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Title: Barack Obama: Shape Shifting Reptilian Overlord or Pure Human?
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Published: Jul 4, 2010
Author: russell huebsch
Post Date: 2010-07-04 14:41:52 by Turtle
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Views: 17096
Comments: 362

Is Barack Obama really a shape shifting reptilian humanoid from a far away galaxy bent on the enslavement of the human race? According to David Icke, who claims on his web site that most world leaders come from a line of reptilians originating in the Alpha Draconis, Barack Obama is most likely a blood drinking shape shifter bent on progressing the New World Order. Icke's reptilian theory makes the claim that reptilians plan to control humanity and other civilizations through fear and negative emotion, a food source for the reptilian. Icke believes the reptilians plan for world domination started to unravel with the September 11 attacks on New York and Obama's presidency will lead us into this "New World Order", but is this just mere babbling from a sick mind or does this theory have some legitimacy? Here are signs that the Obama reptilian conspiracy is true.

"Change we need": Has Obama told us all along that he is a changeling/shape shifting reptilian? Think about it, change always happens when a new president enters office, perhaps Obama's corporeal body is crying out to the world that a shape shifting reptilian alien has hijacked his avatar. "Change" might also be a code word for reptilian dictators across the globe that America has elected another shape shifter as president. Even Adolph Hitler claimed to bring change for the German people, but as we know all the only thing the world received from Hitler was millions of lost lives and the genocide of an entire race of people. Whatever this "change" really means it certainly does not bode well for the future of America and even worse for the human race.

The questionable birth certificate: Why would any presidential candidate try so desperately to hide a real birth certificate? Perhaps because reptilian overlords do not receive birth certificates, they congeal out of a pile of goo! The voting public would never vote for a space reptilian and if the plan for world domination ever leaked to the general there would be mass chaos, thus the Republican party could never reveal Obama's true ancestry and the reptilian conspiracy continues.

Poster Comment:

I always thought Obama was just half kaffir and half white trash race traitor. But perhaps he's a David Icke blood-drinking shape-shifting space reptile...

I, for one, welcome our new reptilian overloads. I'll point out to them all my enemies, so they can eat them.

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#108. To: AGAviator (#103)

As far as people and motives, the most truthful account of 911 comes from Osama Bin Laden in October 2004 which I posted above, as well as several other statements OBL made then about wanting to bankrupt America through never-ending guerilla warfare, which is quickly coming to fruition.

Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years - and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror?

In fact, the REAL bin Laden CONDEMNED the 9/11 attacks...

Bin-Ladin Denies Involvement in the 9/11 Attacks

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:35:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#109. To: AGAviator (#107)

Show papers written by any of them backed by evidence and not internet k00klather hot air. Also show where they give their speeches and lectures.

Hey genius, did you bother clicking on the link I posted?

Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials Question the 9/11 Commission Report

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#110. To: AGAviator (#106) (Edited)

And then in October 2004 he returned back from the dead to

An imposter whom any reasonable person can easily see is not bin Laden.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#111. To: AGAviator (#107)

Bull flocking shit.

Try this on for size Einstein...

1222 architectural and engineering professionals and 8794 other supporters including A&E students have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#112. To: FormerLurker (#102)

You stated 500 knots, which equates to 575 mph. The NIST report states 443 mph for WTC 2, and 546 mph for WTC1.

The above numbers are are correct. However given that kinetic energy from crashes depends on velocity squared, the energy rekleased from the crashes was still billions of joules: "Gigajoules"

Energy Transfer in the WTC Collapse

All energy values are quoted as averages of each aircraft impact and each tower collapse and are expressed in Gigajoules = 10*9 J

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   15:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#113. To: AGAviator (#112)

Energy Transfer in the WTC Collapse

Hey brilliant one, that link talks about the COLLAPSE energy, not the IMPACT energy.

One major mistake the author makes in his analysis is that much of the MASS of the WTC towers was lost LATERALLY in the dust clouds that were ejected, thus his calcuations concerning momentum are flat out bogus.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   15:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#114. To: FormerLurker (#111)

8794 other supporters including A&E students have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.

The petition is open to everyone.

