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Published: Jun 11, 2010
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CERBERUS — GUARDING THE GATES OF HELL?? « The Story Behind The Story Jun 4, 2010 ... “Pegasus International” owns and operates Pegasus Technologies – which is involved in a neat little NSA/CIA operation titled the ... atrueott.wordpress.com/20...arding-the-gates-of-hell/ CERBERUS — GUARDING THE GATES OF HELL?? Filed under: Uncategorized by atrueott — 30 Comments June 4, 2010 UPDATED INFORMATION ON GPS COORDINATES ON GOOGLE MAPS AND GOOGLE EARTH!! Also, since this article was posted, I have received documentation that the vans are the property of DirectTV, and are being outfitted with new GWEN TOWER and Satellite accessing technologies. Doesn’t that make you feel better?? (How can the CIA and NSA collect data for the new “Data Collection Center” in Utah — do you think they would use vans with government license plates and CIA/NSA Collections on the side – or would they use a cover corporation such as DirectTV??) Open Google Earth and enter these GPS coordinates: 29.972464, and 81.660923. The You-tube video www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y...A&feature=player_embedded is a bit spurious and misinforming to say the least. First, this is not an “Air Force Base” — it is a PRIVATELY OWNED FACILITY known as “Reynolds Airpark” a private Airport and “manufacturing facility”. A Mr. Ted McGowan is the manager – and their phone number is: 904-284-3505. Second, these are not “U.N. Vehicles”. These white vans belong to Pegasus International and Cerberus/DynCorp. Check it out: www.airport-data.com/airport/FL60/ and the latest (May 28, 2010) picture of the airport at: www.airport-data.com/airport/photo/017237.html.html Now, for the BAD NEWS — “Reynolds Airpark” is listed in the Clay County Fla. plat/tax rolls as being wholly owned by a company named Pegasus International. Ok, I thought, what exactly is “Pegasus International” and what exactly do they do?? Well – among other things, they just happen to be involved in the OIL DRILLING BUSINESS – with ties to Halliburton and BRITISH PETROLEUM!!! What the hell??? See their website at: www.pegasus-international.com/site.php Then, of all things, they just happen to have an office in Salt Lake City, Utah. Here is where the plot thickens. Their SLC office also houses Dick Cheney’s Halliburton, and is next to the Minerals Management Service (MMS) offices. Worse, their U.K. office “address” is next door to (or possibly even a part of) British Petroleum as well. What is going on?? They also have “offices” in Turkmenistan, Nigeria, and Azerbijan – hotbeds of political intrigue and profiteering for BP. See www.universalpegasus.com/locations.php But — it gets worse, if possible. “Pegasus International” owns and operates Pegasus Technologies – which is involved in a neat little NSA/CIA operation titled the “Information Sharing Council” or ISC. Their “unclassified” 2006 report can be seen at www.ise.gov/docs/eds/edspo-conops.pdf. A careful reading of this document shows that part of the “Pegasus Program” is the deployment of thousands of vehicles across America, outfitted with domestic spying “Maximum Information Technology” (MaxIT) systems. MaxIT is a joint venture of the following companies: Appriss Inc., Bio-Key International, Inc., Business Communications Inc., Circadence Corporation, Cquay Technologies, Dell, eLabs Inc., MS e-Center and Sun Microsystems. (See 12/12/03 report on www.eetimes.com/press_rel...cleID=117687&CompanyId=1) When I studied DynCorp International, I found that DynCorp and Pegasus International are basically joined at the hips with many international “joint projects”. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that DynCorp, and Pegasus are CIA FRONT COMPANIES involved in the deepest black ops. (See NanoTech expose in “Dr. Ott’s Papers” on this website.) Also, check this out. Dyncorp Int. was “purchased” back on April 12 by Cerberus Capital, and the “deal” was brokered by, you guessed it, Goldman Sachs who SHORTED TRANSOCEAN STOCKS on April 17, three days before the Gulf Oil debacle began. See finance.yahoo.com/news/Dy...-3625293200.html?x=0&.v=1 WHAT IN THE GATES OF HELL IS GOING ON????? Here we have VISUAL PROOF of hundreds of vehicles undergoing modifications by Pegasus International teams at their Reynolds AirPark facility, all indications of MaxIT information is that the process involved is basically making the vehicles ultra-modern “spy-mobiles” (the on-line google-earth picture was dated Jan. 2008, while the most current picture of May 28, 2010 -shows the spy-vans still on property.) We also now know that Dyncorp is now Cerberus, and they are tied to Pegasus International. So, what’s in a name? Consider that Pegasus and Cerberus are both central figures of Greek (and Roman) mythology. Pegasus is the preferred mode of transportation for the pantheon of gods, while Cerberus — well — this is the mythical guardian of the gates of hell! What would possess anybody to name their corporation Cerberus??? This world is in deep trouble, it would appear.
