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Published: Jun 11, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-06-27 08:11:32 by Itistoolate
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#165. To: TooConservative, ALL (#163)
a video about the 'disclosure project' you can find here: freepressinternational.com/ about 3/4 of the way down
Intelligence is a relative and fundamental concept. It could be defined for members of the nekton group as "having evolved enough to solve the problem of staying off the ocean floor". No offense but you seem to be trying to derail the chat with a pointless non-sequitur.
It should be apparent to anyone reading this thread that your mind is made up and you do not wish to be confused with facts. Ah, so what have we learned on this thread then? BTW, were you ever going to offer any opinion on the supposed U.N. vans in the Florida air park? Or are you just here to hijack the thread? Hey, maybe those vans belong to E.T., how about that?
"On Wednesday, May 9th, 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without any doubt the reality of these phenomena." _________________________ Well, our severe and unsympathetic critics (like Turtle) weren't there, and like an ostrich with its head in the sand (or in Turtle's case buried elsewhere) the looming threat in the form of a predator (or to someone's primitive superstitions/religious beliefs) simply doesn't exist if it isn't seen.
There is no evidence for this myth. Kind of like the story about Washington and the cherry tree.
To any race capable of star-travel, we would be animals. Not cute or cuddly ones either.
It should be apparent to anyone reading this thread that your mind is made up and you do not wish to be confused with facts. Ah, so what have we learned on this thread then? * UFOs have visited Shirley MacLaine, Dennis Kucinich and possibly you as well. * Your family member has seen a UFO big enough to cover a mountain valley from horizon to horizon. * Government radar systems are incapble of error or being spoofed (despite the common knowledge that radar is easy to spoof and that weather routinely causes all kinds of false radar readings during inversions and other weather situations). * You feel persecuted by diabolical forces if anyone doubts your pet theories for which you can muster no evidence whatsoever. And you still think we should look for intelligent life on other planets? LOL. Maybe you should try to find some here on Earth first. BTW, were you ever going to offer any opinion on the supposed U.N. vans in the Florida air park? Or are you just here to hijack the thread? Hey, maybe those vans belong to E.T., how about that? Yawn. Back to disinfo mode I see. Logical Fallacies Violated: Guilt by Association: I don't recall mentioning Shirley McClaine, and whether she claims to have seen one or not refutes what part of the evidenciary record? Did I make that assertion? No. Fallacies Violated: Argumentum Ad Hominem Of course as a skilled disinformationist you avoided stating a position of your own and engaged logical fallacies to camouflage the omission. So, you intentionally try to create the impression, falsely, that all anomalous Radar tracks, by skilled operators, are in error - without of course bothering to present any proof of that assertion. Scary stuff this Radar, why every day we have thousands of lives at risk of the unreliable displays of this quirky device. Gosh I'll bet there were at least a hundred mid-air collisions today. Right? We need to tell Air Traffic Controllers nationwide to immediately cease relying upon this quirky and unreliable contraption. As both a Radar Operator and Sonar Operator I can tell you that it is part of the training to be able to recognize spurious blips and electronic artifacts. Yawn. Now you presume to tell me what I think. And it is not MY pet theory, it is a position shared by a great many people. In fact I do believe everyone on this thread except you. Do you feel persecuted for holding a position which you have supported with nothing more substantial than logical fallacies and disinformation tactics? One which is itself regarded as contrary to what the body of evidence supports? And I am not your research librarian. I long ago gave up posting proofs for scoffers and shills. If you want to examine the available mountains of evidence honestly well I have twice given you a link to a good website to use as a starting point. Just to show what a magnanimous and big hearted kind of guy I am here it is again: Sightings.com. And as I have told you at least twice before on this thread you are welcome to believe whatever you wish. You can ignore and avoid the data to your heart's content, and I frankly don't give a damn. Just don't continue to pee on my foot and then try and convince me it's raining. Another disinfo tactic/logical fallacy: Two items, unsupported, which are disrelated and as such prove nothing. Nothing that is other than you appear incapable of constructing a rational argument that does not rely on personal attacks. Why is that? Why is it that you continue to use the tactics of a disinformation specialist? Is that your specialty? Disinformation that is? ROFLMFAO! I think it was about 60 or 70 posts ago I graciously conceded that you are welcome to believe whatever you wish, just as I am quite capable of holding my own views, based upon the mountains of evidence you refuse to look at or acknowledge, and feel no compulsion whatsoever to share your viewpoint, whatever it may be given the confused mishmash of your arguments. Do have a nice day.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
To any race capable of star-travel, we would be animals. Not cute or cuddly ones either. And your proof of that assertion is?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Radar and sonar. My, my. And what job did you have that provided professional training in both? BTW, among these UFO accounts are reports of planes chasing down spurious radar blips which proved to be the images of a ship on the water which were reflected due to a double-inversion. Since you like these eyewitness accounts so much (unless they conflict with one of your pet theories). Ah, very generous of you. I see. Lack of mere evidence doesn't rattle your certainties at all.
