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Title: Barack Obama: Shape Shifting Reptilian Overlord or Pure Human?
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Published: Jul 4, 2010
Author: russell huebsch
Post Date: 2010-07-04 14:41:52 by Turtle
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Views: 17136
Comments: 362

Is Barack Obama really a shape shifting reptilian humanoid from a far away galaxy bent on the enslavement of the human race? According to David Icke, who claims on his web site that most world leaders come from a line of reptilians originating in the Alpha Draconis, Barack Obama is most likely a blood drinking shape shifter bent on progressing the New World Order. Icke's reptilian theory makes the claim that reptilians plan to control humanity and other civilizations through fear and negative emotion, a food source for the reptilian. Icke believes the reptilians plan for world domination started to unravel with the September 11 attacks on New York and Obama's presidency will lead us into this "New World Order", but is this just mere babbling from a sick mind or does this theory have some legitimacy? Here are signs that the Obama reptilian conspiracy is true.

"Change we need": Has Obama told us all along that he is a changeling/shape shifting reptilian? Think about it, change always happens when a new president enters office, perhaps Obama's corporeal body is crying out to the world that a shape shifting reptilian alien has hijacked his avatar. "Change" might also be a code word for reptilian dictators across the globe that America has elected another shape shifter as president. Even Adolph Hitler claimed to bring change for the German people, but as we know all the only thing the world received from Hitler was millions of lost lives and the genocide of an entire race of people. Whatever this "change" really means it certainly does not bode well for the future of America and even worse for the human race.

The questionable birth certificate: Why would any presidential candidate try so desperately to hide a real birth certificate? Perhaps because reptilian overlords do not receive birth certificates, they congeal out of a pile of goo! The voting public would never vote for a space reptilian and if the plan for world domination ever leaked to the general there would be mass chaos, thus the Republican party could never reveal Obama's true ancestry and the reptilian conspiracy continues.

Poster Comment:

I always thought Obama was just half kaffir and half white trash race traitor. But perhaps he's a David Icke blood-drinking shape-shifting space reptile...

I, for one, welcome our new reptilian overloads. I'll point out to them all my enemies, so they can eat them.

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YOU are reciting the "government account of 9/11" here

Projection and arm waving.

Once again, cite specific documents, subject matter, conclusions, and facts.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And that massiive distribution of energy reverberated throughout the buildings and started shaking things loose, causing eventual collapses.

You got to be one of the dumbest Israeli boot lickers of all time.

The buildings were designed to withstand jet planes hitting them. They were designed to sway in strong winds. The impact didn't cause the building to sway any more than a windy day would. The wind never shook things loose and caused it to collapse in all the years it was standing. The 1975 fire in the North tower, which was much longer and hotter than those of 9/11, didn't melt the steel starting a collapse. Go ask your uncle izzie if he will help you with this one. LOL!

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-07-07   16:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When it's obvious the person is ignoring actual evidence that is provided, comes up with false figures and fabricated "facts", and continuously asks for "proof" which has already been provided, you know you're not talking with someone who is here to discuss something rationally.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:21:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Projection and arm waving.

Oh, then what are YOU doing? Where are you pulling your "facts" from, your ass?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

instead of armwaving k00kblather about the gubmint conspiracies.

The KOOK here is you, where you pull numbers out of the air with no basis in fact, and present them as scientific evidence.

Besides, point out ONE post I've made on this thread which mentions "gubmint conspiracies". Guilty conscience, eh?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That is an outright lie, as can be easily seen by anyone with an understanding of high school physics and the ability to look up specs from Boing.

So show the calculations, windbag.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Projection and arm waving. Oh, then what are YOU doing? Where are you pulling your "facts" from, your ass?

I have posted and linked from one source after another.

Next.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you ignore the 1222 DEGREED

Oh goodie, they have degrees.

Where's their report? With facts, interviews, tables, and conclusions.

And what does asking for an independent investigation have to do with saying something is totally false, hmm? Which they do not say at all.

Is their report going to show up in some "Send $800 to Dubai to Get Published" journal?

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

Oh goodie, they have degrees.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

Where's their report? With facts, interviews, tables, and conclusions.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

Example: 'Since you know so much, if James Earl Ray is as innocent as you claim, who really killed Martin Luther King, how was it planned and executed, how did they frame Ray and fool the FBI, and why?'

