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Title: Three Interesting Numbers
Source: The Truthseeker
URL Source: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=12960
Published: Jul 5, 2010
Author: Nick Kollerstrom
Post Date: 2010-07-05 20:04:32 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Holoco$t, facts, not, fictions
Views: 358
Comments: 33

Three Interesting Numbers By Nick Kollerstrom – 30th June 2010

I used to work at University College, London, getting by as a science historian.

Having written papers on various suitably obscure subjects - from Newton’s lunar theory to the discovery of Neptune - three years ago I made what in retrospect looks like a rather large mistake. I began to take an interest in the published chemical evidence relating to the ‘gas chambers’ at Auschwitz/ Birkenau.

Maybe it was foolish to imagine that hard scientific data was of relevance in this case. It strangely turned out that I was engaging with a predominantly religious issue, and I simply became damned as a heretic.

There is no disagreement that cyanide gas chambers existed at many WW2 concentration camps. These were delousing rooms built to kill the bugs that threatened the health of the camp inmates. They were designed to keep the prisoners healthy so that they could carry out their work effectively. Their purpose was hygienic.

We can nowadays agree that many tons of cyanide (in granular form as the insecticide Zyklon) was used during the WW2 for hygienic delousing technology. Before DDT was invented around 1945, Zyklon was the normal delousing method. Special gas chambers made by a firm called Degesch, 10m3 in volume, were installed in all the German labour-camps in 1942, the year when typhus hit the camps. That epidemic is spread by bugs, so all clothing and bedding had to go repeatedly into the delousing chambers. It was a procedure designed to be safe for regular use.

These chambers still exist at four WW2 labour camp ruins, Madjanek, Dachau, Auschwitz and Birkenau, and can be easily identified because their walls are mostly turquoise blue. There is iron in the walls of the old chambers at Auschwitz and Birkenau and this combined permanently with the cyanide then used, the brick walls being very porous to the cyanide gas. These walls are blue on the inside and on the outside, showing that the cyanide soaked right through them. The blue in the walls is ferrocyanide – just like the colour in a tube of turquoise oil paint.

In contrast to these real gas chambers, the walls of the alleged human gas chambers have no such blue colouring. This simple and obvious fact was one of the first causes of skepticism for some of those who visited the camps.

My contribution to ‘Holocaust Studies’ related to this issue: I spent a while integrating the Leuchter and Rudolf reports – the two big chemical surveys of the walls - and ascertaining what they found to be the control-background levels of residual cyanide. These are levels in samples where no-one is suggesting that mass cyanide gassing took place. Putting together the combined measurable data of these two chemical surveys (42 samples) I got the following three groups:

Delousing chambers 5000 ppm* (15 samples) *parts per million

Washrooms, Kitchens etc (‘Controls’) 2 ppm (11 samples)

Alleged human gas chambers 3 ppm (16 samples)

The ‘official’ explanation given for these figures is that ‘bugs are harder to kill than humans.’ No wonder the cyanide levels in the delousing chambers are higher, they had to kill all those little bugs... well, have a look at those figures. There is no significant difference between the control, background levels of cyanide (2 ppm) and those for the alleged human gas chambers (3ppm). Absolutely none. The fact that there are measurable levels for cyanide in ordinary rooms at Auschwitz is probably because of occasional fumigation to kill bugs living in cracks and crevices in the walls etc.

Whereas there is a two-thousandfold difference between the ‘control’ measurements and the delousing chambers – where the Zyklon was indisputably used hour after hour, day after day. Here the cyanide content, at an average value of around 5000 ppm, is about half of one percent of the samples taken.

The modern books that continue to roll off the presses about Auschwitz and ‘The Holocaust’ advocate a view that some Zyklon went to the delousing chambers, whereas some was ‘diverted’ for ghastly human use. It is important to note here that in 1946 at Nuremberg, no such dual use was posited. All knowledge of the normal, hygienic function was blotted out, and it was assumed that any can of Zyklon was for the ‘human gassing.’ Operators of the delousing chambers did not get to testify.

Over the years there has appeared a growing difference of opinion on the ‘human gas chambers’ issue... In fact it’s almost hard to believe that such a vast, dizzying difference of opinion over a single issue can exist in the world today. It remains that all decent citizens believe that millions of people, mainly Jews, were gassed in huge, cyanide gas chambers, over 1942-45, as the ultimate industrialised mass killing in human history. On the other hand, there are a few down-and-out, ethically-damned loners who have the nerve to affirm that such mass human gas chambers have never existed on Planet Earth…..

