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Title: N.Y. Cigarette Tax Increase Boosts Pack to Almost $11
Source: bloomberg.com
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Published: Jul 1, 2010
Author: Chris Burritt
Post Date: 2010-07-01 16:59:00 by James Deffenbach
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Views: 249
Comments: 34

New York smokers started paying the highest cigarette taxes in the U.S. today after an increase of 58 percent pushed some prices to almost $11 a pack.

The average price in New York City, the largest in the U.S. by population, rose to $10.80, according to Erik Kriss, a spokesman for the state Division of Budget. Outside of the city, which imposes its own tax, the state average price is $8.92.

New York led Hawaii, New Mexico, South Carolina and Utah in raising cigarette taxes today. Health advocates cheered the increases as a means to reduce smoking. Tobacco producers and retailers said higher taxes encourage black-market sales and won’t generate anticipated revenue.

“A few people will quit smoking, but many more will quit coming to our stores and instead buy cigarettes from untaxed sources,” Jim Calvin, president of the New York Association of Convenience Stores, said today by telephone from Albany. The group represents operators of 7,500 convenience stores.

New York lawmakers boosted the state’s portion of the tax to $5.85 a pack from $4.25 in New York City. Outside the city, the tax rose to $4.35 a pack from $2.75. The tax increase is projected to raise $290 million a year from cigarettes, snuff, cigars and other tobacco products. Collecting taxes on cigarette sales from Indian reservations would raise another $150 million.

‘Legal Addictions’

“It’s the state trying to get money from legal addictions,” said Joseph Bavaro, 21, who said he’s smoked for seven years. “It’s for the greater good, but it’s bad to take advantage of addicts.”

New York ranked 14th among U.S. states in pack sales of cigarettes last year, according to the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, an advocacy group in Washington. New Yorkers bought 482.7 million packs, accounting for 2.9 percent of U.S. sales.

“I think it’s horrible,” said Randi Gelman, 44, a New York travel agent. “We know it’s bad for us. People are out of work, no jobs, now this? It’s not fair. This is just a way for the government to make back money from working people after years of stupid decisions.”

Nationwide, cigarette tax increases this year will spur more than 140,000 adults to quit smoking and raise more than $561 million in annual revenue, according to the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

“It’ll probably make me quit, I have to quit anyway, it’s just one more reason,” said Tom Tveter, 49, a salesman who lives in Rockland County, New York. He said he’s smoked for 16 years.

Internet, Reservation Sales

New York’s increase will prompt more smokers to buy over the Internet or from American Indian reservations and lower-tax states such as New Jersey and Pennsylvania, according to Altria Group Inc. and Reynolds American Inc., the largest U.S. tobacco companies. They said demand may rise for cigarettes unlawfully purchased in states with lower taxes and sold on the black market in New York.

“It is going to drive people away from buying cigarettes where taxes are paid,” David Sutton, an Altria spokesman in Richmond, Virginia, said today. “The revenue projection will fall short.”

Starting Sept. 1, New York plans to collect taxes on cigarettes sold on Indian reservations to people who don’t live there. The state hasn’t tried to make the collections since the early 1990s.

The tax on other tobacco products, including cigars, loose tobacco and chewing tobacco, will rise to 75 percent of the wholesale price, from 46 percent of the wholesale price on Aug. 1, according to Kriss, the spokesman for the Division of Budget.

That boost, combined with an increase in the tax on snuff to $2 per ounce, from 96 cents per ounce, will generate an additional $30 million, he said.

“It’s not fair, but if it wasn’t this, it’d be something else,” said Richard Battle-Baxter, 28, who said he’s smoked for four years. “I’m not quitting because of this, though. I’ve got too much stress.”

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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Tobacco producers and retailers said higher taxes encourage black-market sales and won’t generate anticipated revenue.

