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Title: Barack Obama: Shape Shifting Reptilian Overlord or Pure Human?
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Published: Jul 4, 2010
Author: russell huebsch
Post Date: 2010-07-04 14:41:52 by Turtle
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Is Barack Obama really a shape shifting reptilian humanoid from a far away galaxy bent on the enslavement of the human race? According to David Icke, who claims on his web site that most world leaders come from a line of reptilians originating in the Alpha Draconis, Barack Obama is most likely a blood drinking shape shifter bent on progressing the New World Order. Icke's reptilian theory makes the claim that reptilians plan to control humanity and other civilizations through fear and negative emotion, a food source for the reptilian. Icke believes the reptilians plan for world domination started to unravel with the September 11 attacks on New York and Obama's presidency will lead us into this "New World Order", but is this just mere babbling from a sick mind or does this theory have some legitimacy? Here are signs that the Obama reptilian conspiracy is true. "Change we need": Has Obama told us all along that he is a changeling/shape shifting reptilian? Think about it, change always happens when a new president enters office, perhaps Obama's corporeal body is crying out to the world that a shape shifting reptilian alien has hijacked his avatar. "Change" might also be a code word for reptilian dictators across the globe that America has elected another shape shifter as president. Even Adolph Hitler claimed to bring change for the German people, but as we know all the only thing the world received from Hitler was millions of lost lives and the genocide of an entire race of people. Whatever this "change" really means it certainly does not bode well for the future of America and even worse for the human race. The questionable birth certificate: Why would any presidential candidate try so desperately to hide a real birth certificate? Perhaps because reptilian overlords do not receive birth certificates, they congeal out of a pile of goo! The voting public would never vote for a space reptilian and if the plan for world domination ever leaked to the general there would be mass chaos, thus the Republican party could never reveal Obama's true ancestry and the reptilian conspiracy continues.
Poster Comment: I always thought Obama was just half kaffir and half white trash race traitor. But perhaps he's a David Icke blood-drinking shape-shifting space reptile... I, for one, welcome our new reptilian overloads. I'll point out to them all my enemies, so they can eat them.
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#178. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator (#173)
Here's an interesting analysis I've seen in the past... From THE JET FUEL; HOW HOT DID IT HEAT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER? Yeah! That's it!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I've already posted this picture 3 times. It's a construction iron worker adjusting his cutting torch in a man basket getting ready to make your angular cuts. Giving off {shudder} yellow sulfur- like smoke as he fine tunes the oxygen supply. Those 3-4 foot long thingies in the basket are cutting torches. Also note the X-shaped cut behind him and immediately to his right. Another cutting torch mark. Try to keep up.
Yes, I've used it before myself. Ol' Max, the anonymous Engineer who did that analysis, nailed it. I have seen on multiple occasions on multiple forums and it has, to my knowledge, NEVER BEEN REFUTED. It has been ignored and avoided a few times, but NEVER refuted.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Wrong, the fact is that energy was dissipated in the first few seconds of the impact, causing some swaying of the building. Besides, we are just talking about AVAILABLE energy, not the TRANSFER of energy to the structure, since the plane itself absorbed some of that energy by being ripped to shreds.
In all aviation, especially commercial aviation, passenger safety trumps fuel economy time and time again. Aircraft must not only have enough fuel for alternate destinations, they must also have enough fuel to make safe landings if one or more engines fail.
Looks like the guy is painting or something. What's that supposed to prove? Oh, you say he's CUTTING the column? I don't see a cutting torch in his hand.
A swaying building that has already had its load bearing columns seriously damaged is a damaged building with unpredictable consequences. And transfers of enregy from moving ojects to stationary objects make the energy go to the target, not the source.
The 767 could fly to Bejing on full tanks, it was only flying across the country from Boston to LA. It could land ANYWHERE in the country with half tanks.
whaaaaa? i don't know that i've ever seen you post what you think happened, only what you think didn't happen. can you tell me what's in your "addled" brain? ;)
So if I throw an egg at a brick wall, the wall is going to suffer more than the egg, eh? What school did you go to again?
