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Title: Barack Obama: Shape Shifting Reptilian Overlord or Pure Human?
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Published: Jul 4, 2010
Author: russell huebsch
Post Date: 2010-07-04 14:41:52 by Turtle
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Views: 16334
Comments: 362

Is Barack Obama really a shape shifting reptilian humanoid from a far away galaxy bent on the enslavement of the human race? According to David Icke, who claims on his web site that most world leaders come from a line of reptilians originating in the Alpha Draconis, Barack Obama is most likely a blood drinking shape shifter bent on progressing the New World Order. Icke's reptilian theory makes the claim that reptilians plan to control humanity and other civilizations through fear and negative emotion, a food source for the reptilian. Icke believes the reptilians plan for world domination started to unravel with the September 11 attacks on New York and Obama's presidency will lead us into this "New World Order", but is this just mere babbling from a sick mind or does this theory have some legitimacy? Here are signs that the Obama reptilian conspiracy is true.

"Change we need": Has Obama told us all along that he is a changeling/shape shifting reptilian? Think about it, change always happens when a new president enters office, perhaps Obama's corporeal body is crying out to the world that a shape shifting reptilian alien has hijacked his avatar. "Change" might also be a code word for reptilian dictators across the globe that America has elected another shape shifter as president. Even Adolph Hitler claimed to bring change for the German people, but as we know all the only thing the world received from Hitler was millions of lost lives and the genocide of an entire race of people. Whatever this "change" really means it certainly does not bode well for the future of America and even worse for the human race.

The questionable birth certificate: Why would any presidential candidate try so desperately to hide a real birth certificate? Perhaps because reptilian overlords do not receive birth certificates, they congeal out of a pile of goo! The voting public would never vote for a space reptilian and if the plan for world domination ever leaked to the general there would be mass chaos, thus the Republican party could never reveal Obama's true ancestry and the reptilian conspiracy continues.


Poster Comment:

I always thought Obama was just half kaffir and half white trash race traitor. But perhaps he's a David Icke blood-drinking shape-shifting space reptile...

I, for one, welcome our new reptilian overloads. I'll point out to them all my enemies, so they can eat them.

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#240. To: AGAviator (#239)

false comparison


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-08   13:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: buckeroo (#238)

Explain, please.

NO time, off to work.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-08   13:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#242. To: farmfriend (#240)

false comparison

K00klogic evading a simple question challenging a cherished belief.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-08   13:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: buckeroo (#233)

Still, I miss the days when other posters challenged these guys. Eventually, they simply left as it is tiring to discuss even common sense.

How would you know? You've never tried. You're always on about some bs like "Peak Oil" or "global warming." And no, Aggravator hasn't won anything on this thread. He's just proven that he believes the government's insane conspiracy theory, the wackiest one of all.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   13:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: James Deffenbach (#243) (Edited)

The government's insane conspiracy theory, the wackiest one of all.

(1) Which is more likely to produce the angled cut shown below?

This?

Or this?

(2) Are there 2 Arabs in this photo?

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-08   13:36:33 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: James Deffenbach (#243)

You're always on about some bs like "Peak Oil" or "global warming."

I have found out that world class issues such as the BULLSHIT (that you call it) is reason enough not to pursue other discussions ... although, I still think chemtrails and crop circles are for the mere brain-dead; I really find the stuff great humour in these days where so many other events are occurring.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   13:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: buckeroo (#245)

I have found out that world class issues such as the BULLSHIT (that you call it) is reason enough not to pursue other discussions ...

Uh huh. How can they be "world class issues" when they aren't issues at all to most people? Most people have figured out that Al was lying to them and some of us knew years ago that the oil companies were lying about "Peak Oil." So you keep dwelling on bs like it's something very important. I guess someone needs to.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   13:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: James Deffenbach, farmfriend, AGAviator (#246)

How can they be "world class issues" when they aren't issues at all to most people?

Amazing response. You should know by now, that your government keeps a "lid" on these topics .... and as a result, the issues appear to be "managed" or officially called "sustainable."

Never-the-less, the common denominator or essential undercurrent issues such as "over population", "climate change" and "dwindling resource capability and capacity" completely imbue the economic, social and political aspects of our lives.

Your response is symptomatic of my gut wrenching laffter........ ROTFL.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   15:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: buckeroo (#247)

Amazing response.

Yeah, I thought it was good too.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   16:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: James Deffenbach (#248)

Yeah, I thought it was good too.