This is true. It will also generate more violent crime as the stakes become larger. If you can bootleg in cigarettes purchased over the border for 2 bucks a pack and then sell them for 7 or 8 bucks a pack you can make a hundred G's a truckload. The state of course collects no tax. Also one will see an increase in the highjacking of trucks hauling cigarettes.

Punitive taxation is simply unjust regardless, and I would applaud the gallant black marketeers - if it wasn't for the likely increase in violence.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   17:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach (#1)

I was paying $11 a pack until I quit 3 months ago today.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-01   17:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent, james deffenbach (#1)

no, you have it all wrong. raising taxes is THE ONLY WAY TO GO. if you dont, people will DIE, businesses will not come to the state, and anyone who opposes billions in new sales tax hates the state. of course im joking but those words are exactly what Az governor Jan Brewer said a short time ago regarding her 3 billion dollar sales tax increase. i will post the vid. yet she is being touted as some patriot conservative icon, with schoolgirl like giddiness unseen since sarah palin. yeegads is all i can say. im working on a report that will deconstruct & shatter the brewer myth. but the gop will champion her anyway, just like bush, romney & mccain. it's very sick.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-01   17:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

An opportunity to make a lot of money smuggling cigarettes.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-01   17:34:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: wudidiz (#2)

happy anniversary & keep up the good decision!

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-01   17:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#3)

no, you have it all wrong. raising taxes is THE ONLY WAY TO GO. if you dont, people will DIE, businesses will not come to the state, and anyone who opposes billions in new sales tax hates the state. of course im joking but those words are exactly what Az governor Jan Brewer said a short time ago regarding her 3 billion dollar sales tax increase. i will post the vid. yet she is being touted as some patriot conservative icon, with schoolgirl like giddiness unseen since sarah palin. yeegads is all i can say. im working on a report that will deconstruct & shatter the brewer myth. but the gop will champion her anyway, just like bush, romney & mccain. it's very sick.

Of course, I should have thought, tax increases always attract businesses.

And now for reality (strange in our current political clime I know). The Republicans are now Kennedy Democrats and the Democrats are now Socialists. And of course the citizenry only exists for one purpose - to support the government.

See, wasn't that simple?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   17:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

What a great opportunity for capitalists! I wish those participating in the government created black market well in their endeavors.

Guck the Fovernment!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-01   17:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#1)

Yes, government never seem to catch on about taxing things to the point of diminishing returns. But you can be sure that folks in the black market know all about it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-01   17:56:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: wudidiz (#2)

I was paying $11 a pack until I quit 3 months ago today.

Coolness. Tell them to take their tax and stuff it up their .... I should quit, but truthfully I enjoy it. However, rolling my own cuts the price to less than $4 per pack. Although they have stuck on so much in tax it is obscene. I recall in the mid 80's paying 35¢ per pack and a carton was $3.25.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   17:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: wudidiz (#2)

I was paying $11 a pack until I quit 3 months ago today.

I stopped something like 20 years ago and can remember paying as little as 25¢ a pack for them. Glad you quit though and congratulations.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-01   18:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: James Deffenbach (#8)

Yes, government never seem to catch on about taxing things to the point of diminishing returns. But you can be sure that folks in the black market know all about it.

Don't think of it as black marketeering think of it as arbitrage. ;-)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   18:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: James Deffenbach (#8)

folks in the black market

American heroes.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-01   18:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#6)

of course... tax increases always attract businesses

hahaha! no %$#@!! that's literally what she said. in research i found that karen johnson is running gainst brewer so that took precedent. i posted it, so if you didn't see it, please check it out. i'm not being mean when i say brewer is one shrill, creepy freakshow. (shivers)

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-01   18:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Turtle (#4)

An opportunity to make a lot of money smuggling cigarettes.

Indeed it would be. At those prices a couple of big loads should be enough to retire on. Assuming you didn't get caught.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-01   18:01:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#7)

What a great opportunity for capitalists! I wish those participating in the government created black market well in their endeavors.

