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Title: U.N. VEHICLES BY THE THOUSANDS STAGED IN FLORIDA
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Published: Jun 11, 2010
Author: autocollisionman
Post Date: 2010-06-27 08:11:32 by Itistoolate
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just the right location for results of the "oil spill"

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#87. To: TooConservative (#5)

You mean, one of Them? LOL.

Let's face it, you're pretty CHEWISH, really...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

KooK !! lol


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: TooConservative (#9)

lol

Got PsyOps ?

You can't change your spots...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: TooConservative (#10)

Wiki:

Ah, how CHEWISH of you !


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Itistoolate (#14)

Answer: Cohen, Clinton, Albright and Burger

Question: Name 4 ameriKans that should be run through a wood chipper yesterday...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Original_Intent (#16)

I'm sure this is all one GIANT oil spill induced catastrophic and mis-MANAGED DISASTER...trust your goobermint, comrade !


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: HOUNDDAWG (#18)

If UFOs aren't real, then the global governors have done a fantastic job of manufacturing them...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Original_Intent (#19)

Your brilliant critical thinking (which honestly used to be an every day skill imo) is ONE of the many reasons I love www.freedom4um.com. Enjoy the little bit of illusionary freedom we still have, I say ! LOL


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:48:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: TooConservative (#20)

Who gives a fuck about kucinich ?

Am I going to read further obsession about Dennis as I proceed ?

I think I've been clear about my general distilled opinion of that socialist.

That doesn't mean you can or should write off everything he puts forward.

Maybe you need a Critical and Independent Thinking 301 course from an American and not some CHEWISH FIRSTER, eh ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: TooConservative (#23)

Because those pilots are official members of the government and their statements carry greater weight.

Individual members of the military are not allowed to give press conferences, use their position to grandstand, or create public scandal or rumors.

So there is sound reason not to allow the military, a subordinate agency of the presidency, to alarm people or to create rumors or to grandstand.

And they have good cause to think that at least a few of their pilots are fruitbats as well. Therefore, no independent reporting or press conferences by military pilots. I think it is and should be cause for dismissal. No company or government agency allows their employees to appoint themselves as public spokesmen unilaterally or against the interests of the company/agency.

You're assembling negative proofs in a way to use them as a kind of positive evidentiary proof. This isn't possible, however you try to shave off the rough spots in your own mind.

If anyone ever asks me what DICK! cheney's ass tastes like, I'll be sure to point them your way...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#25)

Any mention of mobile units, in say vans or trucks...?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Turtle (#26)

Tell us again, dick cheese, about the 911 The Official Government Fairy Tale®, oh mighty Bush boner...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   0:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: TooConservative (#28)

It is a way of distracting stupid people when you have no proof to offer to support your wild theories and incredible accounts.

Dime a dozen on this interweb thing.

By sheer accident, I'm sure, you've presented yourself on 4um as a CHEWISH apologist. So what credibility, exactly, do you believe you bring to US ?


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   1:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: TooConservative (#29)

Should we destroy our TVs and converter boxes and satellite boxen now, just to be safe from Big Brutha?

Just keep watching FOX NEWS EXTRA EXTRA and we'll see how it goes...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   1:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: TooConservative (#37)

It is you who changed the topic with long bloviating posts about UFOs.

Of course, that is exactly the kind of thing I would say if I were a disinfo specialist. They teach us how to do it in Disinformation Specialist school.

I'm convinced you're a 'Disinformation Specialist' of the lowest odor...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   1:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Original_Intent (#40)

Thank God for students of logic and lovers of truth...

BUMP


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   1:16:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Original_Intent (#40)

If one sets aside preconceptions and lets the evidence tell the story, rather than have a fixed idea, then one is more likely to arrive at the truth. As in anything in this existence there is no guarantee, but the odds are a "bit" better.

A primary, yet not complete, rationale for why Global Warmist World Kommunists hate US so much...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   1:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: TooConservative (#41) (Edited)

But jet airliners fall out of the sky like a rock if they go as slow as 90-100mph.

Your "facts" refute themselves.

Maybe your Universe of knowledge capability is simply too narrow for you to get a handle on things...I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt but you're such a CHEWPOLOGIST that I don't know if you should be believed on the most rudimentary of subjects...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   1:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: FormerLurker (#51)

Do you believe in Jesus?

Well, that in and of itself is extremely ignorant in light of historical facts and miraculous documentations...how you could be a sentient being in this world for more than a little bit and not acknowledge God's creation is fodder for you to be marginalized and in not so polite company to be mildly ridiculed imo.

You can't buy into Jesus being the Son of God / God Himself will be your personal dilemma when your shell cashes in...good luck with that.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   1:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: TooConservative (#20)

While it is not my intent to get off onto a UFO debate the sheer volume of case reports, witness reports etc., all point to an indefinite percentage of UFO reports to be aircraft of some kind.

All? Indefinite?

Make up your mind.

