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Title: Retread: Are these personal(ity) attacks or not?
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URL Source: http://surrealworld.wordpress.com/2 ... -want-to-be-a-patriot-vip-huh/
Published: Jul 8, 2010
Author: Me
Post Date: 2010-07-08 14:59:48 by PSUSA
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Views: 378
Comments: 39
I’ve noticed something that’s a little bit disturbing. In order to be a VIP in the alternative news / patriot game, you must claim your life is threatened and/or you are being constantly harassed by government operatives.
You also need to have the ability to put your listeners into a state of panic by coordinating your disinformation with others disinformation.
Add to this the ability to make even the most outlandish claims believable to a certain segment of the patriot community. Don’t worry about this, just try and sound sincere. It’s an acquired skill. It takes time for them to be able to spout their crap without breaking into a hearty laugh. You’ll get the hang of it.
I will use 3 examples to show this. These 3 are, in my oh-so-humble opinion, the 3 biggest alternative news personalities out there. These 3 are Alex Jones, Hal Turner, and Jack McLamb. You may argue about the prominence of these 3, but humor me for the sake of argument. It’s not as if I can write about all of them. Hal Turner, looking smug
I will start with Turner. Turner is a little shitbag that had a radio show based out of New Jersey. He used racist rants and other tactics to rile up his listeners into a state of frenzy. Turner lied through his teeth.
Hal Turner admitted working with the FBI. The FBI admitted using Turner to spread disinformation throughout the patriot community. What this did, which was to the governments advantage, was equate patriotism with racism.
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That role as an informant for the FBI is a key part of the defense, Orozco [his lawyer -PSUSA] said outside court.
Orozco said Turner was trained by the FBI as “an agent provocateur.”
“Mr. Turner was trained by the FBI,” Orozco said. “He was told where the line was — what he could say.”
In his comments on his blog that brought the state and federal charges, Turner did not cross that line, Orozco said.
Orozco said Turner worked for the FBI from roughly 2002 to 2007.
“His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner that would cause their arrest,” Orozco said.
Mr Turner has a long term and interesting relationship with Sean Hannity.
Turner talks about the Amero currency fraud, martial law / mass graves (that link is from Turners blog. For some reason it still works as of today, even though the blog was taken down), FEMA prison railcars, etc. He also claims constant government persecution in this video. I find that to be highly amusing, since he worked for the very same people that he accused of persecuting him.
Hal Turner is now out of the picture. Good riddance. I do sincerely hope he gets a cellmate that is both big and black, and he gets “it” every night, and several times during the day. He’d make a GREAT prison bitch for some lucky felon.
Next on the docket is Alex Jones. What a piece of work that turd is. Where, oh where, do I start with him? Seriously, you can google “alex jones disinfo” and find reams of material on him.
Alex and Hal have much in common, except Jones doesn’t appear to be racist in any way. With that exception, they talk about the same topics.
My oh my how the New World Order hates poor Alex. They follow him around like lost little puppies. But it’s not just some schmucks that follow Jones. Oh no. He has Special Forces as his personal shadow. I guess these Special Forces don’t have anything better to do than to tail poor persecuted Alex. At least he didn’t call them “green berets”.
HERE is a video where Alex goes into basic dogfighting skills (!) and explains that having the enemy behind you is at 6 o’clock; a bandit in front of you is at 12 o’clock, and there’s 2 o’clock, and 9 o’clock etc. Well, he has a bandit at his 6. He has “all sorts of bogies at his 6 and they are firing!” Rat tat tat tat tat tat! Break right, Alex! BREAK RIGHT! You stupid lying son of a bitch.
He has “lots of courage”! Listen to him pat himself on the back by lying through his teeth. Listen to him ramble on and on and on about how brave he is and about the death threats he gets.
Now one thing about brave people is this: They NEVER and I mean NEVER tell you how brave they are!!! Jones does. Listen to it if you don’t believe me. I provided the link.
Now Alex has a very loyal following. One simply does not bring up certain topics when one is among Jones’ worshipers. They consider any such rudeness to be blasphemy. His worshipers really do believe Jones can do no wrong, and his his words are the gospel truth, even when proven differently. I’ve seen this play out several times.
Here is classic Jones. Did Jones write that article? No. Is it on his site? Yes. Who is responsible for posting that article? Jones is. Who is responsible for not correcting it? Jones is. This is what I consider to be disinfo by proxy.
But here are some videos that use Jones’ own words. Watch them if you have the time. Imagine what would have happened if Jones had been successful. Jack McLamb
The next witless witness is Jack McLamb. He heads an organization that is laughingly titled “Police & Military Against the New World Order”. Imagine that, the very same people that are enforcing the new world order can also be against it.
They enforce the bullshit laws and blow up wedding parties and villages, but THEY DON’T REALLY MEAN IT, you know? It makes them so sad to do it. They shed so many tears doing these things.
I don’t trust him simply because he is a pig. But I will try and get past that here.
Jack is really big in the FEMA “death camp”, “red-blue list”, and of all things, “painted dots on your mailbox that will be used to lead the military to your front door when martial law is declared” subset of the patriot movement. Don’t believe me? Here it is:
Why is he still wearing his uniform? He is retired, you know?
I really recommend watching that video. You will see some classic disinfo. He hides the lies in the truth, and he poisons the entire thing. He makes the entire patriot community look like drooling morons by simple association. He worms his way in and poisons everything he touches.
