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Title: Barack Obama: Shape Shifting Reptilian Overlord or Pure Human?
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Published: Jul 4, 2010
Author: russell huebsch
Post Date: 2010-07-04 14:41:52 by Turtle
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Views: 17347
Comments: 362

Is Barack Obama really a shape shifting reptilian humanoid from a far away galaxy bent on the enslavement of the human race? According to David Icke, who claims on his web site that most world leaders come from a line of reptilians originating in the Alpha Draconis, Barack Obama is most likely a blood drinking shape shifter bent on progressing the New World Order. Icke's reptilian theory makes the claim that reptilians plan to control humanity and other civilizations through fear and negative emotion, a food source for the reptilian. Icke believes the reptilians plan for world domination started to unravel with the September 11 attacks on New York and Obama's presidency will lead us into this "New World Order", but is this just mere babbling from a sick mind or does this theory have some legitimacy? Here are signs that the Obama reptilian conspiracy is true.

"Change we need": Has Obama told us all along that he is a changeling/shape shifting reptilian? Think about it, change always happens when a new president enters office, perhaps Obama's corporeal body is crying out to the world that a shape shifting reptilian alien has hijacked his avatar. "Change" might also be a code word for reptilian dictators across the globe that America has elected another shape shifter as president. Even Adolph Hitler claimed to bring change for the German people, but as we know all the only thing the world received from Hitler was millions of lost lives and the genocide of an entire race of people. Whatever this "change" really means it certainly does not bode well for the future of America and even worse for the human race.

The questionable birth certificate: Why would any presidential candidate try so desperately to hide a real birth certificate? Perhaps because reptilian overlords do not receive birth certificates, they congeal out of a pile of goo! The voting public would never vote for a space reptilian and if the plan for world domination ever leaked to the general there would be mass chaos, thus the Republican party could never reveal Obama's true ancestry and the reptilian conspiracy continues.


Poster Comment:

I always thought Obama was just half kaffir and half white trash race traitor. But perhaps he's a David Icke blood-drinking shape-shifting space reptile...

I, for one, welcome our new reptilian overloads. I'll point out to them all my enemies, so they can eat them.

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#1. To: Turtle (#0)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Why does anyone believe anything he says? I mean, come on!

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-04   16:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: PSUSA (#1)

Why does anyone believe anything he says? I mean, come on!

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He used to be a soccer player and I think the ball hit him in the head too many times.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-04   17:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: PSUSA (#1)

there are some funny as heck vids about the reptilians. turtle, meanwhile buys papa governments version of 9/11 hook line & sinker. so,...

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-04   17:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Turtle (#2)

are balls to the face the only thing you and Icke have in common?


computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-07-04   19:16:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Artisan (#3)

I dont hold that against him.

You have to admit, there are some wacky "theories" out there. They make us look stupid when they start talking about "blue beam" holograms, thermite/thermate (neither are explosives), UFOs, etc. Some are intentional disinfo and others are just plain nuts IMO. In alex jones' case, he's both nuts and a disinfo scumbag.

THe best way is to attack them at the weakest link, and IMO that is bldg. 7. The next weakest link is the pentagon. There are aalso plenty of professionals that agree with us on the towers demolition.

Here is a favorite and I never miss a chance in posting it. killtown.911review.org/pentalawn.html

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-04   19:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Turtle (#2)

He used to be a soccer player and I think the ball hit him in the head too many times.

I also remember reading where we went naked as the day he was born, running thru London. I cant find the story though.

I don't know what he is doing. Personally I think there are some that will do all they can to be considered as internet VIPs. If that means making up some wild shit, they'll do it, knowing that there will be a market for it, and people will fawn all over them. It's a personality cult.

He reminds me of the televangelist scammers, in that they know many are onto their scams, but there are enough idiots out there that will make them rich anyway. They don't care about being exposed.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-04   19:34:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA (#5)

Here is a favorite and I never miss a chance in posting it. killtown.911review.org/pentalawn.html

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That is a good one. Back in the day when BeAChooser used to post on LP and someone (me or anyone else) would post that, he would go completely around the bend hollering KOOK. It was funny.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-04   19:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach (#7)

Sarcasm and satire are great weapons.