And what does asking for an independent investigation have to do with saying something is totally false, hmm? Which they do not say at all.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

Is their report going to show up in some "Send $800 to Dubai to Get Published" journal?

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

Example: 'With the talk-show circuit and the book deal, it looks like you can make a pretty good living spreading lies.'

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:29:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have posted and linked from one source after another.

You have posted from KOOK sites which lie about the impact energy, that and YOU have either lied in presenting the collapse energy as the impact energy, or you're too stupid to know the difference between the two.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When it's obvious the person is ignoring actual evidence that is provided, comes up with false figures and fabricated "facts", and continuously asks for "proof" which has already been provided, you know you're not talking with someone who is here to discuss something rationally.

Yes, that became readily apparent, oh, say, 75 to 100 posts ago. ;-)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So show the calculations, windbag.

Hey genius, look at post 118, it's pretty simple to calculate the MAXIMUM possible energy value, and that would equal 443 Mega Joules, NOT Giga Joules.

Can you follow simple math?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The buildings were designed to withstand jet planes hitting them.

And the Titanic was designed to be unsinkable.

The buildings were not designed to have impacts at full throttle, loaded with fuel for a trip across the country, shearing off of spray on fire protection, and impact speed great enough to cause penetration and severing of critical internal support columns.

All aircraft within city boundaries are expected to fly below 250 Knots. No exceptions, even if explicitly authorized. The jets were traveling hundreds of MPH over that.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So show the calculations, windbag.

Hey genius, look at post 118, it's pretty simple to calculate the MAXIMUM possible energy value, and that would equal 443 Mega Joules, NOT Giga Joules.

Can you follow simple math?

That would require doing something not in the briefing book and tactics manual. Math?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey genius, look at post 118,

Already answered #116. Try to keep up. I know it's difficult.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:37:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The maximum takeoff weight INCLUDES the weight of the fuel there genius.

Moron, when fuel burns it releases energy totally separate from its weight.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Moron, when fuel burns it releases energy totally separate from its weight.

In terms of IMPACT ENERGY, which YOU are trying to present in values THOUSANDS of times higher than physically possible, the weight of the airplane and fuel are the proper factors.

When fuel burns, it release HEAT, not KINETIC energy.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Already answered #116. Try to keep up. I know it's difficult.

Post 116 is bullshit, and presents lies as facts.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:41:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Lessee - my memory is hazy did Osama Ben Forgotten die before the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp or after the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp?

Who was telling the entire United States, on national TV, speaking in Arabic, in October 2004, that the military industrial complex was running America, that America was attacked not because of Muslims hating freedom but because of American support of Israel, and that ultimately America would become bankrupted fighting Middle East wars just as Russia got bankrupted in Afghanistan?

Who exactly was on the TV at that time criticizing just about every conceivable action taken by the USG in its WOT and pursuit of OBL, idjit?

Your mother?

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In terms of IMPACT ENERGY, which YOU are trying to present in values

I never used impact energy. All energy must be considered. No cherry picking.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   16:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Already answered #116. Try to keep up. I know it's difficult.

Show me the math. I used the reported velocity and the known MAXIMUM weight of the aircraft, and simple physics and math to arrive at the easily calculated MAXIMUM KINETIC ENERGY of the IMPACT.

YOU show me how you can arrive at a figure in the GIGAJOULES range. And I don't want some BS link, I want YOU to present the values and the math.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I never used impact energy. All energy must be considered. No cherry picking.

You can't mix apples with oranges and come out with a solution in cherries.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The buildings were designed to withstand jet planes hitting them.

And the Titanic was designed to be unsinkable.

Weak Analogy

The buildings were not designed to have impacts at full throttle, loaded with fuel for a trip across the country, shearing off of spray on fire protection, and impact speed great enough to cause penetration and severing of critical internal support columns.

The buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a comparably sized Boeing 707.

All aircraft within city boundaries are expected to fly below 250 Knots. No exceptions, even if explicitly authorized. The jets were traveling hundreds of MPH over that.

