See other Miscellaneous Articles
Title: U.N. VEHICLES BY THE THOUSANDS STAGED IN FLORIDA
Source:
[None]
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jun 11, 2010
Author: autocollisionman
Post Date: 2010-06-27 08:11:32 by Itistoolate
Keywords: None
Views: 1959
Comments: 217
Poster Comment: just the right location for results of the "oil spill"
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 182.
#3. To: Itistoolate (#0)
Looking further, I find some of those dots apparently don't connect. For instance, Pegasus International is not connected to Pegasus Technologies. Two entirely different outfits. The airpark is owned by the county, not Pegasus. However, it is also said that that operation is a holding company. There is also a bunch of rumors that these are satellite-equipped vans for Directv. And also that it all ties in with the old GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) which was supposed to safeguard the president's ability to launch a nuclear attack if a EMP nuke was exploded over North America. I assume that the capability is still there but these sites are now also being used for multipositional GPS transmitters, the kind that uses a ground signal to make professional surveying GPS equipment accurate down to within a few inches.
Do you believe we are very close to martial law and a NWO? Or are you a 'disinformation specialist?
Or are you a 'disinformation specialist? You mean, one of Them? LOL. I'm afraid I'm not that sinister. I do get fascinated by wild hoaxes, usually perpetrated by internet hoaxters or by Alex Jones or George Noory or those types. A good recent example was the controversy over McChrystal's firing. I saw all the Right getting hot, thinking that this good patriotic conservative general had been railroaded by the evil Lefties at Rolling Stone. Then Armbinder at The Atlantic, a very well-connected guy, comes out and says "Now it can be revealed..." that McChrystal was an Obama voter, is a social liberal and a political liberal and banned Fox News from being seen at his command in Af-Pak, also that he was engaged in liberal social engineering of the Afghan population in his areas. So it wasn't some valiant conservative patriot general being railroaded. It was a Lefty general getting in trouble because a Lefty reporter wrote some stuff about their drinking spree which caused our Lefty president to fire the general. Once this was revealed, those on the Right lost all interest in McChrystal. What is interesting is how quickly they rallied around General Petraeus. You are probably familiar with how the mindset on the Right works: as soon as one tin god falls, you must immediately replace him with another one. Then all is well. LOL. It is interesting to track down all the different conflicting rumors on something like the Florida vans, see how they cross-pollinate each other (often as an obvious result of Google searching a topic). We see Sorcha Faal was finally exposed as a hoax. The one that keeps popping up that hasn't been fully investigated is Debkafile. I think they're a Mossad operation, meant to swirl rumors about Israel and the Mideast, to muddy the internet waters with disinfo and misdirection. Or to break "stories" at a key moment and distract people from other factual reporting on Israel and the Mideast. For instance, recently Debka ran a bunch of stuff on American ships and Israeli submarines preparing to attack Iran, hyping it as much as possible. That filtered around the internet, distracting from the boarding of the flotilla, the situation in Gaza, etc. I've noticed this same thing before, that Debka surfaces most strongly with its wildest stories just when the internet folk (supporters of Israel, especially among American evangelicals) need to be distracted from actual news about Israel or the Mideast. It's all a little too tidy, it seems to me. Of course, Debka might be just some amateur propagandizing. Or Debka might be connected with Mossad or with Israeli state department or Likud (probably) or Israeli arms manufacturers or whatever. Given the incredible variety and constant arguing on these topics by Jews in the States and Israel, who really knows just who Debka is connected to. Or if they're just attention whores. Even going by what they themselves say about their sources, it is obvious they can easily be manipulated by Israeli government sources and/or Likud.
