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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior.

They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her."

He got life in prison.

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#340. To: Dakmar, buckeroo, turtle, critter, Dakmar (#339)

You don't understand the difference between popular sentiment and rational thought.

Ther's nothing rational about your own unsubstantiated assertions the collapses happened because of activities done directly by the US govenment.

You've had nearly 9 years to make your case, and as time goes on more and more people are advocating the US get out of Middle East wars, but less and less of them are saying the original attacks were done by the US.

There is a much more substantial minority - also cited in the polls - who believes certain elements within the USG didn't do enough to head off the attacks, which I also subscribe to. But not did it themselves, because they're not cunning or smart enough to pull something of this scale off without it blowing up in their faces and being discovered.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-10   22:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#341. To: AGAviator (#340)

Ther's nothing rational about your own unsubstantiated assertions the collapses happened because of activities done directly by the US govenment.

I've asserted no such thing, but why let facts stand in the way of a good lie?

"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-07-10   22:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#342. To: AGAviator (#323)

Twofferk00ks infiltrate Bill Maher TV show, he kicks them out, audience applauds.

So what are YOU, a LIARKOOK? BTW, are you a huge disciple of Bill Maher? I bet you're a huge fan of Obama too, aren't you...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-11   1:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#343. To: AGAviator (#321)

WTC 7 had more than 20,000 gallons feeding an uninterruped power supply with self-contained pumps continually pushing the diesel through a severed feed line until all tanks were totally empty.

Really? Post a link. Or is that something else you made up and/or pulled out of your ass? Incidently, even IF true, how's that explain the sudden symetrical collapse and free fall?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-11   1:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#344. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, (#343) (Edited)

Really?

Post a link.

Or is that something else you made up and/or pulled out of your ass?

Incidently, even IF true

What a little faggot you are.

You're ignorant of facts, you want to challenge and insult me, but you're worried I'll bitch slap you with incontrovertible facts like I've done to so many other kooks already, so you line up your final smokescreen of "even if true."

You're pathetic, Six Percenter. Or make that 4.6 percenter if you want to go by the 2007 Zogby results.

And do your own research instead of demanding I do it for you. Nobody needs to convince you idiots of anything, because you're irrelevant.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   2:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#345. To: FormerLurker (#342)

So what are YOU, a LIARKOOK? BTW, are you a huge disciple of Bill Maher? I bet you're a huge fan of Obama too

I'm somebody who hates liars, k00ks, and groupthink.

As far as Obama, I've already said elsewhere he's 50% brain dead in a government with most people 99% brain dead. So no I'm not a fan, but on his worst day he's better than the likes of you.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   2:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#346. To: Dakmar, AGAviator, a.k.a. Tailspin Charley (#339)

You don't understand the difference between popular sentiment and rational thought. Are you planning to vote for Obama in 2012 or are you still waiting to see what everyone else is doing?

O-o-o-b-a-a-a-a-aaamaa.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-11   2:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#347. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, Dakmar, all (#345)

As far as Obama, I've already said elsewhere he's 50% brain dead in a government with most people 99% brain dead. So no I'm not a fan, but on his worst day he's better than the likes of you.

So, where do you place people who believe in preposterous government conspiracy theories who sycophantically suspend whatever faculties they may have to repeat ad nauseam spin line after spin line?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-11   2:22:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#348. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, Critter, Dakmar, Jethro Tull, christine, Rotara, Artisan, abraxas, IRTorqued, Eric Stratton, Flintlock, noone222, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, HighLairEon, bluegrass, James Deffenbach, *9-11*, all (#344)

Ad homs are all you got and all you'll ever have. ;-)


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-11   2:24:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#349. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, Dakmar, all (#344)

And do your own research instead of demanding I do it for you. Nobody needs to convince you idiots of anything, because you're irrelevant.

Then if the viewpoint is irrelevant why have you run two threads into the three hundreds pontificating about the "Official Conspiracy Theory™" and how all of the anomalies and contradictory information can be carefully spun explained away by using the tips and tricks of the "Less than Amazing Randi"?

The reality is that it is true and it is you who is out of step with the picture the evidence paints.