Nowhere!

Never!

….and, apart from that, had they existed they would be, in practice, totally unworkable. But that’s another story.

Over the last few years I have noticed that one side of this argument proceeds by trying to debate the evidence while the other uses every time, without exception, name-calling, abuse and ethical damnation.

Understandably it is a subject which many people find unbearable to discuss.….but on even this ‘sacred’ ground the earth is moving. Since startling revelations about 9/11 have been exposed there are increasingly massed ranks of ordinary but shocked and awakened people, now terminally cynical about the capacity of the powerful to lie and deceive in the service of their own interests.

Today, I believe we should formulate the unbearable Big Questions as:

Were the deadly Nazi gas chambers of WW2 used to kill Jews…..or bugs?

Did they work to take lives……or save them?

Did they have people ..... or clothing, put into them?

(Warning: a ‘wrong’ answer here can land you in jail, in ten European nations.)

I’m intrigued by historical questions with a chemical twist to them. Admittedly this one lost me half of my friends, got me thrown out of my College, made me virtually unemployable, and closed the doors of publishers and public venues. However, I cannot regret publishing what I believe to be true about this profoundly important issue. I hold the view that, if the truth about such an important matter is to remain out of bounds and beyond debate, then there is really no point in getting out of bed in the morning.

The truth has to matter.

The truth about the ‘human gas chambers’ particularly matters because much of modern history (and modern calamities) is founded on it.

As a vision of ghastly horror it has become the Most Holy Mystery in this spiritually bankrupt culture of ours. It has a transcendental function in expressing Ultimate Evil. It even seems to be morphing into a new religion, which has replaced the suffering of Christ by the ‘suffering of The Jews.’ The word ‘Holocaust’ actually means a fiery sacrifice.

This has to be the original WMD hoax - but, more than that, the total absence of any physical or chemical evidence for it, is precisely what has lead to ‘the Holocaust’ taking on its present numinous, transcendental nature.

So, are we discussing science or religion? I say that a scientific, rational approach to the subject became possible for the first time in 2003, when two published, chemical investigations appeared in the English language, and were concordant. But, I noticed that my fellow countrymen behaved as if the issue was a theological question about which the expression of doubt was a most serious sin.

Personally I prefer living in the real world and that has to mean discerning the difference between what is real and illusory. It will be a Copernican Revolution when the truth on this issue becomes widely understood. The lid cannot be kept on such lies indefinitely. I’d say that Mother Nature played the trump card: slowly, after the war, the walls of those delousing chambers turned blue, as the ferrocyanide complex developed.

I believe that no happy future can lie in store for humanity, so long as we continue to believe in this nightmare-hallucination. Belief in it is a badge of enslavement, it is the supreme sacred Myth of the New World Order.

Plato in his Republic said every civilisation needed a founding myth – but, he added, that myth did not have to be true. Karl Popper the philosopher of science was shocked by this and disagreed – it had to be true, he averred. I know who I want to believe. The consequences of founding society’s culture and relationships upon false narratives is provably disastrous. We get wars based on lies, global tyranny by bankers, debased, demoralised populations and now quite possibly World War Three.

ENDNOTE

There are five different levels of non-existence of the mass-human-cyanide- gas-chambers, which need to be known and understood by every educated citizen:

No trace of any 3rd Reich documentation has yet been found for any intention or plan of extermination of Jews. If you believe it all happened, you have to believe that the Nazis recorded nothing of their massive diabolical plan. Furthermore, that no single low or medium-level functionary who was caught up in the evil conspiracy committed a reflective or protesting word in writing to any family member or friend about their involvement in a process that must have been, at the very least, troubling.

No trace of any cyanide-gassed bodies have ever been found.

Present remains display nothing resembling a credible human gas chamber, not at any German WW2 labour-camp. Yes, there is the theatrical ‘gas chamber’ that thirty million have trooped through, built by Stalin in 1946. Compulsory school visits there still get their tingle of terror – but those escorting the youngsters are guilty of not informing them, that wall samples from this building have failed to show any significant elevation in cyanide above normal, background levels.

