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#105. To: FormerLurker (#51)

Do you believe in Jesus?

Well, that in and of itself is extremely ignorant in light of historical facts and miraculous documentations...how you could be a sentient being in this world for more than a little bit and not acknowledge God's creation is fodder for you to be marginalized and in not so polite company to be mildly ridiculed imo.

You can't buy into Jesus being the Son of God / God Himself will be your personal dilemma when your shell cashes in...good luck with that.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-06-28   1:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: TooConservative (#20)

While it is not my intent to get off onto a UFO debate the sheer volume of case reports, witness reports etc., all point to an indefinite percentage of UFO reports to be aircraft of some kind.

All? Indefinite?

Make up your mind.

Lame. Yes, indefinite - it means some percentage unknown. It means nothing else other than the exact percentage is not known. I would say at least 5% are bonafide UFO observations. However, when you are dealing in a subject not fully explored you are always dealing in "indefinites" which are subject to change at any time with the introduction of new data. And since the government seems intent on keeping that data unknown any research is opposed and is funded personally by those doing the research.

And no one has ever doubted that some UFOs are unidentified aircraft. And it has been proven repeatedly that this is so. It doesn't help the argument you are trying to make at all.

You didn't really think I was going to let you get away with such a deceptive argument did you? UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - therefore calling an unknown an unidentified "aircraft" is an unsupported assertion. We do not know what they are whether "aircraft", spacecraft, or something else. We can look at the most reliable witness reports, and the objective information such as photographs and video, and hypothesize based on the evidence. Likely some indefinite percentage are black budget "above Top Secret" aircraft but we cannot assert that ALL are. As well some of the reports, such as radar, put the speed and maneuverability of some of these objects well in advance of any known terrestrial technology. Others are of such huge size as to dwarf a Football Stadium. One sighting, by a family member of mine, was of an object so large that it covered the entire extent of the sky, over the high mountain valley we lived in, from horizon to horizon. I know of no known government craft built to that scale nor is there in evidence a propulsion system that could move such an object in total silence. A few military people have begun to speak - taken at face value it confirms that some percentage of the UFO's are in fact of non-terrestrial origin, and are well in advance of any known terrestrial technology. While there is no doubt in my mind that the most advanced technology in the black budget programs is 20 to 40 years in advance of what is spoken of publicly too many of the reports evidence an apparent technology well in advance of that which is believed to be in those black budget programs.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-28   2:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Rotara (#102)

Thank you.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-28   2:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Original_Intent (#106)

You didn't really think I was going to let you get away with such a deceptive argument did you? UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - therefore calling an unknown an unidentified "aircraft" is an unsupported assertion. We do not know what they are whether "aircraft", spacecraft, or something else.

Or swamp gas or old weather balloons. Some UFO sightings have been proved to be nothing else. But not all.

Likely some indefinite percentage are black budget "above Top Secret" aircraft but we cannot assert that ALL are.

No doubt. I think the Air Force makes use of this to conceal tests and may instigate UFO reports so they can debunk them. It would be handy for them to have such a distracting body of work to draw upon, especially during any institutional crisis.

As well some of the reports, such as radar, put the speed and maneuverability of some of these objects well in advance of any known terrestrial technology. Others are of such huge size as to dwarf a Football Stadium. One sighting, by a family member of mine, was of an object so large that it covered the entire extent of the sky, over the high mountain valley we lived in, from horizon to horizon. I know of no known government craft built to that scale nor is there in evidence a propulsion system that could move such an object in total silence.

Maybe the gooberment has a projection technology to create such atmospheric effects. Or a resonance generator that induces hallucinations that follow a familiar cultural trajectory in those exposed to it.

While there is no doubt in my mind that the most advanced technology in the black budget programs is 20 to 40 years in advance of what is spoken of publicly too many of the reports evidence an apparent technology well in advance of that which is believed to be in those black budget programs.

Too many? How many of these reports becomes "too many"? What is the threshold? One hundred? Five thousand? You speak as though a certain threshold has been passed without defining what the threshold is or what the criteria is for judging the standard to have been met. You keep trying to jump from speculation to wudi's corner where you end up citing statistical improbabilities despite the fact we know very little about the universe or even our own galaxy. We have quite a lot of vanity considering how little we actually do know. And scientists have a professional and financial stake in elevating their claims to knowledge, no different than the old tribal witch doctors did.