Sorry about using words of more than one syllable, but you have to learn how to use a dictionary some day.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-11   2:27:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#350. To: Dakmar, Original_Intent, christine, FormerLurker, all, *Post Of The Day* (#339)

I see. You don't understand the difference between popular sentiment and rational thought. Are you planning to vote for Obama in 2012 or are you still waiting to see what everyone else is doing?


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-11   2:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#351. To: Original_Intent (#347)

So, where do you place people who believe in preposterous government conspiracy theories who sycophantically suspend whatever faculties they may have to repeat ad nauseam spin line after spin line?

Tell me how the 2004 Obama video interview with al Jazeera, where he says that he and Bush are working together to bankrupt the US, albeit for different motives, is a "preposterous government conspiracy theory."

And don't get started on your ***preposterous*** "it wasn't OBL in the video" claim, either.

That's been debunked too.

911 Myths.com: Why Does Osama Have 2 Different Noses? Pages 1-3

This is like one of those “before and after” cosmetic surgery ads in which the “before” photo is deliberately unflattering, with harsh directional lighting. True, the quality of the “confession” video is very poor, as is the quality of this reproduction, but did the “truth-seekers” really use a representative video still?

For example, at right is another video still of Bin Laden. It’s also from a poor-quality video with bad lighting, but I think we can agree that he looks like the “long nose” Bin Laden in the photo on the above right, yes? But if I had chosen the worst still from that video, bin Laden might look more like me or like Fidel Castroor like the guy in the photo at the above left.

Well guess what? The still at right is also from the confession video. It’s the same man, in the same setting, as the “short nose” Bin Laden. My, how deceiving people can be when they cherry-pick information! So, “truth seekers,” what do you have to say for yourselves? How interested are you in finding the truth? I await your answer.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   3:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#352. To: AGAviator (#351)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-11   3:09:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#353. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#349) (Edited)

Then if the viewpoint is irrelevant why have you run two threads into the three hundreds

How many of your k00kflock members have addressed posts to me, complete with your denials, personal attacks usually your containing scatological and obscene projections like this one , never- ending bizarre theories of alternate reality, and truckoads of beside the point, off-topic, preprogrammed word dumps.

Tell me what proportion of the posts and word content on any thread is mine vs. you people. You are the ones dragging these things out because you can't stay on topic and you can't stop trying to defend the unsupportable.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   3:15:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#354. To: wudidiz (#348) (Edited)

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   3:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#355. To: AGAviator (#353)

Please tell me who fucking invited a homosexual twerp like you to violate the normal harmony shared by others here that aren't government informant TWERPS.

(Twerp = one that farts in the bath tub and then bites the bubble to sniff it. Most TWERPS are also kikes. This mental disorder appears to be genetic).

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces

noone222  posted on  2010-07-11   4:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#356. To: wudidiz (#348)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-11   6:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#357. To: AGAviator, All (#338)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-11   6:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#358. To: FormerLurker (#343)

Really? Post a link. Or is that something else you made up and/or pulled out of your ass? Incidently, even IF true, how's that explain the sudden symetrical collapse and free fall?

It wouldn't. Never forget, they are talking about KEROSENE. It takes many gallons of it to burn a brush pile if it is wet or the stuff in it is green. No joke, I burned a brush pile about a year ago and I had a barrel of kerosene--good-sized barrel, probably half full. I thought I was going to have to use all of it on that brush pile! I finally got it burned by using my leaf blower like a bellows in a blacksmith shop. And that 20,000 gallons he is on about was not that Magickal Jet Fuel™. I think it may have been a few drops of that that hit building 7. /s

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-07-11   7:48:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#359. To: AGAviator (#338)

The first theory is the official story, and maintains that 19 Arab fundamentalists executed a surprise attack which caught US intelligence and military forces off guard.

That is the correct story.

It unfortunately leaves a lot of us with a sense that all the tax dollars pissed away on intelligence and military and associated services were absolutlely flushed down the toilet.

And when you couple the FACT that all of the 19 terrorists were here illegally, you wonder who is asleep at the wheel or is anyone really there.

Of course, immediately afterwards, the US government creates the US Patriot Act permitting eavesdrops on US citizens without court orders and other domestic spying activities and called "new tools" which clearly violate our individual rights and liberties ..... and there is even more .... create two war efforts (although Iraq was illegal) that later shows even more absurd blunders by the US military /intelligence when not one WMD was discovered .... and then leads to a consolidation of the intelligence services within a new umbrella organization tucked under "Homeland security."