Not one single death was recorded as being due to cyanide poisoning in any German labour-camp. Very detailed and extensive records exist at the Bad-Arolsen archive (in North Germany), and its manager recently disclosed this fact. No photo exists from an ‘extermination camp’ of any huge pile of stripped-naked mixed-gender corpses (as would have been created by such industrialised mass-killing), nor is there any photo of anything resembling a human mass-gassing chamber.

Modern accounts of such ‘mechanised killings’ by cyanide originate from Rudolf Hoss, Kommandant of the Auschwitz camp, who gave the story at Nuremberg in 1946 - after torture by a British army team for three days and three nights. His story had one or two thousand people marching into a washroom, or what looked like a washroom, then dying within twenty minutes. Re-tellings have to follow this story, because he’s the source! Thank you Fred Leuchter, and thank you Germar Rudolf. Only using their work can we drive a stake through the heart of this nightmare-horror.

...................................

My revisionist essays: www.codoh.com/author/kollerstrom.html, esp. ‘Leuchter twenty years on’ for cyanide levels here cited. The author (as ‘astro3’) has what now appears as the definitive chemical-cyanide-Auschwitz thread, www.codoh.com/forum/viewt...ecaf54969b1466e2968679b6a which has received over fifty thousand visits. I’m happy to reply to any queries of a chemical nature on this topic. Rudolf Report: www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/

David Cole video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM

Paul Grubach, www.venusproject.com/ethi...ibility_of_Auschwitz.html

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#1. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Admittedly this one lost me half of my friends, got me thrown out of my College, made me virtually unemployable, and closed the doors of publishers and public venues. However, I cannot regret publishing what I believe to be true about this profoundly important issue.

Would one suffer such consequences for publishing a report that claimed a PROVABLE event, such as WW1, did not occur?

It is beyond question that the holohoax industry/religion is too profitable, both politically and financially, to allow any investigations to look closely at the matter.

I can only wonder at the authors naivety in not understanding the taboo's associated with his research.

angK  posted on  2010-07-05   20:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: angK (#1)

Israel/Rothschildia is hoisted atop the Holoco$t. If you remove the Gas Chambers, and the growing mountain of evidence strongly suggests that they should be excised, you remove a lot of the propaganda value of the Holoco$t. That is it in a nutshell. The money from the Holoco$t industry is simply the icing on the cake.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-05   22:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)

The money from the Holoco$t industry is simply the icing on the cake.

That's a lot of icing for one cake.

angK  posted on  2010-07-05   22:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#0)

No photo exists from an ‘extermination camp’ of any huge pile of stripped-naked mixed-gender corpses (as would have been created by such industrialised mass-killing), nor is there any photo of anything resembling a human mass-gassing chamber.

Actually that is not quite true. I visited Dachau and they do have photos there of a room connected to the oven room piled window high with bodies. Now I can't vouch for the mixed gender part but then I doubt they would have gassed them in mixed gender groups. They would be single gender groups in keeping with the "shower" theme.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-05   22:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: farmfriend (#4)

Actually that is not quite true. I visited Dachau and they do have photos there of a room connected to the oven room piled window high with bodies.

A room with bodies does not a gas chamber make. You have a link to this photo?

Brutus  posted on  2010-07-05   23:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Brutus (#5)

A room with bodies does not a gas chamber make.

Didn't say it did. Just saying that the contention that there are no pictures of piles of bodies is incorrect.

You have a link to this photo?

What part of "I visited Dachau" did you not understand? No I don't have a web link to a photograph I saw sitting in a room in Germany.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-05   23:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: farmfriend (#4)

I visited Dachau and they do have photos there of a room connected to the oven room piled window high with bodies.

farmfriend,

No one is drinking your Kool-Aid.

Propagating these lies makes you the friend of no one - least of all the Jewish people. You only hurt them by backing the holocaust lie.

your neighbor

p.s. I often wonder why the holocaust pictures that we are fed are of such poor quality - camera technology during the WWII was good. Maybe they were manufactured at a later date - just like the rest of the holocaust crapola.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-07-06   1:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: your_neighbor, Original_Intent, Lod, wudidiz, christine, HOUNDDAWG, buckeroo, abraxas (#7)

farmfriend,

No one is drinking your Kool-Aid.

Propagating these lies makes you the friend of no one - least of all the Jewish people. You only hurt them by backing the holocaust lie.

your neighbor

Amazing how people jump to conclusions that are unsupported by facts. You say "No one is drinking your Kool-Aid". I wasn't passing any out. Nor was I telling lies. I made one comment about a picture I saw refuting a comment in the article. No more, no less.