Pegasus International does offshore drilling services, not so different than Halliburton does for Mideast oil support operations. Pegasus International was merged a few years back with Universal Ensco, a similar company, and with Peak Power Engineering. The three companies are now known as Universal Pegasus. And Pegasus Technologies is just a small-fry IT consulting firm from Pennsylvania. They kind of flounder around as a business, you can find lots of their defunct websites from every time they remake their company yet again. They have no connection to Pegasus Intl that I can find (they're too small to interest Pegasus Intl). I can't find any connections between Cerberus Capital Management and these other companies. Check the link for all the other stuff Cerberus is involved in. Cerberus acquired Dyncorp, a mercenary and security services and air freight and aircraft servicing provider in the Mideast and also a contractor for War On Drugs eradication campaigns and also air services provider a few years back. No indication of any connection to the Reynolds operation in FL with the vans though. They are a bit like KBR and Xe/Blackwater. Big contractors supporting Pentagon ops globally and cashing in big time. So we can see that much of this disinfo can be easily debunked. However, what we don't see are all the holding companies and secret contracts that could possibly exist. But what is clear is that the above info that paints these companies as a single operation is simply wrong, the result of hoaxters or ignorant people trying to connect dots where there are no dots to connect. Maybe they are really are connected (say, by offshore holding companies or by secret contracts and such) but it is clear that there is no info in the public domain at this juncture that points to it. You could just as easily replace the names of these companies with Xe/Blackwater and a bunch of others. And you'd have just as much proof of it (i.e. none, zero, nada, zilch). The fake story might sound convincing to some people and get page hits. But that wouldn't make the stories true. It goes back to Occam's Law, the simple answer usually being correct. If these vans are such a mystery, are you telling me that someone in the hundreds of thousands of people in the 20-mile area would not have gone to the industrial park to look for plates or logos with the U.N. logo (or Directv or whatever). It would be a big story if they could prove it. But like the endless stories about the black helicopters (possibly circulated by the CIA to discredit people as conspiracy nuts), there is never any proof. Yet, these vans are parked on an old runway in an industrial park where the info could be easily obtained. Or someone could take photos with a telephoto lens from outside. Yet, none of that has happened, despite every American having such a hankering for their 15 minutes of fame on the internet. It just doesn't pass a reasonableness test. Nor has any employee of the various companies at this industrial park posted info about sinister U.N. vans which might lead to payouts of tens of thousands by the tabloids like National Enquirer.
Those evacuations are for a possible hurricane, not the oil spill. They want to make sure that oil recovery workers and operations don't impede a coastal evacuation if a big hurricane like Andrew hits FL again. They do these preparations every year. It's a big nothing. They're just updating their plans to make some allowances for a hurricane coming during a big oil spill. It isn't sinister.
More silliness. Wiki: "Founded in 1992, Cerberus is named for the mythological three-headed dog that guarded the gates of Hades. Feinberg has stated to his employees that while the Cerberus name seemed like a good idea at the time, he later regretted naming the company after the mythological dog." Lots of mythological names get used for various businesses. And there is no connection evident between Pegasus and Cerberus to begin with. You may as well start trying to connect dots between Athena Management of Athens, GA and the Mercury car division of Ford-Lincoln-Mercury. Toss in Zeus International for extra credit. When trying to connect the dots, you have to remember that drawing lines between any two dots doesn't mean there's a connection or that it leads to an accurate picture.
So your contention is our government will not consider a population evacuation, at any time, related to the spew?
It's difficult to imagine it. You understand it simply is not possible to evacuate millions of people that easily. You could evacuate to the extent they do for a big hurricane possibly but you couldn't do it and keep them out of the area for weeks or months. Discounting all the silly toxic rain stories as fables (since oil and water really do not mix), part of the oil will evaporate into the atmosphere (but will not "rain oil" because it can't bond with water vapor). Of what remains of the oil, it will be large tarballs and can mess things up like the beaches or even areas inland if a hurricane picks up the tarballs and carries them farther inland. It would be quite a mess. But even assuming those worst-case scenarios, tarballs spread across Florida wouldn't require any evacuation. I can't speak to the toxicity and durability of the Conexant (sp?) anti-oil spray they've dumped around but it doesn't seem that even in the volumes they used at sea that enough of it could be scrubbed up by a hurricane or by natural water flow to cause any widespread evacuation unless it was a few spots where it was more concentrated. And a hurricane spreading it widely enough would likely reduce the hazard considerably though infants and those with compromised health might get evacuated or put on oxygen or similar.
