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Title: Google kills Scroogle??
Source: Scroogle
URL Source: http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi
Published: Jul 1, 2010
Author: Daniel Brandt
Post Date: 2010-07-01 20:09:51 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 261
Comments: 23

July 1, 2010: Here we go again...

We regret to announce that our Google scraper may have to be permanently retired, thanks to a change at Google. It depends on whether Google is willing to restore the simple interface that we've been scraping since Scroogle started five years ago. Actually, we've been using that interface for scraping since Google-Watch.org began in 2002.

This interface (here's a sample from years ago) was remarkably stable all that time. During those eight years there were only about five changes that required some programming adjustments. Also, this interface was available at every Google data center in exactly the same form, which allowed us to use 700 IP addresses for Google.

That interface was at www.google.com/ie but on May 10, 2010 they took it down and inserted a redirect to /toolbar/ie8/sidebar.html. It used to have a search box, and the results it showed were generic during that entire time. It didn't show the snippets unless you moused-over the links it produced (they were there for our program, so that was okay), and it has never had any ads. Our impression was that these results were from Google's basic algorithms, and that extra features and ads were added on top of these generic results. Three years ago Google launched "Universal Search," which meant that they added results from other Google services on their pages. But this simple interface we were using was not affected at all.

It is not possible to continue Scroogle unless we have a simple interface that is stable. Google's main consumer-oriented interface that they want everyone to use is too complex, too bloated, and changes too frequently, to make our scraping operation possible.

After a lot of suggestions from Scroogle users, and a fair amount of publicity, we found a fix and Scroogle was back in 24 hours. This fix was to insert an extra parameter, &output=ie, into the search terms that were relayed to Google. The extra parameter recovered the same interface that we thought was gone forever.

Now it seems like it actually might be gone forever. Late on June 30, 2010, the results produced while using this parameter began to shift to the usual busy Google interface with ads and a left-margin sidebar. Scroogle users saw a Scroogle page that said, "Google returned no results for this search," when in fact Google returned results but our scraper was unable to deal with them. Over the next few days we will attempt to contact Google and determine whether the old interface is gone as a matter of policy at Google, or if they simply have it hidden somewhere and will tell us where it is so that we can continue to use it.

Thank you for your support during these past five years. Check back in a week or so; if we don't hear from Google by next week, I think we can all assume that Google would rather have no Scroogle, and no privacy for searchers.

— Daniel Brandt, Public Information Research, scroogle AT lavabit.com

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#1. To: X-15 (#0)

Soon, goog, will own the cyber-world.

Rat-bastards.

Lod  posted on  2010-07-01   21:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

scroogle.com is a porn site. Ok I get it now. scroogle.org.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-01   21:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite, christine (#0)

Can either of you recommend a search engine besides "Google", or another anonymous method of accessing the internet. I don't want to give my internet search info to Google.

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Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-07-01   22:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#3)

Can either of you recommend a search engine besides "Google", or another anonymous method of accessing the internet. I don't want to give my internet search info to Google.

https://startpage.com/

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-01   22:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: X-15 (#3)

Try www.ixquick.com/

I refuse to use Google most of the time and ixquick does not record IP's or your search results.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   22:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#2)

I didn't know that. Thanks for the warning.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-01   22:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent, GreyLmist (#5)

Startpage is powered by Ixquick.com - the world's most private search engine. Startpage and Ixquick are one and the same. Startpage is just easier to remember.

Looks like they're the same. Thanks GreyLmist and O_I

__________________________________________________________
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-07-01   22:30:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: X-15 (#7)

You are most welcome.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-01   22:36:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: X-15 (#7)

You're welcome, X-15.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-07-01   22:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: X-15 (#7)

christine  posted on  2010-07-01   23:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: X-15 (#3)

I usually use clusty.com. Does a decent job. I only use google if I can't find what I want on clusty, which is rare.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-07-01   23:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine, Pinguinite (#10)

Thank you Christine and Neil.

I fully believe that at some point our internet searches will come under some kind of FedGov scrutiny and judgement.

__________________________________________________________
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-07-01   23:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite, X-15 (#11)

ah. i like that one. one thing i find annoying with startpage is that when i click on an image it disappears. i have to refresh the page several times before i can capture it.

christine  posted on  2010-07-02   0:03:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: X-15, Lod, AKA Stone, GreyLmist, Original_Intent, christine, pinguinite (#0)

Scroogle search is back up.

he who wants bread is the servant of the man that will feed him, if a man thus feeds a whole people, they are under his control.

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2010-07-13   18:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: DeaconBenjamin (#14)

Cool. I like Scroogle.

__________________________________________________________
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-07-13   22:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: X-15, DeaconBenjamin (#15)

http://scroogle.com/ was bought by a porno site.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   22:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#16)

Gross.

Trying to trip up folks who make a typo.

__________________________________________________________
Obama is the miscegenated bastard of a white communist whore. True story.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-07-13   23:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: X-15 (#17)

ebay put scroogle six feet under.

Didn't stand a chance.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   23:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#11)

I usually use clusty.com. Does a decent job. I only use google if I can't find what I want on clusty, which is rare.

On May 14 2010, Clusty was acquired by Yippy, Inc., an Internet startup ... A cluster is a group of similar topics that are related to the original query. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clusty

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2010-07-13   23:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#16)

Which is why you use .org

he who wants bread is the servant of the man that will feed him, if a man thus feeds a whole people, they are under his control.

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2010-07-13   23:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TwentyTwelve (#19)

THIS one is good for electronics.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-13   23:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TwentyTwelve (#19)

I saw it changed to yippy, but that yippy.com didn't bring it up.

I guess google will eventually buy yippy.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-07-14   1:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: TwentyTwelve (#19)

NOT HALF BAD

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-14   22:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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