So a bunch of un-degreed kiddies without any real world credentials or expertise demanding an "independent investigation" equates to a refutation of official reports by the people who would be teaching them and mentoring them on their first jobs?

Whooo-hoo.

Where's their own investigation reports?

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   15:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#115. To: AGAviator (#103)

It was a simple question yet you're afraid to answer it with a yes or no.

Let me repeat it:

Are you saying that the government's account of 911 is the truth?

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-07-07   16:11:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#116. To: FormerLurker (#113)

that link talks about the COLLAPSE energy,

Arm-waving. The impacts had to have enough energy to initiate the collapses.

I'm curious. How does it feel to be dead-ass wrong almost every single time you open your mouth or hit the "post" key. With the exception of the impact speeds.

B-25 Empire State Building Collision (Compared to Boeing 767 WTC)

The twin towers of the World Trade Center, by comparison, were struck by Boeing 767 airliners traveling over twice as fast and weighing nearly 15 times as much as a B-25. The energy of impact for the two planes ranged from 2 billion ft-lb (2.6 billion Joules) to 3 billion ft-lb (4.1 billion Joules), some 60 to 100 times greater than that absorbed by the Empire State Building.

This estimate is also conservative

since it does not account for the energy released by the exploding jet fuel, which greatly exceeded the energy released by the much smaller B-25 fuel supply as well. The greater kinetic energy allowed the 767 aircraft to penetrate much further into the twin towers than the B-25 was able to do at the Empire State Building.

Most of the B-25 impact was absorbed by the building's exterior wall leaving very little to damage the interior structure. The 767 impacts, however, not only produced gaping holes in the WTC exterior but also destroyed much of the structural core at the center of each tower.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#117. To: Turtle (#0)

the only thing the world received from Hitler was millions of lost lives and the genocide of an entire race of people.

Even in tabloids the hoax has to be reinforced, albeit in a sarcastic way.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-07-07   16:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#118. To: AGAviator (#112) (Edited)

The above numbers are are correct. However given that kinetic energy from crashes depends on velocity squared, the energy rekleased from the crashes was still billions of joules: "Gigajoules"

Since you can't show the calculations yourself, let me help.

First off the maximum takeoff weight for a 767-200 is 315,000 lbs. The planes were NOT carrying maximum fuel as they were on a continental flight vs a transoceanic or intercontinental flight. But we'll work with the maximum figure anyways.

Here's the equation;

E = 1/2 mv2, where E = energy (joules), m = mass (kilograms), and v = velocity (meters/second)

Converting pounds to kilograms, the max weight of the aircraft is as follows;

1 pound = 0.45359237 kilograms

315,000 lbs. = 14,881.6 kg [Edit: I inadvertantly copied the result wrong, it's off by a factor of 10, so the actual value should be 148,816 kg - FL]

Now for velocity, we'll convert mph to meters per second.

1 mph = 0.44704 meters per second

For the fastest plane, the velocity specified in the NIST reports was 546 mph.

546 mph = 244.1 meters per second

Plugging the values into the formula we have this...

(14,881.6 kg * (244.1 m/s)2)/2 = 443,358,664 joules, or 443.4 MEGA Joules.

[Edit: 4.434 GIGA Joules- FL]

That's a THOUSAND [Edit: ok, so I was off - FL] times less energy than you claim.

And that's with the HIGHEST values for weight and speed, where the actual weight was less.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#119. To: Flintlock (#115)

It was a simple question yet you're afraid to answer it with a yes or no.

Let me repeat it:

Are you saying that the government's account of 911 is the truth?

The only place a "government account of 911" exists is in your addled brain.

Cite specific reports, dealing with specific subjects, instead of armwaving k00kblather about the gubmint conspiracies.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#120. To: FormerLurker (#118) (Edited)

And that's with the HIGHEST values for weight and speed, where the actual weight was less.

Already answered above Post #116, and you aren't including the energy from the jet fuel.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#121. To: AGAviator (#114)

So a bunch of un-degreed kiddies without any real world credentials or expertise demanding

So you ignore the 1222 DEGREED experts and hop on the students, what a honest person you are...

