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Title: Barack Obama: Shape Shifting Reptilian Overlord or Pure Human?
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Published: Jul 4, 2010
Author: russell huebsch
Post Date: 2010-07-04 14:41:52 by Turtle
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Views: 17094
Comments: 362

Is Barack Obama really a shape shifting reptilian humanoid from a far away galaxy bent on the enslavement of the human race? According to David Icke, who claims on his web site that most world leaders come from a line of reptilians originating in the Alpha Draconis, Barack Obama is most likely a blood drinking shape shifter bent on progressing the New World Order. Icke's reptilian theory makes the claim that reptilians plan to control humanity and other civilizations through fear and negative emotion, a food source for the reptilian. Icke believes the reptilians plan for world domination started to unravel with the September 11 attacks on New York and Obama's presidency will lead us into this "New World Order", but is this just mere babbling from a sick mind or does this theory have some legitimacy? Here are signs that the Obama reptilian conspiracy is true.

"Change we need": Has Obama told us all along that he is a changeling/shape shifting reptilian? Think about it, change always happens when a new president enters office, perhaps Obama's corporeal body is crying out to the world that a shape shifting reptilian alien has hijacked his avatar. "Change" might also be a code word for reptilian dictators across the globe that America has elected another shape shifter as president. Even Adolph Hitler claimed to bring change for the German people, but as we know all the only thing the world received from Hitler was millions of lost lives and the genocide of an entire race of people. Whatever this "change" really means it certainly does not bode well for the future of America and even worse for the human race.

The questionable birth certificate: Why would any presidential candidate try so desperately to hide a real birth certificate? Perhaps because reptilian overlords do not receive birth certificates, they congeal out of a pile of goo! The voting public would never vote for a space reptilian and if the plan for world domination ever leaked to the general there would be mass chaos, thus the Republican party could never reveal Obama's true ancestry and the reptilian conspiracy continues.


Poster Comment:

I always thought Obama was just half kaffir and half white trash race traitor. But perhaps he's a David Icke blood-drinking shape-shifting space reptile...

I, for one, welcome our new reptilian overloads. I'll point out to them all my enemies, so they can eat them.

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#79. To: Original_Intent (#73)

Like most Kool-Aid Drinkers he is data averse. His mind is made up now don't confuse him with the facts.

I can't believe there are still people who think they know all about 9/11, yet don't even look at the basic facts, they just believe the government and the media explanations.

Apparently, the brainwashing is quite powerful.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   14:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Original_Intent (#73)

It conflicts with their world view of Government Worship, and/or they have swallowed the PsyOps/PR hook, line, and sinker.

Projection and Straw Man discourses are no substitutes for facts, logic, and proof.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   14:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: AGAviator (#78)

You're so easily amused. So tell me how "pull" means "pull with exlosives."

Do you know that explosives "push" things away, not "pull" them towards?

BWAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!

I'm not saying it was or wasn't meant to imply "pull with explosives". I was simply saying "pulling it with cables" is quite insane, since it would have been impossible to do so.

Apparently, the "pull it" statement from Silverstein is a clever disinfo tactic meant to muddy the waters and lead people astray.

Whether he said it or not makes no difference, and doesn't change the events or how they occured.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   14:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: FormerLurker (#75)

My diagram

Your photo

Other than direction, no substantial difference between the two. The WTC towers had a unique design with little or no lattice work between the core columns and the exterior tubes which carried a substantial amount of the weight in a unique tube design.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   14:30:05 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: FormerLurker (#81)

I'm not saying it was or wasn't meant to imply "pull with explosives".

"Pull" and "explosives" are mutually exclusive to cogent English speakers.