So do I.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-01   18:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Artisan (#13)

I'll look a take see. (Newspeak for investigate.)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   18:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#11)

Don't think of it as black marketeering think of it as arbitrage. ;-)

LOL! I have nothing against the black market. It is a way of life for many.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-01   18:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: James Deffenbach (#14)

Indeed it would be. At those prices a couple of big loads should be enough to retire on. Assuming you didn't get caught.

You could run a trunkload in your car every once in a while, never have to work (or work part-time) and make a comfortable living.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-01   18:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: James Deffenbach, Turtle (#14)

Since the paperwork to track them is so copious I would expect the "real" operators to just hijack truck loads in order to keep the cigs from being traced. Better profit margin too. Pretty soon they'll need to post a "Shotgun" on Cigarette haulers. Thus restoring the term "ridin' shotgun" to its original meaning.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   18:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: James Deffenbach (#17)

I knew where to buy them black market even in the 80's - 3 cartons for ten bucks. Now the black marketeers can make a real killing - 3 cartons for $100 and people will think they are getting a deal.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   18:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Turtle, James Deffenbach (#18)

You could run a trunkload in your car every once in a while, never have to work (or work part-time) and make a comfortable living.

A new meaning for Tobacco road - just like runnin' shine'. My Grandfather made a good living as a distiller during prohibition. ;-)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   18:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent, Turtle (#20) (Edited)

I knew where to buy them black market even in the 80's - 3 cartons for ten bucks. Now the black marketeers can make a real killing - 3 cartons for $100 and people will think they are getting a deal.

There you go, Turtle. O_I has come up with a business plan for you. You can buy the cigarettes in a (relatively) low-tax state (NC) and sell them to nicotine-addicted New Yorkers and for a big profit.

edit: Just did some research and found that Virginia is the lowest state tax. And no getting around the federal excise tax that adds about a buck a pack to the cost.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-01   18:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#21)

just like runnin' shine'.

Wazzat? >(;^{]

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-01   18:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: James Deffenbach (#23)

just like runnin' shine'.

Wazzat? >(;^{]

Kind of like chasing White Lightning Bugs.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   18:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent (#24)

Oh yeah.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-01   19:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-01   19:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#26)

Couldn't pay me to live in New York. At least not in New York City. I have heard that some parts of the state were nice and I suspect that's true. You would be hard pressed to find any state in the US that didn't have SOME nice part(s).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-01   20:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: James Deffenbach (#27)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-01   20:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Why not make cigarettes out of tea leaves? They might even be good for people's health then. Do the cigarette Nazis really want people to quit smoking enough to make up the lost taxes out of their pockets? Nah, just enough that businesses like taverns and restraunts and such fold so they can be bought up cheap. I have never heard them complain about second hand smoke from anyone burning the American flag. They don't seem to mind the second hand smoke pouring out of industrial smokestacks much either.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-02   1:14:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#21)

My Grandfather made a good living as a distiller during prohibition. ;-)

Copperhead Road

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-07-02   4:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: HOUNDDAWG, Original_Intent (#30)

I went to that concert.

music.aol.com/video/coppe...-road/steve-earle/1346563


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-02   4:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent (#31)

If this is easier....

beemp3.com/download.php?f...5225&song=Copperhead+Road

Much better quality I think.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-02   5:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: wudidiz (#31)

I went to that concert.

Outstanding!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-07-02   5:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: GreyLmist (#29)

Why not make cigarettes out of tea leaves? They might even be good for people's health then.

I can't imagine taking smoke into your lungs is very healthy no matter what it is you're burning. I'm not a smoking Nazi though. Used to smoke and smoke a lot but I don't go around screaming at people to put out their cigarettes and stuff. People have to learn, usually the hard way, that smoking just isn't good for them. Then most of them will quit. But it will be because they want to, not because someone else wants them to.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-02   9:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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