Nyuk, nyuk. Tell that to any fire protection inspector, any insurance company, any civil engineer and see how far you get... You don't mean just any, but any of the ones that are bought and paid for and can't think for themselves.
Pretty lame. He's up there to cut, and that's what the elongated items in the basket are. This is from the same place the CT's have gotten their cherry- picked angular cut photos, so do your research and find out what that man is doing in the middle of all those torched columns. Ever used either a cutting torch or thermite? I've used both. Those are torch marks, not thermite. How the hell do you get an amorphous blob of thermite to produce a neat vertical "X" as shown directly to the right and the rear of the man in the basket? QED.
The standard CT last stand response. Anybody who doesn't drink the CT Kool-Aid is a big gubmint sellout. That's all for today, folks.
Regardless, we don't know for sure because the debris was carted off before any real investigation was performed on the debris for evidence. Neither you nor I can claim the above cut was made by a worker with a torch, or thermite. HOWEVER, there IS evidence of thermite, and molten metal WAS seen flowing out of the building BEFORE it collapsed. There is no way in hell the fires were hot enough to melt steel.
Yeah, or try to tell us what heroes Bush and Obama are.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't think Aggravator is playing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Jonathan Swift had their number for sure.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't think Aggravator is playing. Cold, very cold. Just what I need while I set here sweating and drinking Lemonade.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I had to put Aggravator on my clown filter. It made me feel like this trying to read his drivel and agitprop.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. LOL! The good humor man huh?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yeah, something like that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Cheerful.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
OK, So you DO believe and promote the government version of 911. You're a paid gov shill, I can smell it all over you.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
That's all for today, folks. dang! ag you sure do sound like ewecon, a graduate of the ewecon school of debate even.
What else can a brainless pussilanimous one-line imbecile do? Here's the Gallagher nanothermite "consolation prize" on your way out, mewling loser.
I've used both oxygen cutting torches and themite. You've used neither. Burning thermite is an amorphous blob that does not and cannot make straight vertical cuts, period. If you had ever been within 10 yards of thermite for even 5 seconds you would know that beyond any doubt. The fact that you choose to quote some people so dumb as to claim it does make straight cuts sideways and vertically, but who have never been near the stuff personally, shows a mindset so steeped in groupthink it is willing to disregard direct evidence in favor of preconceived theories. Thermite Burning
U R A WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
When all fails, when you've long since lost the debate, why emulate your heeeeero eweKon and resort to braindead ridicule. Of course it proves nothing but it is good PsyOps.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
What do you make of this picture? To do what, light your government issue crack pipe?
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Lost the debate? To idiots who've never been within 10 yards of either a cutting torch or thermite? Who claim that burning thermite, which produces melted liquid iron glowing and flowing at 2500 Degreees, can somehow make magic straight vertical cuts which are actually the product of cutting torches? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! And who claim that none of this ever even happened? < So where did that rocket eventually end up, moonshiner? Did it take a trip to Mexico while the media were concocting their fake TV shows? Or go to Jamaica to sample the ganja? ROTFLAMO.
For you that would be a step forward. It would get your head out of your own crack.
While you have your head up the government's crack.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
by Enrico Manieri - Henry62 To understand the situation more clearly, I acquired photographs taken by Joel Meyerowitz, the only professional photographer allowed at Ground Zero. I have verified that in Meyerowitz's panoramic views, taken very shortly after the collapses from many locations at Ground Zero, there are absolutely no columns which bear the markings of straight or diagonal thermal cuts, contrary to the claims It is quite evident that the cuts were made at a later time, during debris demolition and removal. This can be deduced also by looking at the type of cut that characterizes the columns and beams that were loaded onto trucksfor removal and storage and is also exhibited by the debris stored in the well-known Hangar 17 of the Kennedy Airport in New York. Scenes such as the one shown below were quite normal at Ground Zero: Another cutting torch. Close up of aftermath of cutting torch work Gawd, what an argumentative and stupid fuckwit you are to keep repeating this CT babble for the last 8 years. Then proclaim yourself the winner of a debate about thermite without ever having been near the stuff in your entire life!