If intelligent life does exist Out There, why in the world would they be interested in the human race?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   3:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Rotara (#91)

Question: Name 4 ameriKans that should be run through a wood chipper yesterday...

Only four? That is tough.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   3:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: RickyJ (#80)

Sound in principle? I guess Santa Clause is sound in principal too for some people. Unbelievable!

Don't bad-mouth Santa.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   3:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Rotara (#93)

If UFOs aren't real, then the global governors have done a fantastic job of manufacturing them...

What if those UFOs are real and they're full of Jews?

Next thing you know, they'll land in the District and demand dual-citizenship.

And as soon as our gooberment gives in and gives them dual-citizenship, then the Gay Niggers From Outer Space will show up.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   3:48:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: FormerLurker (#72)

ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY

Yahowshua? LOL.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   3:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: TooConservative, FormerLurker (#112)

The Essenes carried the message of Jesus. The Truth. The Word of God. Something to be taken seriously.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-28   4:10:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: TooConservative (#112)

Yahowshua?

Apparently you don't know the name of Jesus in Hebrew.

Are you even a Christian?

It's Yahshua or Yahshuah, not Yahowshua as you wrote it...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: RickyJ (#80)

Sound in principle? I guess Santa Clause is sound in principal too for some people. Unbelievable!

Have you ever read up on Einstein-Rosen Bridges? Check it out when you understand enough Calculus and Physics to grasp it.

I bet you think atoms are just pixie dust too, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: IRTorqued (#74)

when can we expect your documentation of your claimed fact of most of the New Testament being a forgery?

First off, do you have proof it is 100% factual? Maybe 50%? 10%?

Here's some info for you...

ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Eric Stratton (#116)

Ping to above post.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: RickyJ (#85)

Einstein? Really? Are you kidding me? You can't spot a plagiarizer blowing smoke up your ass to save your life, can you? Da Jews built that boy up, real scientists laugh at that clown.

You are one dumb shit Ricky. Are you too lazy to use Google?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Rotara (#105)

Well, that in and of itself is extremely ignorant in light of historical facts and miraculous documentations...how you could be a sentient being in this world for more than a little bit and not acknowledge God's creation is fodder for you to be marginalized and in not so polite company to be mildly ridiculed imo.

I believe there is a God, not some man-god that the leadership of Rome dreamed up after killing all of the REAL person's followers.

The TRUE God is beyond anything that any human being can understand, as God existed and exists beyond this Universe, and is not some guy who riled up the Romans 2000 years ago.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Rotara (#105)

The way I look at it Rotara, is that if all these people who scream and shout the name of Jesus were truly blessed and righteous, our world wouldn't be in the predictiment it's currently in.

For as long as history records events from the time of the birth of the Roman Catholic Church, it has proved to be nothing but a front for evil doers who claim to be following the word of their God.

If there WERE anything to it beyond fantastical stories made up by those who wished to corral and control the populace, there would have been divine intervention preventing the church leaders from perpetrating the sort of evil they committed in Jesus' name.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   5:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: FormerLurker (#117)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-28   8:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: FormerLurker (#114)

It's Yahshua or Yahshuah, not Yahowshua as you wrote it...

That's how the URL shows it.

The webpage seems to think that Christianity is about vegetarianism.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   8:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: TooConservative (#108)

If intelligent life does exist Out There, why in the world would they be interested in the human race?

Well, they probably wouldn't until very recently even know we exist. Prior to radio/television we were an invisible little planet, cosmically speaking. Now we give off enough radio power to look like a friggin' pulsar, and anybody with a telescope and radio measuring device would say "now why, oh why, is a small yellow sun giving off so many radio waves like that?". Were I an alien astronomer, that would fixate me on our system like white on rice. And probably the rest of my alien astronomy community as well.

Why people think the earth was visited prior to radio propagation is beyond me. Imagine the unbelievable effort required to explore another solar system (everything boils down to economics, if you take economics to mean a measurement of action in a society). If you were to invest so heavily in extra solar exploration, would you take random pot shots in a galaxy of hundreds of billions of stars, or would you go for the ones that looked like yellow sun pulsars? For my money, I'd go with the low hanging fruit first. Simply picking random suns and then "gosh, a planet with life" seems highly unlikely no matter how sophisticated the technology in question.

