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Title: Why I Don't Have Any Use for Truthers
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Published: Jul 9, 2010
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2010-07-09 11:35:19 by Turtle
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Views: 27993
Comments: 879


Poster Comment:

This woman had sulfuric acid thrown in her face by guess who? Someone engaging in Typical Negro Behavior.

They do this out of envy. "I can't get this woman, so nobody can have her."

He got life in prison.

These are the real problems, not hallucinations abour remote-controlled airplanes and bombs in towers. (1 image)

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Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 385.

#14. To: Turdle, Turtle, christine, AllTheKingsHorses, all (#0)

So Turdle, are you and Hal Turner close friends?

Any handlers in common?

Isn't it amazing what some people will do for money?

Oh, by the way I've seen the blonde's picture before in a different context.

The other readily apparent difference is that the ears are not the same. Ears are a distinctive feature on a lot of people. Despite the damage to her face they should bear at least some resemblance, but the structure is not at all the same.

I notice also that you did not provide a URL source.

I'm calling Bullshit unless you can provide a source

Got Agitprop?

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-09   12:58:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: turtle, Original_Intent, buckeroo (#14) (Edited)

The other readily apparent difference is that the ears are not the same. Ears are a distinctive feature on a lot of people. Despite the damage to her face they should bear at least some resemblance, but the structure is not at all the same.

I notice also that you did not provide a URL source.

I'm calling Bullshit unless you can provide a source

Got Agitprop?

Typical denial mode of a classic CT windbag fuckwit. Harping on minutiae, using self-proclaimed expertise to allege the evidence isn't credible, then using prefab denials citing self as authoritative expert, to dismiss the subject out of hand.

And throwing in a little scatological dig ("Turdle") in the process.

Here's the link, maroon. Now what do you have to say?

Daily Mail UK: I was savagely disfigured by my deranged boyfriend: Acid attack victim bravely shows her face

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-09   13:33:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, X-15, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, buckeroo, turdle, christine, all (#21) (Edited)

...deranged boyfriend...

I can recall news reports of similar events, they are rare, where the perp was white.

All this proves is that there is at least one deranged ex-boyfriend in the world.

It proves absolutely nothing else.

I take it you guys are trying to divert from the other thread where you had your heads handed to you on that stupid conspiracy theory about "19ArabsWhoHateUsCuzWe'reFree" being directed by a mad mullah in a cave in the remote mountains of far Afghanistan with his Magic Cellphone© that were able to hijack 4 airliners, without one of them giving a 4 digit 2 second hijack code, with box cutters and then leisurely joyride in the most controlled and monitored airspace on the planet and then with the precision of Master Pilots (which is pretty slick since they were all known incompetents as pilots and had never flown anything larger than a single engine propeller driven Cessna 172) fly them around for two hours without being intercepted, then with precision fly them into major buildings {and even more miraculously they able to take down 3 Buildings with 2 planes in new york - and presumably the "Psychic Friends Network was on the phone to both CNN and BBC as both reported the collapse of building 7 before it happened, as well despite a minimum of 13 warnings from other foreign intelligence agencies the government had no clue that such an event could be considered or possibly happen (as per White House Spokesliar Ari Fourflusher at a White House News Conference, despite having two years earlier recovered a hard drive from the Phillipines which detailed this exact scenario)}.

You conspiracy kooks are just too rich.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-09   13:51:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Original_Intent (#24)

dang it OI now you went and made the resident shill for the liar movement cry.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-07-10   1:20:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: IRTorqued (#100)

dang it OI now you went and made the resident shill for the liar movement cry.

I had no idea he was so sensitive over the Psychic Friends Network. Honest.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-10   2:49:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Original_Intent, IRTorqued, critter, buckeroo, turtle (#121) (Edited)

so sensitive over the Psychic Friends Network. Honest.

Hey internet CT pushers!

Did ya happen to know that over 6 times as many Americans (50%) believe that UFO aliens have abducted humans, than believe it was "very likely" that the WTC Towers were brought down by "secretly planted explosives (6%)?"