Lame. Yes, indefinite - it means some percentage unknown. It means nothing else other than the exact percentage is not known. I would say at least 5% are bonafide UFO observations. However, when you are dealing in a subject not fully explored you are always dealing in "indefinites" which are subject to change at any time with the introduction of new data. And since the government seems intent on keeping that data unknown any research is opposed and is funded personally by those doing the research.

And no one has ever doubted that some UFOs are unidentified aircraft. And it has been proven repeatedly that this is so. It doesn't help the argument you are trying to make at all.

You didn't really think I was going to let you get away with such a deceptive argument did you? UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - therefore calling an unknown an unidentified "aircraft" is an unsupported assertion. We do not know what they are whether "aircraft", spacecraft, or something else. We can look at the most reliable witness reports, and the objective information such as photographs and video, and hypothesize based on the evidence. Likely some indefinite percentage are black budget "above Top Secret" aircraft but we cannot assert that ALL are. As well some of the reports, such as radar, put the speed and maneuverability of some of these objects well in advance of any known terrestrial technology. Others are of such huge size as to dwarf a Football Stadium. One sighting, by a family member of mine, was of an object so large that it covered the entire extent of the sky, over the high mountain valley we lived in, from horizon to horizon. I know of no known government craft built to that scale nor is there in evidence a propulsion system that could move such an object in total silence. A few military people have begun to speak - taken at face value it confirms that some percentage of the UFO's are in fact of non-terrestrial origin, and are well in advance of any known terrestrial technology. While there is no doubt in my mind that the most advanced technology in the black budget programs is 20 to 40 years in advance of what is spoken of publicly too many of the reports evidence an apparent technology well in advance of that which is believed to be in those black budget programs.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-28   2:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Rotara (#102)

Thank you.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-28   2:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Original_Intent (#106)

You didn't really think I was going to let you get away with such a deceptive argument did you? UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - therefore calling an unknown an unidentified "aircraft" is an unsupported assertion. We do not know what they are whether "aircraft", spacecraft, or something else.

Or swamp gas or old weather balloons. Some UFO sightings have been proved to be nothing else. But not all.

Likely some indefinite percentage are black budget "above Top Secret" aircraft but we cannot assert that ALL are.

No doubt. I think the Air Force makes use of this to conceal tests and may instigate UFO reports so they can debunk them. It would be handy for them to have such a distracting body of work to draw upon, especially during any institutional crisis.

As well some of the reports, such as radar, put the speed and maneuverability of some of these objects well in advance of any known terrestrial technology. Others are of such huge size as to dwarf a Football Stadium. One sighting, by a family member of mine, was of an object so large that it covered the entire extent of the sky, over the high mountain valley we lived in, from horizon to horizon. I know of no known government craft built to that scale nor is there in evidence a propulsion system that could move such an object in total silence.

Maybe the gooberment has a projection technology to create such atmospheric effects. Or a resonance generator that induces hallucinations that follow a familiar cultural trajectory in those exposed to it.

While there is no doubt in my mind that the most advanced technology in the black budget programs is 20 to 40 years in advance of what is spoken of publicly too many of the reports evidence an apparent technology well in advance of that which is believed to be in those black budget programs.

Too many? How many of these reports becomes "too many"? What is the threshold? One hundred? Five thousand? You speak as though a certain threshold has been passed without defining what the threshold is or what the criteria is for judging the standard to have been met. You keep trying to jump from speculation to wudi's corner where you end up citing statistical improbabilities despite the fact we know very little about the universe or even our own galaxy. We have quite a lot of vanity considering how little we actually do know. And scientists have a professional and financial stake in elevating their claims to knowledge, no different than the old tribal witch doctors did.

If intelligent life does exist Out There, why in the world would they be interested in the human race?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   3:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Rotara (#91)

Question: Name 4 ameriKans that should be run through a wood chipper yesterday...

Only four? That is tough.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   3:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: RickyJ (#80)

Sound in principle? I guess Santa Clause is sound in principal too for some people. Unbelievable!

Don't bad-mouth Santa.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   3:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Rotara (#93)

If UFOs aren't real, then the global governors have done a fantastic job of manufacturing them...

What if those UFOs are real and they're full of Jews?

Next thing you know, they'll land in the District and demand dual-citizenship.

And as soon as our gooberment gives in and gives them dual-citizenship, then the Gay Niggers From Outer Space will show up.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   3:48:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: FormerLurker (#72)

ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY

Yahowshua? LOL.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   3:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: TooConservative, FormerLurker (#112)

The Essenes carried the message of Jesus. The Truth. The Word of God. Something to be taken seriously.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-28   4:10:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: TooConservative (#112)

Yahowshua?

Apparently you don't know the name of Jesus in Hebrew.

Are you even a Christian?

It's Yahshua or Yahshuah, not Yahowshua as you wrote it...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: RickyJ (#80)

Sound in principle? I guess Santa Clause is sound in principal too for some people. Unbelievable!

Have you ever read up on Einstein-Rosen Bridges? Check it out when you understand enough Calculus and Physics to grasp it.

I bet you think atoms are just pixie dust too, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: IRTorqued (#74)

when can we expect your documentation of your claimed fact of most of the New Testament being a forgery?

First off, do you have proof it is 100% factual? Maybe 50%? 10%?