It had built up over a couple other threads with varied exchanges. That was supposed to be his magnum opus which would totally refute my position. Do you think I was too harsh on him. ;-) So it is reputed. They put him under house arrest for the rest of his life as well.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Not at all. I demonstrated adequately that your beliefs are faith-based and that you can produce no evidence whatsoever. I am well satisfied with it.
I feel, and am not under, no compulsion to waste my time looking up and posting data which you would promptly ignore. If you wish to relieve yourself of your ignorance then fine. If not then fine. I am quite ambivalent upon the matter. I gave you the link. What you do with it is your prerogative. I am not going to waste time doing your homework for you as your personal belief is a matter of some indifference to me.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Not at all. I demonstrated adequately that your beliefs are faith-based and that you can produce no evidence whatsoever. We weren't talking about my comments to you - it was regarding an earlier debate with someone else - unless you used to post as "Alan Chapman". You need to learn to read more carefully before inserting your foot.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Right. So "ambivalent" you had to hijack an entire thread because I made a one-liner crack and a little photo of nutjob two-face Comrade Kucinich. But, yeah, I can see how "ambivalent" you are. It's so obvious really.
Thousands of UN Vehicles and Tons of Equipment Masking At Florida Airbase? UPDATE
I thought you were referring to me since you had directed so many posts my way.
Right. So "ambivalent" you had to hijack an entire thread because I made a one-liner crack and a little photo of nutjob two-face Comrade Kucinich. But, yeah, I can see how "ambivalent" you are. It's so obvious really. I am not ambivalent to the use of false logic and disinformation tactics, which is what you were doing in that post (#15 on this thread). I objected then, and now, to the false assertion that an objective view of the UFO phenomena, or having sighted one, perforce makes one a kook, and your argument to that affect was dishonest and logically fallacious.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
And now that they're gone, no one can prove whether they were U.N. or just surplus vehicles that Kia couldn't get sold in a slow economy. Did Gortz (or his mysterious friend Klaatu) ever consider asking the management who owned them, why they were there. No, that would be too obvious, wouldn't it? That is exactly what They (a.k.a. THEM) would want you to do. But we can fight back, can't we, by posting a few more hysterical webpages with no evidence of anything on them, just a bunch of wild accusations. I guess it's an update, sort of. Hey, maybe the U.N. vans went to where they keep the Black Helicopters. Maybe Gortz could go check into that. Still, thanks for the update. It is more info than we had when the thread started. I first heard about these vans over six months ago. Maybe we will yet find out who owns them and where they went. I'd just like to know, having seen a number of these U.N.-killer-van threads.
I can't tell whether I'm an ignoramus resisting the golden light of your truth (although you are indifferent to such petty matters) or if I am a "disinformation specialist" who you are battling with all your might. I don't think I can be both, at least not credibly.
I didn't ask for a rerun of a link I want to see your documentation of the claim you made.
No links...just a recounting of what I read. Several parts of I-20 in Alabama with those exit ramp barricades were in effect... Traffic back ups for miles.. And at every barricade their were some of those unmarked white vans... These may not be the same vans... Then again I do not think it is a coincidence. People in florida are starting to get sick. Some have had lung failure. MSM has not reported on it but then again they are not reporting on the sick either. And with Hurricane Alex pushing the storm surge in everywhere.... Those folks that have not left yet may be moved in those white Vans.
LOL! Yeah, it would be great to find some intelligent life here on Earth. But so far all I see is dumb and dumber. Sure there are spirits, angels and demons, maybe that is what these people are seeing and not realizing it since they are convinced in their heart that there is no God or no devil. I don't say their mind, because no one is that dumb to not know we were created, they just reject it with all their heart.
God is always good!