Of course you didn't!!!!!!!

That suuure is a select group of people you're included in.

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!

Poll: U.S. Hiding Knowledge of [UFO] Aliens

Sixty- four percent of the respondents said that aliens have contacted humans,
Half said they've abducted humans, and
37 percent said they have contacted the U.S. government
.

The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

911 Conspiracy Theories

The collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings"

• 77% "unlikely"
• 10% "somewhat likely"
• 6% "very likely"[13]

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-10   7:29:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: AGAviator (#129)

Did ya happen to know that over 6 times as many Americans (50%) believe that UFO aliens have abducted humans, than believe it was "very likely" that the WTC Towers were brought down by "secretly planted explosives (6%)?"

Of course you didn't!!!!!!!

That suuure is a select group of people you're included in.

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!

The masses are usually mistaken ... as demonstrated by your post.

Are you being paid to report this nonsense ?

noone222  posted on  2010-07-10   7:35:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: noone222, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#130)

The masses are usually mistaken ... as demonstrated by your post.

Are you being paid to report this nonsense ?

As far as being paid, again. No one pays good money to send a message to losers. The only places you're important are your own minds.

As I've already said, you've had (1) Almost 9 years, (2) Thousands of websites, and (3) Billions of words, to make your case.

Your results: Almost zero, with 6 times more people believing in UFO abductions, or Elvis sightings, than buy into the "USG controlled demolition" theories.

You haven't persuaded anybody, and only serve the role of a freak circus sideshow from the existential questions the country needs to face.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-10   13:03:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: AGAviator (#150)

OK, you win. Now I believe in UFOs. (NOT !)

noone222  posted on  2010-07-10   13:54:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: noone222 (#164)

ag must have been ass raped by a group of them there extra-tetesticles. that'll teach him to fish from docks on the mississippi after dark.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-07-10   16:46:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: IRTorqued (#190)

ag must have been ass raped by a group of them there extra-tetesticles. that'll teach him to fish from docks on the mississippi after dark.

No little faggot bitch, it's you Six Percenters that are gonna get ass raped when your incessant blathering makes people sick and tired of you all.

Just like 72-year old astrounaut Buzz Aldrin cold cocking a 36-year old Six Percenter twit who walked up to him demanding he swear on a Bible he walked on the moon, then ignored Aldrin's telling him to get out of his face, then called Aldrin a coward, liar, and thief.

Better make sure your k00kblather stays on the Internet, that's all I've got to say.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-10   18:41:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: AGAviator (#219)

cry with your straw-man argument, it is all you will ever have.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-07-10   19:03:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: IRTorqued, turtle, buckeroo (#236)

cry with your straw-man argument

Me cry, Six Percenter?

Who are the pinheads who live in a population that has many time more believers UFO abductions and Elvis sightings than in, "USG controlled demolitions brought down the WTC Buildings," and who have failed in nearly nine years to elect a single public official stating the 911 CT's are true? Or get a single Obama BC lawsuit to proceed to discovery and interrogatories, let alone trial.

Or say "They're paying aggravator to post to us six percent losers?" No pinheads. I post to you because you attack me for trying to show you the truth. And for the lot of you being a circus freakshow taking attention from serious issues.

The only ***crying*** you're ever gonna see from me is laughing so hard that tears come to my eyes.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-10   19:11:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: AGAviator (#241)

Me cry, Six Percenter?

More like 33 percenter, idiot.

From Third of Americans suspect 9- 11 government conspiracy...

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-10   19:30:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: FormerLurker (#263)

From Third of Americans suspect 9- 11 government conspiracy...

No loser, your inflated numbers include a large percentage believing that the USG did not participate in the attacks, but also did not do enough to prevent or stop them.

The core issue remains "Did the USG itself direct and control the demolition of the WTC through controlled demolitions?" and to that an overwhelming majority says "No."