Prepositioned. It would be great if someone could get a GPS coordinate on these and then go and take some better photos of what decals and how these vehicles are marked.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
OWNING THE WEATHER AND OUR MINDS IN 2008? January 27, 2008 In 1997, Former Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen (above left) said the technology to alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves is real! This statement would immediately make a person think about the 2004 Sumatra earthquake, tsunami and hurricane Katrina. http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674 In 2001, Congressman Kucinich (above) introduced a bill talking about through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such populations. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.2977.IH: US AIR FORCE: Weather as a Force Multiplier. Owning the Weather in 2025 http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf
Was that before or after his encounter with the UFO? Kucinich isn't very credible.
Kucinich isn't very credible. Ah, the giggle factor. A conditioned response by years of psychological conditioning in the media and by government. Then follow with a logical fallacy i.e. "guilt by association". So we get the presentation that: Implied Premise: UFOs do not exist. And then the logical fallacy based upon the background of the implied premise. Anyone who has seen a UFO is a kook. All founded upon a false and fallacious chain of reasoning, founded upon a psychologically planted "giggle factor" to encourage people not to look, not to think, and to accept an opinion based not upon evidence, but upon sheer repetition, by an "authority", of an unsupported assertion. While it is not my intent to get off onto a UFO debate the sheer volume of case reports, witness reports etc., all point to an indefinite percentage of UFO reports to be aircraft of some kind. By definition they are unidentified. Further, one can examine the other available reports and reasonably conclude that not all are of terrestrial origin. There too many reports from too many credible witnesses to conclude otherwise. I am not going to bother to go through the evidenciary chain, but the data is there, and mostly in the public domain. One site filled with good reportage is www.sightings.com
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Keep in mind that when the economy tanked it resulted in thousands of unsold vehicles and some closed dealerships. Here in Delaware the Chrysler plant kept building the DODGE DURANGO even though the gas guzzlers were just sitting on dealer lots. (The company figured their profits on the cars built instead of cars sold-more of that uniquely American bookkeeping that helped sink us) There were thousands of them stored at The Port Of Wilmington waiting to be shipped or trucked, a day that never came for most just before the plant was closed. (The good people at Chrysler were so much happier when they were building tanks for the war effort because, "WAR IS GOOD BUSINESS!") Fives years ago there still people who refused to read the signs (you know, those "Bush is the greatest president in the history of the world" types) who drove Humvees and Durangos. I seldom see either on the roads now, and folks have parked them for cheaper cars to fuel and drive. These vans could have been built at a time when the company was whistling past the financial cemetery and refusing to face the facts, or, they could be the result of several canceled fleet orders from FED EX, Happy Harry's, etc. If an order is canceled there's nothing to do but keep the vehicles. It does no good to sue a failing company because there's no money to be had and it damages future sales if a company regains its footing. The basic white paint job may be because they were going to be painted UPS-deux deux brown when they were ordered. Or, they're going to be used by the Sgt. Stedenkos and their jump out squads when the time comes to round up dissidents.....
Kucinich isn't very credible. Ah, the giggle factor. A conditioned response by years of psychological conditioning in the media and by government. Then follow with a logical fallacy i.e. "guilt by association". So we get the presentation that: Implied Premise: UFOs do not exist. And then the logical fallacy based upon the background of the implied premise. Anyone who has seen a UFO is a kook. Kucinich has seen a UFO Therefore Kucinich is a kook. Corrolary: Using the fallacy of Guilt by Association, anything which Kucinich says is not credible. All founded upon a false and fallacious chain of reasoning, founded upon a psychologically planted "giggle factor" to encourage people not to look, not to think, and to accept an opinion based not upon evidence, but upon sheer repetition, by an "authority", of an unsupported assertion. While it is not my intent to get off onto a UFO debate the sheer volume of case reports, witness reports etc., all point to an indefinite percentage of UFO reports to be aircraft of some kind. By definition they are unidentified. Further, one can examine the other available reports and reasonably conclude that not all are of terrestrial origin. There too many reports from too many credible witnesses to conclude otherwise. I am not going to bother to go through the evidenciary chain, but the data is there, and mostly in the public domain. One site filled with good reportage is www.sightings.com Excellent! Way to dismantle a frayed technique that's still favored by some. UFO sightings number in the hundreds annually in the US and in the thousands worldwide, and many are captured with cameras and witnessed by unimpeachable sources. The only people who use such a shabby technique now are those who with equal logic could say, "I've never personally seen a leopard seal so they exist only in the minds of kooks." In fact UFOs have been well documented and witnessed more (by a possible multimillion factor) than the giant toothy predator seals of the icey North.