(HD)As with all ugly minorities they're after our beautiful white wimmen. What else? (Moi)Genesis 6:1-2 TooConservative asked wtf the aliens would want to do with us. You said they're after our white wimmen. I quoted a verse from the Old Testament saying Exactly that. Genesis 6:1-2 6-1 When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 6-2 the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. This verse imo refers to aliens mating with humans. (Male aliens mating with female humans.)(or aliens injecting female humans with their DNA) So we are alien hybrids. Which would explain why we are so very different from every single one of all the species on the planet. It is a theme of every Religion on the planet too.
Not from Mexico. lol
Says who? The Roman Catholic Church effectively became the new Roman Empire, and ruled the Western World for close to 2000 years. Dissent was not allowed, and was met with torture and death.
Is nuclear fission and fusion also a myth? Just because SOME political pressure is placed upon those with a Phd next to their name doesn't mean science is nothing but politicial BS, just as not all preachers are a bunch of money scanvenging vultures eager to fleece the gullible. Einstein isn't the only person to have theorized about worm holes, there are many who carried on with his thoughts and gone much further. That you believe science is the same as selling used cares indicates you aren't very well educated.
Ok, who do YOU think wrote the New Testament?
Ok, since you insist, here's some info for you to digest. I've heard several different speculations to explain our rather strange planet. Two of the more interesting are: 1. That we are the interstellar equivalent of "Botany Bay" i.e., a Penal Colony where all the trouble makers are shipped to. It certainly fits the obstreperous humanity on this planet. 2. That we are an experiment - thus explaining all the different races each of which originated on another planet and so we have our mixed mass of humanity of different types. We are being observed to see how it works out.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I watched a very interesting video about this. It had to do with the Bible and the Freemason literature of Albert Pike I think (others too maybe you know how my memory is). So they're talking about a "secret"... the secret is not in the freemason literature but in the bible. It speaks of the secret in the literature but specifies that the actual secret can only be found in the bible. It goes on to refer to symbology, numerology and several Bible verses. I wish you could watch it. noone222 posted it a while back. One has to look past the heavy religious preaching, but there's some very interesting data in that video. Impossible to deny maybe. Actually, I find this plausible in light of the lost technology of the pyramids and other reasons.
I see no reason why he should be offended by a straightforward post of the truth. Unfortunately, I sense that he practices self deception in order to nip and tuck inconvenient truths into irrelevance in order to reconcile them with his understanding of the natural order.
It seems to me like everything points to it one way or another.
Ah, you mean alien aliens. ;)
LOL. Seriously though, we are quite intelligent as a species. The range of intelligence varies, but even your average Special Olympics participant is light years ahead of our closest relatives, chimps and bonobos, intellectually. It's all good fun to consider ourselves "dumb", but end of the day "dumb" doesn't build skyscrapers, space craft or nanobots, or even mundane things like canteens. And "dumb" certainly doesn't contemplate the meaning of life, or the state of matter occupied by light, as a leisure activity while toying around on computers it built which perform millions of precise mathematical calculations every half second.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
And how do we view the aborigines or the isolated uncivilized human tribes? A starfaring race would consider us quaint at best. Or just a delicious entree. Hollyweird has managed to generally create an idea of benevolent aliens in most people's minds.