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#122. To: FormerLurker (#104)

the most truthful account of 911 comes from Osama Bin Laden in October 2004 which I posted above

Bin Laden died in December of 2001.

Lessee - my memory is hazy did Osama Ben Forgotten die before the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp or after the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp?

I know it was before the amazing Nick Berg video PsyOp where he gets his head cut off by a Russian Speaking Muslim with a gold ring (forbidden in Islam) onlooking, with his turban tied the wrong way, and doesn't bleed from the severed Carotid Artery.

Oh, and you can always tell when you are dealing with a "hired gun" disinformationist because they will never admit to ANY inconsistency in the "Official Conspiracy Theory™".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#123. To: AGAviator (#120)

Already answered above, and you aren't including the energy from the jet fuel.

Are you dense? The maximum takeoff weight INCLUDES the weight of the fuel there genius.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#124. To: AGAviator (#119)

The only place a "government account of 911" exists is in your addled brain.

YOU are reciting the "government account of 9/11" here, and reject any physical evidence which contradicts your religious belief in the "official 9/11 story".

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#125. To: FormerLurker (#121)

So you ignore the 1222 DEGREED

Oh goodie, they have degrees.

Where's their report? With facts, interviews, tables, and conclusions.

And what does asking for an independent investigation have to do with saying something is totally false, hmm? Which they do not say at all.

Is their report going to show up in some "Send $800 to Dubai to Get Published" journal?

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:19:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#126. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#121)

So a bunch of un-degreed kiddies without any real world credentials or expertise demanding

So you ignore the 1222 DEGREED experts and hop on the students, what a honest person you are...

It is always amusing, and always predictable, that when you corner a Septic/Disinformationist that they will focus on a minor detail and attempt to inflate it into a Strawman Argument to divert from the point they are unwilling or unable to address without having their argument filed in "File 13". Next he'll try "Peak Oil" or "Glowbull Warming".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#127. To: AGAviator (#116) (Edited)

The twin towers of the World Trade Center, by comparison, were struck by Boeing 767 airliners traveling over twice as fast and weighing nearly 15 times as much as a B-25. The energy of impact for the two planes ranged from 2 billion ft-lb (2.6 billion Joules) to 3 billion ft-lb (4.1 billion Joules), some 60 to 100 times greater than that absorbed by the Empire State Building.

That is an outright lie, as can be easily seen by anyone with an understanding of high school physics and the ability to look up specs from Boeing.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:19:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#128. To: AGAviator (#125)

Oh goodie, they have degrees.

Where's their report? With facts, interviews, tables, and conclusions.

Are you too freaking lazy to click the link?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#129. To: FormerLurker (#124)

YOU are reciting the "government account of 9/11" here

Projection and arm waving.

Once again, cite specific documents, subject matter, conclusions, and facts.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#130. To: AGAviator (#97)

And that massiive distribution of energy reverberated throughout the buildings and started shaking things loose, causing eventual collapses.

You got to be one of the dumbest Israeli boot lickers of all time.

The buildings were designed to withstand jet planes hitting them. They were designed to sway in strong winds. The impact didn't cause the building to sway any more than a windy day would. The wind never shook things loose and caused it to collapse in all the years it was standing. The 1975 fire in the North tower, which was much longer and hotter than those of 9/11, didn't melt the steel starting a collapse. Go ask your uncle izzie if he will help you with this one. LOL!

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-07-07   16:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#131. To: Original_Intent (#126)

When it's obvious the person is ignoring actual evidence that is provided, comes up with false figures and fabricated "facts", and continuously asks for "proof" which has already been provided, you know you're not talking with someone who is here to discuss something rationally.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:21:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#132. To: AGAviator (#129)

Projection and arm waving.

Oh, then what are YOU doing? Where are you pulling your "facts" from, your ass?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#133. To: AGAviator (#119)

instead of armwaving k00kblather about the gubmint conspiracies.

The KOOK here is you, where you pull numbers out of the air with no basis in fact, and present them as scientific evidence.

Besides, point out ONE post I've made on this thread which mentions "gubmint conspiracies". Guilty conscience, eh?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#134. To: FormerLurker (#127)

That is an outright lie, as can be easily seen by anyone with an understanding of high school physics and the ability to look up specs from Boing.