As to "why would they be interested in humans", that's easy. For the same reasons we'd be interested in them. It may well be a human conceit that superior technology breeds arrogance. But even that conceit is challenged these days, witness explorers using ginger touches and soft white gloves when dealing with isolated tribes they encounter now and again.

Please keep in mind that this is only my opinion. Who knows, ultimately, what would motivate an alien civilization?

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-28   9:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: SonOfLiberty (#123)

Please keep in mind that this is only my opinion. Who knows, ultimately, what would motivate an alien civilization?

Didn't Steven Hawking recently come out saying that we shouldn't be eager to contact another civilization since it might be malevolent?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   9:17:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: TooConservative (#124)

Hawking seems to be on the "anti-explore" bandwagon for some reason.

Chances are, knowing another civilization is out there doesn't mean that we can *get* to it, or they to us.

Imagine the year 800 AD. An Indian warrior toss notes in leather bottles into the ocean. Thousands of miles away, some guy named Aelfelbert in a place called Land Of The Angles finds the bottle, reads the note, has no real friggin' clue what it is or what it means but knows it's from another person far away, and he has no way to get over there to check. In a response he writes down a few words from Beowulf on a sheet of papyrus (tha was god cynnig!), wraps it up back into the leather bottle, and tosses it back into the ocean. Whether that bottle ever makes it back to Squanto in Massachusetts is a matter of pure slim chance.

To me, that's what interstellar awareness of, and communication with, other civilizations will probably end up looking like, given the distances and limitations imposed by the speed of light.

Just speculation of course. Maybe life is teeming out there, using communications we just don't grok yet, and it's one giant galactic version of Vegas going on. If so, sign me up!

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-28   9:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: SonOfLiberty (#125)

To me, that's what interstellar awareness of, and communication with, other civilizations will probably end up looking like, given the distances and limitations imposed by the speed of light.

We just don't know enough about what we don't know. What if those other lifeforms could hiberate and/or send generational ships. When they showed up here a hundred or a thousand years from now, they might not be too friendly.

Just speculation of course. Maybe life is teeming out there, using communications we just don't grok yet, and it's one giant galactic version of Vegas going on. If so, sign me up!

As an entree at the buffet table?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   10:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: TooConservative (#126)

I'm not a huge fan of the notion "don't explore, you might get hurt", to be honest. Be cautious, yes, but to stop the spirit of exploration, you might as well just nuke us and call us done as a species.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-28   10:12:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Eric Stratton (#121)

Generally speaking, what's your take on the Gospel message?

The words of men, written by men, specificially Paul of Tarsus, along with some help from Roman authors.

The true Jesus (YAHSHUA) was an Essene, and taught the opposite of what Paul of Tarsus wrote.

Read the link I posted if you wish to know more.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   11:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: TooConservative (#122)

That's how the URL shows it.

Wrong, the website uses the Hebrew name for Jesus, which is Yahshua, not Yahowshua as you irreverently stated.

As far as vegetarianism, that is the lifestyle the Nazarenes (Essenes) followed as they did not believe a creature should die in order for it to be used as food.

Jesus was an Essene.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   11:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: FormerLurker (#128)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-28   12:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: FormerLurker (#129)

Wrong, the website uses the Hebrew name for Jesus, which is Yahshua, not Yahowshua as you irreverently stated.

But the link is: http://www.essene.org/Yahowshua_or_Paul.htm

They can't even name the page consistent with the article.

And you have to be an ignoramus to think that any of this ancient Hebrew even had vowels in it. Yet, you see a lot of magic-namism in some circles where they keep inventing various spellings to somehow give the impression that they know the true secret pronunciation and spelling of these ancient biblical names. But we don't know that.

Jesus was an Essene.

Piffle. You can assemble no evidence for it that passes musters with any scholars. This is your own idiosyncratic view, probably based on reading obscure web pages.