The only place I have ever seen a Leopard Seal is on film, which can be faked, and at the San Diego Zoo. Of course you can't trust those Zoos - some of the staff likely belongs to PETA or some other Wildlife Organization like the Audubon Society, and you know how those kooks are. Which is of course as valid as the usual UFO scoffer argument regurgitating what they have been told they think. Ditto the Acolytes of that world famous second class Illusionist "The Less than Amazing Randi". Definitely not in the class of a David Copperfield, and not a scientist either - although he is treated as a fount of scientific wisdom by his flock of sheeple. I don't often argue the UFO debate simply because, for me, the sheer volume of evidence and reports from good witnesses is overwhelming. I long ago concluded that the phenomena was valid and that we are likely being visited and observed. Probably by the extraterrestrial equivalent of Anthropologists and Ethnologists - studying the primitives. One of pieces of data that convinced me that there was something to it was that military pilots are subject to prosecution, jail time, and draconian fines for making a UFO report public. Why would the government inflict stern punishments upon the most credible of witnesses if there was no there, there? Wouldn't they, if there was nothing of substance, treat them as insane, pull their ticket to fly, and possibly institutionalize them? Normally, absent a crime, people who are crazy are not prosecuted for the fact of being crazy. So, why prosecute military pilots if what they are seeing is not there? That IS insane. And thanks for the compliment.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I agree, it is a script, commonly used against people like Ron Paul, to "innoculate" the public against Bad Bad Thoughts. But sometimes a nut really is a nut. Like Kucinich. He also swore he wouldn't vote for ObummerCare. But he did after one little plane ride on Air Force One. And, unlike Paul, he has ranted and said stupid things for decades. All? Indefinite? Make up your mind. And no one has ever doubted that some UFOs are unidentified aircraft. And it has been proven repeatedly that this is so. It doesn't help the argument you are trying to make at all.
As usual your logic is unassailable. You can tell which posters are accustomed to piling on and browbeating those who utter heresies. They are probably from LP and/or FR, places where dissent from the dogma is not tolerated regardless of the evidence. You have the patience and the intellect to systematically dismantle their cheap psychological shots. I don't. I'm glad you do. It's a dirty job but someone has to do it. Otherwise they'd silence folks who don't "worship at the Dubya throne" here, too.
But sometimes a nut really is a nut. Like Kucinich. He also swore he wouldn't vote for ObummerCare. But he did after one little plane ride on Air Force One. Much better.
Why would the government inflict stern punishments upon the most credible of witnesses if there was no there, there? Wouldn't they, if there was nothing of substance, treat them as insane, pull their ticket to fly, and possibly institutionalize them? Normally, absent a crime, people who are crazy are not prosecuted for the fact of being crazy. So, why prosecute military pilots if what they are seeing is not there? That IS insane. Because those pilots are official members of the government and their statements carry greater weight. Individual members of the military are not allowed to give press conferences, use their position to grandstand, or create public scandal or rumors. So there is sound reason not to allow the military, a subordinate agency of the presidency, to alarm people or to create rumors or to grandstand. And they have good cause to think that at least a few of their pilots are fruitbats as well. Therefore, no independent reporting or press conferences by military pilots. I think it is and should be cause for dismissal. No company or government agency allows their employees to appoint themselves as public spokesmen unilaterally or against the interests of the company/agency. You're assembling negative proofs in a way to use them as a kind of positive evidentiary proof. This isn't possible, however you try to shave off the rough spots in your own mind.
BTW, you are aware that a military pilot could, upon reaching the age of retirement, suddenly decide he "saw" a UFO and then get paid $100K or more by the tabloids to publicize it? Lots of financial incentive and human motives for mischief of that kind.