CERBERUS — GUARDING THE GATES OF HELL?? « The Story Behind The Story Jun 4, 2010 ... “Pegasus International” owns and operates Pegasus Technologies – which is involved in a neat little NSA/CIA operation titled the ... atrueott.wordpress.com/20...arding-the-gates-of-hell/ CERBERUS — GUARDING THE GATES OF HELL?? Filed under: Uncategorized by atrueott — 30 Comments June 4, 2010 UPDATED INFORMATION ON GPS COORDINATES ON GOOGLE MAPS AND GOOGLE EARTH!! Also, since this article was posted, I have received documentation that the vans are the property of DirectTV, and are being outfitted with new GWEN TOWER and Satellite accessing technologies. Doesn’t that make you feel better?? (How can the CIA and NSA collect data for the new “Data Collection Center” in Utah — do you think they would use vans with government license plates and CIA/NSA Collections on the side – or would they use a cover corporation such as DirectTV??) Open Google Earth and enter these GPS coordinates: 29.972464, and 81.660923. The You-tube video www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y...A&feature=player_embedded is a bit spurious and misinforming to say the least. First, this is not an “Air Force Base” — it is a PRIVATELY OWNED FACILITY known as “Reynolds Airpark” a private Airport and “manufacturing facility”. A Mr. Ted McGowan is the manager – and their phone number is: 904-284-3505. Second, these are not “U.N. Vehicles”. These white vans belong to Pegasus International and Cerberus/DynCorp. Check it out: www.airport-data.com/airport/FL60/ and the latest (May 28, 2010) picture of the airport at: www.airport-data.com/airport/photo/017237.html.html Now, for the BAD NEWS — “Reynolds Airpark” is listed in the Clay County Fla. plat/tax rolls as being wholly owned by a company named Pegasus International. Ok, I thought, what exactly is “Pegasus International” and what exactly do they do?? Well – among other things, they just happen to be involved in the OIL DRILLING BUSINESS – with ties to Halliburton and BRITISH PETROLEUM!!! What the hell??? See their website at: www.pegasus-international.com/site.php Then, of all things, they just happen to have an office in Salt Lake City, Utah. Here is where the plot thickens. Their SLC office also houses Dick Cheney’s Halliburton, and is next to the Minerals Management Service (MMS) offices. Worse, their U.K. office “address” is next door to (or possibly even a part of) British Petroleum as well. What is going on?? They also have “offices” in Turkmenistan, Nigeria, and Azerbijan – hotbeds of political intrigue and profiteering for BP. See www.universalpegasus.com/locations.php But — it gets worse, if possible. “Pegasus International” owns and operates Pegasus Technologies – which is involved in a neat little NSA/CIA operation titled the “Information Sharing Council” or ISC. Their “unclassified” 2006 report can be seen at www.ise.gov/docs/eds/edspo-conops.pdf. A careful reading of this document shows that part of the “Pegasus Program” is the deployment of thousands of vehicles across America, outfitted with domestic spying “Maximum Information Technology” (MaxIT) systems. MaxIT is a joint venture of the following companies: Appriss Inc., Bio-Key International, Inc., Business Communications Inc., Circadence Corporation, Cquay Technologies, Dell, eLabs Inc., MS e-Center and Sun Microsystems. (See 12/12/03 report on www.eetimes.com/press_rel...cleID=117687&CompanyId=1) When I studied DynCorp International, I found that DynCorp and Pegasus International are basically joined at the hips with many international “joint projects”. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that DynCorp, and Pegasus are CIA FRONT COMPANIES involved in the deepest black ops. (See NanoTech expose in “Dr. Ott’s Papers” on this website.) Also, check this out. Dyncorp Int. was “purchased” back on April 12 by Cerberus Capital, and the “deal” was brokered by, you guessed it, Goldman Sachs who SHORTED TRANSOCEAN STOCKS on April 17, three days before the Gulf Oil debacle began. See finance.yahoo.com/news/Dy...-3625293200.html?x=0&.v=1 WHAT IN THE GATES OF HELL IS GOING ON????? Here we have VISUAL PROOF of hundreds of vehicles undergoing modifications by Pegasus International teams at their Reynolds AirPark facility, all indications of MaxIT information is that the process involved is basically making the vehicles ultra-modern “spy-mobiles” (the on-line google-earth picture was dated Jan. 2008, while the most current picture of May 28, 2010 -shows the spy-vans still on property.) We also now know that Dyncorp is now Cerberus, and they are tied to Pegasus International. So, what’s in a name? Consider that Pegasus and Cerberus are both central figures of Greek (and Roman) mythology. Pegasus is the preferred mode of transportation for the pantheon of gods, while Cerberus — well — this is the mythical guardian of the gates of hell! What would possess anybody to name their corporation Cerberus??? This world is in deep trouble, it would appear.
Those evacuations are for a possible hurricane, not the oil spill. They want to make sure that oil recovery workers and operations don't impede a coastal evacuation if a big hurricane like Andrew hits FL again. They do these preparations every year. It's a big nothing. They're just updating their plans to make some allowances for a hurricane coming during a big oil spill. It isn't sinister.