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-10   19:35:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: AGAviator (#268)

No loser, your inflated numbers include a large percentage believing that the USG did not participate in the attacks, but also did not do enough to prevent or stop them.

Go argue with Ohio University, they're the ones that did the survey. BTW, who performed YOUR survey, yourself?

Did you ask the single moms in your GED class what they thought of 9/11?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-10   19:43:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#323. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#278) (Edited)

No loser, your inflated numbers include a large percentage believing that the USG did not participate in the attacks, but also did not do enough to prevent or stop them.

Go argue with Ohio University, they're the ones that did the survey. BTW, who performed YOUR survey, yourself

Twofferk00ks infiltrate Bill Maher TV show, he kicks them out, audience applauds.

To Twofferk00k in audience:

Maher: "And you are a nut case, Building 7...Of all the things I've said...the one they protest about here is the people who think the World Trade Center was a controlled explosion.

You see, in that instance I'm actually defending President Bush. I don't think President Bush brought down the World Trade Center."

Audience: "Booooooo"

Maher: "And cows disagree with me."

Audience: Laughter and thunderous applause.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-10   21:23:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#324. To: AGAviator (#323)

Are you thinking of calling "security" to "kick our asses" (out)? It won't work, trust me. :)

Dakmar  posted on  2010-07-10   21:29:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#328. To: Dakmar (#324)

Are you thinking of calling "security" to "kick our asses" (out)? It won't work, trust me. :)

Nothing of the sort.

However when you emerge from your own "7th century caves" on the internet, and publicly go after the people you anonymously trash on your k00kblogs, expect an unwelcome reception by the great majority of the American population.

Because you are a minority, and an irrelevant one at that.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-10   21:37:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#329. To: AGAviator (#328)

Because you are a minority, and an irrelevant one at that

Irrelevant? :)

That bring back memories from LP. I suggest you save us both some time and call me an anti-Semite and then insist the discussion is over and stalk off all in a huffy-huff..

Dakmar  posted on  2010-07-10   21:42:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#338. To: Dakmar (#329) (Edited)

Because you are a minority, and an irrelevant one at that

Irrelevant? :)

What would you prefer to call it?

Zogby America Likely Voters 8/23/07 thru 8/27/07 MOE +/- 3.1 percentage points Pages 5 - 8

402. There are three main schools of thought regarding the 9/11 attacks.

The first theory is the official story, and maintains that 19 Arab fundamentalists executed a surprise attack which caught US intelligence and military forces off guard.

The second theory known as Let It Happen argues that certain elements in the US government knew the attacks were coming but consciously let them proceed for various political, military and economic motives; and

The third theory Made It Happen contends that certain US government elements actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attacks.

Based upon your knowledge of 9/11 events and their aftermath, which theory are you more likely to agree with?

Official story........................ 639..... 63.6%
Let it happen....................... 266...... 26.4%
Made it happen..................... 46....... 4.6%
NS....................................... 54........ 5.4%
Total..................................1006... 100.0%

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-10   22:23:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#359. To: AGAviator (#338)

The first theory is the official story, and maintains that 19 Arab fundamentalists executed a surprise attack which caught US intelligence and military forces off guard.

That is the correct story.

It unfortunately leaves a lot of us with a sense that all the tax dollars pissed away on intelligence and military and associated services were absolutlely flushed down the toilet.

And when you couple the FACT that all of the 19 terrorists were here illegally, you wonder who is asleep at the wheel or is anyone really there.

Of course, immediately afterwards, the US government creates the US Patriot Act permitting eavesdrops on US citizens without court orders and other domestic spying activities and called "new tools" which clearly violate our individual rights and liberties ..... and there is even more .... create two war efforts (although Iraq was illegal) that later shows even more absurd blunders by the US military /intelligence when not one WMD was discovered .... and then leads to a consolidation of the intelligence services within a new umbrella organization tucked under "Homeland security."

Meanwhile, all this wasted money has done nothing with the singular exception of expanding the US government .... pissing away more dollars.

