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Title: Barack Obama: Shape Shifting Reptilian Overlord or Pure Human?
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Published: Jul 4, 2010
Author: russell huebsch
Post Date: 2010-07-04 14:41:52 by Turtle
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Views: 16420
Comments: 362

Is Barack Obama really a shape shifting reptilian humanoid from a far away galaxy bent on the enslavement of the human race? According to David Icke, who claims on his web site that most world leaders come from a line of reptilians originating in the Alpha Draconis, Barack Obama is most likely a blood drinking shape shifter bent on progressing the New World Order. Icke's reptilian theory makes the claim that reptilians plan to control humanity and other civilizations through fear and negative emotion, a food source for the reptilian. Icke believes the reptilians plan for world domination started to unravel with the September 11 attacks on New York and Obama's presidency will lead us into this "New World Order", but is this just mere babbling from a sick mind or does this theory have some legitimacy? Here are signs that the Obama reptilian conspiracy is true.

"Change we need": Has Obama told us all along that he is a changeling/shape shifting reptilian? Think about it, change always happens when a new president enters office, perhaps Obama's corporeal body is crying out to the world that a shape shifting reptilian alien has hijacked his avatar. "Change" might also be a code word for reptilian dictators across the globe that America has elected another shape shifter as president. Even Adolph Hitler claimed to bring change for the German people, but as we know all the only thing the world received from Hitler was millions of lost lives and the genocide of an entire race of people. Whatever this "change" really means it certainly does not bode well for the future of America and even worse for the human race.

The questionable birth certificate: Why would any presidential candidate try so desperately to hide a real birth certificate? Perhaps because reptilian overlords do not receive birth certificates, they congeal out of a pile of goo! The voting public would never vote for a space reptilian and if the plan for world domination ever leaked to the general there would be mass chaos, thus the Republican party could never reveal Obama's true ancestry and the reptilian conspiracy continues.

Poster Comment:

I always thought Obama was just half kaffir and half white trash race traitor. But perhaps he's a David Icke blood-drinking shape-shifting space reptile...

I, for one, welcome our new reptilian overloads. I'll point out to them all my enemies, so they can eat them.

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#116. To: FormerLurker (#113)

that link talks about the COLLAPSE energy,

Arm-waving. The impacts had to have enough energy to initiate the collapses.

I'm curious. How does it feel to be dead-ass wrong almost every single time you open your mouth or hit the "post" key. With the exception of the impact speeds.

B-25 Empire State Building Collision (Compared to Boeing 767 WTC)

The twin towers of the World Trade Center, by comparison, were struck by Boeing 767 airliners traveling over twice as fast and weighing nearly 15 times as much as a B-25. The energy of impact for the two planes ranged from 2 billion ft-lb (2.6 billion Joules) to 3 billion ft-lb (4.1 billion Joules), some 60 to 100 times greater than that absorbed by the Empire State Building.

This estimate is also conservative

since it does not account for the energy released by the exploding jet fuel, which greatly exceeded the energy released by the much smaller B-25 fuel supply as well. The greater kinetic energy allowed the 767 aircraft to penetrate much further into the twin towers than the B-25 was able to do at the Empire State Building.

Most of the B-25 impact was absorbed by the building's exterior wall leaving very little to damage the interior structure. The 767 impacts, however, not only produced gaping holes in the WTC exterior but also destroyed much of the structural core at the center of each tower.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#117. To: Turtle (#0)

the only thing the world received from Hitler was millions of lost lives and the genocide of an entire race of people.

Even in tabloids the hoax has to be reinforced, albeit in a sarcastic way.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-07-07   16:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#118. To: AGAviator (#112) (Edited)

The above numbers are are correct. However given that kinetic energy from crashes depends on velocity squared, the energy rekleased from the crashes was still billions of joules: "Gigajoules"

Since you can't show the calculations yourself, let me help.

First off the maximum takeoff weight for a 767-200 is 315,000 lbs. The planes were NOT carrying maximum fuel as they were on a continental flight vs a transoceanic or intercontinental flight. But we'll work with the maximum figure anyways.

Here's the equation;

E = 1/2 mv2, where E = energy (joules), m = mass (kilograms), and v = velocity (meters/second)

Converting pounds to kilograms, the max weight of the aircraft is as follows;

1 pound = 0.45359237 kilograms

315,000 lbs. = 14,881.6 kg [Edit: I inadvertantly copied the result wrong, it's off by a factor of 10, so the actual value should be 148,816 kg - FL]

Now for velocity, we'll convert mph to meters per second.

