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Title: The Sweet Smell of Victory
Source: Myself
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Published: Jul 2, 2010
Author: ghostdogtxn
Post Date: 2010-07-02 16:42:07 by ghostdogtxn
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#7. To: ghostdogtxn (#0) (Edited)

I think being a libertarian means that I support the right of people to move freely about to find a better life, even if it means crossing some line in the sand, and even if that line is a border.

....but not if that "line in the sand" or that border happens to be the edge of your own lot or acreage. Or the inside of your house or home. It becomes a matter of degree, or.........it's OK in your backyard but not in MY backyard! :)

Bub  posted on  2010-07-02   19:42:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think being a libertarian means that I support the right of people to move freely about to find a better life, even if it means crossing some line in the sand, and even if that line is a border.

....but not if that "line in the sand" or that border happens to be the edge of your own lot or acreage. Or the inside of your house or home. It becomes a matter of degree, or.........it's OK in your backyard but not in MY backyard! :)

This the argument that basically I would have made.

A property line is not merely an arbitrary "line in the sand" it is a demarcation establishing the boundaries of an ownership right. And certainly the right to own property is a libertarian principle, as is a contract.

The boundaries of a country are lines establishing the property line i.e., ownership. How that property is maintained and defended is governed by law. The law is established upon the basis of a contract called the Constitution, both of the nation and of the state. The use of that property and the right of use are established by those rules and laws which establish an ownership share called citizenship. As a legal citizen a person is party to the aforementioned contract and as such has an ownership right as delineated by the covenants we call law.

An illegal alien is someone not a party to the contract nor ceded a limited use such as a Green Card. They are basically trespassing unlawfully upon the property of another i.e., the citizens of the United States. As such they are in violation of the property rights of another and should be dealt with as such i.e., kicked out.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-02   20:52:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A property line is not merely an arbitrary "line in the sand" it is a demarcation establishing the boundaries of an ownership right. And certainly the right to own property is a libertarian principle, as is a contract.

The boundaries of a country are lines establishing the property line i.e., ownership. How that property is maintained and defended is governed by law. The law is established upon the basis of a contract called the Constitution, both of the nation and of the state. The use of that property and the right of use are established by those rules and laws which establish an ownership share called citizenship. As a legal citizen a person is party to the aforementioned contract and as such has an ownership right as delineated by the covenants we call law.

outstanding..that's the best and most fair argument i've read against illegals.

christine  posted on  2010-07-02   21:09:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#14. To: christine (#13)

Thank you. Although I expressed it formally it has been my basic point of view for sometime. After all what is a nation? It is nothing more than the agreements of a group to band together under a system of common beliefs. The land upon which they live, their property, is parceled in accord with the rules they establish, and the group's territory is all that land within those arbitrary lines on a map. Which are not so arbitrary when you think about it.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-02 21:37:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

outstanding..that's the best and most fair argument i've read against illegals.

Why doesn't ol' O_I belt out "PRIVATE" or "PERSONAL" or "CITIZEN" rights if his libertarian thesis is all that HOT?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-02 21:50:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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