The American government is a laff a minute. It is reminiscent of the old slap-stick comedy team, "the Three Stooges."

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-11   11:47:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#360. To: buckeroo (#359)

Buckeroo. Why didn't Andrews Air Force Base Respond? Oh that is right they just happened to be sent out over the atlantic ocean that day. Then sept 12 their website just happened to change their misson statement of protecting their area.

I have some holy water to sell you. It costs just a thousand dollars and you are guaranteed to get to meet God. /end sarcasm

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-07-11   11:51:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#364. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo, (#360) (Edited)

Buckeroo. Why didn't Andrews Air Force Base Respond?

The US Air Force's primary task has always been to protect the US from foreign attack, not from hijacked domestic civil aircraft.

All commercial traffic within the US is under control of the FAA, not the US military. This means that any request for the Air Force to patrol or police the internal US civilian air traffic must come from and through the FAA.

At the time of the hijackings there were several thousand aircraft in the air, over US air space. Those several thousand planes had to be landed and given orderly instructions and routes, and then tracked, to get down without crashing.

Air traffic control of thousands of planes simultaneously without any advance notice is not done like musical chairs where you just grab the nearest seat and damn any consequences. There has to be an ordered emergency procedure which takes a number of minutes to clear the skies.

All aircraft, even hostile military aircraft, normally use transponders to show their locations to their own sides. The hostile aircraft can turn off their transponders once inside hostile territory, but then run the risk of getting shot down by any of their own support craft once they do this. So frequently it is possible to identify hostile aircraft through transponders, which is much easier than trying to track a few objects hundreds of miles away with weak radar signals, scattered among thousands of aircraft with strong transponder signals. However the transponders of all 4 hijacked aircraft were turned off immediately after they were taken over so they were much harder to track.

All this "Conspiracy! The USAF didn't instantly know where all the hijacked planes with no transponder signals were!" are products of the usual suspects - internet rubes with zero knowledge of the subject matter, in this case aviation.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   13:00:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#376. To: AGAviator, *9-11* (#364)

If you think you're fooling anyone other than buck, stone or turtle, you're mistaken.

The Airforce could have and would have dealt with the "hijacked" planes if the order had been given.

The order wasn't given.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-11   17:22:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#379. To: wudidiz (#376) (Edited)

The Airforce could have and would have dealt with the "hijacked" planes if the order had been given

You clearly know nothing about aviation procedures or the facts on the ground on that day, before, during, and after the hijackings.

Tell me how many hours you have as a pilot.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   17:31:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#381. To: AGAviator (#379)

You clearly know nothing about aviation procedures or the facts on the ground on that day, before, during, and after the hijackings.

Tell me how many hours you have as a pilot.

So you're saying that there is no air defense in this nation capable of protecting the national capital, eh?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-11   17:36:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#385. To: FormerLurker, wududiz, buckeroo, turtle, critter (#381) (Edited)

So you're saying that there is no air defense in this nation capable of protecting the national capital, eh?

I've said that at the time the 911 hijackings happened,

(1) The USAF was principally charged with protecting the country from external threats,
(2) All civilian USA air traffic is controlled by the FAA, not the USAF, so any USAF actions would have to be done in conjunction with the FAA,
(3) The existing hijacking scenarios presumed the aircraft transponders would be secretly squawked to 7500 and not turned off causing the signatures to completely disappear from the screen,
(4) The existing hijacking scenarios presumed hijacked planes would land somewhere, not be turned into suicide bombs traveling at 450- 500 knots to crash into targets, and
(5) OBL himself says in his October 2004 interview the hijackers were trained to finish their missions within 20 minutes, but due to Bush being more concerned with a goat butting story than airplanes butting the WTC, the hijackers had 60 minutes and not 20 to complete their tasks. Which they didn't comletely need though they did take more than 20
So the USAF had 20-60 minutes to figure out a hijacking took place, figure out it was dangerous new type of suicide mission, clear thousands of regular craft from the sky, scramble jets, get vectors on hijacked planes flying with transponders off, guess destinations, and intercept the hijacked aircraft.