Nope, sure doesn't make ME feel better. In 2001, Congressman Kucinich (above) introduced a bill talking about through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such populations. You might want to take a look at this: Digital TV: Mind Control By the Sound of Silence A. True Ott, PhD, ND | Educate Yourself.org 54,127 views This is an extremely timely and important essay. It overviews a secret Pentagon psychotronics technology known as Silent Sound Spread Spectrum (SSSS) that has been fully operational since the early 1990s. I first found out about the use of this technology from Al Bielek in a 1992 video he made with Vladimir Terziski. This technology was used against battle-hardened Iraqi troops fortified in deep underground bunkers in Kuwait and Iraq in the first Gulf War in January of 1991. The physical, emotional, and psychological effects of this technology were so severe that hundreds of thousands of Iraqi troops surrended en masse without firing even a single shot against US led coalition forces. The numbers reported in the news were staggering: 75,000 and then annother 125,000 (or more) Iraqi troops would come out of their deep desert bunkers waving white flags and falling to their knees before approaching US troops and literally kiss their captor’s boots or hands if given the opportunity. Why would eight year veterans of Middle Eastern warfare (with Iran 1980-1988) behave this way? Simple. They were subjected to a technology that was so extreme and incomprehensible that they were suddenly reduced to the level of compliant children and felt grateful to still be alive in the wake of their mind-wrenching experience. This technology is about to be used, albeit in a more subtle fashion, against American citizens in a highly classified and covert operation to mind control and manipulate the entire population into ‘compliance’ with our New World order overlords. The technology will utilize a combination of HAARP transmitters, GWEN towers, microwave cell phone towers, and the soon-to-be-mandatory High Definition Digital TV that will enter your home via: a) cable, b) satellite, c) HD TVs, or d) those oh-so-easy-to-obtain “digital converter boxes” that the government is so anxious to help you obtain and underwrite most of the cost on your behalf......" www.wariscrime.com/2008/1...-by-the-sound-of-silence/ BTW, I really hate to say this, and truly hope there is another explanation, but General Stubblebine, along with Knight of the British Empire, Gen. Schwarzkopf, are the two generals who have come to the aid of the "Guardian Elders" of the Restore America Plan, something that gives me great pause.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Cracks me up. Whenever someone points out what loons conspiracists are, all they can do is point and sputter "You must be one of THEM!!"
For it is not the wolf or any of the other beasts that would join the contest in any noble danger, but rather a good man. — Aristotle, Politics, Book IIX
Look, it's a UFO! Like some weird floating head with bad toupee up in the sky! LOL.
It is a way of distracting stupid people when you have no proof to offer to support your wild theories and incredible accounts. Dime a dozen on this interweb thing.
Should we destroy our TVs and converter boxes and satellite boxen now, just to be safe from Big Brutha?
So was the USAF looking for a spot in the National Enquirer when a squadron of UFOs buzzed the US Capitol back in 1952?
1952 Washington D.C. UFO incident
Last week DirecTv installed a new HD satellite dish, receiver, and remote on Mrs.L's tellie. It's not an HD tv, but goodness, is the picture ever brighter and sharper. Oh yeah, it was all gratis.
First things first. These Google Images from Google Maps, how old do you think they are? I did a google map look up on my house, and it's from before I moved in, as there were 9 cars parked next door, and three at my house. So, we have no idea how old the images are. Google Maps are not a real time indicator of what's really there. Second, how hard would it be to go to a place like this, and take photos, and get the truth? Probably not hard at all. Considering that there are 3 hills around it, one could get to the top, and get a good shot with a telescope, or a camera with a high powered zoom. I'm not going to worry until they start rolling around in my neck of the woods. When it happens, that's when all bets are off.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
Explained as a double-inversion. For instance, those military pilots you think so highly of said that the inversion caused radar to bounce off the cloud layer and pick up a boat going to Mount Vernon. This is the far more dangerous kind of UFO (an Unidentified Floating Object), all the more sinister because it doesn't fly at all. The webpage link you provided does far more to debunk your "proof" than to support it.
And that's exactly what you did. You diverted the thread from it's original topic, and made it all about UFOs.
It's not an HD tv, but goodness, is the picture ever brighter and sharper. Oh yeah, it was all gratis. So how do we know we're still talking to the real Lod, not the mind-controlled Lod zombie with Rahm Emmanuel pulling his every string via Directv HD signal? Sorry, but I have to add you to my Evil Zombie list. Can't be too safe, you know.