Any and all assertions that Silverstein said "pull" as a substitute for "explode" are too idiotic to merit any response except ridicule.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   14:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: AGAviator (#82)

Your diagram is missing the columns and implies the floors were somehow floating and had no support.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   14:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: AGAviator (#83)

So do you find all of those military officials, intelligence officers, and scientists who question the official 9/11 legend are "KOOKS"?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   14:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: AGAviator (#77)

Some of these "folks" shall calling you a "Psy-Op" momentarily. I hope you can take it.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-07   14:34:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: AGAviator (#82)

One other thing your diagram is wrong about is the fact that it shows the core as a linear shape, where it was MUCH thicker at the bottom than at the top, and was in fact tapered from it's largest section at the bottom gradually upwards towards the top section of the tower.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   14:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: AGAviator (#82)

BTW, why did you shrink the image I posted in your response? Was it to give the illusion that the bottom core of the building was in fact much smaller than it actually was?

The original image I posted;

The shrunken image YOU posted;

The actual bottom of the tower during construction;


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   14:42:45 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: FormerLurker (#84) (Edited)

Your diagram is missing the columns and implies the floors were somehow floating and had no support.

The Twin Tower floors were supported by trusses, which were suspended between the load bearing center core and the load bearing exterior walls, with little or no suporting columns in between.

Do some research from reputable sources. Then look at picture of entire one- acre floors with almost no barriers between the core of the building and its exterior walls.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   14:45:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker (#83)

I'm not saying it was or wasn't meant to imply "pull with explosives".

"Pull" and "explosives" are mutually exclusive to cogent English speakers.

Any and all assertions that Silverstein said "pull" as a substitute for "explode" are too idiotic to merit any response except ridicule.

So, "pull the trigger" means to take the bullets out of the gun?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   14:46:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Original_Intent (#90)

So, "pull the trigger" means to take the bullets out of the gun?

When you "pull the trigger" does the ***trigger*** move towards you, or away from you?

Hmmmm. Once again, "pull" means "move towards me" and not "blow up" to a coherent English speaker.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   14:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: AGAviator (#91)

Hmmmm. Once again, "pull" means "move towards me" and not "blow up" to a coherent English speaker.

You know how it is. Pull means push, lies mean truth, war means peace.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-07   14:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: AGAviator (#89)

So what? The core column disintegrated into dust, which should be virtually impossible. That, and the exterior walls ALSO fell apart as if they were made of matchsticks.

Those buildings were NOT some flimsy Lego structure, they withstood high winds for decades, AND one of them had a severe office fire years earlier which lasted for HOURS, yet had no issues with structural integrity.

The fuel from the airplanes was consummed in the first few minutes after impact, and MOST of it was expended OUTSIDE in huge balls of flame. THAT is stated in the NIST report, and/or the FEMA report.

So no, the buildings did not fall because the "steel got too hot", as most of the heat was wicked away by the rest of the building which acted like a huge heatsink.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   14:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: FormerLurker (#88)

The actual bottom of the tower during construction;

The 3-level lattice works to the far left, beneath the crane, and the far right, mostly obscured, are not parts of the building.

They are exterior scaffolding.

There is additional exterior scaffolding, and crane framework, around the center core under construction.

When finished, the center core was smaller than the photo shows because the scaffolding and the crane framework was removed.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   14:58:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Turtle, buckeroo (#92)

You know how it is. Pull means push, lies mean truth, war means peace.

Psy Ops 101.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   14:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: AGAviator (#83)

Metaphors must be new to your planet.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-07-07   15:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: FormerLurker (#93)

Those buildings were NOT some flimsy Lego structure, they withstood high winds for decades, AND one of them had a severe office fire years earlier which lasted for HOURS, yet had no issues with structural integrity.

The buildings did not withstand 500 knot impacts with anything, shearing off of fire proofing, destruction of load-bearing center columns, and the ignition of tens of thousands of jet fuel, all at the same time. These factors combined to contribute billions of joules of energy that had to be dissipated somewhere, somehow.

And that massiive distribution of energy reverberated throughout the buildings and started shaking things loose, causing eventual collapses.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   15:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: AGAviator (#94)

There is additional exterior scaffolding, and crane framework, around the center core under construction.

When finished, the center core was smaller than the photo shows because the scaffolding and the crane framework was removed.

Oh, then where are the elevator shafts?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#96)

Metaphors must be new to your planet.