All had to have taken place within 20-40 minutes for "first time" occurrences.

Ridiculous.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-11   17:49:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 385.

#391. To: AGAviator, *9-11* (#385)

the hijackers had 60 minutes and not 20 to complete their tasks

If the hijackers had 60, the Airforce had 60.

Fighters should have been up there following those planes within 15 minutes.

They weren't because they weren't ordered to.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-11 18:19:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#402. To: AGAviator (#385)

So the USAF had 20-60 minutes to figure out a hijacking took place, figure out it was dangerous new type of suicide mission, clear thousands of regular craft from the sky, scramble jets, get vectors on hijacked planes flying with transponders off, guess destinations, and intercept the hijacked aircraft. All had to have taken place within 20-40 minutes for "first time" occurrences.

Bullshit. Andrews AFB is right next to DC, and they ALWAYS have jets on standby in case there's an urgent need. They had TWO sqaudrons on alert that morning.

But no, instead, they had jets sitting on the tarmac at at Langley, which is 130 miles away, going to battle stations at 9:09 shortly after the 2nd jet hits the WTC, and a good 15 minutes after jets are scrambled out of OTIS AFB in Massachusetts. They then launched them at 9:24, flew them over the ocean for a bit, then decidedto mosy them over towards DC at about 410 mph, whereas they can fly at 1500+ mph.

Flight 77 didn't impact the Pentagon till 9:43 that morning. the jets from Langley get there at 9:49.

If they had flown straight to DC at top speed, they could have been there before it was too late. THAT, or if they had launched out of Andrews, they would have already been in position to do something.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-11 23:04:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#405. To: AGAviator (#385)

The existing hijacking scenarios presumed hijacked planes would land somewhere, not be turned into suicide bombs traveling at 450- 500 knots to crash into targets, and

More bullshit. The fact is, not only they were PRACTICING that very scenario that morning, injecting false radar blips on FAA screens to indicate hijacked aircraft, but the NRO had an evacuation planned that morning as part of a drill on how to respond to a hijacked aircraft BEING USED AS A MISSLE.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-11 23:06:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#406. To: AGAviator (#385)

OBL himself says in his October 2004 interview

Osama bin Laden himself was DEAD in DEC. 2001.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-11 23:07:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#424. To: AGAviator (#385)

(4) The existing hijacking scenarios presumed hijacked planes would land somewhere, not be turned into suicide bombs traveling at 450- 500 knots to crash into targets, and

From 9/11 coincidences and oddities page!

9/11 - Before the Pentagon was hit, Pentagon medic Matt Rosenberg was studying a new MASCAL emergency disaster plan which is based on the unlikely scenario of an airplane crashing into the Pentagon.

"Matt Rosenberg was down on Corridor 8, a medic at the health clinic in the massive military headquarters, grateful for an uninterrupted hour in which he could study a new medical emergency disaster plan based on the unlikely scenario of an airplane crashing into the place." - Washington Post (09/16/01)

"Matt Rosenberg was down on Corridor 8, a medic at the health clinic in the massive military headquarters, grateful for an uninterrupted hour in which he could study a new medical emergency disaster plan based on the unlikely scenario of an airplane crashing into the place.
Into the Pentagon's health clinic rushed a man screaming, "Evacuate now! Evacuate now!" This was not part of the disaster drill Matt Rosenberg had studied earlier that morning. He stopped a procedure on a patient in Minor Surgery Treatment Room 2 and started evacuating patients.
A naval officer rushed in and said a patient was in the courtyard where some people, confused and scared, had rushed to escape the collapsing inferno inside Corridor 5. Rosenberg, 26, dashed down a hallway, pushing through hundreds of people escaping the opposite direction, until he reached the courtyard, where he saw smoke billowing and people staggering out from the area that had been hit. He grabbed his radio and called back to the clinic. "You need to initiate MASCAL [the disaster plan] right now! We have mass casualties! I need medical assets to the courtyard!" - Star Tribune/Washington Post (09/21/01) [Printer version]