"...In the early 1970's the World Trade Center's chief structural engineer, Leslie Robertson, calculated the effect of the impact of a Boeing 707 with the World Trade Center towers. His results were reported in the New York Times where it was claimed that Robertson's study proved the towers would withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 moving at 600 miles an hour. Little did he know that decades later two aircraft, almost identical to the Boeing 707, would impact the towers.

Other engineers are on public record as saying that the World Trade Center would even survive an impact of the larger and faster Boeing 747.

The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 707-320B is 336,000 pounds.
The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 767-200ER is 395,000 pounds.

The wingspan of a Boeing 707 is 146 feet.
The wingspan of a Boeing 767 is 156 feet.

The length of a Boeing 707 is 153 feet.
The length of a Boeing 767 is 159 feet.

The Boeing 707 could carry 23,000 gallons of fuel.
The Boeing 767 could carry 23,980 gallons of fuel.

However, the actual aircraft involved in the World Trade Center impacts were only flying from Boston to Los Angeles, and consequently, would have been nowhere near fully fueled on takeoff (the Boeing 767 has a maximum range of 7,600 miles (12,220 km)). The aircraft would have carried just enough fuel for the trip together with some safety factor. Remember, that carrying excess fuel means higher fuel bills and less paying passengers. The aircraft would have also burnt some fuel between Boston and New York.

Government sources estimate that each of the Boeing 767's had approximately 10,000 gallons of unused fuel on board at the times of impact."

A 707 has a faster cruising speed than a 767.

The cruise speed of a Boeing 707 is 607 mph = 890 ft/s,
The cruise speed of a Boeing 767 is 530 mph = 777 ft/s.

So, the Boeing 707 and 767 are very similar aircraft, with the main differences being that the 767 is slightly heavier and more fuel-efficient, and the 707 is faster.

The thrust to weight ratio for a Boeing 707 is 4 x 18,000/336,000 = 0.214286.

The thrust to weight ratio for a Boeing 767 is 2 x 31,500/395,000 = 0.159494.

Since the Boeing 707 had a higher thrust to weight ratio, it would be traveling faster on take-off and on landing.

And, since the Boeing 707 would have started from a faster cruise speed, it would be traveling faster in a dive. So in all the likely variations of an accidental impact with the WTC, the Boeing 707 would be traveling faster. In terms of impact damage, this higher speed would more than compensate for the slightly lower weight of the Boeing 707.

The speed of impact of AA Flight 11 has been estimated to be 470 mph = 689 ft/s.
The speed of impact of UA Flight 175 has been estimated to be 590 mph = 865 ft/s.

The kinetic energy released by the impact of AA Flight 11 was
= 0.5 x 395,000 x (689)2/32.174
= 2.914 billion ft lbs force (3,950,950 Kilojoules).

This is well within limits that the towers were built to survive. So why did the North tower fall?

The kinetic energy released by the impact of UA Flight 175 was
= 0.5 x 395,000 x (865)2/32.174
= 4.593 billion ft lbs force (6,227,270 Kilojoules).

This is within 10 percent of the energy released by the impact of a Boeing 707 at cruise speed. ..."

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You imply that the planes exerted GIGAJOULES of energy when they struck, so you are far from being honest.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   16:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Lessee - my memory is hazy did Osama Ben Forgotten die before the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp or after the phony "Gas the Dog" video PsyOp?

Who was telling the entire United States, on national TV, speaking in Arabic, in October 2004, that the military industrial complex was running America, that America was attacked not because of Muslims hating freedom but because of American support of Israel, and that ultimately America would become bankrupted fighting Middle East wars just as Russia got bankrupted in Afghanistan?

Hard to tell because the video was so bad but the actor did not bear a very close resemblance to the real Osama Ben Forgotten. (Who by the way is Jewish - his mother was the Jewish Daughter of a wealthy Jewish, Mizrahim, Syrian Trading Family. So, under Talmudic Law he is Jewish.)

Who exactly was on the TV at that time criticizing just about every conceivable action taken by the USG in its WOT and pursuit of OBL, idjit?

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

Your mother?

You didn't really expect me to bite on that old worn out tactic did you?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   16:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You do know that that is a liar lawyer you are trying to get through to, right? And you know what Jonathan Swift said about them, don't you?