OWNING THE WEATHER AND OUR MINDS IN 2008? January 27, 2008 In 1997, Former Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen (above left) said the technology to alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves is real! This statement would immediately make a person think about the 2004 Sumatra earthquake, tsunami and hurricane Katrina. http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674 In 2001, Congressman Kucinich (above) introduced a bill talking about through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such populations. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.2977.IH: US AIR FORCE: Weather as a Force Multiplier. Owning the Weather in 2025 http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf
Was that before or after his encounter with the UFO? Kucinich isn't very credible.
Kucinich isn't very credible. Ah, the giggle factor. A conditioned response by years of psychological conditioning in the media and by government. Then follow with a logical fallacy i.e. "guilt by association". So we get the presentation that: Implied Premise: UFOs do not exist. And then the logical fallacy based upon the background of the implied premise. Anyone who has seen a UFO is a kook. All founded upon a false and fallacious chain of reasoning, founded upon a psychologically planted "giggle factor" to encourage people not to look, not to think, and to accept an opinion based not upon evidence, but upon sheer repetition, by an "authority", of an unsupported assertion. While it is not my intent to get off onto a UFO debate the sheer volume of case reports, witness reports etc., all point to an indefinite percentage of UFO reports to be aircraft of some kind. By definition they are unidentified. Further, one can examine the other available reports and reasonably conclude that not all are of terrestrial origin. There too many reports from too many credible witnesses to conclude otherwise. I am not going to bother to go through the evidenciary chain, but the data is there, and mostly in the public domain. One site filled with good reportage is www.sightings.com
I agree, it is a script, commonly used against people like Ron Paul, to "innoculate" the public against Bad Bad Thoughts. But sometimes a nut really is a nut. Like Kucinich. He also swore he wouldn't vote for ObummerCare. But he did after one little plane ride on Air Force One. And, unlike Paul, he has ranted and said stupid things for decades. All? Indefinite? Make up your mind. And no one has ever doubted that some UFOs are unidentified aircraft. And it has been proven repeatedly that this is so. It doesn't help the argument you are trying to make at all.
All? Indefinite? Make up your mind. Lame. Yes, indefinite - it means some percentage unknown. It means nothing else other than the exact percentage is not known. I would say at least 5% are bonafide UFO observations. However, when you are dealing in a subject not fully explored you are always dealing in "indefinites" which are subject to change at any time with the introduction of new data. And since the government seems intent on keeping that data unknown any research is opposed and is funded personally by those doing the research. You didn't really think I was going to let you get away with such a deceptive argument did you? UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - therefore calling an unknown an unidentified "aircraft" is an unsupported assertion. We do not know what they are whether "aircraft", spacecraft, or something else. We can look at the most reliable witness reports, and the objective information such as photographs and video, and hypothesize based on the evidence. Likely some indefinite percentage are black budget "above Top Secret" aircraft but we cannot assert that ALL are. As well some of the reports, such as radar, put the speed and maneuverability of some of these objects well in advance of any known terrestrial technology. Others are of such huge size as to dwarf a Football Stadium. One sighting, by a family member of mine, was of an object so large that it covered the entire extent of the sky, over the high mountain valley we lived in, from horizon to horizon. I know of no known government craft built to that scale nor is there in evidence a propulsion system that could move such an object in total silence. A few military people have begun to speak - taken at face value it confirms that some percentage of the UFO's are in fact of non-terrestrial origin, and are well in advance of any known terrestrial technology. While there is no doubt in my mind that the most advanced technology in the black budget programs is 20 to 40 years in advance of what is spoken of publicly too many of the reports evidence an apparent technology well in advance of that which is believed to be in those black budget programs.
Or swamp gas or old weather balloons. Some UFO sightings have been proved to be nothing else. But not all. No doubt. I think the Air Force makes use of this to conceal tests and may instigate UFO reports so they can debunk them. It would be handy for them to have such a distracting body of work to draw upon, especially during any institutional crisis. Maybe the gooberment has a projection technology to create such atmospheric effects. Or a resonance generator that induces hallucinations that follow a familiar cultural trajectory in those exposed to it. Too many? How many of these reports becomes "too many"? What is the threshold? One hundred? Five thousand? You speak as though a certain threshold has been passed without defining what the threshold is or what the criteria is for judging the standard to have been met. You keep trying to jump from speculation to wudi's corner where you end up citing statistical improbabilities despite the fact we know very little about the universe or even our own galaxy. We have quite a lot of vanity considering how little we actually do know. And scientists have a professional and financial stake in elevating their claims to knowledge, no different than the old tribal witch doctors did. If intelligent life does exist Out There, why in the world would they be interested in the human race?