Medic Describes 9/11 Response
"Excerpts from an interview with Sgt. Matthew Rosenberg regarding Sept. 11, 2001. Sgt. Rosenberg is an Army medic assigned to the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic, the Pentagon. He also serves as the noncommissioned officer in charge of mass casualty events. He was awarded the Soldiers Medal for his actions on Sept. 11.
The day started out pretty much like any other day. We were doing … minor procedures that day, when we found out that the World Trade Center had been hit. … Somebody came in and said, "The World Trade Center got hit," and we're like, "Yeah, we know. It's horrible." They're like, "No, it got hit again." And that's when we realized it was a terrorist thing.
I got about 20 feet into the center courtyard, and that's when I saw the smoke rising out of the side of the building. Then I started seeing patients coming out, and I picked up my radio: "This is Sergeant Rosenberg. You need to initiate the MASCAL [mass casualty] plan now. We have multiple patients in the center courtyard, and I need medical assets in the center courtyard immediately." - Office of Medical History, OTSG (09/06/02)

Excerpts from an interview with Sergeant Matthew Rosenberg, a medic at the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic.
"We had virtually completed our MASCAL plan. I was setting up training for medics, I was in the process of ordering new supplies, and trying to reinvent what we would do, how we would go about it. We still had the old MASCAL kits in place, and everything under the old guidance, and we were trying to take that a step beyond. Believe it or not, the day prior to the incident, I was just on the phone with the FBI, and we were talking ‘so who has command should this happen, who has the medical jurisdiction, who does this, who does that,’ and we talked about it and talked about it, and he helped me out a lot. And then the next day, during the incident, I actually found him. He was out there on the incident that day, and I made the joke, “You know, I used to have questions about all this, about who would have the command.” He would say, “You got any more questions?” I went, “Nope, not anymore.”
When I started seeing patients coming out of the building, I picked up my radio, and I called in, “This is Sergeant Rosenberg. You need to initiate the MASCAL plan now. We have multiple patients in the center courtyard, and I need medical assets in the courtyard immediately.”
- Soldiers to the Rescue/Responding in the Pentagon [HTML]

(See also:  September 10, 2001 - Pentagon medic Matt Rosenberg is on the phone with the FBI talking about who has command of the MASCAL plane crash plan if a plane hits the Pentagon; 9/11 - Emergency equipment for the MASCAL plane crash plan was already out of their storage areas for an inventory check before the Pentagon was hit)


9/11 - Emergency equipment for the Pentagon's MASCAL emergency plane crash plans were already out of their storage areas for an inventory check before the Pentagon was hit.

Excerpts from an interview with Major Lorie A. Brown, who was Chief Nurse of DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic.
"Because the crash site was on the west side of the building the clinic was almost directly opposite, our corridor was a clear avenue for people to escape. As soon as I saw that, we initiated the MASCAL, [mass casualty plan] started galvanizing all of our assets and put our plan in action.
We actually had our MASCAL equipment out of the storage areas because we were doing an inventory. So there were many pieces that just fell into place and worked so well on that day. It was just fortuitous. It was just amazing that way that things kind of happened the way they did. But like I said our planning truly made such a huge difference on that day. Our Commander had the foresight to focus on MASCAL prep and gave us the time and budget to really revamp our old MASCAL plan. I can’t say enough about how critical this was to our success."
- Soldiers to the Rescue/Responding in the Pentagon [HTML]

(See also:  9/11 - Pentagon medic Matt Rosenberg was studying the MASCAL plane crash plan right before the Pentagon was hit; 9/11 - A Pentagon rescuer mentions how "eerie" it was that the MASCAL plane crash plan that he had twice trained for was "very similar to what actually happened")

 


9/11 - A "garrison control exercise" was being conducted at Fort Belvoir, less than 20 miles from the Pentagon, to "test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack" and a team there was conducting classes about rescue techniques and then were one of the first responders to the Pentagon.

