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Title: Retread: Are these personal(ity) attacks or not?
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URL Source: http://surrealworld.wordpress.com/2 ... -want-to-be-a-patriot-vip-huh/
Published: Jul 8, 2010
Author: Me
Post Date: 2010-07-08 14:59:48 by PSUSA
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Views: 365
Comments: 39
I’ve noticed something that’s a little bit disturbing. In order to be a VIP in the alternative news / patriot game, you must claim your life is threatened and/or you are being constantly harassed by government operatives.
You also need to have the ability to put your listeners into a state of panic by coordinating your disinformation with others disinformation.
Add to this the ability to make even the most outlandish claims believable to a certain segment of the patriot community. Don’t worry about this, just try and sound sincere. It’s an acquired skill. It takes time for them to be able to spout their crap without breaking into a hearty laugh. You’ll get the hang of it.
I will use 3 examples to show this. These 3 are, in my oh-so-humble opinion, the 3 biggest alternative news personalities out there. These 3 are Alex Jones, Hal Turner, and Jack McLamb. You may argue about the prominence of these 3, but humor me for the sake of argument. It’s not as if I can write about all of them. Hal Turner, looking smug
I will start with Turner. Turner is a little shitbag that had a radio show based out of New Jersey. He used racist rants and other tactics to rile up his listeners into a state of frenzy. Turner lied through his teeth.
Hal Turner admitted working with the FBI. The FBI admitted using Turner to spread disinformation throughout the patriot community. What this did, which was to the governments advantage, was equate patriotism with racism.
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That role as an informant for the FBI is a key part of the defense, Orozco [his lawyer -PSUSA] said outside court.
Orozco said Turner was trained by the FBI as “an agent provocateur.”
“Mr. Turner was trained by the FBI,” Orozco said. “He was told where the line was — what he could say.”
In his comments on his blog that brought the state and federal charges, Turner did not cross that line, Orozco said.
Orozco said Turner worked for the FBI from roughly 2002 to 2007.
“His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner that would cause their arrest,” Orozco said.
Mr Turner has a long term and interesting relationship with Sean Hannity.
Turner talks about the Amero currency fraud, martial law / mass graves (that link is from Turners blog. For some reason it still works as of today, even though the blog was taken down), FEMA prison railcars, etc. He also claims constant government persecution in this video. I find that to be highly amusing, since he worked for the very same people that he accused of persecuting him.
Hal Turner is now out of the picture. Good riddance. I do sincerely hope he gets a cellmate that is both big and black, and he gets “it” every night, and several times during the day. He’d make a GREAT prison bitch for some lucky felon.
Next on the docket is Alex Jones. What a piece of work that turd is. Where, oh where, do I start with him? Seriously, you can google “alex jones disinfo” and find reams of material on him.
Alex and Hal have much in common, except Jones doesn’t appear to be racist in any way. With that exception, they talk about the same topics.
My oh my how the New World Order hates poor Alex. They follow him around like lost little puppies. But it’s not just some schmucks that follow Jones. Oh no. He has Special Forces as his personal shadow. I guess these Special Forces don’t have anything better to do than to tail poor persecuted Alex. At least he didn’t call them “green berets”.
HERE is a video where Alex goes into basic dogfighting skills (!) and explains that having the enemy behind you is at 6 o’clock; a bandit in front of you is at 12 o’clock, and there’s 2 o’clock, and 9 o’clock etc. Well, he has a bandit at his 6. He has “all sorts of bogies at his 6 and they are firing!” Rat tat tat tat tat tat! Break right, Alex! BREAK RIGHT! You stupid lying son of a bitch.
He has “lots of courage”! Listen to him pat himself on the back by lying through his teeth. Listen to him ramble on and on and on about how brave he is and about the death threats he gets.
Now one thing about brave people is this: They NEVER and I mean NEVER tell you how brave they are!!! Jones does. Listen to it if you don’t believe me. I provided the link.