Why was Margaret Meade interested in studying a remote primitive tribe on an isolated island? Why doe any Anthropologist study other cultures and races? Your question presumes something not in evidence and I don't have to posit the "Theory of Realtivity" to observe the existence of an unexplained phenomena. Unexplained is by definition unexplained - yet. As for the rest of your post you are just throwing shit against the wall hoping some of it will stick. I do not claim to have all the answers. My only assertions are: A. There is an unexplained phenomena that has been observed by hundreds of thousands to millions of people. Many of the observers have no apparent pecuniary motivation and are of known sound mind and reputation. B. The phenomena observed e.g., velocities measured in thousands of miles per hour, rapid changes in direction, lights, etc., are not explainable in terms of any known terrestrial technology. Attempts to explain it away are just that - avoidance and attempts to explain away information that might actually result in a view of the universe different than the one a person with an open mind begins with. C. The Federal Government has, by all appearances, followed a program of cover-up, denial, and disregard of the phenomena which is contradicted by leaked documents and testimony of people in government service of an intense interest in the phenomena. This is evidenced by the multiple staged events to tell the sheeple "go back to sleep and continue grazing" e.g., (the most well known) the multiple cover stories and denials over an apparent crash site at Roswell, New Mexico. D. As for the reports. Read them yourself. Many are available on line and the data is what the data is. It is not what people's preferred preconceptions or world view would prefer it to be. I already gave you a starting link and I will repeat it again for your edification and enlightenment: Sightings Website. However, the old saw about "there is none so blind as he who will not see" would seem to apply. You have reached a conclusion, absent any data to support it, and are simply throwing up objections and diversions rather than examining the data. That's fine, it's an old tradition called "closed mindedness". You are perfectly welcome to your point of view. I do not share it, and I would encourage all intelligent and curious people to examine the data rather than to dismiss without inspection. Although dismissing without looking does offer one great advantage - you are never at risk of learning anything which might upset your preconceptions.
So you would accept the miraculous claims of seeing Marian apparitions by Catholics? How about miraculous claims made by other religions (that always support their religion)? I don't think you really practice this. There are lots of ways for radar to give false readings and ghosts. Even more if you have some prankster or disinformation group pranking you. Anyone can say this when others refuse to believe their favored accounts of events. Dime a dozen.
So you would accept the miraculous claims of seeing Marian apparitions by Catholics? How about miraculous claims made by other religions (that always support their religion)? I don't think you really practice this. B. The phenomena observed e.g., velocities measured in thousands of miles per hour, rapid changes in direction, lights, etc., are not explainable in terms of any known terrestrial technology. Attempts to explain it away are just that - avoidance and attempts to explain away information that might actually result in a view of the universe different than the one a person with an open mind begins with. There are lots of ways for radar to give false readings and ghosts. Even more if you have some prankster or disinformation group pranking you. C. The Federal Government has, by all appearances, followed a program of cover-up, denial, and disregard of the phenomena which is contradicted by leaked documents and testimony of people in government service of an intense interest in the phenomena. This is evidenced by the multiple staged events to tell the sheeple "go back to sleep and continue grazing" e.g., (the most well known) the multiple cover stories and denials over an apparent crash site at Roswell, New Mexico. Anyone can say this when others refuse to believe their favored accounts of events. Dime a dozen. As usual your logic is faulty. For a comparison to be valid it must compare like to like. I did not bring up religious visions but an observed, seen by more than one person at a time in many instances, phenomena which can be photographed. Again you are simply evading the issue and attempting to divert by raising elements not appropriate or related to the discussion. The following is simply more of the same illogic and an avoidance of any actual substance. Name them - the false ways of course. Then demonstrate factually that is what has occurred in every report by a qualified operator. An operator who is a professional and aware of the phenomena of electronic artifacts and knows what it looks like. You are clutching at straws and simply avoiding issues. Rather than looking at the data and making a determination on the data you parrot the disinformation lines simply trying to cast doubt all the while cackling like Mark Twain's hen that laid an asteroid. And again a diversion not addressing any issue or proving a point - simply an attempt to blunt a point which you cannot refute. My Comment: Your reply: Which refutes nothing and logically boils down to "Nyah, nyah; nyah, nyah". Very insigtful. NOT! It should be apparent to anyone reading this thread that your mind is made up and you do not wish to be confused with facts. That's fine. You are welcome to believe or disbelieve anything you wish. However, your "beliefs" are not founded in fact, and your entire argument simply amounts to denying that there are any facts. Basically it is simply a variation on rule #9 in the rules of disinformation: 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. Source: Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
It should be apparent to anyone reading this thread that your mind is made up and you do not wish to be confused with facts. Ah, so what have we learned on this thread then? BTW, were you ever going to offer any opinion on the supposed U.N. vans in the Florida air park? Or are you just here to hijack the thread? Hey, maybe those vans belong to E.T., how about that?