Sorry, how are we so different from all the other species of animals on the planet? Genetically we're nearly identical to chimps, bonobos, and we're pretty damned close to the other major great apes as well. Heck, we share a lion's portion of DNA with animals even as "low" on the ladder as lizards and fish. Our brains are constructed like every other great ape's brain, only with more development and folds and size. Heck, disappear humans today this second and 2 million years from now I wouldn't bet against another line of great apes walking in our shoes in the self awareness department (heck, some chimps are self aware, so the battle is nearly fought before its started). It seems absolutely in line with how primates function, we just happened to win the race first. Heck, go even further back and you can find intelligence developing in other animals. It seems to be the very nature of this planet, at least since the dinosaurs were wiped out, and even then there's some pretty interesting theories on the intelligence of raptors (and their only direct living descendants, birds). Goldfish, for goodness sake, are more intelligent than we realize and can learn and be trained and have persistent memory, which sounds like no big deal for, say, a dog, but for a goldfish? That's startling. Nah, my friend, we fit into this planet perfectly. Our blood is sea water, our physique perfectly in line with how other animals developed, and our intellect in line with the general evolutionary thrust of this planet for countless eons. In fact there is no way we *do not* fit here that would make us dissimilar to other species, if one takes the full scope of evolutionary history into account. While I have no opinion on "alien intervention" (well, I do, but you may not like it), our presence here is easily seen to be a pretty predictable walk down the path of evolution, in my view.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
That simply has nothing to do with whether we're intelligent or not. Intelligence does not guarantee a "moral" or benign outcome, nor an amoral or evil outcome. Even the very concept of pondering things like "how do we see..." displays intellect that you'll never, ever encounter in any other living species. Or, an interesting discovery of a new culture and civilization which they'd wish to learn about. I don't know about you, but if you placed me back on continental Europe in the year 300 AD I'd be fascinated to study the indigenous Celtic populations. Sure, they wouldn't have microcomputers or cars or nuclear bombs or stealth aircraft or moon faring space ships, but their technological level would have nothing to do with their innate intelligence, culture, poetry, art or other interesting things. I'd be no better than them from a "superiority" standpoint, just because I came from a point in time that had all of the artifacts I mentioned. And that's just human to human. Think of all of the exploration and study you could do, intellectually, with an entirely different self aware intelligent alien species! All of your assumptions would be challenged, everything would seem new by observing them, and your perceptions of the universe would be expanded. Technological advancement is not the panacea of intellectual measurement, iow. "Aliens" can be on the same intellectual level as us, but have a couple of thousand more years head start on technology, and their technology would look like magic to us. But, again, their intellectual level would be the same. Maybe they'd be benign, or not, or simply neutral. We, for example, have learned somewhat from our encounters with each other over the centuries. We're still struggling, but that doesn't mean we haven't learned. I suspect the same would apply to "them" only with some more time under their belts.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Life then was generally pretty crude. I don't think you'd find it so charming after a few months. Or a few days. And how often has that happened here when Europeans met up with primitive tribes? You have a few like Sir Richard Burton at the fringes that no one pays much attention to. And the superior culture conquers the inferior over and over. You wish to believe they would share a simian curiosity, like ours. That would be almost impossible. A starfaring race would of necessity have entirely different qualities and values from our own. You should assume they are far more different than like us. The reason we don't pick up radio traffic from other civilizations may be telling. What if a predator race is out there, just waiting to pounce on any radio signal source? Those old reruns of I Love Lucy could have summoned an invasion fleet, already inbound to us. The SETI project raises interesting questions. Since development of radio is so fundamental to technology, why don't we hear from other civilizations, their Lucy reruns at least? Or their Rush Limbaugh? That silence points to an empty universe. Or, less likely, to predator race(s) waiting to pounce on radio signals. I think an empty universe is more likely despite all the folks on this thread ranting over billions upon billions upon billions of stars, like some bad version of Carl Sagan. Let's grant that there are millions or billions or even trillions of galaxies for the sake of argument. Again, if this is so, then the numerical argument made that life must be common Out There turns against those who assume there must be intelligent life out there. If there are so many planets with intelligent life, we should have an E.T. channel on cable already with the E.T. version of I Love Lucy reruns. I suspect life, as it is on Earth, is truly freak-of-nature stuff. A real cosmic accident. There are so many things that have to be just right for us to live on this planet. We don't appreciate how delicate these balances are that allow for life on Earth. I don't doubt that there are many star systems with planets. What I doubt is that such perfect accidents that allow for life to develop and intelligence to emerge is anywhere near as common as some of you would like, with no evidence, to believe. You believe it because you wish it to be true. This general denial you all seem to have that aliens could be truly malevolent underscores this naiveté.
