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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Views: 30307
Comments: 879
Poster Comment: This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior. They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her." He got life in prison. These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers.
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#14. To: Turdle, Turtle, christine, AllTheKingsHorses, all (#0)
So Turdle, are you and Hal Turner close friends? Any handlers in common? Isn't it amazing what some people will do for money? Oh, by the way I've seen the blonde's picture before in a different context. The other readily apparent difference is that the ears are not the same. Ears are a distinctive feature on a lot of people. Despite the damage to her face they should bear at least some resemblance, but the structure is not at all the same. I notice also that you did not provide a URL source. I'm calling Bullshit unless you can provide a source Got Agitprop?
I notice also that you did not provide a URL source. I'm calling Bullshit unless you can provide a source Got Agitprop? Typical denial mode of a classic CT windbag fuckwit. Harping on minutiae, using self-proclaimed expertise to allege the evidence isn't credible, then using prefab denials citing self as authoritative expert, to dismiss the subject out of hand. And throwing in a little scatological dig ("Turdle") in the process. Here's the link, maroon. Now what do you have to say?
I can recall news reports of similar events, they are rare, where the perp was white. All this proves is that there is at least one deranged ex-boyfriend in the world. It proves absolutely nothing else. I take it you guys are trying to divert from the other thread where you had your heads handed to you on that stupid conspiracy theory about "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree" being directed by a mad mullah in a cave in the remote mountains of far Afghanistan with his Magic Cellphone© that were able to hijack 4 airliners, without one of them giving a 4 digit 2 second hijack code, with box cutters and then leisurely joyride in the most controlled and monitored airspace on the planet and then with the precision of Master Pilots (which is pretty slick since they were all known incompetents as pilots and had never flown anything larger than a single engine propeller driven Cessna 172) fly them around for two hours without being intercepted, then with precision fly them into major buildings {and even more miraculously they able to take down 3 Buildings with 2 planes in new york - and presumably the "Psychic Friends Network was on the phone to both CNN and BBC as both reported the collapse of building 7 before it happened, as well despite a minimum of 13 warnings from other foreign intelligence agencies the government had no clue that such an event could be considered or possibly happen (as per White House Spokesliar Ari Fourflusher at a White House News Conference, despite having two years earlier recovered a hard drive from the Phillipines which detailed this exact scenario)}. You conspiracy kooks are just too rich.
dang it OI now you went and made the resident shill for the liar movement cry.
I had no idea he was so sensitive over the Psychic Friends Network. Honest.
Hey internet CT pushers! Did ya happen to know that over 6 times as many Americans (50%) believe that UFO aliens have abducted humans, than believe it was "very likely" that the WTC Towers were brought down by "secretly planted explosives (6%)?" Of course you didn't!!!!!!! That suuure is a select group of people you're included in. BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!! Poll: U.S. Hiding Knowledge of [UFO] Aliens The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. • 77% "unlikely"
I see you have received the coveted "PSY-OP" award, not just once but several times on this thread; you have even received warnings in black, bold hyper font from time to time! This is an honour that only a few of us esteemed patriots can sport about the 4um. You have made the BIG_TIME. BTW, you win the thread. Good job, that took a lot of perseverance and tenacity.
It takes a lot of ignorance to believe that Aggravator has "won" anything on this thread. He showed himself to be a pro-government stooge who swallows their lies if that is what you think of as a "winner."
Where has AGAviator taken a "pro-government" perspective?
Anyone who believes that stupid government conspiracy theory has a "pro-government" perspective. That is the wackiest theory of all. Ten thousand of the best clowns Ringing and Brothers has, has had, or will ever have, couldn't make up a story so stupid and lame. Yet nuts like Aggravator fell for it.
Beyond suspicion and doubt (which has been presented) where is there any direct proof and about government intervention concerning 9-11 other than after the devastating events? To pull off a mammoth tragedy like this would have taken hundreds if not thousands of personnel. And since 9-11, where are any of the whistle-blowers? To support a thesis based on reality requires not mere suspicion of a given phenomena. It requires supporting facts and a tragedy this large should have produced eye-witnesses by now. The events of 9-11 were pulled off by terrorists here in this country designed and planned in the ME, principally from Saudi Arabia. It was a carefully co-ordinated attack, timed to occur simultaneously at several destinations with a minimum of resources maximizing the devastation. The issues were about America's continuing support of and about Israel particularly as the US has aided and (indeed) orchestrated despair with the Palestinians. It was greatly influenced by the fall of the USSR's attempt to control Afghanistan while the US aided the "freedom fighters" there and then later vacated further assistance in the 1990s. There were other attempts in NYC in the 1990s that clearly show the contempt of the Taliban and the al-Qaida, as well. Now, I think the US government unintentionally received what is popularly referred to as "blowback; that is, the US government (particularly through the US state department and the CIA) created the sentiment of resentment based upon bungling and blundering our own official policies and procedures. But there was a strategic focus beyond anything mentioned which was the oil pipelines that were the REAL issues although never discussed from a formal US point of view. Those pipelines were worth far more than any war.... they were worth the sanctity of the US people to continue their unrelenting gluttony of sucking 25% of the world's oil supplies. So, it was really a sustaining mission and continues to this very day AND they is why you see politicians consistently flip-flop about their perspective of getting out. If America were truly attempting to modify it's methods of energy supplies (say adding nuclear power plants as China is performing) we could be out of the ME in no time at all. But, we don't do it. The politicians are controlled by powerful lobbyists that ensure ample rewards back to the politicians to continue sustaining America's oil gluttony. There is a threshold of pain that the American people require before we adopt alternative energy methods .... when that level of pain hits, it shall take years to develop and ensure ample distribution methods and through that period of time Americans are going to suffer BIG_TIME. But, we lack a need to modify our dependence on oil just yet. We have BP and deepwater technologies to thank for that.