Now Alex has a very loyal following. One simply does not bring up certain topics when one is among Jones’ worshipers. They consider any such rudeness to be blasphemy. His worshipers really do believe Jones can do no wrong, and his his words are the gospel truth, even when proven differently. I’ve seen this play out several times.
Here is classic Jones. Did Jones write that article? No. Is it on his site? Yes. Who is responsible for posting that article? Jones is. Who is responsible for not correcting it? Jones is. This is what I consider to be disinfo by proxy.
But here are some videos that use Jones’ own words. Watch them if you have the time. Imagine what would have happened if Jones had been successful. Jack McLamb
The next witless witness is Jack McLamb. He heads an organization that is laughingly titled “Police & Military Against the New World Order”. Imagine that, the very same people that are enforcing the new world order can also be against it.
They enforce the bullshit laws and blow up wedding parties and villages, but THEY DON’T REALLY MEAN IT, you know? It makes them so sad to do it. They shed so many tears doing these things.
I don’t trust him simply because he is a pig. But I will try and get past that here.
Jack is really big in the FEMA “death camp”, “red-blue list”, and of all things, “painted dots on your mailbox that will be used to lead the military to your front door when martial law is declared” subset of the patriot movement. Don’t believe me? Here it is:
Why is he still wearing his uniform? He is retired, you know?
I really recommend watching that video. You will see some classic disinfo. He hides the lies in the truth, and he poisons the entire thing. He makes the entire patriot community look like drooling morons by simple association. He worms his way in and poisons everything he touches.
Where are these infamous camps? Every time someone brings them up, I demand to know exactly where they are. What always happens is that it takes me about 5 minutes to debunk it. If these camps were real, then it would be no problem to find and verify their locations.
He also parrots the martial law scenario, same as Jones, same as Turner.
Martial law is a very interesting threat that these people harp on constantly. I personally find it interesting, and a non-issue, because I have traveled all 48 states as a truck driver. I know first hand how big this country is. It is too big, and people are too well armed, for there to ever be nationwide martial law. It would take tens of thousands of troops to lock down one medium sized city like St Louis. There are no such troops.
Now, why do they do these things? What is it exactly that makes them head honcho VIPs in the patriot community?
1) They have built up credibility by telling some truth. Disinfo artists do not lie all the time. They pick the right time to lie in order to do as much harm to the movement as possible.
2) Their claims of harassment and death threats are very telling. It’s something that almost all of them do, and here is why they do it, in my opinion: (a)It builds instant credibility among the gullible fools out there. After all, they must be having a huge impact in order to bring all that negative attention on themselves, right?
(b) It discourages others from stepping out and doing this work by themselves, since they dont want this kind of harassment. (c) It allows the true believers to flirt with danger from the sidelines. They can live their lives vicariously through their favorite celebrity “patriot”. (d) It makes these “patriots” look so brave. Not even death threats will stop them. This = instant credibility boost.
3) The more outrageous the claim, no matter what it is, the more likely you are to be believed. Patriots have a distrust of mainstream media, and rightfully so. But some show an amazing level of trust in alternative sources with very little discernment.
So, with that I rest my case. I presented 3 great witnesses, and they were hung by their own words.
Granted, I am sure I could have done better, but I hopefully gave you a good place to start your own investigations.
HARTFORD — – Internet blogger Harold “Hal” Turner’s attorney said today that Turner’s background as an FBI informant will be a key part of his defense to charges that he incited violence against two state legislators and a state ethics official.
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#1. To: All (#0)
The title was not edited correctly. Ize don't normally write like dat...