I miss the good ol' days when they would drag out the "tin foil hatter" argument. It made for some lively discussions. I dont see that argument used anymore. I guess they know deep down that we are more right than wrong.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-04   19:55:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Turtle (#0)

This makes sense to me, but only because I have been watching non stop episodes of Stargate SG1.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-07-04   23:13:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Turtle (#0)

The voting public would never vote for a space reptilian and if the plan for world domination ever leaked to the general there would be mass chaos, thus the Republican party could never reveal Obama's true ancestry and the reptilian conspiracy continues.

"Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"_H. Simpson

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-07-04   23:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PSUSA (#5)

thermite/thermate (neither are explosives)

You saw the structural steel beams in the WTC that were clearly cut (on an angle to facilitate collapse) as if by a gas cutting torch? That''s what the thermite/thermate was likely used for. They make special porcelain molds to hold the thermite in place as it blows through steel box beams like a hot knife through butter. (pix of box beams cut off clean at Ground Zero)

Remember the You Tube video of a can of thermite burning all the way through a car engine block and landing on the ground underneath? Surely you can understand the utility of exothermic cutting charges in a planned demo that was supposed to be the result of something other than a planned collapse.

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In the background is a tall beam that has been cut but did not fall. If that was done by breakers after the disaster it would have been pulled down by a crane to avoid injury or death to workers in the area.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-07-05   0:23:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: HOUNDDAWG (#11) (Edited)

I disagree.

Cutting charges are shaped high explosive charges. They cut right thru steel with no problem. Why use thermite when cutting charges have been used for years?

Explosions were heard in the towers and reported on the news.

AFA the pics at the link go, were those cut just before the towers fell or during the cleanup?

In the background is a tall beam that has been cut but did not fall. If that was done by breakers after the disaster it would have been pulled down by a crane to avoid injury or death to workers in the area.

There was a lot of rubble that was a danger to workers. Getting rid of it was a process. WHere in the process was that pic taken?

Here is where relying on pics can be problematic, because there is no context.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-05   8:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA (#12)

It takes a great deal more of an explosive charge to blow a steel beam that it takes thermite/thermate to burn it.

Also, explosives used against hard targets have to be tamped, ("Hey, Chief, how come all of the main support columns have sand bags packed against them and wires running out?",) but exothermics work great with nothing but the form fitting (and low profile) porcelain molds to contain them. Also, thermite can be used to precisely cut a steel beam at an angle so it will slide off the "stump" when cut.

Had all of the the beams been blown there would have been no way to make the official fairie tale stick. (Some explosives were used but the witnesses conveniently died) Numerous seismographs would reveal the lies and even self assured know-it-alls couldn't explain them away.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-07-05   15:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: HOUNDDAWG (#13)

but exothermics work great with nothing but the form fitting (and low profile) porcelain molds to contain them.

I wasn't able to verify that. NOt that I'm calling you a liar, because I'm not. But with this topic specifically, I like to check things out for myself.

All I know about explosives I learned thru my own efforts. I never worked with them myself. And there is no way in hell I'd ever make them. Even though the info on how to do it is out there. You just need to be a chemist and have access to nitric acid for many of them, which is hard to come by. SOme even post their explosions on jewtube, the dumbasses.

All I am saying is that this thermite issue is not important, and AFAIK there is no evidence for it. It's a distraction. Cutting charges can do the job very well. They are used all the time.

Oh well. We agree on the basics. IMO that is enough. I dont think we'll ever get the whole story.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-05   18:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: PSUSA, HOUNDDAWG, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, all (#14)

Wake Up and Smell the Aluminothermic Nanocomposite Explosives

Excerpt (There are multiple references at the link):

...By early 2009, the residue testing that NIST refused to do had been done by independent researchers, and reported on in a peer-reviewed chemistry journal. Small bi-layered chips, found consistently in dust samples, have layers of red nano-engineered material that is clearly aluminothermic: it has sub-micron-diameter particles of largely of elemental aluminum, and smaller crystalline grains of primarily Fe2O3. On ignition, the chips produce temperatures above the melting point of iron, leaving tiny iron droplets matching the residues of commercial thermite pyrotechnics. ...