Jimmy, jimmy, jimmy .... when did you start that process? Doesn't it make your head hurt? Go back and lay on your sofa after taking a lude, dude .... it is much easier and less stressful than considering the BIG_PICTURE.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   16:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: buckeroo (#249)

Oh, that is something I have been doing a long time (thinking). Comes as naturally as breathing to some of us. I know that for folks who believe Al Gore fairy tales about global warming and oil industry fables about how we're going to be completely out of oil in the next fifteen minutes, thinking is not something natural or easy. But if you try really hard you might learn how to discern when people are having you on. I hope you can.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   17:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: AGAviator (#242)

K00klogic evading a simple question challenging a cherished belief.

Not even close.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-08   19:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: AGAviator (#225)

Wassa matter, boytoy

Yeah, right, go F yourself you government stooge.

WARNING: AGAviator is a paid government agent who is here to spread disinformation. BEWARE!

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-07-08   19:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: James Deffenbach, buckeroo (#246)

I have found out that world class issues such as the BULLSHIT (that you call it) is reason enough not to pursue other discussions ...

Uh huh. How can they be "world class issues" when they aren't issues at all to most people? Most people have figured out that Al was lying to them and some of us knew years ago that the oil companies were lying about "Peak Oil." So you keep dwelling on bs like it's something very important. I guess someone needs to.

Well, at least he has job even if it is "catapulting the propaganda". A man's gotta eat and Sterno™ ain't that cheap any more.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-08   19:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: James Deffenbach (#250)

Oh, that is something I have been doing a long time (thinking).

I don't think that process has been very effective; in fact, it probably "stings" with your hot cup of tea scalding your lips as you can't do two actions at once.

I know that for folks who believe Al Gore fairy tales about global warming and oil industry fables about how we're going to be completely out of oil in the next fifteen minutes, thinking is not something natural or easy.

I have never advocated any idea presented by Al Gore. I know you think he REALLY created the Internet, though; and as a result, you have the highest recognition for the bastard.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   19:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: Original_Intent (#253)

Sure, we all have to get our grocery money some way. But don't you hate it when people are pissin' on your leg and telling you that it's raining? That is what the global warmists and Peak Oilers remind me of.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   19:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: buckeroo (#254)

No, I know that Al believes that he invented the internet. I don't believe he invented anything more than lies about global warming.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   19:36:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: Original_Intent (#253)

Well, at least he has job even if it is "catapulting the propaganda". A man's gotta eat and Sterno™ ain't that cheap any more.

I haven't seen your repeated rants concerning: WE ARE GOING TO DIE! THE BP OIL BARONS ARE IN CAHOOTS WITH THE BANKSTERS AND BIG_GOVERNMENT AND THE ROTHCHILDS!

What happened? Cat got your tongue or shit into your keyboard?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   19:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: James Deffenbach (#256)

Again, I have never advocated an article, group or even a blurb from or about Al Gore's ideas. So why do you bring him up? Because, GW is a fact?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   19:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: James Deffenbach (#255) (Edited)

Sure, we all have to get our grocery money some way. But don't you hate it when people are pissin' on your leg and telling you that it's raining? That is what the global warmists and Peak Oilers remind me of.

Along with those who allegedly "beeeeeeeeeelieeeeeve" the "Official Conspiracy Theory" of "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree" armed with Box Cutters could hijack 4 airliners, of which none of them were competent to fly, then leisurely fly for 2 hours unintercepted in the most heavily monitored airspace on the planet, and then manage to fly those aircraft through aerobatic maneuvers that would challenge a Master Pilot and crash them into major buildings for Allah*.

*While leaving an incriminating trail by going out the night before drinking and whoring like gut liddle Muslims leaving a Koran conveniently in a bar where they had been drinking (forbidden to Devout Muslims) and leaving ever so conveniently a suitcase in an undistinguished car which contained incriminating materials and which was miraculously found within hours of the event {who had also been living with unmarried non-Muslim women in areas surrounding major military bases where they had been trained (and that last IS documented)}. Not to mention the immaculate unsinged Passports that survived the fireball that totally destroyed an aircraft, its occupants, and all other identifying information.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-08   19:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: buckeroo (#257)

Tsk, tsk. Such language. Have the Spiders from Mars been chasing you around the house again?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-08   19:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: Original_Intent (#260)

Not at all. But I shall confess that after I wiped the other day, I saw Mr.Tidy_Bowl_Man riding an Original_Intent down the toilet.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   19:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: buckeroo (#261)

I always suspected you were subject to delusions. That pretty well cinches it. What other little men do you frequently see?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-08   20:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator (#262)

What other little men do you frequently see?