Gee, let me guess, you're a vegetarian and think that you have a vegetarian god as well?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   12:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: SonOfLiberty (#127)

I'm not a huge fan of the notion "don't explore, you might get hurt", to be honest. Be cautious, yes, but to stop the spirit of exploration, you might as well just nuke us and call us done as a species.

As you said, it's probably too late. We've been blaring our existence since the Twenties. An invasion fleet may already be inbound. It might be preceded by unmanned craft designed to seed our planet with lifeforms to start an ecology more friendly to alien invaders.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   12:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Eric Stratton (#130)

As time permits, but allow me to ask the obvious, which "non-men" wrote all that?

It's simply an essay using historical facts.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   12:42:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: TooConservative (#131)

Let me guess, you believe your Pastor is the word of God, and that you have a firm grasp on events that happened 2000 years ago.

Yet you call ME a nut because I state the obvious in terms of UFOs.

Learn something other than what your TV evangelist pounds into you, Google the word Yahshua, and explore if you dare.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   12:45:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: TooConservative (#131)

And you have to be an ignoramus to think that any of this ancient Hebrew even had vowels in it.

Oh, so I suppose Jesus isn't a real name either, since it has vowels. It must be Jss then, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-06-28   12:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: TooConservative, FormerLurker, HOUNDDAWG, wudidiz, all (#108) (Edited)

If intelligent life does exist Out There, why in the world would they be interested in the human race?

Why was Margaret Meade interested in studying a remote primitive tribe on an isolated island?

Why doe any Anthropologist study other cultures and races?

Your question presumes something not in evidence and I don't have to posit the "Theory of Realtivity" to observe the existence of an unexplained phenomena. Unexplained is by definition unexplained - yet.

As for the rest of your post you are just throwing shit against the wall hoping some of it will stick.

I do not claim to have all the answers. My only assertions are:

A. There is an unexplained phenomena that has been observed by hundreds of thousands to millions of people. Many of the observers have no apparent pecuniary motivation and are of known sound mind and reputation.

B. The phenomena observed e.g., velocities measured in thousands of miles per hour, rapid changes in direction, lights, etc., are not explainable in terms of any known terrestrial technology. Attempts to explain it away are just that - avoidance and attempts to explain away information that might actually result in a view of the universe different than the one a person with an open mind begins with.

C. The Federal Government has, by all appearances, followed a program of cover-up, denial, and disregard of the phenomena which is contradicted by leaked documents and testimony of people in government service of an intense interest in the phenomena. This is evidenced by the multiple staged events to tell the sheeple "go back to sleep and continue grazing" e.g., (the most well known) the multiple cover stories and denials over an apparent crash site at Roswell, New Mexico.

D. As for the reports. Read them yourself. Many are available on line and the data is what the data is. It is not what people's preferred preconceptions or world view would prefer it to be. I already gave you a starting link and I will repeat it again for your edification and enlightenment: Sightings Website.

However, the old saw about "there is none so blind as he who will not see" would seem to apply. You have reached a conclusion, absent any data to support it, and are simply throwing up objections and diversions rather than examining the data. That's fine, it's an old tradition called "closed mindedness".

You are perfectly welcome to your point of view. I do not share it, and I would encourage all intelligent and curious people to examine the data rather than to dismiss without inspection. Although dismissing without looking does offer one great advantage - you are never at risk of learning anything which might upset your preconceptions.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-06-28   13:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: FormerLurker (#135)

It must be Jss then, eh?

Written without vowels, yep. The few mentions of Jesus, like the story about Him related to Nero, garble his name even more badly which isn't hard to understand.

I always assumed ancient Hebrew didn't have vowels because writing materials were so precious. You had to read the vowels in the context of being an ancient Jew who was already familiar with the stories and their context and history.

But we don't have an unbroken chain of speakers of ancient Hebrew to decipher it with. So I don't think we know the real pronunciations of a great many words. Same applies to Aramaic and some of the Greek dialects.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   13:12:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Original_Intent (#136)

A. There is an unexplained phenomena that has been observed by hundreds of thousands to millions of people. Many of the observers have no apparent pecuniary motivation and are of known sound mind and reputation.

So you would accept the miraculous claims of seeing Marian apparitions by Catholics? How about miraculous claims made by other religions (that always support their religion)?

I don't think you really practice this.

