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Title: Jesus was not a Jew
Source: jesuswasnotajew
URL Source: http://www.jesuswasnotajew.com/
Published: Jul 1, 2010
Author: Pastor Eli
Post Date: 2010-07-01 17:13:54 by Itistoolate
Keywords: None
Views: 3846
Comments: 92

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#3. To: Itistoolate (#0)

What do you think he was, Muslim? He was an Essene Jew, also known as Nazarene.

ESSENE CHRISTIANITY VERSUS PAULIANITY

The Gospels that reside in the New Testament were not written by his apostles, and that is fairly easily seen if you look into the origins of the New Testament.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-01   17:42:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Jesus was NOT a Jew!!! Christian Israel Heritage Truth

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-07-01   18:06:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Jesus was NOT a Jew!!!

BTW IATL, I guess you don't believe that stuff about Moses or how God created Man in Their own Image, right?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-01   18:52:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

# Articles of Proof

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Itistoolate  posted on  2010-07-01   18:57:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Articles of Proof

Paul was an agent of Rome, and never met Jesus. Paul persecuted the true followers of Jesus, and had them rounded up and murdered.

That's if THOSE historical legends are indeed true. If you look at the links I provided, you'll find that the very body which spawned modern day Christianity admits that the New Testament didn't exist till the 4th century, ie. over 400 years after the birth of Jesus. So NONE of the "letters" from any of the apostles are legitimate, they are all forgeries.

Again, even excluding the very real fact that the New Testament was basically the creation of authors commissioned by Constantine, I can't see how you can deny that the Jesus of the Bible was Jewish. Do you not believe anything in the Old Testament?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-01   19:05:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Paul was an agent of Rome, and never met Jesus. Paul persecuted the true followers of Jesus, and had them rounded up and murdered.

That's if THOSE historical legends are indeed true. If you look at the links I provided, you'll find that the very body which spawned modern day Christianity admits that the New Testament didn't exist till the 4th century, ie. over 400 years after the birth of Jesus. So NONE of the "letters" from any of the apostles are legitimate, they are all forgeries.

I've read that about St Paul and I'm not going to spend energy on that at the moment.

The problem with the forgery argument is that there are quite a few Church Fathers scattered in various places who quote verbatim from the Gospels in the first and second centuries. St Polycarp was a disciple of St John. St Ignatius was the child seated on the lap of Christ in the Gospels and knew the disciples well. The Didache is most likely the Apostolic Decree mentioned in the Book of Acts. St Justin the Martyr quoted heavily from the Old and New Testament. All of these quote the Gospels. Another issue is saying the Catholic Church is hopelessly corrupted and has altered scriptures or invented them as needed, and I'm specifically referring to the idea of the New Testament as whole being a forgery. That's well and fine, but then you'd have to prove the Eastern Orthodox Church did the same, and not only them, but the Coptic Church as well. And then you'd have to prove these Church Fathers are all forgeries too since they are witnesses and the Orthodox and Copts are in on it as well.

But the real issue is Constantine. And you need to understand why the first Council was called. St Polycarp held to a fixed date of Nissan 14 to celebrate Pascha (Easter) in the tradition of St John. Others in the Church held a floating date. These two parties agreed to disagree but this issue finally came to a head in the reign of Constantine. Another issue was Arius teaching Christ was a created being, thus not always eternal. It was the basis of many bitter disputes between churches. The resolution to this was the creation of the Nicene Creed. If memory serves, the Council refused to go along with Constantine's wishes on what to do with the followers of Arius. There were leftover issues from the early Gnostics and their scriptures. There were issues about what should be in the canon of Scripture since some regions held some books to be part of the Canon while others did not (Didache, Book of the Apocalypse/Revelation as examples). So the argument can be made that the Church at some point had to put pen to paper and state what writings constituted Scripture. The first Council started this process, but it did not end for several hundred more years. But to be fair, when reading Irenaeus of Lyons and Origen, there was already pretty solid agreement about what was and what was not Scripture outside a handful of writings like mentioned above. And this was 200 years prior to the first Council.

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