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Title: Jesus was not a Jew
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Published: Jul 1, 2010
Author: Pastor Eli
Post Date: 2010-07-01 17:13:54 by Itistoolate
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#6. To: Itistoolate, all (#0)
Jesus was a Palestinian.
You're really stupid.
Your witty commentary really brings something special to the site. If we can't have yukon, at least we've got you.
Well Riggs. Saying Jesus wasn't a Jew is kind of stupid, or ignorant at best. So I can't call them smart.
You know Stone, I have to agree with you here.
Here are the Jews acknowledging Jesus as one of their own.
Interesting thing about that. If you were to read the Gospels in the order in which they were written, you'd notice that in the first one, Mark, it's the Romans who are the villians. Under most circumstances, earlier sources are more accurate than later ones. With the passage of time, each additional Gospel shifted more of the blame to the Jews, until by the time John was written poor old Pontius Pilate was as much of a victim of the Jews as was Jesus. Writers tailor their material to the times they're writing in, and the old timers were no different. As Christianity grew as a religion, the hostility between it and Judaism became more pronounced.
No Gospel denies that Jesus made a whip to expel the merchants and priests in the Jewish temple, that Jewish mobs tried to kill Jesus on several occasions, or told the Roman Pilate the guilt of taking an innocent man's blood should be on the Jewish people and on their descendants. Since all Gospels state the Jews explicitly told the Roman governor he was not to blame for Jesus's death, your misinterpretations of any Gospels as blaming the Romans have no merit.
You need to read more deeply. The only Gospel that says anything about blood on the hands is John. But more to the point, no Gospel is an eyewitness account of anything, since they were all written long after the events took place. They were then copied, edited, and translated. Errors and changes crept in at every stage. They're all based on oral history mixed in with the writer's bias. The only thing that's certain is that Jesus was an Apocalyptic Jew, like his mentor John the Baptist.
Wrong, and nowhere in the following passages is any reference to any Gospel blaming the Romans. Matthew 27: 19-25 19 While Pilate was sitting on the judge's seat, his wife sent him this message: "Don't have anything to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him." 20 But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed. 21 "Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" asked the governor. "Barabbas," they answered. 22 "What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate asked. They all answered, "Crucify him!" 23 "Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!" 24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!" 25 All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!" Mark 15: 6-15 6 Now it was the custom at the Feast to release a prisoner whom the people requested. 7 A man called Barabbas was in prison with the insurrectionists who had committed murder in the uprising. 8 The crowd came up and asked Pilate to do for them what he usually did. 9 "Do you want me to release to you the king of the Jews?" asked Pilate, 10 knowing it was out of envy that the chief priests had handed Jesus over to him. 11 But the chief priests stirred up the crowd to have Pilate release Barabbas instead. 12 "What shall I do, then, with the one you call the king of the Jews?" Pilate asked them. 13 "Crucify him!" they shouted. 14 "Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!" 15 Wanting to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. He had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified. Luke 23: 13-23 13 Pilate called together the chief priests, the rulers and the people, 14 and said to them, "You brought me this man as one who was inciting the people to rebellion. I have examined him in your presence and have found no basis for your charges against him." 15 Neither has Herod, for he sent him back to us; as you can see, he has done nothing to deserve death. 16 Therefore, I will punish him and then release him."[c] 18 With one voice they cried out, "Away with this man! Release Barabbas to us!" 19 (Barabbas had been thrown into prison for an insurrection in the city, and for murder.) 20 Wanting to release Jesus, Pilate appealed to them again. 21 But they kept shouting, "Crucify him! Crucify him!" 22 For the third time he spoke to them: "Why? What crime has this man committed? I have found in him no grounds for the death penalty. Therefore I will have him punished and then release him." 23 But with loud shouts they insistently demanded that he be crucified, and their shouts prevailed. 24 So Pilate decided to grant their demand. 25 He released the man who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, the one they asked for, and surrendered Jesus to their will. 2 The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe 3 and went up to him again and again, saying, "Hail, king of the Jews!" And they struck him in the face. 4 Once more Pilate came out and said to the Jews, "Look, I am bringing him out to you to let you know that I find no basis for a charge against him." 5 When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, "Here is the man!" 6 As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him, they shouted, "Crucify! Crucify!" But Pilate answered, "You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him." 7 The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God." 8 When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid, 9 and he went back inside the palace. "Where do you come from?" he asked Jesus, but Jesus gave him no answer. 10 "Do you refuse to speak to me?" Pilate said. "Don't you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?" 11 Jesus answered, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin." 12 From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free, but the Jews kept shouting, "If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar." 13 When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge's seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha). 14 It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour. "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews. 15 But they shouted, "Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!" "Shall I crucify your king?" Pilate asked. "We have no king but Caesar," the chief priests answered. 16 Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified
There is exactly zero historical evidence backing up this statement, and history is all I'm interested in here. You can believe the religious crap if you like, but it's not history, it's legend.
#66. To: JRiggs, X-15, FormerLurker (#64)
So saith you, while revealing your true agenda. As if what you assert with even less history to it is is not legend.
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#29. To: wudidiz (#6)
Jesus was a Palestinian.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#29)
#37. To: JRiggs (#36)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)
Well Riggs. Saying Jesus wasn't a Jew is kind of stupid, or ignorant at best.
#39. To: JRiggs, A K A Stone, Former Lurker, (#38)
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#40. To: AGAviator (#39)
#45. To: JRiggs, former Lurker, X-15 (#40)
If you were to read the Gospels in the order in which they were written, you'd notice that in the first one, Mark, it's the Romans who are the villians. Under most circumstances, earlier sources are more accurate than later ones.
#46. To: AGAviator (#45)
No Gospel denies that Jesus made a whip to expel the merchants and priests in the Jewish temple, that Jewish mobs tried to kill Jesus on several occasions, or told the Roman Pilate the guilt of taking an innocent man's blood should be on the Jewish people and on their descendants.
#50. To: JRiggs, X-15, Former Lurker (#46)
You need to read more deeply. The only Gospel that says anything about blood on the hands is John.
John 19: 1-16 1 Then Pilate took Jesus and had him flogged.
#64. To: AGAviator (#50)
Now it was the custom at the Feast to release a prisoner whom the people requested.
Replies to Comment # 64. You can believe the religious crap if you like, but it's not history, it's legend
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