B. The phenomena observed e.g., velocities measured in thousands of miles per hour, rapid changes in direction, lights, etc., are not explainable in terms of any known terrestrial technology. Attempts to explain it away are just that - avoidance and attempts to explain away information that might actually result in a view of the universe different than the one a person with an open mind begins with.

There are lots of ways for radar to give false readings and ghosts. Even more if you have some prankster or disinformation group pranking you.

C. The Federal Government has, by all appearances, followed a program of cover-up, denial, and disregard of the phenomena which is contradicted by leaked documents and testimony of people in government service of an intense interest in the phenomena. This is evidenced by the multiple staged events to tell the sheeple "go back to sleep and continue grazing" e.g., (the most well known) the multiple cover stories and denials over an apparent crash site at Roswell, New Mexico.

Anyone can say this when others refuse to believe their favored accounts of events. Dime a dozen.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   13:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: FormerLurker (#135)

Oh, so I suppose Jesus isn't a real name either, since it has vowels. It must be Jss then, eh?

More on this. A little history is in order.

As you probably know, we have the name Jehovah from the YHVH of ancient Hebrew. And, BTW, they still can't prove whether it is YHVH or YHWH. You'd think that the name of the Father would be more of a settled matter but obviously there were ancient variants of the Unspeakable Name.

So you may ask why we say Jehovah instead of Yehovah or Yehowah. Well, when the translators were translating the Old Testament, they translated to the Old English equivalent of Y which was spelled J in German and Anglo-Saxon. So the two Y's became two J's. Then they filled in vowels but with no real convincing phonetic reasons based on firm knowledge of ancient pronunciations.

So YHVH (or YHWH) becomes Jehovah, the guy the whole bible was written about.

And you want to claim such certainties about pronunciation? You sure about that?

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   13:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: TooConservative (#132)

Or...not.

It's probably a bit silly to presume absolute benevolence or absolute evil. Life rarely works out that way. Even forest fires seed the next generation of trees in some forests.

And I suspect that this is nothing you, nor I, nor our great grandchildren will have to worry about regardless of the encounter(s) per se, if there are any.

For all we know, we might be the apex aggressive predator species in the galaxy and just haven't made it off this rock to discover it yet.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-06-28   13:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: SonOfLiberty (#140)

For all we know, we might be the apex aggressive predator species in the galaxy and just haven't made it off this rock to discover it yet.

True enough.

An alien species seems likely to be completely unlike us biologically. We have a certain biped bias in our imaginings of aliens because Hollyweird had all those bad sci-fi movies with people dressed up to look like aliens.

Alien life is likely far more alien than we can imagine.

A scenario like Independence Day is not unlikely. It's the kind of thing we would do if we were capable of it, at least judging by how we behaved during the European colonial era and during the present era of the American empire and its neocolonialism.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-06-28   13:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: FormerLurker, TooConserative (#129)

Yahowshua That's how the URL shows it.

lol

It does.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-28   13:59:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: TooConservative, Rotara, Original_Intent, randge, James_Deffenbach (#111)

If UFOs aren't real, then the global governors have done a fantastic job of manufacturing them...

What if those UFOs are real and they're full of Jews?

Next thing you know, they'll land in the District and demand dual-citizenship.

And as soon as our gooberment gives in and gives them dual-citizenship, then the Gay Niggers From Outer Space will show up.

Did you hear the one about the two aliens circling the Earth in a UFO?

One alien turns to the other and says, "This really IS a primitive planet. They haven't even exterminated their Jews yet!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-06-28   13:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: TooConservative, FormerLurker (#141)

An alien species seems likely to be completely unlike us biologically. We have a certain biped bias in our imaginings of aliens because Hollyweird had all those bad sci-fi movies with people dressed up to look like aliens.

Could be, but then it could also be that most if not all creatures elsewhere in the Universe take on a form similar to us or other animals on Earth due to the development based on rules or laws of fractal geometry. Maybe they're not bipeds necessarily but grow as one cell then divide and then those two cells divide and so on...

It should be very, very surprising if of all the solar systems in the Universe (maybe 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) we are the only one inhabited by life of any sort.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-06-28   14:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: FormerLurker (#133)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-06-28   14:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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