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

Excerpt:

The conclusion of Active Thermitic Materials Discovered reads, in part:

2. The primary elements (Al, Fe, O, Si, C) are typically all present in particles at the scale of tens to hundreds of nanometers, and detailed XEDS mapping shows intimate mixing.
3. On treatment with methyl-ethyl ketone solvent, some segregation of components was observed. Elemental aluminum became sufficiently concentrated to be clearly identified in the pre-ignition material.
4. Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm across whereas the aluminum appears in plate-like structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles qualifies the material to be characterized as nano-thermite or super-thermite. Analysis shows that iron and oxygen are present in a ratio consistent with Fe2O3. The red material in all four WTC dust samples was similar in this way. Iron oxide was found in the pre-ignition material whereas elemental iron was not.
5. From the presence of elemental aluminum and iron oxide in the red material, we conclude that it contains the ingredients of thermite.
6. As measured using DSC, the material ignites and reacts vigorously at a temperature of approximately 430ºC, with a rather narrow exotherm, matching fairly closely an independent observation on a known super-thermite sample. The low temperature of ignition and the presence of iron-oxide grains less than 120 nm show that the material is not conventional thermite (which ignites at temperatures above 900ºC) but very likely a form of super-thermite.
7. After igniting several red/gray chips in a differential scanning calorimeter run to 700ºC, we found numerous iron-rich spheres and spheroids in the residue, indicating that a very high-temperature reaction had occurred, since the iron-rich product clearly must have been molten to form these shapes. ...

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-05   19:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)

You're talking science and others are discussing religious beliefs.

It's like the OJ jury, i.e. "All dat DMA stuff is a buncha white man's voodoo and dey jus' tryin' to hang a beautiful, innocent black man! And, Hell, all he maybe do waz kill a couple of honkies and he prolly won't do it no mo!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-07-05   23:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: HOUNDDAWG (#16)

Point granted.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-06   0:05:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: PSUSA, buckeroo (#14)

All I am saying is that this thermite issue is not important, and AFAIK there is no evidence for it. It's a distraction. Cutting charges can do the job very well. They are used all the time.

There's a fundamental contradiction between alleging that explosives were used at the same time thermite was used on the Twin Towers.

Explosives would scatter the thermite if they detonated first, rendering the thermite useless for cutting, and burning thermite would destroy the cutting charges if it ignited first.

Then there are the hundreds of debunkers with real actual experience in science, technology, and construcion, whose hundreds of statements have to be completely dismissed so the words of a handful of fringe players will not have any rebuttals.

911 "Truther" Conspiracies Debunked - Part IV

Never mind all the scientists and engineers who present findings to the contrary, this one paper is all they want to hear about. Thermite was used by the cleanup crews to remove the large metal pieces of the structures that could not be removed as a whole pice. The claim that thermite brought the towers down is not backed-up by survivors, who would have seen thermite burning, as well as the large amount of smoke.

There is a road to 911 through Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, but it goes through Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Southern Afghanistan, then to "Isaeli Art Students" who were closely monitoring Mohammet Atta in the US, and the "Israeli Moving Company" in New Jersey which had 5 employees filming and celebrating the collapses of the buildings when they happened. The latter were put into jail for 70 days afterwards, then quitely released to Israel without any charges ever being filed.

If waterboarding is supposed to be the way to extract information about terror attacks, then every single Israeli on a passport violation in the US in 2001 with any conceivable connections to Israeli military and intelligence, should have been sent to GITMO and waterboarded mercilessly. With Arab, Pakistani and Afghan suspects sharing the same cell block with them.

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There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-06   2:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: PSUSA (#12)

Cutting charges are shaped high explosive charges. They cut right thru steel with no problem. Why use thermite when cutting charges have been used for years?

Explosive cutting charges and thermite are mutually exclusive. Burning thermite will prevent the cutting charges from going off, and explosing cutting charges will spray and scatter the thermite before it can ignite.

Also various substances alleged to be evicence of naon-thermite - which is never clearly defined - are actually ashes and debris from sources as diverse as incinerated office copy machine toner, paint, carpeting, and furniture.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-06   2:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: AGAviator (#19)

Also various substances alleged to be evicence of naon-thermite - which is never clearly defined - are actually ashes and debris from sources as diverse as incinerated office copy machine toner, paint, carpeting, and furniture.

And your proof of that is?

The links I provided to above are analyses done by Chemists and Physicists who know their profession and know what they are looking at.