I've been warning people about this very thing on this site and others for years. Something else to think about: A CNN editor was just fired for making a positive remark on her twitter account about a person Israel and the American government dislike. In short, it was politically incorrect. Over the last several years, various radio personalities have been taken off the air for remarks deemed politically incorrect as well. Please don't ask me to name names because I do not remember, I just know that over the years I've read about people being removed because they said something someone didn't like. Yet look what Jones and others of his ilk say on the radio on a daily basis. They get away with things that would force "normal" talk radio personalities into the unemployment line. IMHO, if Jones, Watson, etc., etc., were real, the government would be sparing no expense at doing whatever it took to shut them up. Threatening ISP's and radio stations, planting kiddie porn evidence in their homes while they are away and arresting them on child porn charges, or outright murdering them like they did Bill Cooper.
I dont know. It seems to me that doing things like that would not be necessary. Not just unnecessary, but play directly into AJs hands. Instead of just claiming .gov persecution, he could prove persecution. No one would believe AJ has kiddie porn or anything like that. As much as I despise him and the others I wrote about, I would not believe it, even if it was true. I believe our .gov even less than I believe Jones and Co. If he was a threat, he wouldn't be around. Government goes after leaders, and like it or not he is a leader. Not my leader, but you know what I mean. I think .gov would take care of him thru their MSM proxies, as to avoid dirty hands. It would be an easy thing to do. If he is working for Them, then they'll leave him alone. Phony BS about getting constant death threats and being followed by special forces notwithstanding, of course... But he is not the only one out there. People focus on him because he is better known, and steps in shit more than others do, but I also mentioned others that are just as bad.
I was just using that as an example. The government has given themselves so much power that there is no end to the mischief they could cause.
I know. But if they are going to do anything to him, they have to be smart about it. And imho they would have done it by now, if he was a threat to them. They did it to others, like you said. All the MSM has to do is use clips of AJ and the others spouting nonsense, like I did above. If I can do it, why can't they? It's not as if they have to make up anything. If he and others are genuine threats to the PTB, the expense would be minimal and the results would be devastating to us and them. But he isn't a threat to the PTB. Going after him would be counterproductive and a blessing to the real threats. .
OK, so lets take all this as a given, who & what do we listen to and follow, should such time arise? IOW, who gets to administer the Patriot Purity Test? This isn't to suggest you're wrong, but having dabbled in radio some years back, WE are a tough audience, one that will never, ever be unified, IMO.
I dont accept the question. Why follow anyone? Anyone that wants followers is suspect right off the bat. I dont' want anyone following me. Do you want anyone following you? IMO leaders, true leaders, will emerge. But not beforehand. Now we have the "my way or the highway" style of "leadership". That wont last long when things really matter. When it's life and death, then the real leaders will show themselves. Maybe it will be you, or me, or someone else here, or no one here. WE are a tough audience, one that will never, ever be unified, IMO. IT depends on what kind of unity you are looking for, imo. We already are unified in that we want to be left alone to live our lives out in peace. By peace, I dont mean an absence of war, but the absence of .gov threat. This leaves room for differing opinions. .
I would add our posterity to that sentence and ask is that too much to expect in a "free country" ?
#19. To: noone222 (#17)
Yeah. I know it wont happen that way. The psychopaths will again rise to the top. It sucks that we have to keep doing this over and over and over again. I'd rather do it right, once and for all. History shows that is not possible. Maybe that is for the best. And if this is the ultimate The End, then it will finally be peace. We will never do it through our own efforts, try as we might. It will take an act of God. .
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#3. To: PSUSA (#1)
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“His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner that would cause their arrest,” Orozco said.
#4. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#3)
IMHO, if Jones, Watson, etc., etc., were real, the government would be sparing no expense at doing whatever it took to shut them up. Threatening ISP's and radio stations, planting kiddie porn evidence in their homes while they are away and arresting them on child porn charges, or outright murdering them like they did Bill Cooper.
#8. To: PSUSA (#4)
No one would believe AJ has kiddie porn or anything like that.
#9. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#8)
I was just using that as an example.
#10. To: PSUSA, all (#9)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
OK, so lets take all this as a given, who & what do we listen to and follow, should such time arise?
#17. To: PSUSA (#16)
We already are unified in that we want to be left alone to live our lives out in peace.
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