Well, for starters on this thread I see AGAviator kicked your ass. You think that logically splicing a few poly-syllables together makes you a word smith. Ever hear about how a million monkeys pounding on a keyboard can create the Encyclopaedia Britanica? You remind me of one.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   20:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: buckeroo (#263)

All this blathering and thrashing about, when you could be using your vaunted computer skills to hack into yukon or Mad Dog's photobucket accounts, finding court records, etc, to post for our amusement.

Priorities, man.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-07-08   20:20:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: Samuel Gray, buckeroo (#264)

All this blathering and thrashing about, when you could be using your vaunted computer skills to hack into yukon or Mad Dog's photobucket accounts, finding court records, etc, to post for our amusement.

Buck can do that? What's the hold up?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-08   20:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: Samuel Gray (#264)

Naughty, naughty!

Some of us actually have scruples. On chat boards, it is unwise to reveal personal data ... that is the stuff for Facebook champions, such as Bad_Eye.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   20:27:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: buckeroo (#266)

People with scruples always get "scru'd" by those who lack them. Mad Dog and Yukon certainly aren't worth invoking any.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-07-08   20:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: buckeroo (#266)

Facebook champions, such as Bad_Eye.

Reallllly?

BE has a big facebook following??????

The world has fallen apart.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2010-07-08   20:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, AGAviator (#263)

I see AGAviator kicked your ass

That didn't happen.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-08   20:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: wudidiz, buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit (#269)

I see AGAviator kicked your ass

That didn't happen.

More of poor buckie's delusions - kind of like the little men he keeps seeing in his toilet bowl.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-08   20:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: Samuel Gray (#267)

It is best to address these folks without any underhanded gamesmanship. It is best to show them up in publick, assuming you can.

I think I told you that I sneak over there all the time. Sometimes, I persist for weeks ... other times for mere hours. I think it is great fun!

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   20:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: tom007 (#268)

BE has a big facebook following??????

His dawgs have claws, too.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   20:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#270)

kind of like the little men he keeps seeing in his toilet bowl

It's kinda weird, OI.

I'm concerned about our friend, buck.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-08   20:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: wudidiz, AGAviator (#269)

That didn't happen.

AGAviator certainly kicked the shit out of Original_Intent on this thread. But for the one-celled amoeba brained believers in "chemtrails" such as yourself .... I can attempt to postulate or understand how you could choose otherwise. You strike me as one of those people that believe FEMA is creating millions of caskets getting ready to bury us ..... and that was another subject, 'eh?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-08   20:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: buckeroo (#274) (Edited)

I love ya, buck.

Tell a friend if the little dudes in the toilet bowl start talkin to you.

:)

Out.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-08   20:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: wudidiz (#273)

kind of like the little men he keeps seeing in his toilet bowl

It's kinda weird, OI.

I'm concerned about our friend, buck.

Its best to just humor him a bit to keep him calm. That, and pray for him.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-08   20:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: buckeroo (#258)

Again, I have never advocated an article, group or even a blurb from or about Al Gore's ideas. So why do you bring him up? Because, GW is a fact?

I bring him up because you are a proponent of his idiotic theory (and I assume that since I called it idiotic you won't labor under any delusions that I believe global warming is anything but bs, certainly not "a fact."). If you want to know the truth about "global warming" take some time to listen to Lord Monckton. He has some videos on youtube that completely destroy this hysteria that people who should know better keep pushing. Al does it for the money, or was doing it for the money. Don't hear so much from him now that it has been proven that he is just a big liar and swindler.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   21:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: Original_Intent (#259)

Along with those who allegedly "beeeeeeeeeelieeeeeve" the "Official Conspiracy Theory" of "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree" armed with Box Cutters could hijack 4 airliners, of which none of them were competent to fly, then leisurely fly for 2 hours unintercepted in the most heavily monitored airspace on the planet, and then manage to fly those aircraft through aerobatic maneuvers that would challenge a Master Pilot and crash them into major buildings for Allah*.

*While leaving an incriminating trail by going out the night before drinking and whoring like gut liddle Muslims leaving a Koran conveniently in a bar where they had been drinking (forbidden to Devout Muslims) and leaving ever so conveniently a suitcase in an undistinguished car which contained incriminating materials and which was miraculously found within hours of the event {who had also been living with unmarried non-Muslim women in areas surrounding major military bases where they had been trained (and that last IS documented)}. Not to mention the immaculate unsinged Passports that survived the fireball that totally destroyed an aircraft, its occupants, and all other identifying information.