Tell me how burning thermite - which produces molten burning iron flowing freely - makes straight up and down vertical or angled cuts, one liner crackboy.
It really doesn't matter if thermite was used or not. It's obvious that controlled demolition of some sort was used to destroy the towers. Especially building 7. What do you think of this picture? Or this one? Only to you, after that line shows it leads nowhere. I think this one is a lot better because it tells a lot more.
What do you think would cause these columns to disintegrate like this? What sort of force would create this? And transfers of enregy from moving ojects to stationary objects make the energy go to the target, not the source So if I throw an egg at a brick wall, the wall is going to suffer more than the egg, eh? So your "egg yoke airplanes" didn't penetrate your "brick wall" building exteriors or damage anything inside. They just scrambled themselves, then fell harmlessly straight down to the streets ,with the buildings none the worse for the encounters, eh?
Due to unshown events prior to the photos, the columns are already on the verge of breaking apart in the shown pictures. They're on the verge of breaking apart because they were violently separated from other building materials that were attached to them and seriously damaged to a point where they are ready to fall apart. With additional shaking and movement, the columns separate into pieces on their way to the ground. Gravity exerting its force on 40+ floors accelerating and falling on top of each other.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAs well even NIST now admits that most of the fuel was burned up in the first ten minutes. Remember the big fireball? That was the fuel load of one of the planes exploding - outside the building.
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER?The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) report into collapse of the WTC towers, estimates that about 3,500 gallons of jet fuel burnt within each of the towers. Imagine that this entire quantity of jet fuel was injected into just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat. With these ideal assumptions we calculate the maximum temperature that this one floor could have reached.
"The Boeing 767 is capable of carrying up to 23,980 gallons of fuel and it is estimated that, at the time of impact, each aircraft had approximately 10,000 gallons of unused fuel on board (compiled from Government sources)."
Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).
Since the aircraft were only flying from Boston to Los Angeles, they would have been nowhere near fully fueled on takeoff (the aircraft have a maximum range of 7,600 miles). They would have carried just enough fuel for the trip together with some safety factor. Remember, that carrying excess fuel means higher fuel bills and less paying passengers. The aircraft would have also burnt some fuel between Boston and New York.
"If one assumes that approximately 3,000 gallons of fuel were consumed in the initial fireballs, then the remainder either escaped the impact floors in the manners described above or was consumed by the fire on the impact floors. If half flowed away, then 3,500 gallons remained on the impact floors to be consumed in the fires that followed."
Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).
What we propose to do, is pretend that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with the perfect quantity of oxygen, that no hot gases left this floor and that no heat escaped this floor by conduction. With these ideal assumptions (none of which were meet in reality) we will calculate the maximum temperature that this one floor could have reached. Of course, on that day, the real temperature rise of any floor due to the burning jet fuel, would have been considerably lower than the rise that we calculate, but this estimate will enable us to demonstrate that the "official" explanation is a lie.
Note that a gallon of jet fuel weighs about 3.1 kilograms, hence 3,500 gallons weighs 3,500 x 3.1 = 10,850 kgs.
Jet fuel is a colorless, combustible, straight run petroleum distillate liquid. Its principal uses are as an ingredient in lamp oils, charcoal starter fluids, jet engine fuels and insecticides.
It is also know as, fuel oil #1, kerosene, range oil, coal oil and aviation fuel.
It is comprised of hydrocarbons with a carbon range of C9 - C17. The hydrocarbons are mainly alkanes CnH2n+2, with n ranging from 9 to 17.
It has a flash point within the range 42° C - 72° C (110° F - 162° F).
And an ignition temperature of 210° C (410° F).
Depending on the supply of oxygen, jet fuel burns by one of three chemical reactions:
(1) CnH2n+2 + (3n+1)/2 O2 => n CO2 + (n + 1) H2O
(2) CnH2n+2 + (2n+1)/2 O2 => n CO + (n + 1) H2O
(3) CnH2n+2 + (n+1)/2 O2 => n C + (n + 1) H2O
Reaction (1) occurs when jet fuel is well mixed with air before being burnt, as for example, in jet engines.