"In pleading, they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the cause; but are loud, violent, and tedious, in dwelling upon all circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case already mentioned; they never desire to know what claim or title my adversary has to my cow; but whether the said cow were red or black; her horns long or short; whether the field I graze her in be round or square; whether she was milked at home or abroad; what diseases she is subject to, and the like; after which they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years, come to an issue.

"It is likewise to be observed, that this society has a peculiar cant and jargon of their own, that no other mortal can understand, and wherein all their laws are written, which they take special care to multiply; whereby they have wholly confounded the very essence of truth and falsehood, of right and wrong; so that it will take thirty years to decide, whether the field left me by my ancestors for six generations belongs to me, or to a stranger three hundred miles off.

"In the trial of persons accused for crimes against the state, the method is much more short and commendable: the judge first sends to sound the disposition of those in power, after which he can easily hang or save a criminal, strictly preserving all due forms of law."

Here my master interposing, said, "it was a pity, that creatures endowed with such prodigious abilities of mind, as these lawyers, by the description I gave of them, must certainly be, were not rather encouraged to be instructors of others in wisdom and knowledge." In answer to which I assured his honour, "that in all points out of their own trade, they were usually the most ignorant and stupid generation among us, the most despicable in common conversation, avowed enemies to all knowledge and learning, and equally disposed to pervert the general reason of mankind in every other subject of discourse as in that of their own profession."

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-07   16:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In the early 1970's the World Trade Center's chief structural engineer, Leslie Robertson, calculated the effect of the impact of a Boeing 707 with the World Trade Center towers. His results were reported in the New York Times where it was claimed that Robertson's study proved the towers would withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 moving at 600 miles an hour. Little did he know that decades later two aircraft, almost identical to the Boeing 707, would impact the towers.

Link

Robertson said the following in an interview with Steven Jones in October 2006:

“I support the general conclusions of the NIST report… The [WTC] was designed for the impact of a low flying slow flying Boeing 707.

We envisioned it [to be like] the aircraft that struck the Empire State building [during] WW II.

It was not designed for a high speed impact from the jets that actually hit it…

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   17:03:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You imply that the planes exerted GIGAJOULES

Since a gigajoule is a billion joules, correct and already demonstrated.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   17:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The speed of impact of AA Flight 11 has been estimated to be 470 mph = 689 ft/s.

You can't use ft/s to calculate joules directly, since joules are in the MKS (Meters/Kilograms/Seconds) system, not the English system. The English equivalent would be foot pounds.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   17:07:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Since a gigajoule is a billion joules, correct and already demonstrated.

True, a gigajoule is a billion joules, but you are WRONG in terms of the WTC impacts since the HEAVIEST plane and the FASTEST velocity resulted in 443 MILLION JOULES, as I easily presented in post 118.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   17:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

True but you can easily convert from one to the other. I have a widget on my dashboard that will do it for me.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   17:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

Twenty Five Ways to Tap Dance Around Specific Issues by Using Arm Waving Psychobabble.

Hard to tell because the video was so bad but the actor did not bear a very close resemblance to the real Osama Ben Forgotten. (Who by the way is Jewish - his mother was the Jewish Daughter.

Great. An impostor Joo pretending to be an Arab gives a speech in Arabic saying that the US was attacked not because of its freedoms, but because of its support of Israel especially its brutal attacks on Lebanon and other Muslims since 1982.

Then predicting and hoping that the US will go into bankruptcy - unthought of at the time the report was issued (Late October 2004). Some model joo agent.

About as sensible as anything else you've had to say. Are you ever lucid?

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   17:18:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And your point. You have yet to provide a credible mechanism that shows how an airplane impact accompanied by low temperature fires collapsed a steel framed structure in a linear descent, a mere one hour after the impact, almost exactly into its own footprint.

You have routinely selectively omitted or misrepresented data throughout the thread. You used a graphic which omitted the heavy steel and concrete nature of the building cores, and you have provided no conclusive evidence which refutes the work of the scientists and engineers who have spent man days analyzing the physics of the collapse, nor can you, or have you, refuted the presence of energetic nanotherimites in the residue of the collapsed structures. The only thing you had was another disinformation tactic of accusing one of the individuals of trying to profit. However, you did not refute the actual data.

Please feel free to continue diverting, avoiding, and using all the tricks of the disinformationist's trade, but any objective reader of the thread would conclude that you are Joe Isuzu's evil twin.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-07   17:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

FASTEST velocity resulted in 443 MILLION JOULES, as I easily presented in post 118.