#148. To: buckeroo (#147)
Yes, and no one has ever said a word. They haven't got drunk, or confessed on their deathbed, or found Jesus, or been overcome with guilt or gone on Oprah, or best of all, come clean because they're afraid another conspiracist is going to kill them to sure they won't talk. Nope, every one of them, all thousands of them, are keeping their lips zipped, showing complete loyalty to their cause. It's all nonsense, because the only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead.
There were millions of "eye witnesses" who saw the Salomon Brothers Building fall into its own footprint in about as close to free fall speed as you could imagine. For those who might not know that is in reference to WTC 7, the building which fell even though no plane hit it. And no other steel-framed skyscraper ever before or since has fallen due to fire damage, though some have burned much longer and hotter. One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. It was later described by Philadelphia officials as "the most significant fire in this century". The fire caused window breakage, cracking of granite, and failures of spandrel panel connections. Despite the severity and duration of the fire, as evidenced by the damage the building sustained, no part of the building collapsed. The First Interstate Bank Fire The First Interstate Bank Building is a 62-story skyscraper in Los Angeles that suffered the worst high-rise fire in the city's history. From the late evening of May 4, 1988 through the early morning of the next day, 64 fire companies battled the blaze, which lasted for 3 1/2 hours. The fire caused extensive window breakage, which complicated firefighting efforts. Large flames jutted out of the building during the blaze. Firefighting efforts resulted in massive water damage to floors below the fire, and the fire gutted offices from the 12th to the 16th floor, and caused extensive smoke damage to floors above. The fire caused an estimated $200 million in direct property loss. A report by Iklim Ltd. describes the structural damage from the fire: In spite of the total burnout of four and a half floors, there was no damage to the main structural members and only minor damage to one secondary beam and a small number of floor pans. The 1 New York Plaza Fire 1 New York Plaza is a 50-story office tower less than a mile from the World Trade Center site. It suffered a severe fire and explosion on August 5, 1970. The fire started around 6 PM, and burned for more than 6 hours. Caracas Tower Fire The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters. Lax enforcement of fire codes in Venezuela was blamed for the malfunctioning of water pumps and a lack of fire extinguishers inside of the building. Because the building was empty when the fire broke out, no civilians were killed or injured. The Beijing Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire The most recent example of a spectacular skyscraper fire was the burning of the Hotel Mandarin Oriental starting on February 9, 2009. The nearly completed 520-foot-tall skyscraper in Beijing caught fire around 8:00 pm, was engulfed within 20 minutes, and burned for at least 3 hours until midnight. Despite the fact that the fire extended across all of the floors for a period of time and burned out of control for hours, no large portion of the structure collapsed.... And then there was the obvious stand down by the Air Force that day. Despite normal intercept times of between 10 and 20 minutes for errant domestic flights, the airliners commandeered on 9/11/01 roamed the skies for over an hour without interference. And this in one of the busiest, if not the busiest, air traffic corridor in the world? Give me a break! 9/11 was either a MIHOP or a LIHOP. The government either made it happen on purpose or let it happen on purpose. No other explanation explains all the anomalies and the facts that are known. edited to remove footnote numbers since no footnotes are included here.