What has that to do with anything? Life in the Amazon jungle is crude, yet people go there to study indigenous tribes. What has that to do with intelligence levels? You may note, I said we've learned but are still struggling. Actually it would be impossible not to have curiosity and to still develop high technology. You don't get science unless you're first curious about how the universe functions. There is no Aristotelian necessarily that I see. I would assume that they would, indeed, have different qualities and values than ours, but then, that's just an assumption. In the end we won't know until we're staring them in the antennae. I do, but then I also assume some basic things about intelligence and curiosity that I believe might well be universal. I've thought about this before. It may well be that we're looking ONLY for a civilization exactly as advanced, or close to us, and missing the big picture. If you're scanning the mountains for smoke signals, it stands to reason that you're only looking for people who would use smoke signals. The race you've never met but who lives thousands of miles away, who uses satellites to communicate, would not exist to your observations, nor would you exist to their observations. Well, then we're screwed already and no use being upset by it. Lock and load. :) Only if you're using smoke signals as your "signal" to determine life out there, ya' know? Who knows, I guess. That's not an illogical view, and probably is more likely to be true than the opposite. That framework view may shift a bit, however, if even basic life is found in places like Europa or other "close" planets/moons. What's also to consider is the bacteria type life that appears on the seabed floors living near volcanic vents, devoid of sun or really any life sustaining substances we know of. It's one of those things that we'll know when we know, or never know. Whatcanyado? Ultimately I'm more inclined to agree with your view of an empty universe than I am to the one that has space aliens coming here on holiday to drink some margaritas during the time of the Aztecs.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
On Earth. We have no idea of the biology or conditions of life. Other planets could have something innate to them by which a grasp of physics and chemistry is fundamental to higher life forms (unlike humans that wandered around in caves oblivious to scientific principle). Of course, we can't know what we don't know. I still say the odds are that any alien life is far more alien than we can imagine. I'm trying to underscore here that you are anthropomorphizing these hypothetical aliens. Exactly. True enough. But any civilization would detect the vast amount of radio traffic we blare into space in all directions. Advanced civilizations might be using quantum communications, having abandoned radio thousands of years ago. Or they may be telepathic and/or have no language or visual medium like ours. But is it likely that out of those billions of billions of stars that no other race is using radio? Again, the numerical argument turns against you, not for you. In the entire universe, there are no other radio-using civilizations at approximately our stage? Seems strange, no? Of course, an advanced civilization may have no interest whatsoever in other civilizations. None, zero, nada, zip. Entirely possible. Much as China and Japan regarded the West. It isn't unusual here on our own planet. Or stay skinny so you're the last one eaten by our alien overlords. Still, that silence is deafening to the argument that billions of billions of stars must produce intelligent life. I think any kind of life is probably more precious than we know at present. The evidence from our own solar system argues that a verdant planet, even something that can sustain life at the level we have in the Sahara (or some bacteria on Mars or Europa) may be incredibly rare. Of course, we are excluding the sheer amount of time that it takes for light or radio waves to travel interstellar distances. Assume that life is on one of thousand planets at average distances of a hundred light years apart. So there could be a incoming wave of radio traffic suddenly appear at any time, (just as they would be receiving our radio signals starting with the old radio broadcasts). That would be true for an advanced planet with radio technology within one hundred lights years distance. So perhaps we haven't been listening long enough. That would not account for lack of signals that have been traveling toward us for hundreds or thousands or millions of years. Again, that silence is deafening to the argument for the commonality of life. And it is difficult to believe that any advanced civilization would not make some use of radio signals during a fairly long period of their development. It would seem unlikely that you could jump to quantum or subspace communications from the beginning. If there are other civilizations out there, I suspect that they would be on average thousands of lights years apart unless located toward the center of their galaxy. And our position in the outer spiral arm of our galaxy does work somewhat against us. And being located closer in toward the galactic core makes it more likely that supernovae and other phenomenon would destroy advanced life there. Also greater hazards from rogue comets or even rogue planets in a denser area. Out here, we're far safer unless a nearby star like Alpha Centauri goes nova. We may find that life is only possible in relatively quiet galactic backwaters like where we are located which again argues against any other civilizations being within reach of ourselves for communication or for visiting/colonizing. All those stars and planets. And yet not one radio signal of artificial origin...
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#166. To: TooConservative, Original_Intent (#163)
intelligent
#167. To: Original_Intent (#156)
Very insigtful. NOT!
And you still think we should look for intelligent life on other planets? LOL. Maybe you should try to find some here on Earth first.
#168. To: Itistoolate, Turtle, Original_Intent (#165)
www.disclosureproject.org/
#169. To: HOUNDDAWG (#164)
Galileo supposedly uttered, "Nevertheless it did move" while on his knees before the Church accepting his punishment.
#170. To: HOUNDDAWG (#166)
No offense but you seem to be trying to derail the chat with a pointless non-sequitur.
#171. To: TooConservative, all (#167)
Very insigtful. NOT!
Government radar systems are incapble of error or being spoofed (despite the common knowledge that radar is easy to spoof and that weather routinely causes all kinds of false radar readings during inversions and other weather situations).