Here's some info for you...

ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Eric Stratton (#116)

Ping to above post.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: RickyJ (#85)

Einstein? Really? Are you kidding me? You can't spot a plagiarizer blowing smoke up your ass to save your life, can you? Da Jews built that boy up, real scientists laugh at that clown.

You are one dumb shit Ricky. Are you too lazy to use Google?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Rotara (#105)

Well, that in and of itself is extremely ignorant in light of historical facts and miraculous documentations...how you could be a sentient being in this world for more than a little bit and not acknowledge God's creation is fodder for you to be marginalized and in not so polite company to be mildly ridiculed imo.

I believe there is a God, not some man-god that the leadership of Rome dreamed up after killing all of the REAL person's followers.

The TRUE God is beyond anything that any human being can understand, as God existed and exists beyond this Universe, and is not some guy who riled up the Romans 2000 years ago.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Rotara (#105)

The way I look at it Rotara, is that if all these people who scream and shout the name of Jesus were truly blessed and righteous, our world wouldn't be in the predictiment it's currently in.

For as long as history records events from the time of the birth of the Roman Catholic Church, it has proved to be nothing but a front for evil doers who claim to be following the word of their God.

If there WERE anything to it beyond fantastical stories made up by those who wished to corral and control the populace, there would have been divine intervention preventing the church leaders from perpetrating the sort of evil they committed in Jesus' name.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: FormerLurker (#117)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-28   8:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: FormerLurker (#114)

It's Yahshua or Yahshuah, not Yahowshua as you wrote it...

That's how the URL shows it.

The webpage seems to think that Christianity is about vegetarianism.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   8:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: TooConservative (#108)

If intelligent life does exist Out There, why in the world would they be interested in the human race?

Well, they probably wouldn't until very recently even know we exist. Prior to radio/television we were an invisible little planet, cosmically speaking. Now we give off enough radio power to look like a friggin' pulsar, and anybody with a telescope and radio measuring device would say "now why, oh why, is a small yellow sun giving off so many radio waves like that?". Were I an alien astronomer, that would fixate me on our system like white on rice. And probably the rest of my alien astronomy community as well.

Why people think the earth was visited prior to radio propagation is beyond me. Imagine the unbelievable effort required to explore another solar system (everything boils down to economics, if you take economics to mean a measurement of action in a society). If you were to invest so heavily in extra solar exploration, would you take random pot shots in a galaxy of hundreds of billions of stars, or would you go for the ones that looked like yellow sun pulsars? For my money, I'd go with the low hanging fruit first. Simply picking random suns and then "gosh, a planet with life" seems highly unlikely no matter how sophisticated the technology in question.

As to "why would they be interested in humans", that's easy. For the same reasons we'd be interested in them. It may well be a human conceit that superior technology breeds arrogance. But even that conceit is challenged these days, witness explorers using ginger touches and soft white gloves when dealing with isolated tribes they encounter now and again.

Please keep in mind that this is only my opinion. Who knows, ultimately, what would motivate an alien civilization?

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-28   9:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: SonOfLiberty (#123)

Please keep in mind that this is only my opinion. Who knows, ultimately, what would motivate an alien civilization?

Didn't Steven Hawking recently come out saying that we shouldn't be eager to contact another civilization since it might be malevolent?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   9:17:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: TooConservative (#124)

Hawking seems to be on the "anti-explore" bandwagon for some reason.

Chances are, knowing another civilization is out there doesn't mean that we can *get* to it, or they to us.

Imagine the year 800 AD. An Indian warrior toss notes in leather bottles into the ocean. Thousands of miles away, some guy named Aelfelbert in a place called Land Of The Angles finds the bottle, reads the note, has no real friggin' clue what it is or what it means but knows it's from another person far away, and he has no way to get over there to check. In a response he writes down a few words from Beowulf on a sheet of papyrus (tha was god cynnig!), wraps it up back into the leather bottle, and tosses it back into the ocean. Whether that bottle ever makes it back to Squanto in Massachusetts is a matter of pure slim chance.

To me, that's what interstellar awareness of, and communication with, other civilizations will probably end up looking like, given the distances and limitations imposed by the speed of light.

Just speculation of course. Maybe life is teeming out there, using communications we just don't grok yet, and it's one giant galactic version of Vegas going on. If so, sign me up!

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-28   9:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: SonOfLiberty (#125)

To me, that's what interstellar awareness of, and communication with, other civilizations will probably end up looking like, given the distances and limitations imposed by the speed of light.

We just don't know enough about what we don't know. What if those other lifeforms could hiberate and/or send generational ships. When they showed up here a hundred or a thousand years from now, they might not be too friendly.

Just speculation of course. Maybe life is teeming out there, using communications we just don't grok yet, and it's one giant galactic version of Vegas going on. If so, sign me up!

As an entree at the buffet table?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   10:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: TooConservative (#126)

I'm not a huge fan of the notion "don't explore, you might get hurt", to be honest. Be cautious, yes, but to stop the spirit of exploration, you might as well just nuke us and call us done as a species.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-28   10:12:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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