It should be apparent to anyone reading this thread that your mind is made up and you do not wish to be confused with facts. Ah, so what have we learned on this thread then? * UFOs have visited Shirley MacLaine, Dennis Kucinich and possibly you as well. * Your family member has seen a UFO big enough to cover a mountain valley from horizon to horizon. * Government radar systems are incapble of error or being spoofed (despite the common knowledge that radar is easy to spoof and that weather routinely causes all kinds of false radar readings during inversions and other weather situations). * You feel persecuted by diabolical forces if anyone doubts your pet theories for which you can muster no evidence whatsoever. And you still think we should look for intelligent life on other planets? LOL. Maybe you should try to find some here on Earth first. BTW, were you ever going to offer any opinion on the supposed U.N. vans in the Florida air park? Or are you just here to hijack the thread? Hey, maybe those vans belong to E.T., how about that? Yawn. Back to disinfo mode I see. Logical Fallacies Violated: Guilt by Association: I don't recall mentioning Shirley McClaine, and whether she claims to have seen one or not refutes what part of the evidenciary record? Did I make that assertion? No. Fallacies Violated: Argumentum Ad Hominem Of course as a skilled disinformationist you avoided stating a position of your own and engaged logical fallacies to camouflage the omission. So, you intentionally try to create the impression, falsely, that all anomalous Radar tracks, by skilled operators, are in error - without of course bothering to present any proof of that assertion. Scary stuff this Radar, why every day we have thousands of lives at risk of the unreliable displays of this quirky device. Gosh I'll bet there were at least a hundred mid-air collisions today. Right? We need to tell Air Traffic Controllers nationwide to immediately cease relying upon this quirky and unreliable contraption. As both a Radar Operator and Sonar Operator I can tell you that it is part of the training to be able to recognize spurious blips and electronic artifacts. Yawn. Now you presume to tell me what I think. And it is not MY pet theory, it is a position shared by a great many people. In fact I do believe everyone on this thread except you. Do you feel persecuted for holding a position which you have supported with nothing more substantial than logical fallacies and disinformation tactics? One which is itself regarded as contrary to what the body of evidence supports? And I am not your research librarian. I long ago gave up posting proofs for scoffers and shills. If you want to examine the available mountains of evidence honestly well I have twice given you a link to a good website to use as a starting point. Just to show what a magnanimous and big hearted kind of guy I am here it is again: Sightings.com. And as I have told you at least twice before on this thread you are welcome to believe whatever you wish. You can ignore and avoid the data to your heart's content, and I frankly don't give a damn. Just don't continue to pee on my foot and then try and convince me it's raining. Another disinfo tactic/logical fallacy: Two items, unsupported, which are disrelated and as such prove nothing. Nothing that is other than you appear incapable of constructing a rational argument that does not rely on personal attacks. Why is that? Why is it that you continue to use the tactics of a disinformation specialist? Is that your specialty? Disinformation that is? ROFLMFAO! I think it was about 60 or 70 posts ago I graciously conceded that you are welcome to believe whatever you wish, just as I am quite capable of holding my own views, based upon the mountains of evidence you refuse to look at or acknowledge, and feel no compulsion whatsoever to share your viewpoint, whatever it may be given the confused mishmash of your arguments. Do have a nice day.
Radar and sonar. My, my. And what job did you have that provided professional training in both? BTW, among these UFO accounts are reports of planes chasing down spurious radar blips which proved to be the images of a ship on the water which were reflected due to a double-inversion. Since you like these eyewitness accounts so much (unless they conflict with one of your pet theories). Ah, very generous of you. I see. Lack of mere evidence doesn't rattle your certainties at all.