Reactions (2) and (3) occur when a pool of jet fuel burns. When reaction (3) occurs the carbon formed shows up as soot in the flame. This makes the smoke very dark.
In the aircraft crashes at the World Trade Center, the impact (with the aircraft going from 500 or 600 mph to zero) would have throughly mixed the fuel that entered the building with the limited amount of air available within. In fact, it is likely that all the fuel was turned into a flammable mist. However, for sake of argument we will assume that 3,500 gallons of the jet fuel did in fact form a pool fire. This means that it burnt according to reactions (2) and (3). Also note that the flammable mist would have burnt according to reactions (2) and (3), as the quantity of oxygen within the building was quite limited.
Since we do not know the exact quantities of oxygen available to the fire, we will assume that the combustion was perfectly efficient, that is, that the entire quantity of jet fuel burnt via reaction (1), even though we know that this was not so. This generous assumption will give a temperature that we know will be higher than the actual temperature of the fire attributable to the jet fuel.
We need to know that the (net) calorific value of jet fuel when burnt via reaction (1) is 42-44 MJ/kg. The calorific value of a fuel is the amount of energy released when the fuel is burnt. We will use the higher value of 44 MJ/kg as this will lead to a higher maximum temperature than the lower value of 42 (and we wish to continue being outrageously generous in our assumptions).
For a cleaner presentation and simpler calculations we will also assume that our hydrocarbons are of the form CnH2n. The dropping of the 2 hydrogen atoms does not make much difference to the final result and the interested reader can easily recalculate the figures for a slightly more accurate result. So we are now assuming the equation:
(4) CnH2n + 3n/2 O2 => n CO2 + n H2O
However, this model, does not take into account that the reaction is proceeding in air, which is only partly oxygen.
Dry air is 79% nitrogen and 21% oxygen (by volume). Normal air has a moisture content from 0 to 4%. We will include the water vapor and the other minor atmospheric gases with the nitrogen.
So the ratio of the main atmospheric gases, oxygen and nitrogen, is 1 : 3.76. In molar terms:
Because oxygen comes mixed with nitrogen, we have to include it in the equations. Even though it does not react, it is "along for the ride" and will absorb heat, affecting the overall heat balance. Thus we need to use the equation:
(5) CnH2n + 3n/2(O2 + 3.76 N2) => n CO2 + n H2O + 5.64n N2
From this equation we see that the molar ratio of CnH2n to that of the products is: CnH2n : CO2 : H2O : N2 = 1 : n : n : 5.64n moles = 14n : 44n : 18n : 28 x 5.64n kgs = 1 : 3.14286 : 1.28571 : 11.28 kgs = 31,000 : 97,429 : 39,857 : 349,680 kgs
In the conversion of moles to kilograms we have assumed the atomic weights of hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen and oxygen are 1, 12, 14 and 16 respectively.
Now each of the towers contained 96,000 (short) tons of steel. That is an average of 96,000/117 = 820 tons per floor. Lets suppose that the bottom floors contained roughly twice the amount of steel of the upper floors (since the lower floors had to carry more weight). So we estimate that the lower floors contained about 1,100 tons of steel and the upper floors about 550 tons = 550 x 907.2 m6; 500,000 kgs. We will assume that the floors hit by the aircraft contained the lower estimate of 500,000 kgs of steel. This generously underestimates the quantity of steel in these floors, and once again leads to a higher estimate of the maximum temperature.
Each story had a floor slab and a ceiling slab. These slabs were 207 feet wide, 207 feet deep and 4 (in parts 5) inches thick and were constructed from lightweight concrete. So each slab contained 207 x 207 x 1/3 = 14,283 cubic feet of concrete. Now a cubic foot of lightweight concrete weighs about 50kg, hence each slab weighed 714,150 m6; 700,000 kgs. Together, the floor and ceiling slabs weighed some 1,400,000 kgs.