The physical evidence supports the use of nanothermites.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-06   2:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)

LOL I almost brought up 9/11 in that list we were making on the other thread.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   2:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#20)

The physical evidence supports the use of nanothermites.

No it doesn't.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-06   2:55:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#20)

The links I provided to above are analyses done by Chemists and Physicists who know their profession and know what they are looking at.

The physical evidence supports the use of nanothermites

(1) Until the debris and ashes from millions of tons of office products, mixed together violently and mechanically, burnt for weeks, sprayed with water, can be rigorously accounted for, you don't know what you had in the debris pile and where exactly everything came from.

(2) All CT theories totally ignore the tremendous amount of energy - billions of joules - contributed to the collapses by

(A) 500,000 tons of gravitational force,

(B) 2 aircraft weighing nearly 400,000 pounds fully loaded with fuel traveling over 500 mph at impact, and

(C) 23,000 gallons of jet fuel burning.

Why are the massive incontrovertibly known energies contributed by these aircraft collision variables totally ignored, while hypothetically speculated substances that can't even be rigorously defined, are put forth as real causes?

What other forces were there, what was their magnitude, in what directions were they acting, and what is your direct evidence of their existence?

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-06   3:09:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: PSUSA (#14) (Edited)

Debunking 911: Noam Chomsky

"...I am not persuaded by the assumption that much documentation and other evidence has been uncovered. To determine that, we'd have to investigate the alleged evidence. Take, say, the physical evidence. There are ways to assess that: submit it to specialists -- of whom there are thousands -- who have the requisite background in civil-mechanical engineering, materials science, building construction, etc., for review and analysis; and one cannot gain the required knowledge by surfing the internet. In fact, that's been done, by the professional association of civil engineers. Or, take the course pursued by anyone who thinks they have made a genuine discovery: submit it to a serious journal [AGA: Not pay to publish, unquoted by other publications like Open Access] for peer review and publication. To my knowledge, there isn't a single submission."

"I think this reaches the heart of the matter. One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. How do you personally set priorities? That's of course up to you. I've explained my priorities often, in print as well as elsewhere, but we have to make our own judgments."

"...I don't see any reason to accept the presuppositions. As for the consequences, in one of my first interviews after 9/11 I pointed out the obvious: every power system in the world was going to exploit it for its own interests: the Russians in Chechnya, China against the Uighurs, Israel in the occupied territories,... etc., and states would exploit the opportunity to control their own populations more fully through "prevention of terrorism acts" and the like. By the "who gains" argument, every power system in the world could be assigned responsibility for 9/11."

"I think the Bush administration would have had to be utterly insane to try anything like what is alleged, for their own narrow interests, and do not think that serious evidence has been provided to support claims about actions that would not only be outlandish, for their own interests, but that have no remote historical parallel. The effects, however, are all too clear, namely, what I just mentioned: diverting activism and commitment away from the very serious ongoing crimes of state."

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-06   3:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: AGAviator (#24)

Noam Chomsky is not all that bright.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-06   4:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, FormerLurker, Artisan, *9-11* (#24)

Stick around long enough and you will eventually lose any 9/11 argument here.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-06   4:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: wudidiz (#26) (Edited)

Noam Chomsky is not all that bright.

ROTFLAMO!!!

Chomsky, a professor at MIT, has by himself more awards, publications, and references than all your 911 internet poobahs from any and every place in the world put together.

Listen. I'm going to make an attempt to be civil replying to such unfounded remarks, but if you insist on making such flagrantly false statements without a shred of evidence to support them, because of your preconceived agenda found only on the anonymous internet sites, your statements will be seen as nothing more than parroting groupthink brain aberrations.