Meanwhile, all this wasted money has done nothing with the singular exception of expanding the US government .... pissing away more dollars.

The American government is a laff a minute. It is reminiscent of the old slap-stick comedy team, "the Three Stooges."

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-11   11:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#360. To: buckeroo (#359)

Buckeroo. Why didn't Andrews Air Force Base Respond? Oh that is right they just happened to be sent out over the atlantic ocean that day. Then sept 12 their website just happened to change their misson statement of protecting their area.

I have some holy water to sell you. It costs just a thousand dollars and you are guaranteed to get to meet God. /end sarcasm

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-11   11:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#361. To: A K A Stone (#360)

Why didn't Andrews Air Force Base Respond?

The pilots were on a honorarium for their Chief Pilot in the White House. They were too sick from self imbibed alcohol and cocaine poisoning to make a difference as a salute to their role model.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-11   11:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#362. To: buckeroo (#361)

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-11   11:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#363. To: Eric Stratton (#357)

What, you gonna cite home prices as of January '06 as "the going rate" too.

The amount of people who GAS about 911 k00ktheories has gone down since then, dimwit.

There are a number of people running for election advocating the US get out of the Middle East. Up from past years. However not one of them is expressing belief in the "USG controlled demolition" theory freakshow, in spite of the CT'ers having 9 years and unending internet resources to make their case and persuade the public.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   12:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#364. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo, (#360) (Edited)

Buckeroo. Why didn't Andrews Air Force Base Respond?

The US Air Force's primary task has always been to protect the US from foreign attack, not from hijacked domestic civil aircraft.

All commercial traffic within the US is under control of the FAA, not the US military. This means that any request for the Air Force to patrol or police the internal US civilian air traffic must come from and through the FAA.

At the time of the hijackings there were several thousand aircraft in the air, over US air space. Those several thousand planes had to be landed and given orderly instructions and routes, and then tracked, to get down without crashing.

Air traffic control of thousands of planes simultaneously without any advance notice is not done like musical chairs where you just grab the nearest seat and damn any consequences. There has to be an ordered emergency procedure which takes a number of minutes to clear the skies.

All aircraft, even hostile military aircraft, normally use transponders to show their locations to their own sides. The hostile aircraft can turn off their transponders once inside hostile territory, but then run the risk of getting shot down by any of their own support craft once they do this. So frequently it is possible to identify hostile aircraft through transponders, which is much easier than trying to track a few objects hundreds of miles away with weak radar signals, scattered among thousands of aircraft with strong transponder signals. However the transponders of all 4 hijacked aircraft were turned off immediately after they were taken over so they were much harder to track.

All this "Conspiracy! The USAF didn't instantly know where all the hijacked planes with no transponder signals were!" are products of the usual suspects - internet rubes with zero knowledge of the subject matter, in this case aviation.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   13:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#365. To: AGAviator, AKA Stone (#364)

That was an excellent response and to the point; earlier on my response to the same question, I was being ludicrous .... as it is one of my nasty traits.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-11   13:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#366. To: buckeroo (#365) (Edited)

That was an excellent response and to the point

Thanks, I'm gradually putting together a list of all the CT's I've debunked over the last couple months, with summarized facts, links, discussions, and conclusions.

Then I'm going to post it so we can see the track record of the CT's in one issue after another, together with their denials, arm-wavings, and refusals to acknowledge the most basic realties in so many different subjects:

From "The moon landings didn't ever happen," to "Hawaii doesn't have Obama's original Birth Certificate" even though Hawaii's official says she has personally gone gone into the vault and reviewed it (Obama's original BC is not some sort of religious relic where just anybody can go up and start handling it, it's stored in a vault to preserve it), to the "WTC's are conteolled demolitions" even though there are explicit quotes of firepeople taking about how the fires are out of control and Building 7 is in jeopardy of collapse..

There are lots more, should be interesting.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   13:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#367. To: AGAviator (#366)

.... I'm gradually putting together a list of all the CT's I've debunked over the last couple months, with summarized facts, links, discussisons, and conclusions.