For the 3rd time you are ignoring the energy from the burning jet fuel, which BTW at elevated floors sucking air from below burns hotter than normal, as any fireman with experience fighting updraft "chimney fires" can state.

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AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   17:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You have yet to provide a credible mechanism that shows how an airplane impact accompanied by low temperature fires collapsed a steel framed structure in a linear descent, a mere one hour after the impact, almost exactly into its own footprint.

The facts that aircraft traveling at maximum speeds with substantial loads of fuel crashed into the WTC towers, set off fires, sheared off fire protection, and destroyed load bearing supports are completely undeniable.

And within a few hours max of these impacts, the buildings collapsed. And there have been volumnious reports done by professionals who make their livings putting up and taking down buildings, correlating the two events.

The burden is upon you to show these events were not correlated. You cannot do this, so instead go onto tangents about people, motive, eebil gubmint, and psychobabble.

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AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   17:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The facts that aircraft traveling at maximum speeds with substantial loads of fuel crashed into the WTC towers, set off fires, sheared off fire protection, and destroyed load bearing supports are completely undeniable.

And within a few hours max of these impacts, the buildings collapsed. And there have been volumnious reports done by professionals who make their livings putting up and taking down buildings, correlating the two events.

The burden is upon you to show these events were not correlated. You cannot do this, so instead go onto tangents about people, motive, eebil gubmint, and psychobabble.

This is not a court of law.

Fact is, steel doesn't need fire protection and the load bearing supports were not destroyed by fire.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-07   17:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The speed of impact of UA Flight 175 has been estimated to be 590 mph = 865 ft/s.

The kinetic energy released by the impact of UA Flight 175 was = 0.5 x 395,000 x (865)2/32.174 = 4.593 billion ft lbs force (6,227,270 Kilojoules).

The speed is a bit different than what NIST presented, where they report 546 for the speed of Flight 175 at impact, but those reports have ranged from 430 to 500 to 540.

But we'll take 590 just for the heck of it..

1 mph = 0.44704 m / s 590 mph = 264 m/s

The maximum takeoff weight for a 767-200ER ( I had earlier thought it was a 767- 200, so I used a lower takeoff weight, but here I'll use the maximum takeoff weight of a 767-200ER) is 395,000 lbs.

1 pound = 0.45359237 kilograms

395,000 pounds = 179169 kg

E = 1/2mv²

so...

0.5 * 179169 kg * (264 m/s)² = 6,243,681,312 Joules, or 6.24 GigaJoules

Thing is, the speed was not 590 mph, the highest reported speed was 546...

So, with 546 mph, the result changes dramatically...

546 mph = 244.1 meters per second

0.5 * 179169 kg * (244 m/s)² = 5,333,502,792 Joules, or 5.33 GigaJoules

Looks like my first result was off by a factor of 10. Apparently I copied the result of the conversion from pounds to kilograms wrong.

So AGAviator, ok, the impact energy WAS somewhere around 6 GJ or so, probably more like 3 or 4 GJ since the plane was only carrying half it's fuel capacity.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   17:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

For the 3rd time you are ignoring the energy from the burning jet fuel

The burning fuel did not add to the IMPACT energy. It simply raised the TEMPERATURE of the structure.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-07   17:40:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Try this on for size Einstein...

1222 architectural and engineering professionals and 8794 other supporters including A&E students have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation.

From your own link

I don't claim to know what really happened on 9/11. I cannot examine the facts of the matter first hand. And I don't have the experience to know what's possible and what is unlikely regarding terrorist activities or military operations. For that analysis, I need to rely on experts. Many of the government employees have spent large portions of their careers studying espionage, terrorism, and military operations throughout the world and have personally planned and carried out United States' military and intelligence activities.

Nor am I an architect, structural engineer, or commercial or military pilot. Their expressions of concern about the official account of 9/11 are also extremely important. I applaud the integrity and courage of all of the individuals listed on the website for publicly supporting the search for the truth about 9/11 in spite of opposition by our government and lack of support in the mainstream news media.

And he explicitly wants to rely on the same educated and accomplished professionals I cite, and you trash as being part of the official conspiracy.

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AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-07   17:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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