Noam Chomsky Academic Awards

In the spring of 1969, he delivered the John Locke Lectures at Oxford University; in January 1970, the Bertrand Russell Memorial Lecture at University of Cambridge; in 1972, the Nehru Memorial Lecture in New Delhi; in 1977, the Huizinga Lecture in Leiden; in 1988 the Massey Lectures at the University of Toronto, titled "Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies"; in 1997, The Davie Memorial Lecture on Academic Freedom in Cape Town,[97] and many others.[98]

Chomsky has received many honorary degrees from universities around the world, including from the following:

University of London University of Chicago Loyola University of Chicago Swarthmore College University of Delhi Bard College University of Massachusetts University of Pennsylvania Georgetown University Amherst College University of Cambridge University of Buenos Aires McGill University Universitat Rovira i Virgili Columbia University Villanova University University of Connecticut University of Maine Scuola Normale Superiore University of Western Ontario University of Toronto Harvard University Universidad de Chile University of Bologna Universidad de la Frontera University of Calcutta Universidad Nacional de Colombia Vrije Universiteit Brussel Santo Domingo Institute of Technology Uppsala University University of Athens University of Cyprus Central Connecticut State University National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM)

He is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the National Academy of Sciences, and the American Philosophical Society. In addition, he is a member of other professional and learned societies in the United States and abroad, and is a recipient of the Distinguished Scientific Contribution Award of the American Psychological Association, the Kyoto Prize in Basic Sciences, the Helmholtz Medal, the Dorothy Eldridge Peacemaker Award, the 1999 Benjamin Franklin Medal in Computer and Cognitive Science, and others.[99] He is twice winner of The Orwell Award, granted by The National Council of Teachers of English for "Distinguished Contributions to Honesty and Clarity in Public Language" (in 1987 and 1989).[100]

He is a member of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts in Department of Social Sciences.[101]

Chomsky is a member of the Faculty Advisory Board of MIT Harvard Research Journal.[102]

In 2005, Chomsky received an honorary fellowship from the Literary and Historical Society.[103]

In 2007, Chomsky received The Uppsala University (Sweden) Honorary Doctor's degree in commemoration of Carolus Linnaeus.[104]

In February 2008, he received the President's Medal from the Literary and Debating Society of the National University of Ireland, Galway.[105]

In 2010, Chomsky received the Erich Fromm Prize in Stuttgart, Germany.[106]

Chomsky has an ErdQs number of four.

Chomsky was voted the leading living public intellectual in The 2005 Global Intellectuals Poll conducted by the British magazine Prospect. He reacted, saying "I don't pay a lot of attention to polls". [107] In a list compiled by the magazine New Statesman in 2006, he was voted seventh in the list of "Heroes of our time".[108]

Actor Viggo Mortensen with avant-garde guitarist Buckethead dedicated their 2006 album, called Pandemoniumfromamerica to Chomsky.

On January 22, 2010, a special honorary concert for Chomsky was given at Kresge Auditorium at MIT.[109] [110] The concert, attended by Chomsky and dozens of his family and friends, featured music composed by Edward Manukyan and speeches by Chomsky's colleagues, including David Pesetsky of MIT and Gennaro Chierchia, head of the linguistics department at Harvard University.

Criticism Main article: Criticism of Noam Chomsky Much Chomsky criticism revolves around his political views. His status as an intellectual figure within the left wing of American politics has resulted in much criticism from the left and the right.

Bibliography Main article: Bibliography of Noam Chomsky Filmography
Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, Director: Mark Achbar and Peter Wintonick (1992)

Last Party 2000, Director: Rebecca Chaiklin and Donovan Leitch (2001)
Power and Terror: Noam Chomsky in Our Times, Director: John Junkerman (2002)
Distorted Morality—America's War On Terror?, Director: John Junkerman (2003)
Noam Chomsky: Rebel Without a Pause (TV), Director: Will Pascoe (2003)
The Corporation, Directors: Mark Achbar and Jennifer Abbott; Writer: Joel Bakan (2003)
Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land, Directors: Sut Jhally and Bathsheba Ratzkoff (2004)
On Power, Dissent and Racism: A discussion with Noam Chomsky, Journalist: Nicolas Rossier; Producers: Eli Choukri, Baraka Productions (2004)
Lake of Fire, Director: Tony Kaye (2006)
American Feud: A History of Conservatives and Liberals, Director: Richard Hall (2008)
In the Time We've Got, Director: Christopher Ives (2008)
Chomsky & Cie Director: Olivier Azam (out in 2008)
An Inconvenient Tax, Director: Christopher P. Marshall (out in 2009)
The Money Fix, Director: Alan Rosenblith (2009)
Pax Americana and the Weaponization of Space, Director: Denis Delestrac (2010)

Stick around long enough and you will eventually lose any 9/11 argument here.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

There's so much debunking of these CT's on just one website, Debunking 911.com, I could spend entire days just cutting, pasting and whacking every CT argument that's ever been posted. From there directly. With quotes from successful people, arguments, sources, exposes of lies and half-truths published on CT sites that distort original messages, etc.