Yes. What amazing coinky-dinks, eh? Who woulda thunk it?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   21:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: buckeroo (#263)

Well, for starters on this thread I see AGAviator kicked your ass.

You're delusional, buck. Aggravator hasn't done anything close to that. Better lay off that Sterno for a while.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-08   21:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: buckeroo, turtle (#259) (Edited)

then manage to fly those aircraft through aerobatic maneuvers that would challenge a Master Pilot and crash them into major buildings for Allah*.

Actually, the hit on the Pentagon by Flight 77 is an example of marginal pilot struggling to control too much airplane, but assisted in his last moments by extra lift caused by a high speed "clean" approach to the target.

The offices of the Pentagon's top brass including Rumsfeld, who had to have been the major target for Flight 77, face the Potomac northwards, where the 270/330 degree turn started.

The airplane was lined up correctly to go down the Potomac, then put itself into a hard right turn and fly directly into the north-facing offices including Rumsfeld and top DoD officials.

However, because the planners and the pilot were unfamiliar with flying large airplanes, they didn't take into account that power dives create extra lift, especially on larger birds.

This means when Hanjour started his power right turn, trying to descend 7,000 feet in a few minutes while not cutting back on power, he got way more lift than he expected, and could no longer hit his original target facing north.

So now he finds himself overshooting the Pentagon, trying to get his plane down while traveling 400 mph, and needing some other place to target to hit the building at all.

So to compromise he widened his turn radius and now was targeting the Pentagon's back instead of its facade.

As he got closer to the ground coming in from the back, Hanjour got even more lift from what's called "ground effect." Aircraft flying close to the earth, especially low-wing "clean" planes without landing gear down or flaps deployed, float on a cushion of air that's trapped between the plane's underbody and the earth. When you're flying clean and close to the earth, it's just about impossible to contact the ground without a major effort. The trapped air cushion keeps you from hitting the earth in just about all circumstances.

Flight 77 did clip a number of light poles on its way in. The engines and the airplane didn't dig big holes into the ground because the wingfs and fuselage were partially shielded by ground effect. When they did hit things, the hits were shearing impacts which glanced off the objects and allowed the plane to continue moving forward.

The "Small Hole in the Pentagon" Claim

Folks, the hole in the Pentagon is big enough for all of the bulky parts of a 757 to crash through-- about 15 feet on the second floor and possibly 80 feet on the first floor. There is a photo of metal wrapped around a column and other photos of aircraft debris within the building. Why should they fake this?

There was debris of shredded aircraft skin on the front lawn. Why should they plant this material? How could they be sure they wouldn't be seen planting it?

The first image of the security camera at the guard shack in all likelihood was digitally manipulated to cause dissension and distraction in our 9-11 skeptics/truth community (one clue was that it had the wrong date attached to it).

If someone precut the bolts of the light poles and rigged them to fall over, wouldn't that leave a possibility for the automobile drivers to notice that and report some funny business on this matter? Those who say it was stage- managed to look like a 757 crashed there are just making things more complicated for them to pull it off. Why should they stage-manage the Pentagon crash at all?

I think it is most logical that the hijackers, if they were truly even on the aircraft, were hijacked themselves by remote control technology. This is what makes the most sense with the available evidence. People like Eric Hufschmid, who was one of the first to have a big impact on persuading many of us that flight 77 didn't crash into the Pentagon, upon further discovery, have proven to me to be an incompetent researcher. And possibly even worse, he has shown a desire to discredit our work by association. He has shown a real disdain for a democratic republic.

He holds himself up as being smarter than most of the public even though all the while he peddles nonsense about the Apollo moon landings as being a hoax. If you don't believe this is the case about Hufschmid just read the junk he has on his web site: www.erichufschmid.net

Also, if you haven't seen my web page featuring an exchange with Eric over the Apollo business please do so. Be sure to read what he said in his last letter (this reveals his fascist pro military dictatorship leanings): http://home.pacbell.net/skeptica/apollohoax.html

I don't mean to give offense to those busy people who are new to this Pentagon research or who just haven't gotten around to a study of what evidence is available and through no fault of their own have been swayed by the presentations of people like Hufschmid. I, at one time, counted myself in that same category. Hufschmid has shown that he has a lot of time available and hence has no excuses for presenting his falsities, even after a couple of us have tried to show him his errors, he hasn't budged.

Vince Sauve

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-08   21:10:37 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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