So show the calculations, windbag.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#135. To: FormerLurker (#132)

Projection and arm waving. Oh, then what are YOU doing? Where are you pulling your "facts" from, your ass?

I have posted and linked from one source after another.

Next.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#136. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, all (#125)

So you ignore the 1222 DEGREED

Oh goodie, they have degrees.

Where's their report? With facts, interviews, tables, and conclusions.

And what does asking for an independent investigation have to do with saying something is totally false, hmm? Which they do not say at all.

Is their report going to show up in some "Send $800 to Dubai to Get Published" journal?

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

Oh goodie, they have degrees.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

Where's their report? With facts, interviews, tables, and conclusions.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

Example: 'Since you know so much, if James Earl Ray is as innocent as you claim, who really killed Martin Luther King, how was it planned and executed, how did they frame Ray and fool the FBI, and why?'

And what does asking for an independent investigation have to do with saying something is totally false, hmm? Which they do not say at all.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

Is their report going to show up in some "Send $800 to Dubai to Get Published" journal?

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

Example: 'With the talk-show circuit and the book deal, it looks like you can make a pretty good living spreading lies.'

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:29:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#137. To: AGAviator (#135)

I have posted and linked from one source after another.

You have posted from KOOK sites which lie about the impact energy, that and YOU have either lied in presenting the collapse energy as the impact energy, or you're too stupid to know the difference between the two.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#138. To: FormerLurker (#131)

When it's obvious the person is ignoring actual evidence that is provided, comes up with false figures and fabricated "facts", and continuously asks for "proof" which has already been provided, you know you're not talking with someone who is here to discuss something rationally.

Yes, that became readily apparent, oh, say, 75 to 100 posts ago. ;-)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#139. To: AGAviator (#134)

So show the calculations, windbag.

Hey genius, look at post 118, it's pretty simple to calculate the MAXIMUM possible energy value, and that would equal 443 Mega Joules, NOT Giga Joules.

Can you follow simple math?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#140. To: RickyJ (#130)

The buildings were designed to withstand jet planes hitting them.

And the Titanic was designed to be unsinkable.

The buildings were not designed to have impacts at full throttle, loaded with fuel for a trip across the country, shearing off of spray on fire protection, and impact speed great enough to cause penetration and severing of critical internal support columns.

All aircraft within city boundaries are expected to fly below 250 Knots. No exceptions, even if explicitly authorized. The jets were traveling hundreds of MPH over that.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#141. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, all (#139)

So show the calculations, windbag.

Hey genius, look at post 118, it's pretty simple to calculate the MAXIMUM possible energy value, and that would equal 443 Mega Joules, NOT Giga Joules.

Can you follow simple math?

That would require doing something not in the briefing book and tactics manual. Math?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#142. To: FormerLurker (#139)

Hey genius, look at post 118,

Already answered #116. Try to keep up. I know it's difficult.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:37:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#143. To: FormerLurker (#123)

The maximum takeoff weight INCLUDES the weight of the fuel there genius.

Moron, when fuel burns it releases energy totally separate from its weight.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#144. To: Original_Intent (#141)

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#145. To: AGAviator (#143)

Moron, when fuel burns it releases energy totally separate from its weight.

In terms of IMPACT ENERGY, which YOU are trying to present in values THOUSANDS of times higher than physically possible, the weight of the airplane and fuel are the proper factors.

When fuel burns, it release HEAT, not KINETIC energy.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#146. To: AGAviator (#142)

Already answered #116. Try to keep up. I know it's difficult.

Post 116 is bullshit, and presents lies as facts.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#147. To: Original_Intent (#122) (Edited)

Lessee - my memory is hazy did Osama Ben Forgotten die before the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp or after the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp?

Who was telling the entire United States, on national TV, speaking in Arabic, in October 2004, that the military industrial complex was running America, that America was attacked not because of Muslims hating freedom but because of American support of Israel, and that ultimately America would become bankrupted fighting Middle East wars just as Russia got bankrupted in Afghanistan?

Who exactly was on the TV at that time criticizing just about every conceivable action taken by the USG in its WOT and pursuit of OBL, idjit?

Your mother?

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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