I feel, and am not under, no compulsion to waste my time looking up and posting data which you would promptly ignore. If you wish to relieve yourself of your ignorance then fine. If not then fine. I am quite ambivalent upon the matter. I gave you the link. What you do with it is your prerogative. I am not going to waste time doing your homework for you as your personal belief is a matter of some indifference to me.
Right. So "ambivalent" you had to hijack an entire thread because I made a one-liner crack and a little photo of nutjob two-face Comrade Kucinich. But, yeah, I can see how "ambivalent" you are. It's so obvious really.
Thousands of UN Vehicles and Tons of Equipment Masking At Florida Airbase? UPDATE
And now that they're gone, no one can prove whether they were U.N. or just surplus vehicles that Kia couldn't get sold in a slow economy. Did Gortz (or his mysterious friend Klaatu) ever consider asking the management who owned them, why they were there. No, that would be too obvious, wouldn't it? That is exactly what They (a.k.a. THEM) would want you to do. But we can fight back, can't we, by posting a few more hysterical webpages with no evidence of anything on them, just a bunch of wild accusations. I guess it's an update, sort of. Hey, maybe the U.N. vans went to where they keep the Black Helicopters. Maybe Gortz could go check into that. Still, thanks for the update. It is more info than we had when the thread started. I first heard about these vans over six months ago. Maybe we will yet find out who owns them and where they went. I'd just like to know, having seen a number of these U.N.-killer-van threads.
#185. To: TooConservative (#182)
No links...just a recounting of what I read. Several parts of I-20 in Alabama with those exit ramp barricades were in effect... Traffic back ups for miles.. And at every barricade their were some of those unmarked white vans... These may not be the same vans... Then again I do not think it is a coincidence. People in florida are starting to get sick. Some have had lung failure. MSM has not reported on it but then again they are not reporting on the sick either. And with Hurricane Alex pushing the storm surge in everywhere.... Those folks that have not left yet may be moved in those white Vans.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
#4. To: TooConservative (#3)
#5. To: Itistoolate (#4)
(Edited)
Do you believe we are very close to martial law and a NWO?
#6. To: TooConservative (#5)
#7. To: Itistoolate, all (#6)
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
BP, the Coast Guard and the state of Lousiana have already been talking about how to coordinate evacuations so workers and equipment involved in the oil spill response don't clog highway escape routes.
#14. To: TooConservative (#9)
Those evacuations are for a possible hurricane, not the oil spill. They want to make sure that oil recovery workers and operations don't impede a coastal evacuation if a big hurricane like Andrew hits FL again.
#15. To: Itistoolate (#14)
In 2001, Congressman Kucinich
#16. To: TooConservative, Itistoolate, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#15)
Was that before or after his encounter with the UFO?
Kucinich has seen a UFO
Therefore Kucinich is a kook.
Corrolary: Using the fallacy of Guilt by Association, anything which Kucinich says is not credible.
#20. To: Original_Intent (#16)
Anyone who has seen a UFO is a kook. Kucinich has seen a UFO Therefore Kucinich is a kook. Corrolary: Using the fallacy of Guilt by Association, anything which Kucinich says is not credible.
While it is not my intent to get off onto a UFO debate the sheer volume of case reports, witness reports etc., all point to an indefinite percentage of UFO reports to be aircraft of some kind.
#106. To: TooConservative (#20)
While it is not my intent to get off onto a UFO debate the sheer volume of case reports, witness reports etc., all point to an indefinite percentage of UFO reports to be aircraft of some kind.
And no one has ever doubted that some UFOs are unidentified aircraft. And it has been proven repeatedly that this is so. It doesn't help the argument you are trying to make at all.
#108. To: Original_Intent (#106)
You didn't really think I was going to let you get away with such a deceptive argument did you? UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - therefore calling an unknown an unidentified "aircraft" is an unsupported assertion. We do not know what they are whether "aircraft", spacecraft, or something else.
Likely some indefinite percentage are black budget "above Top Secret" aircraft but we cannot assert that ALL are.
As well some of the reports, such as radar, put the speed and maneuverability of some of these objects well in advance of any known terrestrial technology. Others are of such huge size as to dwarf a Football Stadium. One sighting, by a family member of mine, was of an object so large that it covered the entire extent of the sky, over the high mountain valley we lived in, from horizon to horizon. I know of no known government craft built to that scale nor is there in evidence a propulsion system that could move such an object in total silence.