No, I focused on the Kucinich UFO report, replete with Shirley MacLaine sucking it up for all it was worth (nothing) in her book. It is you who changed the topic with long bloviating posts about UFOs. Of course, that is exactly the kind of thing I would say if I were a disinfo specialist. They teach us how to do it in Disinformation Specialist school.
Or maybe it was "Swamp Gas", eh? You obviously didn't read the part that mentioned military jets being surrounded by these glowing objects, nor does your "inversion" BS explain the visual sightings, notably that which is present in the video I embedded. And here's an excerpt from the Wiki page on the incident... At 8:15 p.m. on Saturday, July 26, 1952, a pilot and stewardess on a National Airlines flight into Washington observed some strange objects above their plane. Within minutes, both radar centers at National Airport, and the radar at Andrews AFB, were tracking more unknown objects. The objects were traveling between 90 and 100 miles per hour. A master sergeant at Andrews visually observed the objects; he later said that "these lights did not have the characteristics of shooting stars. There was [sic] no trails . . . they traveled faster than any shooting star I have ever seen" (Clark, 658). Meanwhile, Albert M. Chop, the press spokesman for Project Blue Book, arrived at National Airport and refused several reporters' requests to photograph the radar screens. He then joined the radar center personnel (Ruppelt, 164). By this time (9:30 p.m.) the radar center was picking up unknown objects in every sector. At times the objects traveled slowly; at other times they reversed direction and moved across the radarscope at speeds calculated at 7,000 mph. At 11:30 p.m., two jet fighters from Newcastle AFB in Delaware arrived over Washington. Capt. John McHugo, the flight leader, was vectored towards the radar pips but saw nothing, despite repeated attempts (Peebles, 76). However, his wingman, Lt. William Patterson, did see four white "glows" and chased them. Suddenly, the "glows" turned and surrounded his fighter. Patterson asked the control tower at National Airport what he should do; according to Chop, the tower's answer was "stunned silence". The four objects then sped away from Patterson's jet and disappeared (Clark, 659). After midnight on July 27, Major Dewey Fournet, Project Blue Book's liaison at the Pentagon, and a Lt. Holcomb, an Air Force radar specialist, arrived at the radar center at National Airport. During the night, Lt. Holcomb received a call from the Washington National Weather Station. They told him that a slight temperature inversion was present over the city, but Holcomb felt that the inversion was not "nearly strong enough to explain the 'good and solid' returns" on the radarscopes (Peebles, 76). Fournet relayed that all those present in the radar room were convinced that the targets were most likely caused by solid metallic objects. There had been weather targets on the scope too, he said, but this was a common occurrence and the controllers "were paying no attention to them." (Ruppelt, 166) Two more jets from Newcastle AFB were scrambled during the night. One pilot saw nothing unusual; the other pilot moved towards a white light which "vanished" when he closed in. A Capital Airlines flight leaving Washington spotted "odd lights" which remained visible for about twelve minutes (Clark, 660). As on July 20, the sightings and unknown radar returns ended at sunrise. And for what reason, being that wasn't the topic of the thread?
You can tell which posters are accustomed to piling on and browbeating those who utter heresies. They are probably from LP and/or FR, places where dissent from the dogma is not tolerated regardless of the evidence. You have the patience and the intellect to systematically dismantle their cheap psychological shots. I don't. I'm glad you do. It's a dirty job but someone has to do it. Otherwise they'd silence folks who don't "worship at the Dubya throne" here, too. Thanks. I simply regard it as a public service. I have a distinct dislike of false logic and disinformation. I am also aware that such is often intentionally planted to mislead, and I want people to think for themselves and be able to spot these common fallacies when they run into them. That is part of the reason our society is such a mess - people accept false verities and then act upon them, and when you draw a conclusion on false information your conclusion will be false. I do not like to see disinformation go unchallenged, and it presents an opportunity to show examples of false reasoning. My standard line is: "What is the evidence?" If one sets aside preconceptions and lets the evidence tell the story, rather than have a fixed idea, then one is more likely to arrive at the truth. As in anything in this existence there is no guarantee, but the odds are a "bit" better. However, too many people operate upon illogic and then act as though their pronouncements, arrived at by specious reasoning, are fundamental truths. I'm not a logic fetishist, as human intuition is able to bridge gaps that logic alone will not travel, however, it is a useful tool in ferreting out the truth of a matter. The reasoning often seems to go (illogically): A is true. B is associated with A. Therefore B is true. Notice the absent proof. And the reverse: A is false. B is associated with A. Therefore B is