Metaphors compare similar items. They do not conflate contradictory and opposite things with each other.

But thanks for playing.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   15:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: FormerLurker (#98) (Edited)

Oh, then where are the elevator shafts?

Eventually, inside the walls of the load-bearing center columns, exactly where the architects and engineers said they should be.

Imagin that. More dead space in the center, meaning more load shifted to the exterior walls with their unique "tube in a tube" design different from conventional lattice work.

Hope that helps.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   15:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: AGAviator (#99)

But thanks for playing.

My turn

Are you saying that the government's account of 911 is the truth?

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-07-07   15:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: AGAviator (#97)

These factors combined to contribute billions of joules of energy that had to be dissipated somewhere, somehow.

The towers DID sway to some extent when they were impacted. They did NOT tumble down as soon as they were hit, and THAT would have been the ONLY way for them to fall if "that's where the energy went".

BILLIONS of Joules? LOL, show me some calculations that can demonstrate that amount of energy was truly there.

Oh, and you are flat out wrong on the impact speed. You stated 500 knots, which equates to 575 mph. The NIST report states 443 mph for WTC 2, and 546 mph for WTC1.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:18:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Flintlock (#101)

Are you saying that the government's account of 911 is the truth?

As far as people and motives, the most truthful account of 911 comes from Osama Bin Laden in October 2004 which I posted above, as well as several other statements OBL made then about wanting to bankrupt America through never-ending guerilla warfare, which is quickly coming to fruition.

As far as the forensic analyses of specific factors, done by professional engineers, building industry experts, law enforcement, security and accounting industry researchers, the facts are largely settled decisively.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   15:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: AGAviator (#103)

the most truthful account of 911 comes from Osama Bin Laden in October 2004 which I posted above

Bin Laden died in December of 2001.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: AGAviator (#103)

As far as the forensic analyses of specific factors, done by professional engineers, building industry experts, law enforcement, security and accounting industry researchers, the facts are largely settled decisively.

Apparently you are quite the idiot, since it is those very people who are questioning the official story.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: FormerLurker (#104)

Bin Laden died in December of 2001.

And then in October 2004 he returned back from the dead to

(1) Make a TV interview upbraiding Bush for lying to the American people,
(2) Tell the American people the US military industrial complex is not acting in their best interests,
(3) Condemn the American relationship with Israel and cite that as the main reason for the 911 attacks, and
(4) Explicitly express his expectation and hope that ongoing American warfare against the Islamic world would eventually bankrupt the United States the same way Afghanistan bankrupted the Soviet Uniton.
And not even his followers call him a holy man or a prophet.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   15:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: FormerLurker (#105)

Since it is those very people who are questioning the official story

Bull flocking shit.

Show papers written by any of them backed by evidence and not internet k00klather hot air. Also show where they give their speeches and lectures.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   15:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: AGAviator (#103)

As far as people and motives, the most truthful account of 911 comes from Osama Bin Laden in October 2004 which I posted above, as well as several other statements OBL made then about wanting to bankrupt America through never-ending guerilla warfare, which is quickly coming to fruition.

Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years - and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror?

In fact, the REAL bin Laden CONDEMNED the 9/11 attacks...

Bin-Ladin Denies Involvement in the 9/11 Attacks


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:35:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: AGAviator (#107)

Show papers written by any of them backed by evidence and not internet k00klather hot air. Also show where they give their speeches and lectures.

Hey genius, did you bother clicking on the link I posted?

Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials Question the 9/11 Commission Report


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: AGAviator (#106) (Edited)

And then in October 2004 he returned back from the dead to

An imposter whom any reasonable person can easily see is not bin Laden.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: AGAviator (#107)

Bull flocking shit.

Try this on for size Einstein...

1222 architectural and engineering professionals and 8794 other supporters including A&E students have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: FormerLurker (#102)

You stated 500 knots, which equates to 575 mph. The NIST report states 443 mph for WTC 2, and 546 mph for WTC1.