However, as I've posted repeatedly through the years, and Chomsky notes too, the real damage done by the 911 Twoofers is to move opposition from being concerned with substantive issues to fringe circles, where the PTB prefer it to be so they can point at the collective lack of practicality and intelligence of those saying they want change.

So I'm not going to get too consumed with rebutting every CT because people with common sense know they're not right to begin with and it's a waste of time and energy to put a lot of effort into time-traveling into that Alice-in- Wonderland rabbit hole.

But don't try to push me too much on the issue or you'll get rebuttals you can't refute in spades.

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There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

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AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-06   5:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: AGAviator (#27)

So I'm not going to get too consumed with rebutting every CT because people with common sense know they're not right to begin with and it's a waste of time and energy to put a lot of effort into time-traveling into that Alice-in- Wonderland rabbit hole.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

There is a lot of crap put out by "truthers" and our government "leaders". This is why I said I don't think we will ever get the complete truth about what happened that day.

This is a perfect example of why I don't believe anyone, "VIP" or not, that makes allegations. An allegation without proof is probably a lie. That goes for "truthers" and the .gov.

For example, there is this, from your post 18:

Thermite was used by the cleanup crews to remove the large metal pieces of the structures that could not be removed as a whole pice.

That sounds like BS to me. Why use thermite when cutting torches would do the job? Where is the proof that this was done??? He doesn't give it.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-06   7:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: AGAviator (#27)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-06   8:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: PSUSA (#28)

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

There is a lot of crap put out by "truthers" and our government "leaders". This is why I said I don't think we will ever get the complete truth about what happened that day.

Yes, I agree we will never get the truth, unless perhaps people in Washington and Tel Aviv get "waterboarded."

Both Cheney and Netanyahu have stated that 911 was good, Cheney for America and Netanyahu publicly stating in news media that 911 was "good" for Israel, then quickly modifying his statement “Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy” to cover his tracks.

Cheney clique people were always privy to special intelligence from Israel, in order to give them means to continue subverting the US to do that country's bidding. They also overrode numerous warnings from counter intelligence professionals that "Israeli art students" who were discharged Israeli military starting training to be hand picked by the Mossad as future agents, were systematically casing out secure American military and government sites and reporting how they could be penetrated. They also were busy tracking radical Islamists who had their own agendas in the United States coming out of the Afghan training camps.

Regarding the Afghan and Pakistan training camps, there's no question they existed and they did turn out the suicide bombers they have been alleged to. I happen to have some good connections with former Afghan mujahideen and ever since the late 1980's-1990's, the Afghans who were moderate and pro- Western repeatedly warned the US about the need to do something about these foreigners who the Afghans did not want in their own homeland. Unfortunately the State Department and CIA were totally unconcerned about Afghanistan's future, and allowed a country which had 1.5 million of its civilians killed to devolve into anarchy and civil war.

Abdul Haq, one very prominent mujahideen commander, made a 1994 statement where he said if the United States didn't "clean up its $hit" in Afghanistan, there would be narcotics terrorism and then the US would eventually have to invade, and when that happened the US would be stuck just as the British and the Russians were. Haq's prediction has turned out to be 100% accurate and now instead of spending under $100 million and zero casualties, America is on its way to $1 trillion, 1,000 KIA, 100,000 or more wounded, and a an economy teetering on bankruptcy.

The "Israeli moving company" story about 5-6 Israelis filming the WTC collapse and celebrating, was also reported until Fox News abruptly stopped runnning it. However there is still documenation of some of those Jews arested appearing on Israel TV talk shows. They excuse their behavior by the usual "Jews are victims" bull$hit which is about to get them knocked out of the park by the rest of the world's population which is getting quite tired of Jew self- asserted special privileges.

So the road to NYC on 911 does go through Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, but it also has a route through Washington, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

Thermite was used by the cleanup crews to remove the large metal pieces of the structures that could not be removed as a whole pice.

That sounds like BS to me. Why use thermite when cutting torches would do the job? Where is the proof that this was done??? He doesn't give it.