1 mph = 0.44704 meters per second

For the fastest plane, the velocity specified in the NIST reports was 546 mph.

546 mph = 244.1 meters per second

Plugging the values into the formula we have this...

(14,881.6 kg * (244.1 m/s)2)/2 = 443,358,664 joules, or 443.4 MEGA Joules.

[Edit: 4.434 GIGA Joules- FL]

That's a THOUSAND [Edit: ok, so I was off - FL] times less energy than you claim.

And that's with the HIGHEST values for weight and speed, where the actual weight was less.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#119. To: Flintlock (#115)

It was a simple question yet you're afraid to answer it with a yes or no.

Let me repeat it:

Are you saying that the government's account of 911 is the truth?

The only place a "government account of 911" exists is in your addled brain.

Cite specific reports, dealing with specific subjects, instead of armwaving k00kblather about the gubmint conspiracies.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#120. To: FormerLurker (#118) (Edited)

And that's with the HIGHEST values for weight and speed, where the actual weight was less.

Already answered above Post #116, and you aren't including the energy from the jet fuel.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#121. To: AGAviator (#114)

So a bunch of un-degreed kiddies without any real world credentials or expertise demanding

So you ignore the 1222 DEGREED experts and hop on the students, what a honest person you are...

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#122. To: FormerLurker (#104)

the most truthful account of 911 comes from Osama Bin Laden in October 2004 which I posted above

Bin Laden died in December of 2001.

Lessee - my memory is hazy did Osama Ben Forgotten die before the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp or after the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp?

I know it was before the amazing Nick Berg video PsyOp where he gets his head cut off by a Russian Speaking Muslim with a gold ring (forbidden in Islam) onlooking, with his turban tied the wrong way, and doesn't bleed from the severed Carotid Artery.

Oh, and you can always tell when you are dealing with a "hired gun" disinformationist because they will never admit to ANY inconsistency in the "Official Conspiracy Theory™".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#123. To: AGAviator (#120)

Already answered above, and you aren't including the energy from the jet fuel.

Are you dense? The maximum takeoff weight INCLUDES the weight of the fuel there genius.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#124. To: AGAviator (#119)

The only place a "government account of 911" exists is in your addled brain.

YOU are reciting the "government account of 9/11" here, and reject any physical evidence which contradicts your religious belief in the "official 9/11 story".

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#125. To: FormerLurker (#121)

So you ignore the 1222 DEGREED

Oh goodie, they have degrees.

Where's their report? With facts, interviews, tables, and conclusions.

And what does asking for an independent investigation have to do with saying something is totally false, hmm? Which they do not say at all.

Is their report going to show up in some "Send $800 to Dubai to Get Published" journal?

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:19:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#126. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#121)

So a bunch of un-degreed kiddies without any real world credentials or expertise demanding

So you ignore the 1222 DEGREED experts and hop on the students, what a honest person you are...

It is always amusing, and always predictable, that when you corner a Septic/Disinformationist that they will focus on a minor detail and attempt to inflate it into a Strawman Argument to divert from the point they are unwilling or unable to address without having their argument filed in "File 13". Next he'll try "Peak Oil" or "Glowbull Warming".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#127. To: AGAviator (#116) (Edited)

The twin towers of the World Trade Center, by comparison, were struck by Boeing 767 airliners traveling over twice as fast and weighing nearly 15 times as much as a B-25. The energy of impact for the two planes ranged from 2 billion ft-lb (2.6 billion Joules) to 3 billion ft-lb (4.1 billion Joules), some 60 to 100 times greater than that absorbed by the Empire State Building.

That is an outright lie, as can be easily seen by anyone with an understanding of high school physics and the ability to look up specs from Boeing.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:19:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#128. To: AGAviator (#125)

Oh goodie, they have degrees.

Where's their report? With facts, interviews, tables, and conclusions.

Are you too freaking lazy to click the link?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#129. To: FormerLurker (#124)

YOU are reciting the "government account of 9/11" here

Projection and arm waving.

Once again, cite specific documents, subject matter, conclusions, and facts.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#130. To: AGAviator (#97)

And that massiive distribution of energy reverberated throughout the buildings and started shaking things loose, causing eventual collapses.

You got to be one of the dumbest Israeli boot lickers of all time.