The above numbers are are correct. However given that kinetic energy from crashes depends on velocity squared, the energy rekleased from the crashes was still billions of joules: "Gigajoules"

Energy Transfer in the WTC Collapse

All energy values are quoted as averages of each aircraft impact and each tower collapse and are expressed in Gigajoules = 10*9 J

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   15:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: AGAviator (#112)

Energy Transfer in the WTC Collapse

Hey brilliant one, that link talks about the COLLAPSE energy, not the IMPACT energy.

One major mistake the author makes in his analysis is that much of the MASS of the WTC towers was lost LATERALLY in the dust clouds that were ejected, thus his calcuations concerning momentum are flat out bogus.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: FormerLurker (#111)

8794 other supporters including A&E students have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.

The petition is open to everyone.

So a bunch of un-degreed kiddies without any real world credentials or expertise demanding an "independent investigation" equates to a refutation of official reports by the people who would be teaching them and mentoring them on their first jobs?

Whooo-hoo.

Where's their own investigation reports?

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   15:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: AGAviator (#103)

It was a simple question yet you're afraid to answer it with a yes or no.

Let me repeat it:

Are you saying that the government's account of 911 is the truth?

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-07-07   16:11:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: FormerLurker (#113)

that link talks about the COLLAPSE energy,

Arm-waving. The impacts had to have enough energy to initiate the collapses.

I'm curious. How does it feel to be dead-ass wrong almost every single time you open your mouth or hit the "post" key. With the exception of the impact speeds.

B-25 Empire State Building Collision (Compared to Boeing 767 WTC)

The twin towers of the World Trade Center, by comparison, were struck by Boeing 767 airliners traveling over twice as fast and weighing nearly 15 times as much as a B-25. The energy of impact for the two planes ranged from 2 billion ft-lb (2.6 billion Joules) to 3 billion ft-lb (4.1 billion Joules), some 60 to 100 times greater than that absorbed by the Empire State Building.

This estimate is also conservative

since it does not account for the energy released by the exploding jet fuel, which greatly exceeded the energy released by the much smaller B-25 fuel supply as well. The greater kinetic energy allowed the 767 aircraft to penetrate much further into the twin towers than the B-25 was able to do at the Empire State Building.

Most of the B-25 impact was absorbed by the building's exterior wall leaving very little to damage the interior structure. The 767 impacts, however, not only produced gaping holes in the WTC exterior but also destroyed much of the structural core at the center of each tower.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Turtle (#0)

the only thing the world received from Hitler was millions of lost lives and the genocide of an entire race of people.

Even in tabloids the hoax has to be reinforced, albeit in a sarcastic way.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-07-07   16:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: AGAviator (#112) (Edited)

The above numbers are are correct. However given that kinetic energy from crashes depends on velocity squared, the energy rekleased from the crashes was still billions of joules: "Gigajoules"

Since you can't show the calculations yourself, let me help.

First off the maximum takeoff weight for a 767-200 is 315,000 lbs. The planes were NOT carrying maximum fuel as they were on a continental flight vs a transoceanic or intercontinental flight. But we'll work with the maximum figure anyways.

Here's the equation;

E = 1/2 mv2, where E = energy (joules), m = mass (kilograms), and v = velocity (meters/second)

Converting pounds to kilograms, the max weight of the aircraft is as follows;

1 pound = 0.45359237 kilograms

315,000 lbs. = 14,881.6 kg [Edit: I inadvertantly copied the result wrong, it's off by a factor of 10, so the actual value should be 148,816 kg - FL]

Now for velocity, we'll convert mph to meters per second.

1 mph = 0.44704 meters per second

For the fastest plane, the velocity specified in the NIST reports was 546 mph.

546 mph = 244.1 meters per second

Plugging the values into the formula we have this...

(14,881.6 kg * (244.1 m/s)2)/2 = 443,358,664 joules, or 443.4 MEGA Joules.

[Edit: 4.434 GIGA Joules- FL]

That's a THOUSAND [Edit: ok, so I was off - FL] times less energy than you claim.

And that's with the HIGHEST values for weight and speed, where the actual weight was less.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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