Yes, after nearly 9 years, not a single conspirator has undergone a deathbed conversion. Not one. Yes, OBL says as much in his October 2004 Complete Transcript And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal Institute of International Affairs (when they pointed out that) for example, al Qaeda spent $500,000 on the event, while America in the incident and its aftermath lost- according to the lowest estimate-more than 500 billion dollars, meaning that every dollar of al-Qa'ida defeated a million dollars by the permission of Allah besides the loss of a huge number of jobs. As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record, astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars. And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the Mujahedin recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq which is evidence of the success of the bleed- until-bankruptcy plan A little known fact about the Afghan mujahideen in the 1980's is that most of the Afghans who were actually fighting the Red Army and their communist surrogates didn't want any foreigners from Egypt or Saudi Arabia. The idea of sending people from abroad to fight with the Afghans originated in Cairo and Saudi Arabia. These countries wanted to get rid of their dissidents opposed to Israel, and hopefully get the dissidents killed in a jihad abroad. Unfortunately, few of the dissidents took the bait, and once in Pakistan, started politicking in Peshawar instead of going to the fronts. OBL was the one exception to that, and his courage and willingness to fight up front and spend his own money to build fortifications, is the reason he is still revered there to this day. And why it is just about impossible for anyone to turn him in no matter what money is offered. The biggest cause of blowback was the false US assumption that the foreign jihadi would take the bait and let themselves be used as cannon fodder in the Afghan jihad. The US played the foreign jihadi for suckers, and instead the jihadis saw through the smokescreen and out smarted the US using American money to build their own organizations, infrastructure, and connections. Which continue to this day. If America were truly attempting to modify it's methods of energy supplies (say adding nuclear power plants as China is performing) we could be out of the ME in no time at all. But, we don't do it. The politicians are controlled by powerful lobbyists that ensure ample rewards back to the politicians to continue sustaining America's oil gluttony. During the 1980's there was a big focus on conserving oil. Then in the 1990's when it appeared America would be the "world's superpower," we gave ourselves a victory present: Faster highway speeds, less conservation rules, Hummers getting single digit MPG, and general wastefulness of a dwindling natural resource. Meaning, when when a shortage does hit, it's going to be pretty brutal. But, we lack a need to modify our dependence on oil just yet. We have BP and deepwater technologies to thank for that.
Thoughtful post, IMHO.
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#21. To: turtle, Original_Intent, buckeroo (#14)
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The other readily apparent difference is that the ears are not the same. Ears are a distinctive feature on a lot of people. Despite the damage to her face they should bear at least some resemblance, but the structure is not at all the same.
#24. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, X-15, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, buckeroo, turdle, christine, all (#21)
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#100. To: Original_Intent (#24)
#121. To: IRTorqued (#100)
dang it OI now you went and made the resident shill for the liar movement cry.
#129. To: Original_Intent, IRTorqued, critter, buckeroo, turtle (#121)
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so sensitive over the Psychic Friends Network. Honest.
Sixty- four percent of the respondents said that aliens have contacted humans,
Half said they've abducted humans, and
37 percent said they have contacted the U.S. government. The collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings"
• 10% "somewhat likely"
• 6% "very likely"[13]
#133. To: AGAviator (#129)
#142. To: buckeroo (#133)
BTW, you win the thread. Good job, that took a lot of perseverance and tenacity.
#143. To: James Deffenbach, AGAviator (#142)
He showed himself to be a pro-government stooge who swallows their lies
#145. To: buckeroo (#143)
#147. To: James Deffenbach (#145)
Replies to Comment # 147. To pull off a mammoth tragedy like this would have taken hundreds if not thousands of personnel.
#149. To: buckeroo (#147)
(Edited)
To support a thesis based on reality requires not mere suspicion of a given phenomena. It requires supporting facts and a tragedy this large should have produced eye-witnesses by now.
#170. To: buckeroo (#147)
(Edited)
To pull off a mammoth tragedy like this would have taken hundreds if not thousands of personnel. And since 9-11, where are any of the whistle-blowers?
The events of 9-11 were pulled off by terrorists here in this country designed and planned in the ME, principally from Saudi Arabia. It was a carefully co-ordinated attack, timed to occur simultaneously at several destinations with a minimum of resources maximizing the devastation.
And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White House and us are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the United States even if the intentions differ.
The issues were about America's continuing support of and about Israel particularly as the US has aided and (indeed) orchestrated despair with the Palestinians. It was greatly influenced by the fall of the USSR's attempt to control Afghanistan while the US aided the "freedom fighters" there and then later vacated further assistance in the 1990s.
Now, I think the US government unintentionally received what is popularly referred to as "blowback; that is, the US government (particularly through the US state department and the CIA) created the sentiment of resentment based upon bungling and blundering our own official policies and procedures.
But there was a strategic focus beyond anything mentioned which was the oil pipelines that were the REAL issues although never discussed from a formal US point of view. Those pipelines were worth far more than any war.... they were worth the sanctity of the US people to continue their unrelenting gluttony of sucking 25% of the world's oil supplies. So, it was really a sustaining mission and continues to this very day AND they is why you see politicians consistently flip-flop about their perspective of getting out.
There is a threshold of pain that the American people require before we adopt alternative energy methods .... when that level of pain hits, it shall take years to develop and ensure ample distribution methods and through that period of time Americans are going to suffer BIG_TIME. With 3-6 Americans killed per day in Afghanistan by the "7th century cave dwellers," the supposed "no quagmire" and "the terrorists have elected to receive" zone, and an economy with no new jobs teetering on the brink of collapse, and pressure from the Tel Aviv overlords to attack Iran, I think there is going to be a pretty rapid unraveling before year end.
#229. To: buckeroo (#147)
But, we lack a need to modify our dependence on oil just yet. We have BP and deepwater technologies to thank for that.
End Trace Mode for Comment # 147.