The last time you posted anything to me was in Feb. I've posted to you all of three times. Certainly not enough exchange between us for you to judge me on anything!


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   1:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: farmfriend (#8)

I made one comment about a picture I saw refuting a comment in the article. No more, no less.

You did say more. You also said this:

"Now I can't vouch for the mixed gender part but then I doubt they would have gassed them in mixed gender groups. They would be single gender groups in keeping with the "shower" theme."

Reading that I got the impression you believe the Germans were gassing people in "thematic" showers. Perhaps you were just speaking hypothetically. If gas chambers were used...

Brutus  posted on  2010-07-06   1:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: farmfriend, Cynicom (#4)

No photo exists from an ‘extermination camp’ of any huge pile of stripped-naked mixed-gender corpses (as would have been created by such industrialised mass-killing), nor is there any photo of anything resembling a human mass-gassing chamber.

Actually that is not quite true. I visited Dachau and they do have photos there of a room connected to the oven room piled window high with bodies. Now I can't vouch for the mixed gender part but then I doubt they would have gassed them in mixed gender groups. They would be single gender groups in keeping with the "shower" theme.

Two thoughts really - just to be the contrarian.

1. Toward the end of the war the Germans were running out of food and manpower. As a result Typhus broke out in the camps and there are records showing that the numbers who died from Typhus was probably in the hundreds of thousands among the camps.

2. Was there a provenance for the photograph and a citation as to where it was taken? Not that I am questioning the existence of the photograph, but given the level of deception surrounding this issue

Having said that I think you already know that like Cyni one half my lineage, on the maternal side, is largely German Jews and Scots Irish Jews who underwent conversion to Protestantism. So, while I have no love for the Turd Reich I have come to the conclusion that much of the Holoco$t myth is just that - a myth. Invented, and created, to justify the creation of the State of Israel. There is of course some truth to it, but that truth has been made murky and kept murky by people who have a vested interest in its perpetuating the myth of the Six Million (a number which is a power number in the Kaballah). Many of those who died were betrayed into the camps by ethnically Jewish Zionist Atheists in order to gain advantage for the creation of the state of Israel, and who were tied into the Rothschild Fambly.

I suspect that there may have been murders of prison camp inmates but nowhere near the 6 Million scale. We do know that Auschwitz has reduced its offcial plaque from 4 million dying there to about 1 million which is still ghastly but if the numbers of dead in all the camps has been exaggerated then the true number of those who died in the camps is probably about 2 million or less, and mainly from typhus. Still grotesque and inexusable, still evil. However I now question whether "the final solution" as an actual program did exist. I honestly do not know. However, given the massive effort involved in suppressing questions about the truth of what happened I am given to doubt.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-06   1:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Brutus (#9)

Perhaps you were just speaking hypothetically.

Yes I was speaking hypothetically.

The totality of your posts fit on one page. Again not enough for you to be judging me on this forum. You just don't know enough about me.

You want to know my real feelings, fine I'll tell you. I suspect the truth lies in the middle. Both sides seem to exaggerate and don't really seem to be after the truth. I pointed out one on one side. Big deal. I've also been known to defend people I can't stand and fight against legislation that falls on my side of an issue but I believed to be unconstitutional.

For what it is worth, I've been to Dachau. I also married a Jew who's grandfather had numbers on his arm. Now if you think that makes me a Zionist, Israel first kinda person, so be it. People here who have more than a page worth of posts know the truth.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   1:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#10)

Was there a provenance for the photograph and a citation as to where it was taken?

Yes, it was clearly taken in the room we were standing in so I would have to say Dachau, Germany. As to what caused the death of the people in the picture, I can't say. Nor do I remember what if any text was with the picture.

Now I'll go back and read the rest of your post.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   1:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#10)

Toward the end of the war the Germans were running out of food and manpower. As a result Typhus broke out in the camps and there are records showing that the numbers who died from Typhus was probably in the hundreds of thousands among the camps.

Even if I accepted that Jews were routinely killed in these camps, it makes much more sense that disease would have killed many more.