The buildings were designed to withstand jet planes hitting them. They were designed to sway in strong winds. The impact didn't cause the building to sway any more than a windy day would. The wind never shook things loose and caused it to collapse in all the years it was standing. The 1975 fire in the North tower, which was much longer and hotter than those of 9/11, didn't melt the steel starting a collapse. Go ask your uncle izzie if he will help you with this one. LOL!

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-07-07   16:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#131. To: Original_Intent (#126)

When it's obvious the person is ignoring actual evidence that is provided, comes up with false figures and fabricated "facts", and continuously asks for "proof" which has already been provided, you know you're not talking with someone who is here to discuss something rationally.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:21:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#132. To: AGAviator (#129)

Projection and arm waving.

Oh, then what are YOU doing? Where are you pulling your "facts" from, your ass?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#133. To: AGAviator (#119)

instead of armwaving k00kblather about the gubmint conspiracies.

The KOOK here is you, where you pull numbers out of the air with no basis in fact, and present them as scientific evidence.

Besides, point out ONE post I've made on this thread which mentions "gubmint conspiracies". Guilty conscience, eh?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#134. To: FormerLurker (#127)

That is an outright lie, as can be easily seen by anyone with an understanding of high school physics and the ability to look up specs from Boing.

So show the calculations, windbag.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#135. To: FormerLurker (#132)

Projection and arm waving. Oh, then what are YOU doing? Where are you pulling your "facts" from, your ass?

I have posted and linked from one source after another.

Next.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#136. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, all (#125)

So you ignore the 1222 DEGREED

Oh goodie, they have degrees.

Where's their report? With facts, interviews, tables, and conclusions.

And what does asking for an independent investigation have to do with saying something is totally false, hmm? Which they do not say at all.

Is their report going to show up in some "Send $800 to Dubai to Get Published" journal?

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

Oh goodie, they have degrees.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

Where's their report? With facts, interviews, tables, and conclusions.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

Example: 'Since you know so much, if James Earl Ray is as innocent as you claim, who really killed Martin Luther King, how was it planned and executed, how did they frame Ray and fool the FBI, and why?'

And what does asking for an independent investigation have to do with saying something is totally false, hmm? Which they do not say at all.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

Is their report going to show up in some "Send $800 to Dubai to Get Published" journal?

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

Example: 'With the talk-show circuit and the book deal, it looks like you can make a pretty good living spreading lies.'

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:29:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#137. To: AGAviator (#135)

I have posted and linked from one source after another.

You have posted from KOOK sites which lie about the impact energy, that and YOU have either lied in presenting the collapse energy as the impact energy, or you're too stupid to know the difference between the two.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#138. To: FormerLurker (#131)

When it's obvious the person is ignoring actual evidence that is provided, comes up with false figures and fabricated "facts", and continuously asks for "proof" which has already been provided, you know you're not talking with someone who is here to discuss something rationally.

Yes, that became readily apparent, oh, say, 75 to 100 posts ago. ;-)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#139. To: AGAviator (#134)

So show the calculations, windbag.

Hey genius, look at post 118, it's pretty simple to calculate the MAXIMUM possible energy value, and that would equal 443 Mega Joules, NOT Giga Joules.

Can you follow simple math?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#140. To: RickyJ (#130)

The buildings were designed to withstand jet planes hitting them.

And the Titanic was designed to be unsinkable.

The buildings were not designed to have impacts at full throttle, loaded with fuel for a trip across the country, shearing off of spray on fire protection, and impact speed great enough to cause penetration and severing of critical internal support columns.

All aircraft within city boundaries are expected to fly below 250 Knots. No exceptions, even if explicitly authorized. The jets were traveling hundreds of MPH over that.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#141. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#139)

So show the calculations, windbag.

Hey genius, look at post 118, it's pretty simple to calculate the MAXIMUM possible energy value, and that would equal 443 Mega Joules, NOT Giga Joules.

Can you follow simple math?

That would require doing something not in the briefing book and tactics manual. Math?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#142. To: FormerLurker (#139)

Hey genius, look at post 118,

Already answered #116. Try to keep up. I know it's difficult.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:37:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#143. To: FormerLurker (#123)

The maximum takeoff weight INCLUDES the weight of the fuel there genius.

Moron, when fuel burns it releases energy totally separate from its weight.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#144. To: Original_Intent (#141)

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#145. To: AGAviator (#143)

Moron, when fuel burns it releases energy totally separate from its weight.