Then I'm going to post it so we can see the track record of the CT's in one issue after another, together with their denials, arm-wavings, and refusals to acknowledge the most basic realties in so many different subjects:

You could spend a lifetime chasing that stuff. I am much more content with just a post or two ... then again, I have a lot of other work to perform.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-11   13:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#368. To: AGAviator, All (#363)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-11   14:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#369. To: Eric Stratton, turtle, buckeroo'critter (#368) (Edited)

Bullshit!

The number that think that what we've been spoon fed has increased steadily

Bullshit right back at you.

Show me a poll. Show me a viable candidate anywhere. Show me a single confessor out of the thousands of people who would had to coordinate to distribution and setup of WTC buildings collapses.

911truth.org actually commissioned a 2006 Zogby poll asking "Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support New 9/11 Investigation" which of course is totally different than saying "the US government destroyed the WTC buildings using controlled demoltions."

Since 911truth paid for the poll themselves, they had the opportunity to make one if its questions "Did the USG use controlled demolitions to destroy the buildings and/or the Pentagon."

They did not because they knew they would get a very unfavorable response.

This is typical Twoofer behavior. They start out on one subject, then move the goalposts, introduce unsupported additional claims and so-called facts, wordsmith the replies, and eventually claim support for subjects never originally mentioned.

Per their own website, 911truth.org is already interfacing with the poll business. Go to 911truth and ask them why they haven't had a poll with an explicit "USG did 911" question it it.

QED

pwned.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   15:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#370. To: AGAviator, all (#369)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-11   15:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#371. To: AGAviator (#369)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-11   15:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#372. To: buckeroo (#365)

one of my nasty traits.

All this useless vitriol and I still don't have a positive ID on yuklown or Mad Dog.

Tomorrow it's back to writing annual reviews, there's still hope for a "Meets Standards", buck.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-07-11   17:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#373. To: Samuel Gray, buckeroo (#372)

All this useless vitriol and I still don't have a positive ID on yuklown or Mad Dog.

Is there even a way for a non-sysop to find a positive ID of someone posting on a website?

Besides, what would you do with such information? Harrass them via e-mail? Sign them up for a Columbia CD club membership or some sort of raunchy gay sex magazine? While it would be funny it's pretty childish.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-11   17:15:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#374. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#373)

No, but those are all great ideas...

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-07-11   17:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#375. To: Samuel Gray (#374)

No, but those are all great ideas...

LOL!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-11   17:20:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#376. To: AGAviator, *9-11* (#364)

If you think you're fooling anyone other than buck, stone or turtle, you're mistaken.

The Airforce could have and would have dealt with the "hijacked" planes if the order had been given.

The order wasn't given.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-11   17:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#377. To: wudidiz (#376)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-11   17:25:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#378. To: Eric Stratton, christine, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#370)

You're a walking Neocon talking point!

You're a Six Percenter, who can't deal with details and instead attempts to stuff all reality into a "once size fits all" CT which relieves you of the burden of processing new information and thinking.

My posting of an OBL 2004 video, in which he explicitly states that both the USG and al Qaeda are both in the process of bankrupting the USA through endless warfighting, are "playing as one team," "albeit for different reasons," and my posting of a Noam Chomsky interview, where Chomsky says that extensive discussions of poorly- defined controlled demolition theories leads to unproductive areas, can hardly be described as "Neocon talking points" to any reasonable person.

Please explain how in your opinion they do.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   17:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#379. To: wudidiz (#376) (Edited)

The Airforce could have and would have dealt with the "hijacked" planes if the order had been given

You clearly know nothing about aviation procedures or the facts on the ground on that day, before, during, and after the hijackings.

Tell me how many hours you have as a pilot.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work. Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   17:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#380. To: Eric Stratton (#377)

I've experienced this sort of mentality before first hand. From people that I am absolutely sure they've no motivation to argue other than that is what they truly think. Some people are quite intelligent, articulate and knowledgeable. They just lack the key ability to discern and understand. The ability is contingent on the desire or willingness to know the truth. The desire to know the truth and the desire to win an argument based on one's own preconceived false notion cannot coexist at the same time.


“It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens, but it is never gone.” ~ Rose F. Kennedy

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-11   17:35:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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