Debunking 911 has enough CT- busting, voluminously documented, sourced, discussed, and linked, to keep anyone busy for days just reading and following links.

Debunking 911: Rethinking Thermite

One of the pieces of evidence conspiracy theorists use to say the buildings were brought down is a photo with something they interpret as being left behind by a thermite reaction.

More info on the above link.

I don't want to take up several pages copying it to here. Those debunkers do a bang up job rebutting the CT pablum.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-06   8:45:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Eric Stratton (#29) (Edited)

Oh boy, a long laundry list of establishment blow-job credentials.

OK ko00khack, how're your "blow job credentials" for "Professor" Steven Jones, who isn't even acknowledged by his former BYU Physics Department and which relieved him of teaching and put him out to pasture, and can't even show any net yield of useful free energy in any of his claimed "cold fusion" experiments.

Or your "blow job credentials" for jerkwad Niels Harritt, who submitted samples of paint dust 6 years after the Twin Towers collapsed, and waving a bag of the stuff around, claiming it was extremely explosive and flammable.

What the eff was the idiot doing bringing a supposedly explosive and pyrotechnically active substance to one press conference, ignoring all safety precautions that would have been needed, then failing to produce any kind of demonstration showing the goddamn stuff could even be ignited, much less made to explode.

Hmmmm???

So keep your one-liner dismissals of people who have intelligence like Chomsky, to your k00ksites. Because everybody else sees them as cheap shot mental masturbation by a zombie group of losers.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-06   8:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: AGAviator (#31)

What the eff was the idiot doing bringing a supposedly explosive and pyrotechnically active substance to one press conference, ignoring all safety precautions that would have been needed, then failing to produce any kind of demonstration showing the goddamn stuff could even be ignited, much less made to explode.

Hey! Colon (Yeah, I know) Powell brought a vial of anthrax into the CONgress...

That, and a bunch of cartoonish drawings of "mobile CW labs".

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#33. To: AGAviator (#31)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-06   12:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: AGAviator (#31)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-06   12:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: AGAviator (#30)

Great shot of the angular cut beam. Straight sheer planes like that happen every day when heavy structural steel fails in catastrophic collapses. Way to go! /Sacasm

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-06   12:24:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#35)

Great shot of the angular cut beam. Straight sheer planes like that happen every day when heavy structural steel fails in catastrophic collapses. Way to go! /Sacasm

You got to love the melted dripping steel from the heat of the cut.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   12:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Eric Stratton (#34)

I suppose that you're also one of those that still thinks that a "Harvard education" or an "Ivy League education" means that that person is intelligent too.

Well, there certainly is a lot of competition to get into those institutions, and there is certainly more than a proportional share of publications, patents, and prominent public figures coming out of them.

And FYI the person we were discussing, Noam Chomsky, is a professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, which is neither "Harvard" or "Ivy League." It is one of America's premier institutes for science, second only to Cal Tech which has produced so many usesful and workable patents and inventions used in programs like the flight to the moon. That actually effing do what they announce they will do before the rockets take off. And Chomsky is well respected intellectually by his colleagues at MIT, even though he does receive some criticism for his political perspective.

Unlike a BYU CT fruitcake who can't even make a physical device that yields more energy than it consumes after claiming he's discovered cold fusion, or even have his department allow him continue teaching.

Your denigration of successful people is really the root of all CT postulating. You have nothing, you've proved nothing even after 10 years, certain people have exhaustively debunked you after wading through your distortions and half truths word by word, so you simply dismiss anyone who would challenge you as being part of the problem. That's what being a "loser" is in plain English.

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

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AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-06   12:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: farmfriend (#36)

Great shot of the angular cut beam. Straight sheer planes like that happen every day when heavy structural steel fails in catastrophic collapses. Way to go! /Sacasm

You got to love the melted dripping steel from the heat of the cut.

You mean that slag from molten steel doesn't always form in Class Alpha (paper and wood) Office Fires?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-06   12:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Original_Intent (#38)

You mean that slag from molten steel doesn't always form in Class Alpha (paper and wood) Office Fires?

LOL sorry it was probably a computer that melted on the beam.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   12:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Original_Intent (#35) (Edited)

Great shot of the angular cut beam. Straight sheer planes like that happen every day when heavy structural steel fails in catastrophic collapses. Way to go! /Sacasm

Never heard of a cutting torch I take it?

