Big Meanie (#67) (Edited)

The sheets maybe, but not the bedspread.

About a year ago I was watching one of those late night detective programs about a real life murder and how they caught the guy that did it. In this instance the cops suspected that the suspect took the victim to, IIRC, the Days Inn Motel in Des Moines and had sex with her before he killed her. So they tested the bedspread in that room and found DNA from over 120 people on just that one bedspread.

Yeah...you probably don't want to turn on a blacklight in any hotel room. "Fluids" on the lampshades, ceiling, drapes, desk chairs, and probably every other imaginable place and a few you can't...well, ok, perhaps just one 'fluid'.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-06-25   23:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: James Deffenbach (#64)

Generally, my hospice volunteering stories do not produce what most would call a happy ending.

Sorry to bum you out James. The silver lining was how much he loved his wife and how fortunate I was to witness that. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-26   0:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Turtle (#0)

I used to do plentyoffish.com

Its free.

YOu all interested in this subject should do it now.

I got laid. and I met alot of cool folks... Ultimately though I met my wife elsewhere... In a mildly ironic twist it was still online... just not at an online dating site...

titorite  posted on  2010-06-26   1:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Original_Intent (#56)

Tia-dorable is currently napping on my shoulder as I write

that's very cute! i too view our dog as part of the family- we call her our daughter...lol. it's just that the contingent that generally refers to pet owners as 'guardians' are control freak leftists, who seek to change the law so that a animal is indeed not property. they are a dreadful lot.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-06-26   2:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: christine (#43)

my opinion is that most (normal) men won't move on a woman until he gets a signal that she's interested. it's my contention that most of the time it's the woman who is the initiator. what do you think?

My last semester in college women came out of the woodwork. I realized what wasa going on -- they were graduating and suddenly looked at Turtle in a new light -- marriage material. I blew every one of them off.

For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX

Turtle  posted on  2010-06-26   10:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: abraxas (#69)

The silver lining was how much he loved his wife and how fortunate I was to witness that.

That part of the story was good.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-26   10:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: abraxas (#18)

On the topic of dating sites, it's a place for people begging to have smoke blown up their butts.

I'm outgoing and have hundreds of friends.......yeah, that's why you can't find a date.

I'm a real hottie.......just look at that graduation picture from two decades back.

I'm proportionate........once the pictures are elongated in photoshop.

I'm active........when I'm not popping ho-ho's in my mouth with eyes glued to a reality tv marathon.

Oh, and I NEVER get angry or tell a lie.......nope, not even one.

What's weird is that at Chemistry.com., after taking their bizarre test, I decided to post a description of myself. I had no intention of joining or paying money or responding to anyone. I was curious as to what response I would get.

I put down important things, such as political/religious beliefs, the fact I prefer action films but will compromise on seeing Hugh Grant, whom I called a nancy-boy, and I'll be damned if they didn't reject my application.

Apparently the only description they want is "smart, funny, loves life," etc. In other words, how the average nitwit describes him/herself.

For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX

Turtle  posted on  2010-06-26   11:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Turtle (#74)

I put down important things, such as political/religious beliefs, the fact I prefer action films but will compromise on seeing Hugh Grant, whom I called a nancy-boy, and I'll be damned if they didn't reject my application.

To find "real" chemistry one must ignore the urge to keep it real. Never color outside the lines of the averages. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-26   11:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: abraxas, Turtle, 4 (#75)

This makes me want to try to register at chemistry.com just to see how well, or not, it goes.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-26   11:21:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: abraxas (#75)

To find "real" chemistry one must ignore the urge to keep it real.

I've only found "chemistry" by being honest about who I am.

Unfortunately, it's mostly women who have fallen for that "chemistry" nonsense. Then 10 years later they're telling me, "I'd leave my husband if I could find someone else."

Don't look at me, sweetheart.

For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX

Turtle  posted on  2010-06-26   11:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: abraxas (#75)

one must ignore the urge to keep it real.

You ain't keepin' it real!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-26   11:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Lod (#76)

This makes me want to try to register at chemistry.com just to see how well, or not, it goes.

The test is nonsense. Finger ratio and visual-spatial abilities. Take it and you'll see what I mean.

For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX

Turtle  posted on  2010-06-26   11:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: abraxas (#42)

It's a real turn on to hold hair back while vomit spews.

Not only have I done that but twice they lost control of their bladder and ended up pissing on the ground outside my car.

Of course I was 19 when that happened.

For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX

Turtle  posted on  2010-06-26   11:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Turtle, 4 (#79)

The test is nonsense. Finger ratio and visual-spatial abilities. Take it and you'll see what I mean.

You're right.

I quit after three pages of goofiness.

Lod  posted on  2010-06-26   11:36:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Lod (#81)

You're right.

I quit after three pages of goofiness.

What does my finger ratio and my visual spatial abilities have to with anything?

They'd be better off asking if I have a Neanderthal toe -- which I do. Someone here pointed out it's associated with royalty and high intelligencce.

Now there you go!

For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX

Turtle  posted on  2010-06-26   11:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: James Deffenbach (#78)

lol....you ain't representin'!!

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-26   11:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Turtle (#77)

Unfortunately, it's mostly women who have fallen for that "chemistry" nonsense. Then 10 years later they're telling me, "I'd leave my husband if I could find someone else."

I disagree, it's mostly men. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-06-26   11:55:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: abraxas (#83)

lol....you ain't representin'!!

Whachu doin' up in here, boy?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-06-26   13:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#43)

my opinion is that most (normal) men won't move on a woman until he gets a signal that she's interested. it's my contention that most of the time it's the woman who is the initiator. what do you think?

Sometimes.

There are lots of guys who play the numbers game. They simply approach a woman, signal or no signal, and start chatting her up looking for response. When I worked as a bartender these types were legion.

I know what you're talking about though, the guy who sits and plays it cool and waits for some kind of subtle glance or interest to be shown. It kind of can go one way or the other.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-28   8:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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