While there is no doubt in my mind that the most advanced technology in the black budget programs is 20 to 40 years in advance of what is spoken of publicly too many of the reports evidence an apparent technology well in advance of that which is believed to be in those black budget programs.
#136. To: TooConservative, FormerLurker, HOUNDDAWG, wudidiz, all (#108)
(Edited)
If intelligent life does exist Out There, why in the world would they be interested in the human race?
#138. To: Original_Intent (#136)
A. There is an unexplained phenomena that has been observed by hundreds of thousands to millions of people. Many of the observers have no apparent pecuniary motivation and are of known sound mind and reputation.
B. The phenomena observed e.g., velocities measured in thousands of miles per hour, rapid changes in direction, lights, etc., are not explainable in terms of any known terrestrial technology. Attempts to explain it away are just that - avoidance and attempts to explain away information that might actually result in a view of the universe different than the one a person with an open mind begins with.
C. The Federal Government has, by all appearances, followed a program of cover-up, denial, and disregard of the phenomena which is contradicted by leaked documents and testimony of people in government service of an intense interest in the phenomena. This is evidenced by the multiple staged events to tell the sheeple "go back to sleep and continue grazing" e.g., (the most well known) the multiple cover stories and denials over an apparent crash site at Roswell, New Mexico.
#156. To: TooConservative (#138)
(Edited)
A. There is an unexplained phenomena that has been observed by hundreds of thousands to millions of people. Many of the observers have no apparent pecuniary motivation and are of known sound mind and reputation.
There are lots of ways for radar to give false readings and ghosts. Even more if you have some prankster or disinformation group pranking you.
"Noise proves nothing. Often a hen who has merely laid an egg cackles as if she laid an asteroid." ~ Mark Twain
C. The Federal Government has, by all appearances, followed a program of cover-up, denial, and disregard of the phenomena which is contradicted by leaked documents and testimony of people in government service of an intense interest in the phenomena. This is evidenced by the multiple staged events to tell the sheeple "go back to sleep and continue grazing" e.g., (the most well known) the multiple cover stories and denials over an apparent crash site at Roswell, New Mexico.
Anyone can say this when others refuse to believe their favored accounts of events. Dime a dozen.
#167. To: Original_Intent (#156)
Very insigtful. NOT!
And you still think we should look for intelligent life on other planets? LOL. Maybe you should try to find some here on Earth first.
#171. To: TooConservative, all (#167)
Very insigtful. NOT!
Government radar systems are incapble of error or being spoofed (despite the common knowledge that radar is easy to spoof and that weather routinely causes all kinds of false radar readings during inversions and other weather situations).
Weak Analogy
Red Herring You feel persecuted by diabolical forces if anyone doubts your pet theories for which you can muster no evidence whatsoever.
And you still think we should look for intelligent life on other planets? LOL. Maybe you should try to find some here on Earth first.
BTW, were you ever going to offer any opinion on the supposed U.N. vans in the Florida air park? Or are you just here to hijack the thread? Hey, maybe those vans belong to E.T., how about that?
#173. To: Original_Intent (#171)
(Edited)
As both a Radar Operator and Sonar Operator I can tell you that it is part of the training to be able to recognize spurious blips and electronic artifacts.
ROFLMFAO! I think it was about 60 or 70 posts ago I graciously conceded that you are welcome to believe whatever you wish,...
just as I am quite capable of holding my own views, based upon the mountains of evidence you refuse to look at or acknowledge, and feel no compulsion whatsoever to share your viewpoint, whatever it may be given the confused mishmash of your arguments.
#176. To: TooConservative (#173)
I see. Lack of mere evidence doesn't rattle your certainties at all.
#178. To: Original_Intent (#176)
If you wish to relieve yourself of your ignorance then fine. If not then fine. I am quite ambivalent upon the matter.
#179. To: TooConservative (#178)
#182. To: Itistoolate (#179)
(Edited)
Thousands of UN Vehicles and Tons of Equipment Masking At Florida Airbase? UPDATE
Update: As of now there is confirmation that there are currently NO vehicles present at this moment. It appears the vehicles have been moved between Feb. and now. Thanks to a dedicated Intel Soldier known as Gortz, we have solved this one. We will keep you posted if anything changes. For the people that believe that Kia Motors stored that many vehicles of the same model in a private airport, wow…
Replies to Comment # 182. And now that they're gone, no one can prove whether they were U.N. or just surplus vehicles that Kia couldn't get sold in a slow economy.
End Trace Mode for Comment # 182.