So, now we take all the ingredients and estimate a maximum temperature to which they could have been heated by 3,500 gallons of jet fuel. We will call this maximum temperature T. Since the calorific value of jet fuel is 44 MJ/kg. We know that 3,500 gallons = 31,000 kgs of jet fuel
This is the total quantity of energy available to heat the ingredients to the temperature T. But what is the temperature T? To find out, we first have to calculate the amount of energy absorbed by each of the ingredients.
That is, we need to calculate the energy needed to raise: 39,857 kilograms of water vapor to the temperature T° C, 97,429 kilograms of carbon dioxide to the temperature T° C, 349,680 kilograms of nitrogen to the temperature T° C, 500,000 kilograms of steel to the temperature T° C, 1,400,000 kilograms of concrete to the temperature T° C.
To calculate the energy needed to heat the above quantities, we need their specific heats. The specific heat of a substance is the amount of energy needed to raise one kilogram of the substance by one degree centigrade. Substance Specific Heat [J/kg*C] Nitrogen 1,038 Water Vapor 1,690 Carbon Dioxide 845 Lightweight Concrete 800 Steel 450
Substituting these values into the above, we obtain: 39,857 x 1,690 x (T - 25) Joules are needed to heat the water vapor from 25° to T° C, 97,429 x 845 x (T - 25) Joules are needed to heat the carbon dioxide from 25° to T° C, 349,680 x 1,038 x (T - 25) Joules are needed to heat the nitrogen from 25° to T° C, 500,000 x 450 x (T - 25) Joules are needed to heat the steel from 25° to T° C, 1,400,000 x 800 x (T - 25) Joules are needed to heat the concrete from 25° to T° C.
The assumption that the specific heats are constant over the temperature range 25° - T° C, is a good approximation if T turns out to be relatively small (as it does). For larger values of T this assumption once again leads to a higher maximum temperature (as the specific heat for these substances increases with temperature). We have assumed the initial temperature of the surroundings to be 25° C. The quantity, (T - 25)° C, is the temperature rise.
So the amount of energy needed to raise one floor to the temperature T° C is
= (39,857 x 1,690 + 97,429 x 845 + 349,680 x 1,038 + 500,000 x 450 + 1,400,000 x 800) x (T - 25)
= (67,358,330 + 82,327,505 + 362,967,840 + 225,000,000 + 1,120,000,000) x (T - 25) Joules
= 1,857,653,675 x (T - 25) Joules.
Since the amount of energy available to heat this floor is 477,400,000,000 Joules, we have that
1,857,653,675 x (T - 25) = 477,400,000,000
1,857,653,675 x T - 46,441,341,875 = 477,400,000,000
Therefore T = (477,400,000,000 + 46,441,341,875)/1,857,653,675 = 282° C (540° F).
So, the jet fuel could (at the very most) have only added T - 25 = 282 - 25 = 257° C (495° F) to the temperature of the typical office fire that developed.
Remember, this figure is a huge over-estimate, as (among other things) it assumes that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb the heat, whereas in reality, the jet fuel fire was all over in one or two minutes, and the energy not absorbed by the concrete and steel within this brief period (that is, almost all of it) would have been vented to the outside world.
"The time to consume the jet fuel can be reasonably computed. At the upper bound, if one assumes that all 10,000 gallons of fuel were evenly spread across a single building floor, it would form a pool that would be consumed by fire in less than 5 minutes"
Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).
Here are statements from three eye-witnesses that provide evidence that the heating due to the jet fuel was indeed minimal.
Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby (one of the impact floors of the South Tower) when the aircraft hit. He has been quoted as saying: "We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped."
Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the South Tower: "The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway."
Ling Young was in her 78th floor office: "Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes. That's how I got so burned."
Neither Stanley Praimnath nor Donovan Cowan nor Ling Young were cooked by the jet fuel fire. All three survived.
Summarizing:
We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.
Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Now this temperature is nowhere near high enough to even begin explaining the World Trade Center Tower collapse.
It is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about in our lying media.
"In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments."
Quote from the FEMA report (Appendix A).
Recalling that the North Tower suffered no major structural damage from the intense office fire of February 23, 1975, we can conclude that the ensuing office fires of September 11, 2001, also did little extra damage to the towers.