In terms of IMPACT ENERGY, which YOU are trying to present in values THOUSANDS of times higher than physically possible, the weight of the airplane and fuel are the proper factors.

When fuel burns, it release HEAT, not KINETIC energy.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#146. To: AGAviator (#142)

Already answered #116. Try to keep up. I know it's difficult.

Post 116 is bullshit, and presents lies as facts.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#147. To: Original_Intent (#122) (Edited)

Lessee - my memory is hazy did Osama Ben Forgotten die before the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp or after the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp?

Who was telling the entire United States, on national TV, speaking in Arabic, in October 2004, that the military industrial complex was running America, that America was attacked not because of Muslims hating freedom but because of American support of Israel, and that ultimately America would become bankrupted fighting Middle East wars just as Russia got bankrupted in Afghanistan?

Who exactly was on the TV at that time criticizing just about every conceivable action taken by the USG in its WOT and pursuit of OBL, idjit?

Your mother?

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

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AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#148. To: FormerLurker (#145)

In terms of IMPACT ENERGY, which YOU are trying to present in values

I never used impact energy. All energy must be considered. No cherry picking.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#149. To: AGAviator (#142) (Edited)

Already answered #116. Try to keep up. I know it's difficult.

Show me the math. I used the reported velocity and the known MAXIMUM weight of the aircraft, and simple physics and math to arrive at the easily calculated MAXIMUM KINETIC ENERGY of the IMPACT.

YOU show me how you can arrive at a figure in the GIGAJOULES range. And I don't want some BS link, I want YOU to present the values and the math.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#150. To: AGAviator (#148)

I never used impact energy. All energy must be considered. No cherry picking.

You can't mix apples with oranges and come out with a solution in cherries.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#151. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, RicyJ, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, all (#140)

The buildings were designed to withstand jet planes hitting them.

And the Titanic was designed to be unsinkable.

Weak Analogy

The buildings were not designed to have impacts at full throttle, loaded with fuel for a trip across the country, shearing off of spray on fire protection, and impact speed great enough to cause penetration and severing of critical internal support columns.

The buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a comparably sized Boeing 707.

All aircraft within city boundaries are expected to fly below 250 Knots. No exceptions, even if explicitly authorized. The jets were traveling hundreds of MPH over that.

"...In the early 1970's the World Trade Center's chief structural engineer, Leslie Robertson, calculated the effect of the impact of a Boeing 707 with the World Trade Center towers. His results were reported in the New York Times where it was claimed that Robertson's study proved the towers would withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 moving at 600 miles an hour. Little did he know that decades later two aircraft, almost identical to the Boeing 707, would impact the towers.

Other engineers are on public record as saying that the World Trade Center would even survive an impact of the larger and faster Boeing 747.

The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 707-320B is 336,000 pounds.
The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 767-200ER is 395,000 pounds.

The wingspan of a Boeing 707 is 146 feet.
The wingspan of a Boeing 767 is 156 feet.

The length of a Boeing 707 is 153 feet.
The length of a Boeing 767 is 159 feet.

The Boeing 707 could carry 23,000 gallons of fuel.
The Boeing 767 could carry 23,980 gallons of fuel.

However, the actual aircraft involved in the World Trade Center impacts were only flying from Boston to Los Angeles, and consequently, would have been nowhere near fully fueled on takeoff (the Boeing 767 has a maximum range of 7,600 miles (12,220 km)). The aircraft would have carried just enough fuel for the trip together with some safety factor. Remember, that carrying excess fuel means higher fuel bills and less paying passengers. The aircraft would have also burnt some fuel between Boston and New York.

Government sources estimate that each of the Boeing 767's had approximately 10,000 gallons of unused fuel on board at the times of impact."

A 707 has a faster cruising speed than a 767.

The cruise speed of a Boeing 707 is 607 mph = 890 ft/s,
The cruise speed of a Boeing 767 is 530 mph = 777 ft/s.

So, the Boeing 707 and 767 are very similar aircraft, with the main differences being that the 767 is slightly heavier and more fuel-efficient, and the 707 is faster.

The thrust to weight ratio for a Boeing 707 is 4 x 18,000/336,000 = 0.214286.

The thrust to weight ratio for a Boeing 767 is 2 x 31,500/395,000 = 0.159494.

Since the Boeing 707 had a higher thrust to weight ratio, it would be traveling faster on take-off and on landing.