false. Same reasoning - an assumption made without any merit. So the UFO scoffers arguments invariably set up as I outlined above: An assumption, without proof, is made that all UFO reports are false, misdidentification, or the result of illusion. This unproved assumption is then used as a litmus test to discard any information to the contrary. Thus good reports are labeled bad simply because the observer assumes that there is no possibility of it being true and therefore, by Appeal To Misleading Authority anything not in agreement with the assumption is labeled false without the bother of actually thinking. This kind of reasoning is actually quite common. You run into a lot in Science, particularly in those fields that do not rely on mathematical proofs. I first got interested in the subject of false arguments because of my interest in Archaeology. There is a large and substantial body of evidence that is absolutely contrary to the accepted, in Academic circles, age of anatomically modern man, and the true antiquity of civilization on this planet. Any of this evidence contrary to the accepted view is routinely thrown out, not because of any real defect, but because it throws doubt upon the accepted Academic Fetish. Take for example the age of the Sphinx. The Sphinx and its enclosure show signs of extreme water erosion which could only result from thousands of years of heavy rainfall. Problem though, the Giza Plateau, the location of the Sphinx had it last extended period of wet weather prior to 8,000 B.C. - a time when the Giza Plateau had an arid desert climate with insufficient rainfall to account for the water erosion. Big BIG problem for academic archaeology since they place the construction of the Sphinx around 2500 B.C.. So, we have geologists, who rely upon mathematically provable principles of water erosion, and the climatological history of the region in conflict with the accepted age of the Sphinx. So, do the Academics, in accordance with proper Scientific Method, revise their thinking to accommodate the new data. Of course not. The text book says 2500 B.C. and so evidence be damned!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
But jet airliners fall out of the sky like a rock if they go as slow as 90-100mph. Your "facts" refute themselves. Or were the Little Gray Ones sneakily warping spacetime and nullifying the laws of physics? I always find it amusing to think that races of intelligent superbeings would cross interstellar distances to come here, then tease us with UFO sightings while playing coy and never actually revealing themselves. Of course, they might have a rather odd sense of humor. Or they're just waiting for their buddies to show up so they can eat us all.
Are you so dense that you think wingless craft follow the same rules as jet airliners? You also overlooked the part that estimated their speed at 7000 mph at times. By this time (9:30 p.m.) the radar center was picking up unknown objects in every sector. At times the objects traveled slowly; at other times they reversed direction and moved across the radarscope at speeds calculated at 7,000 mph. At 11:30 p.m., two jet fighters from Newcastle AFB in Delaware arrived over Washington. Capt. John McHugo, the flight leader, was vectored towards the radar pips but saw nothing, despite repeated attempts (Peebles, 76). However, his wingman, Lt. William Patterson, did see four white "glows" and chased them. Suddenly, the "glows" turned and surrounded his fighter. Patterson asked the control tower at National Airport what he should do; according to Chop, the tower's answer was "stunned silence". The four objects then sped away from Patterson's jet and disappeared (Clark, 659).
You do realize that we have scientists going to foreign countries, who tag animals for research purposes right? It could be no different than that.
It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.
You have one of those "I WANT TO BELIEVE! posters on the wall, don't you?
They've been coming here as long as history goes back, perhaps longer. Look up ancient Sumerian history, or Hindu Vedic legends... Would you prefer they do something more akin to what you see in TV shows such as "V"? Who's to say at least some of these "visitors" aren't just from another place, but from another time, where they may even be from OUR future. That'd be the best way to record history, actually going back and seeing it happen.
Then maybe those mystery vans in Florida belong to the Little Gray Persons, not the U.N. after all.
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#7. To: Itistoolate, all (#6)
#8. To: Itistoolate (#6)
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
BP, the Coast Guard and the state of Lousiana have already been talking about how to coordinate evacuations so workers and equipment involved in the oil spill response don't clog highway escape routes.
#10. To: Itistoolate (#6)
Consider that Pegasus and Cerberus are both central figures of Greek (and Roman) mythology. Pegasus is the preferred mode of transportation for the pantheon of gods, while Cerberus — well — this is the mythical guardian of the gates of hell! What would possess anybody to name their corporation Cerberus???
#11. To: TooConservative (#9)
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
So your contention is our government will not consider a population evacuation, at any time, related to the spew?