No, I'm sure that there are exaggerations on both sides of this issue such that the truth may never be known. History should and probably will correct itself but even then you can't be sure. Look what passes for truth about ancient Egypt? Exploration of the Americas? etc etc etc

That said, for the sake of family harmony, any doubts I have will remain unspoken.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   1:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: farmfriend (#11)

The totality of your posts fit on one page. Again not enough for you to be judging me on this forum.

...

I also married a Jew who's grandfather had numbers on his arm. Now if you think that makes me a Zionist, Israel first kinda person, so be it. People here who have more than a page worth of posts know the truth

I wasn't judging you, just trying to understand what you were saying. And please forgive me, I didn't realize I had to exceed a posting threshold before I could comment on your post.

A grandfather with a tattoo on his arm is only evidence of a grandfather with a tattoo on his arm. I don't know if you're a Zionist, Israel first kinda person, and I don't care.

Brutus  posted on  2010-07-06   2:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: farmfriend (#13)

That said, for the sake of family harmony, any doubts I have will remain unspoken.

Thoroughly understood.

History should and probably will correct itself but even then you can't be sure. Look what passes for truth about ancient Egypt? Exploration of the Americas? etc etc etc

You'll get no argument there, and Archaeology is almost as bad as the Holoco$t question. To raise questions about the accepted dogma on Egypt and settlement of the Americas is almost to court physical attack.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-06   2:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Brutus (#14)

I wasn't judging you, just trying to understand what you were saying. And please forgive me, I didn't realize I had to exceed a posting threshold before I could comment on your post.

Apologies, I was confusing your post with Mr. Neighbors.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   2:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#15)

You'll get no argument there, and Archaeology is almost as bad as the Holoco$t question. To raise questions about the accepted dogma on Egypt and settlement of the Americas is almost to court physical attack.

Not to mention anthropogenic global warming.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   2:17:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: farmfriend (#17)

And Peek Oil.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-06   2:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#18)

Back to the pictures for a moment. I did a web search hoping to find the picture. I did find lots of pictures of piles of bodies so I still contend that portion of the article is incorrect. Now there is the problem of providence as you pointed out and no way of knowing the cause of death of course.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   2:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: farmfriend (#19) (Edited)

And I will grant your point, as you can point to evidence which backs it up. However, as you say, we can't perform an autopsy on people in a 60 year old photograph.

At this point, as horrendous as it was at that time, I just can't get worked up over it anymore. I am tired of all the lies, on both sides of the issue, and one can point to atrocities much worse even within the 20th Century. Not that even one life taken in evil is acceptable, but the hype and pathos existing even now is wearing thin. Stalin murdered many times more, and as did Mao. The 20th Century is punctuated with blood and mass murder beginning with the Armenian Holocaust and continuing right through Pol Pot.

The insanity of it all is enough to make me throw up in disgust.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-06   2:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)

Stalin murdered many times more, and as did Mao. The 20th Century is punctuated with blood and mass murder beginning with the Armenian Holocaust and continuing right through Pol Pot.

You'll get no argument from me on those points.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   2:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: farmfriend (#21)

Not exactly a happy note to end on but I'm falling asleep in my chair so I think I'll trundle off to bed.

Take care.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-06   2:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#22)

Not exactly a happy note to end on but I'm falling asleep in my chair so I think I'll trundle off to bed.

Take care.

Sleep well my friend. I'm not far behind you at this point.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   2:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend, all (#10)

for those that care to research Dachau...

US Army records contain the names etc of the about 63,000 prisoners liberated at Dachau.

Of those 40,000, were Germans, including Drs. Schacht, Niemoller (sp), industrialist fritz Thyssen, and on and on. Dr. Schacht was to be shot on orders of Hitler but someone "mislaid" the order.

Holocaust criers never tell the entire truth, only what keeps their world swindle going.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-06   7:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom, Original_Intent, farmfriend, (#24)

As I lay in bed trying to go to sleep last night I kept going over things in my head. I do have a vague memory of them saying no one was gassed as Dachau. I was there in '81 though so my memory is not what I hoped it would be.

Looking at the pictures of the piles of bodies we can make some assumptions. We are basically told that healthy people were shuffled off to be gassed. These pictures are not of formerly healthy people. The body piles are that skeleton with skin we are all familiar with. Disease and/or starvation are much more likely causes of death then gassing.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   11:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: farmfriend (#25)

After any war history is written by those that won. In our case, our war views are so colored by the Jew factor that it is to be discounted.