And, since the Boeing 707 would have started from a faster cruise speed, it would be traveling faster in a dive. So in all the likely variations of an accidental impact with the WTC, the Boeing 707 would be traveling faster. In terms of impact damage, this higher speed would more than compensate for the slightly lower weight of the Boeing 707.

The speed of impact of AA Flight 11 has been estimated to be 470 mph = 689 ft/s.
The speed of impact of UA Flight 175 has been estimated to be 590 mph = 865 ft/s.

The kinetic energy released by the impact of AA Flight 11 was
= 0.5 x 395,000 x (689)2/32.174
= 2.914 billion ft lbs force (3,950,950 Kilojoules).

This is well within limits that the towers were built to survive. So why did the North tower fall?

The kinetic energy released by the impact of UA Flight 175 was
= 0.5 x 395,000 x (865)2/32.174
= 4.593 billion ft lbs force (6,227,270 Kilojoules).

This is within 10 percent of the energy released by the impact of a Boeing 707 at cruise speed. ..."

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#152. To: AGAviator (#148)

You imply that the planes exerted GIGAJOULES of energy when they struck, so you are far from being honest.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#153. To: AGAviator, all (#147)

Lessee - my memory is hazy did Osama Ben Forgotten die before the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp or after the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp?

Who was telling the entire United States, on national TV, speaking in Arabic, in October 2004, that the military industrial complex was running America, that America was attacked not because of Muslims hating freedom but because of American support of Israel, and that ultimately America would become bankrupted fighting Middle East wars just as Russia got bankrupted in Afghanistan?

Hard to tell because the video was so bad but the actor did not bear a very close resemblance to the real Osama Ben Forgotten. (Who by the way is Jewish - his mother was the Jewish Daughter of a wealthy Jewish, Mizrahim, Syrian Trading Family. So, under Talmudic Law he is Jewish.)

Who exactly was on the TV at that time criticizing just about every conceivable action taken by the USG in its WOT and pursuit of OBL, idjit?

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

Your mother?

You didn't really expect me to bite on that old worn out tactic did you?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#154. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, AGAviator, James Deffenbach (#151) (Edited)

You do know that that is a liar lawyer you are trying to get through to, right? And you know what Jonathan Swift said about them, don't you?

"In pleading, they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the cause; but are loud, violent, and tedious, in dwelling upon all circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case already mentioned; they never desire to know what claim or title my adversary has to my cow; but whether the said cow were red or black; her horns long or short; whether the field I graze her in be round or square; whether she was milked at home or abroad; what diseases she is subject to, and the like; after which they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years, come to an issue.

"It is likewise to be observed, that this society has a peculiar cant and jargon of their own, that no other mortal can understand, and wherein all their laws are written, which they take special care to multiply; whereby they have wholly confounded the very essence of truth and falsehood, of right and wrong; so that it will take thirty years to decide, whether the field left me by my ancestors for six generations belongs to me, or to a stranger three hundred miles off.

"In the trial of persons accused for crimes against the state, the method is much more short and commendable: the judge first sends to sound the disposition of those in power, after which he can easily hang or save a criminal, strictly preserving all due forms of law."

Here my master interposing, said, "it was a pity, that creatures endowed with such prodigious abilities of mind, as these lawyers, by the description I gave of them, must certainly be, were not rather encouraged to be instructors of others in wisdom and knowledge." In answer to which I assured his honour, "that in all points out of their own trade, they were usually the most ignorant and stupid generation among us, the most despicable in common conversation, avowed enemies to all knowledge and learning, and equally disposed to pervert the general reason of mankind in every other subject of discourse as in that of their own profession."

“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-07   16:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#155. To: Original_Intent (#151)

In the early 1970's the World Trade Center's chief structural engineer, Leslie Robertson, calculated the effect of the impact of a Boeing 707 with the World Trade Center towers. His results were reported in the New York Times where it was claimed that Robertson's study proved the towers would withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 moving at 600 miles an hour. Little did he know that decades later two aircraft, almost identical to the Boeing 707, would impact the towers.

Link

Robertson said the following in an interview with Steven Jones in October 2006:

“I support the general conclusions of the NIST report… The [WTC] was designed for the impact of a low flying slow flying Boeing 707.

We envisioned it [to be like] the aircraft that struck the Empire State building [during] WW II.

It was not designed for a high speed impact from the jets that actually hit it…

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   17:03:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#156. To: FormerLurker (#152)

You imply that the planes exerted GIGAJOULES

Since a gigajoule is a billion joules, correct and already demonstrated.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   17:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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