Weak Analogy
Red Herring You feel persecuted by diabolical forces if anyone doubts your pet theories for which you can muster no evidence whatsoever.
And you still think we should look for intelligent life on other planets? LOL. Maybe you should try to find some here on Earth first.
BTW, were you ever going to offer any opinion on the supposed U.N. vans in the Florida air park? Or are you just here to hijack the thread? Hey, maybe those vans belong to E.T., how about that?
#172. To: TooConservative, HOUNDDAWG, ALL (#170)
No offense but you seem to be trying to derail the chat with a pointless non-sequitur.
#173. To: Original_Intent (#171)
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As both a Radar Operator and Sonar Operator I can tell you that it is part of the training to be able to recognize spurious blips and electronic artifacts.
ROFLMFAO! I think it was about 60 or 70 posts ago I graciously conceded that you are welcome to believe whatever you wish,...
just as I am quite capable of holding my own views, based upon the mountains of evidence you refuse to look at or acknowledge, and feel no compulsion whatsoever to share your viewpoint, whatever it may be given the confused mishmash of your arguments.
#174. To: HOUNDDAWG (#164)
Now that is some super ass kicking!
Galileo supposedly uttered, "Nevertheless it did move" while on his knees before the Church accepting his punishment.
#175. To: Original_Intent (#174)
That was supposed to be his magnum opus which would totally refute my position.
#176. To: TooConservative (#173)
I see. Lack of mere evidence doesn't rattle your certainties at all.
#177. To: TooConservative (#175)
at was supposed to be his magnum opus which would totally refute my position.
#178. To: Original_Intent (#176)
If you wish to relieve yourself of your ignorance then fine. If not then fine. I am quite ambivalent upon the matter.
#179. To: TooConservative (#178)
#180. To: Original_Intent (#177)
We weren't talking about my comments to you - it was regarding an earlier debate with someone else - unless you used to post as "Alan Chapman". You need to learn to read more carefully before inserting your foot.
#181. To: TooConservative (#178)
If you wish to relieve yourself of your ignorance then fine. If not then fine. I am quite ambivalent upon the matter.
#182. To: Itistoolate (#179)
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Thousands of UN Vehicles and Tons of Equipment Masking At Florida Airbase? UPDATE
Update: As of now there is confirmation that there are currently NO vehicles present at this moment. It appears the vehicles have been moved between Feb. and now. Thanks to a dedicated Intel Soldier known as Gortz, we have solved this one. We will keep you posted if anything changes. For the people that believe that Kia Motors stored that many vehicles of the same model in a private airport, wow…
#183. To: Original_Intent (#181)
I am not ambivalent to the use of false logic and disinformation tactics, which is what you were doing in that post (#15 on this thread). I objected then, and now, to the false assertion that an objective view of the UFO phenomena, or having sighted one, perforce makes one a kook, and your argument to that affect was dishonest and logically fallacious.
#184. To: FormerLurker (#116)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#185. To: TooConservative (#182)
And now that they're gone, no one can prove whether they were U.N. or just surplus vehicles that Kia couldn't get sold in a slow economy.
#186. To: TooConservative (#167)
And you still think we should look for intelligent life on other planets? LOL. Maybe you should try to find some here on Earth first.
#187. To: HOUNDDAWG, abraxas, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, buckeroo, christine, Jethro_Tull, SonOfLiberty (#162)
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(TC)"If intelligent life does exist Out There, why in the world would they be interested in the human race?"
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#188. To: All (#187)
aliens
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#189. To: Rotara (#148)
...Jesus came to abolish religion and create relationship with the Living God Almighty directly.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#190. To: RickyJ (#161)
Just as the current power structure has built up the myth of human caused global warming, those before them built up the myth of Einstien's genius and time travel.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#191. To: IRTorqued (#184)
I didn't ask for a rerun of a link I want to see your documentation of the claim you made.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#192. To: IRTorqued (#184)
I didn't ask for a rerun of a link I want to see your documentation of the claim you made.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#193. To: wudidiz (#187)
#194. To: Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG, noone222 (#193)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#195. To: wudidiz (#187)
So we are alien hybrids. Which would explain why we are so very different from every single one of all the species on the planet. It is a theme of every Religion on the planet too.