#13. To: Itistoolate (#0)
#14. To: TooConservative (#9)
Those evacuations are for a possible hurricane, not the oil spill. They want to make sure that oil recovery workers and operations don't impede a coastal evacuation if a big hurricane like Andrew hits FL again.
#15. To: Itistoolate (#14)
In 2001, Congressman Kucinich
#16. To: TooConservative, Itistoolate, FormerLurker, wudidiz (#15)
Was that before or after his encounter with the UFO?
Kucinich has seen a UFO
Therefore Kucinich is a kook.
Corrolary: Using the fallacy of Guilt by Association, anything which Kucinich says is not credible.
#17. To: Itistoolate (#0)
#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)
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Was that before or after his encounter with the UFO?
#19. To: HOUNDDAWG (#18)
#20. To: Original_Intent (#16)
Anyone who has seen a UFO is a kook. Kucinich has seen a UFO Therefore Kucinich is a kook. Corrolary: Using the fallacy of Guilt by Association, anything which Kucinich says is not credible.
While it is not my intent to get off onto a UFO debate the sheer volume of case reports, witness reports etc., all point to an indefinite percentage of UFO reports to be aircraft of some kind.
#21. To: Original_Intent, christine (#19)
#22. To: TooConservative, Original_Intent (#20)
I agree, it is a script, commonly used against people like Ron Paul, to "inoculate" the public against Bad Bad Thoughts.
#23. To: Original_Intent (#19)
One of pieces of data that convinced me that there was something to it was that military pilots are subject to prosecution, jail time, and draconian fines for making a UFO report public.
#24. To: Original_Intent (#19)
One of pieces of data that convinced me that there was something to it was that military pilots are subject to prosecution, jail time, and draconian fines for making a UFO report public.
#25. To: Itistoolate (#14)
Also, since this article was posted, I have received documentation that the vans are the property of DirectTV, and are being outfitted with new GWEN TOWER and Satellite accessing technologies. Doesn’t that make you feel better?? (How can the CIA and NSA collect data for the new “Data Collection Center” in Utah — do you think they would use vans with government license plates and CIA/NSA Collections on the side – or would they use a cover corporation such as DirectTV??).....
December 15, 2008
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#26. To: TooConservative (#5)
Or are you a 'disinformation specialist?
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)
#28. To: Turtle (#26)
Cracks me up. Whenever someone points out what loons conspiracists are, all they can do is point and sputter "You must be one of THEM!!"
#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#25)
or d) those oh-so-easy-to-obtain “digital converter boxes” that the government is so anxious to help you obtain and underwrite most of the cost on your behalf......"
#30. To: TooConservative (#24)
BTW, you are aware that a military pilot could, upon reaching the age of retirement, suddenly decide he "saw" a UFO and then get paid $100K or more by the tabloids to publicize it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: TooConservative (#24)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#32. To: FormerLurker, 4 (#31)
#33. To: Itistoolate (#0)
#34. To: FormerLurker (#31)
#35. To: TooConservative (#28)
It is a way of distracting stupid people when you have no proof to offer to support your wild theories and incredible accounts.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: Lod (#32)
Last week DirecTv installed a new HD satellite dish, receiver, and remote on Mrs.L's tellie.
#37. To: FormerLurker (#35)
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And that's exactly what you did. You diverted the thread from it's original topic, and made it all about UFOs.
#38. To: TooConservative (#34)
Explained as a double-inversion.
Events of July 26–27
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#39. To: TooConservative (#37)
No, I focused on the Kucinich UFO report
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#21)
(Edited)
As usual your logic is unassailable.
#41. To: FormerLurker (#38)
At 8:15 p.m. on Saturday, July 26, 1952, a pilot and stewardess on a National Airlines flight into Washington observed some strange objects above their plane. Within minutes, both radar centers at National Airport, and the radar at Andrews AFB, were tracking more unknown objects. The objects were traveling between 90 and 100 miles per hour.
#42. To: TooConservative (#41)
But jet airliners fall out of the sky like a rock if they go as slow as 90-100mph.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#43. To: TooConservative (#41)
#44. To: FormerLurker (#42)
#45. To: TooConservative (#41)
I always find it amusing to think that races of intelligent superbeings would cross interstellar distances to come here, then tease us with UFO sightings while playing coy and never actually revealing themselves. Of course, they might have a rather odd sense of humor. Or they're just waiting for their buddies to show up so they can eat us all.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#46. To: FormerLurker (#45)
They've been coming here as long as history goes back, perhaps longer.
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