The man that pens the history books is NOT to be trusted, no matter who he is or what is his agenda.

The truth is always the first casualty of war.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-06   11:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#0)

During WWI Jews were whining six million were being killed. Then, someohow, after WWII, the exact same number were supposed to have died.

Very odd coincidence.

St. Ausgustine on the State: "It was a criminal band that achieved legitimacy not by renouncing aggression, but rather by attaining impunity."

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-06   11:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: farmfriend (#8)

Amazing how people jump to conclusions that are unsupported by facts. You say "No one is drinking your Kool-Aid". I wasn't passing any out. Nor was I telling lies. I made one comment about a picture I saw refuting a comment in the article. No more, no less.

farmfriend,

I am judging your post - not you!

From you post it looks to me like you support the holocaust as the Jewish people portray it.

So what is it - do you or do you not believe and support the holocaust?

your neighbor

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-07-06   17:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: your_neighbor (#28)

So what is it - do you or do you not believe and support the holocaust?

I've already answered that question on this thread. As for judging my post, you jumped to conclusions not supported by facts.


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-06   18:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: farmfriend (#29)

I've already answered that question on this thread.

Thank you for being so clear.

your neighbor

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-07-06   19:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: farmfriend, your_neighbor, Original_Intent, Lod, wudidiz, christine, buckeroo, abraxas (#8)

Amazing how people jump to conclusions that are unsupported by facts. You say "No one is drinking your Kool-Aid". I wasn't passing any out. Nor was I telling lies. I made one comment about a picture I saw refuting a comment in the article. No more, no less.

It's happened to me, too. Sweets. I've made clinical observations only to be immediately accused of perpetuating "Joo propaganda". Some folks react faster than a jellyfish nematocyte fires a barb into our skin, and in the process they make giant leaps across the assumption gap.

Wikipedia (which is to say, "The damned Joos") makes no claim of a gas chamber at Dachau:

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"Estimates of the demographic statistics vary but they are in the same general range. History may never know how many people were interned there or died there, due to periods of disruption. One source gives a general estimate of over 200,000 prisoners from more than 30 countries for the Third Reich's years, of whom two-thirds were political prisoners and nearly one-third were Jews. 25,613 prisoners are believed to have died in the camp and almost another 10,000 in its subcamps,[6] primarily from disease, malnutrition and suicide. In early 1945, there was a typhus epidemic in the camp due to influx from other camps causing overcrowding, followed by an evacuation, in which large numbers of the weaker prisoners died. Toward the end of the war death marches to and from the camp caused the expiration of large but unknown numbers of prisoners. Even after liberation, prisoners weakened beyond recovery continued to expire.

Over its twelve years as a concentration camp, the Dachau administration recorded the intake of 206,206 prisoners and 31,951 deaths. Crematoria were constructed to dispose of the deceased. These numbers do not tell the entire story, however. Although there is no evidence of mass murder within the camp itself by other methods than poor sanitation, deprivation of medical care, withholding of nutrients, medical experiments, and beatings and shootings for infractions of the rules or at random, beginning in 1942 more than 3166 prisoners in weakened condition were transported to Hartheim Castle near Linz and there were executed by poison gas for reason of their unfitness. (were these the infamous and unlikely diesel exhaust murders?_HD) In 1941 and 1942 an unknown number of prisoners of war from the Soviet Union were executed by shooting at the camp's surrounding firing ranges, some for target practice and for sport.[4]"

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Whatever happened there is no reason to dispute the photograph you saw or the existence of corpses at Dachau. In light of these facts there is simply no reason to assume that you're a lying Joo, even though you probably are! ;)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-07-07   3:57:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)

Wikipedia (which is to say, "The damned Joos") makes no claim of a gas chamber at Dachau:

Yeah I have a vague memory of that in the tour, course I didn't remember it until I was trying to go to sleep. They said no gas chambers were used at Dachau. Course that was in '81 and my memory is fading fast with age. Sigh Hell getting old!


"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."
James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-07   4:35:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: farmfriend (#32)

"Yeah I have a vague memory of that in the tour, course I didn't remember it until I was trying to go to sleep. They said no gas chambers were used at Dachau. Course that was in '81 and my memory is fading fast with age."

Right.

" Sigh Hell getting old!"

The past 8 months or so I've noticed my brain turning to mush. I used to be a veritable Encyclopedia of worthless trivia!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2010-07-07   4:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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