Conclusion:
The jet fuel fires played almost no role in the collapse of the World Trade Center.
So, once again, you have been lied to by the media, are you surprised?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#179. To: FormerLurker (#176)
#180. To: FormerLurker (#176)
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#181. To: FormerLurker (#178)
#182. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent (#177)
As even your co-poster now concedes, several billion joules of all energy combined were released by the jet impacts. And within a couple hours max of this massive enrgy release the buildings collapsed.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#183. To: FormerLurker (#178)
#184. To: AGAviator (#180)
http://www.debunking911.com/cut.jpg
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#185. To: FormerLurker (#182)
the fact is that energy was dissipated in the first few seconds of the impact, causing some swaying of the building. Besides, we are just talking about AVAILABLE energy, not the TRANSFER of energy to the structure, since the plane itself absorbed some of that energy by being ripped to shreds.
#186. To: AGAviator (#183)
Aircraft must not only have enough fuel for alternate destinations, they must also have enough fuel to make safe landings if one or more engines fail.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#187. To: AGAviator (#119)
The only place a "government account of 911" exists is in your addled brain.
#188. To: AGAviator (#185)
And transfers of enregy from moving ojects to stationary objects make the energy go to the target, not the source
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#189. To: AGAviator (#171)
Fact is, steel doesn't need fire protection and the load bearing supports were not destroyed by fire.
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#190. To: FormerLurker (#184)
Oh, you say he's CUTTING the column? I don't see a cutting torch in his hand.
#191. To: wudidiz (#189)
of the ones that are bought and paid for and can't think for themselves.
#192. To: AGAviator (#190)
(Edited)
Pretty lame. He's up there to cut, and that's what the elongated items in the basket are.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#193. To: Original_Intent (#126)
It is always amusing, and always predictable, that when you corner a Septic/Disinformationist that they will focus on a minor detail and attempt to inflate it into a Strawman Argument to divert from the point they are unwilling or unable to address without having their argument filed in "File 13". Next he'll try "Peak Oil" or "Glowbull Warming".
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#194. To: Original_Intent (#136)
9. Play Dumb.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#195. To: wudidiz (#154)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#196. To: James Deffenbach (#194)
9. Play Dumb.
#197. To: Original_Intent (#196)
Cold, very cold. Just what I need while I set here sweating and drinking Lemonade.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#198. To: James Deffenbach (#197)
#199. To: Original_Intent (#198)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#200. To: James Deffenbach (#199)
#201. To: AGAviator (#119)
Cite specific reports, dealing with specific subjects,blah, blah, blah
#202. To: AGAviator, wudidiz (#191)
The standard CT last stand response. Anybody who doesn't drink the CT Kool-Aid is a big gubmint sellout.
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#203. To: James Deffenbach, Original_Intent (#197)
had to put Aggravator on my clown filter. It made me feel like this
#204. To: FormerLurker (#192)
(Edited)
Neither you nor I can claim the above cut was made by a worker with a torch, or thermite
#205. To: AGAviator (#203)
#206. To: AGAviator, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, all (#203)
#207. To: AGAviator, all, *9-11* (#204)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#208. To: AGAviator (#204)
I've used both oxygen cutting torches and themite.
#209. To: Original_Intent (#206)
(Edited)
When all fails, when you've long since lost the debate,
#210. To: Flintlock (#208)
To do what, light your government issue crack pipe?
#211. To: AGAviator (#210)
It would get your head out of your own crack.
#212. To: Original_Intent (#206)
(Edited)
When all fails, when you've long since lost the debate
Real-World Tests Cut Through Steel, Shatter Thermite "Evidence"
#213. To: Flintlock (#211)
(Edited)
While you have your head up the government's crack
#214. To: AGAviator, all, *9-11* (#213)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#215. To: wudidiz (#214)
It really doesn't matter if thermite was used or not
What do you think of this picture?
#216. To: AGAviator (#215)
“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy
#217. To: FormerLurker (#188)
#218. To: wudidiz (#216)
What do you think would cause these columns to disintegrate like this?
What sort of force would create this?
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