Mind telling me what that metal thingy extending a couple feet from the left corner of the basket is? And what'sgenerating that [shudder] yellowish smoke spiraling up from the basket?

This oughta be interesting....

[quote] Thermite in general makes an ugly hole with molten metal drips/blobs. It doesn't make clean cuts. It's a powder that undergoes a violent chemical reaction...[/quote]

You haven't even read the effing link. That's not a thermite made cut

There are a number of things they claim with this photo.

One is the timeline. They say the photo has firemen which means this was during the rescue operation which only lasted two weeks.

Why would they have fireman after the rescue operations? This suggests to them that the cut on the columns were made very close to September 11. The suggestion here is that it was done during the collapse....They claim that the angle of the cut can't be created by a welding tool and/or is designed to have the building fall in a certain direction.

The other is a yellow substance they claim is residue from a thermite reaction.

Let's examine these claims one by one to see where the evidence takes us...

But is it possible the column was cut at an angle so just the column fell in a certain direction during cleanup? This can't be, surely the scholars would have asked an ironworker or someone else on the scene. I bet there isn't one photograph someone can find on the internet of a column which is cut at an angle. Remember, we're talking about "Scholars" here.

Maybe I'm being a little unfair. Maybe I just happened to get this from some obscure site. Maybe I work for the government and have a stash of photos the scholars aren't privy to... No, actually I got this from the same place the scholars got their photo.

Thermite in general makes an ugly hole with molten metal drips/blobs. It doesn't make clean cuts. It's a powder that undergoes a violent chemical reaction as seen in the video below.

And now a few words about your ***peer-reviewed science sources.***

New Scientist: CRAP Paper Accepted by Journal

At New Scientist we love a good hoax, especially one that both amuses and makes a serious point about the communication of science. So kudos to Philip Davis, a graduate student at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, who revealed yesterday on The Scholarly Kitchen blog that he got a nonsensical computer-generated paper accepted for publication in a peer-reviewed journal.

Earlier this year, Davis started receiving unsolicited emails from Bentham Science Publishers, which publishes more than 200 "open- access" journals – which turn the conventional business model of academic publishing on its head by charging publication fees to the authors of research papers, and then making the content available for free.

As the emails stacked up, Davis was not only encouraged to submit papers, but was also invited to serve on the editorial board of some of Bentham's journals – for which he was told he would be allowed to publish one free article each year. "I received solicitations for journals for which I had no subject expertise at all," says Davis. "It really painted a picture of vanity publishing."

Sheer nonsense

So Davis teamed up with Kent Anderson, a member of the publishing team at The New England Journal of Medicine, to put Bentham's editorial standards to the test. The pair turned to SCIgen, a program that generates nonsensical computer science papers, and submitted the resulting paper to The Open Information Science Journal, published by Bentham.

The paper, entitled "Deconstructing Access Points" (pdf) made no sense whatsoever, as this sample reveals:

In this section, we discuss existing research into red-black trees, vacuum tubes, and courseware [10]. On a similar note, recent work by Takahashi suggests a methodology for providing robust modalities, but does not offer an implementation [9].

Acronym clue

Davis and Anderson, writing under the noms de plume David Phillips and Andrew Kent, also dropped a hefty hint of the hoax by giving their institutional affiliation as the Center for Research in Applied Phrenology, or CRAP.

Yet four months after the article was submitted, "David Phillips" received an email from Sana Mokarram, Bentham's assistant manager of publication:

This is to inform you that your submitted article has been accepted for publication after peer-reviewing process in TOISCIJ. I would be highly grateful to you if you please fill and sign the attached fee form and covering letter and send them back via email as soon as possible to avoid further delay in publication.

The publication fee was $800, to be sent to a PO Box in the United Arab Emirates. Having made his point, Davis withdrew the paper.

Mahmood Alam, Bentham's director of publications, responded to queries from New Scientist by email: "In this particular case we were aware that the article submitted was a hoax, and we tried to find out the identity of the individual by pretending the article had been accepted for publication when in fact it was not."

"Why hasn't he attempted to contact me directly in order to determine my true identity?" Davis responds.

pwned

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"Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really love to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

Bob Marley

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