#196. To: Original_Intent, TooConservative (#174)
It had built up over a couple other threads with varied exchanges. That was supposed to be his magnum opus which would totally refute my position. Do you think I was too harsh on him. ;-)
#197. To: HOUNDDAWG (#195)
Actually, I find this plausible in light of the lost technology of the pyramids and other reasons.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#198. To: wudidiz (#188)
Not from Mexico.
#199. To: TooConservative (#163)
You assume we are anything close to intelligent. The evidence is awfully thin for it. We are little removed from cavemen with clubs and enough knowledge to start a fire.
#200. To: SonOfLiberty (#199)
It's all good fun to consider ourselves "dumb", but end of the day "dumb" doesn't build skyscrapers, space craft or nanobots, or even mundane things like canteens. And "dumb" certainly doesn't contemplate the meaning of life, or the state of matter occupied by light, as a leisure activity while toying around on computers it built which perform millions of precise mathematical calculations every half second.
#201. To: wudidiz (#187)
So we are alien hybrids. Which would explain why we are so very different from every single one of all the species on the planet. It is a theme of every Religion on the planet too.
#202. To: TooConservative (#200)
And how do we view the aborigines or the isolated uncivilized human tribes?
A starfaring race would consider us quaint at best. Or just a delicious entree.
#203. To: SonOfLiberty, wudidiz, RickyJ, Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#202)
Sure, they wouldn't have microcomputers or cars or nuclear bombs or stealth aircraft or moon faring space ships, but their technological level would have nothing to do with their innate intelligence, culture, poetry, art or other interesting things.
And that's just human to human. Think of all of the exploration and study you could do, intellectually, with an entirely different self aware intelligent alien species! All of your assumptions would be challenged, everything would seem new by observing them, and your perceptions of the universe would be expanded.
Technological advancement is not the panacea of intellectual measurement, iow. "Aliens" can be on the same intellectual level as us, but have a couple of thousand more years head start on technology, and their technology would look like magic to us. But, again, their intellectual level would be the same. Maybe they'd be benign, or not, or simply neutral.
#204. To: TooConservative (#203)
Life then was generally pretty crude. I don't think you'd find it so charming after a few months. Or a few days.
And how often has that happened here when Europeans met up with primitive tribes? You have a few like Sir Richard Burton at the fringes that no one pays much attention to. And the superior culture conquers the inferior over and over.
You wish to believe they would share a simian curiosity, like ours. That would be almost impossible.
A starfaring race would of necessity have entirely different qualities and values from our own.
You should assume they are far more different than like us.
The reason we don't pick up radio traffic from other civilizations may be telling.
What if a predator race is out there, just waiting to pounce on any radio signal source? Those old reruns of I Love Lucy could have summoned an invasion fleet, already inbound to us.
I think an empty universe is more likely despite all the folks on this thread ranting over billions upon billions upon billions of stars, like some bad version of Carl Sagan. Let's grant that there are millions or billions or even trillions of galaxies for the sake of argument. Again, if this is so, then the numerical argument made that life must be common Out There turns against those who assume there must be intelligent life out there. If there are so many planets with intelligent life, we should have an E.T. channel on cable already with the E.T. version of I Love Lucy reruns.
I suspect life, as it is on Earth, is truly freak-of-nature stuff. A real cosmic accident. There are so many things that have to be just right for us to live on this planet.
#205. To: SonOfLiberty, wudidiz, RickyJ, Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#204)
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Actually it would be impossible not to have curiosity and to still develop high technology. You don't get science unless you're first curious about how the universe functions.
I do, but then I also assume some basic things about intelligence and curiosity that I believe might well be universal.
I've thought about this before. It may well be that we're looking ONLY for a civilization exactly as advanced, or close to us, and missing the big picture. If you're scanning the mountains for smoke signals, it stands to reason that you're only looking for people who would use smoke signals. The race you've never met but who lives thousands of miles away, who uses satellites to communicate, would not exist to your observations, nor would you exist to their observations.
Well, then we're screwed already and no use being upset by it. Lock and load. :)
Only if you're using smoke signals as your "signal" to determine life out there, ya' know? Who knows, I guess.
That's not an illogical view, and probably is more likely to be true than the opposite. That framework view may shift a bit, however, if even basic life is found in places like Europa or other "close" planets/moons. What's also to consider is the bacteria type life that appears on the seabed floors living near volcanic vents, devoid of sun or really any life sustaining substances we know of. It's one of those things that we'll know when we know, or never know.
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