Where are these infamous camps? Every time someone brings them up, I demand to know exactly where they are. What always happens is that it takes me about 5 minutes to debunk it. If these camps were real, then it would be no problem to find and verify their locations.
He also parrots the martial law scenario, same as Jones, same as Turner.
Martial law is a very interesting threat that these people harp on constantly. I personally find it interesting, and a non-issue, because I have traveled all 48 states as a truck driver. I know first hand how big this country is. It is too big, and people are too well armed, for there to ever be nationwide martial law. It would take tens of thousands of troops to lock down one medium sized city like St Louis. There are no such troops.
Now, why do they do these things? What is it exactly that makes them head honcho VIPs in the patriot community?
1) They have built up credibility by telling some truth. Disinfo artists do not lie all the time. They pick the right time to lie in order to do as much harm to the movement as possible.
2) Their claims of harassment and death threats are very telling. It’s something that almost all of them do, and here is why they do it, in my opinion: (a)It builds instant credibility among the gullible fools out there. After all, they must be having a huge impact in order to bring all that negative attention on themselves, right?
(b) It discourages others from stepping out and doing this work by themselves, since they dont want this kind of harassment. (c) It allows the true believers to flirt with danger from the sidelines. They can live their lives vicariously through their favorite celebrity “patriot”. (d) It makes these “patriots” look so brave. Not even death threats will stop them. This = instant credibility boost.
3) The more outrageous the claim, no matter what it is, the more likely you are to be believed. Patriots have a distrust of mainstream media, and rightfully so. But some show an amazing level of trust in alternative sources with very little discernment.
So, with that I rest my case. I presented 3 great witnesses, and they were hung by their own words.
Granted, I am sure I could have done better, but I hopefully gave you a good place to start your own investigations.
HARTFORD — – Internet blogger Harold “Hal” Turner’s attorney said today that Turner’s background as an FBI informant will be a key part of his defense to charges that he incited violence against two state legislators and a state ethics official.
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#1. To: All (#0)
The title was not edited correctly. Ize don't normally write like dat...
I've been warning people about this very thing on this site and others for years. Something else to think about: A CNN editor was just fired for making a positive remark on her twitter account about a person Israel and the American government dislike. In short, it was politically incorrect. Over the last several years, various radio personalities have been taken off the air for remarks deemed politically incorrect as well. Please don't ask me to name names because I do not remember, I just know that over the years I've read about people being removed because they said something someone didn't like. Yet look what Jones and others of his ilk say on the radio on a daily basis. They get away with things that would force "normal" talk radio personalities into the unemployment line. IMHO, if Jones, Watson, etc., etc., were real, the government would be sparing no expense at doing whatever it took to shut them up. Threatening ISP's and radio stations, planting kiddie porn evidence in their homes while they are away and arresting them on child porn charges, or outright murdering them like they did Bill Cooper.
True, but they do serve a useful function in alerting people. Jones tries to be as obnoxious as possible, but still the audience has grown beyond the initial few Patriots who actually read (yeah there are still a few of those oddballs left). It is an acknowledgment that the Patriot movement was already growing - that people were already becoming alerted to the growing dangers. So, what's a good NWO Psych to do? AHA! Control the Patriot Movement by putting up a few of their own "Superpatriots" to (mis)lead the growing movement. Jones deals in alarmism, McLamb I don't listen to, and we all now know about Hal, your friendly FBI Snitch and Provocateur, Turner. Of course we have the other prime disinfo voices e.g., "With Talent On Loan from Drugs" Pills Limbuggerer, Sean Vannity, Michael Savage Wiener, etc., .... So, the Psych Warfare against the American Public is covered from multiple angles, and they are still losing ground". So, all is not glum and all is not lost, but we do need to know our enemies and the quisling shill traitors.
I think it is unwise to believe that he is the only one out there. On the contrary, now that Turner has been confirmed, the only safe thing to do is assume that there are more.
#25. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#7)
I think it is unwise to believe that he is the only one out there. On the contrary, now that Turner has been confirmed, the only safe thing to do is assume that there are more. Oh, absolutely. I am convinced that Limbaugh is run by an agency - most likely CIA. As well Sean, Warbot, Vannity; Mike, I want you boys to join not mine, Gallagher; Neil BOORtz; Glenn, Israel First, Dreck, et. al., .... My working assumption is that every major mainstream talk host is compromised at one level or another. Take Limbaugh for example - he was a minor market, Sacramento, talk show host who had to flee Kansas City for reasons unknown (but based on what I was told by someone who knew him it was likely his taste in boys). With something in his background to hold over him he becomes the perfect candidate because if he goes off the reservation they destroy him. Ditto Michael Savage Wiener writing fag love poems.
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“His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner that would cause their arrest,” Orozco said.
#5. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#3)
IMHO, if Jones, Watson, etc., etc., were real, the government would be sparing no expense at doing whatever it took to shut them up. Threatening ISP's and radio stations, planting kiddie porn evidence in their homes while they are away and arresting them on child porn charges, or outright murdering them like they did Bill Cooper.
#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)
we all now know about Hal, your friendly FBI Snitch and Provocateur, Turner.
Replies to Comment # 7. we all now know about Hal, your friendly FBI Snitch and Provocateur, Turner.
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