An Engineer's Expertise Joins a Firefighter's Nightmare

"Two groups rushing to the Pentagon that fateful morning were the firefighters from the Fort Belvoir Fire Department and a contingent of engineers from Headquarters Battalion, USAG Fort Belvoir, Military District of Washington.
"Ironically, we were conducting classes about rescue techniques when we were told of the planes hitting the World Trade Center," said Staff Sgt. Mark Williams. "My team was one of the initial response groups and one of the first to enter the building upon our arrival at the site.

AS FATE WOULD have it, that is exactly were the office of Fort Belvoir's new commanding officer, Col. Thomas Williams, who took command on July 11, 2002, had been just moments before.

Col. Williams was not in the area of his office at the moment of impact. But two who were paid the ultimate price, and another suffered severe burns, from which he is still recovering.

Lt. Col. Mark R. Lindon, Commander, Headquarters Battalion at Belvoir, was conducting a garrison control exercise. The object was to test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack. That training exercise went operational that morning.
"I was out checking on the exercise and heard about the World Trade Center on my car radio. As soon as it was established that this was no accident, we went to a complete security mode. Some people waited up to three hours to get on base that day," Lindon recalled.
"Throughout the next 10 days, I was operating security either here or at the Pentagon." - Connection Newspapers (09/05/02)

 

- Ft Belvoir to the Pentagon = approx 18 miles - Yahoo Maps

 

(See also:  June 29, 2001 - MASCAL exercise about a terrorist incident involving an explosion is conducted at Fort Belvoir to test first team's "external response")

 


 

 9/11 - A training exercise in "airport emergency operations" is being conducted at Fort Myer, a mile from the Pentagon.

 

Belvoir firefighter among first responders at Pentagon

"A training exercise in airport emergency operations at Fort Myer brought an assistant fire chief from Fort Belvoir to the Pentagon shortly after an aircraft crashed into its west wall.

As training officer for the Fort Belvoir Fire Department, Dodge has acquired an expertise on airport emergency operations because of the Belvoir department's responsibilities at Davison Army Airfield. The morning of Sept. 11 the 28-year veteran was conducting training for the Fort Myer crew on precisely that topic.

He and the class participants had heard during the first break in the training schedule about the first plane crash into one of the towers at the World Trade Center.
"We didn't have access to a TV or anything," he said. "So we just kept on going with the training program. All of a sudden we heard this BOOM! And we felt the building shake. Everyone just looked at each other like, 'what was that?' Then one of the fire units from Arlington came over the radio and said they saw an aircraft go down in the vicinity of the Pentagon."

Dodge said at that point everyone in the class just got up and left to get on the fire trucks. He jumped into a vehicle with Fort Myer's acting battalion commander, Dennis Gilroy.
Once inside the truck, the fire teams received the news an aircraft had crashed into the Pentagon.

"The word was that the unit on the ground [the helipad firefighters who are part of the Fort Myer Fire Department] were involved," Dodge said. "That didn't sound too good. When they say involved, it meant they were a part of the crash.

"We were one of the very first ones there," Dodge said, "aside from the crew that was already positioned at the Pentagon.

He said at that point, something caught his attention.
"I saw one the guys from Fort Myer was trying to get as much equipment as possible off the crash truck parked at the helipad area," said Dodge, whose father retired from the Air Force following his last assignment at the Pentagon.
"The crash truck [stationed at the Pentagon] was engulfed in flames, and they were trying to save what they could." - MDW (10/04/01)

 

Local heroes: FMMC fire department reflects on attacks

"The Fort Myer Military Community Fire Department had three men on the scene at the Pentagon when the attack occurred. In a matter of minutes, the rest of the team from Fort Myer joined the three men.

The FMMC fire department is responsible for the landings and take-offs at the Pentagon heliport. The department sends three men to the Pentagon each day to cover the flights, according to FMMC Fire Chief Charles Campbell.

While the three men were at the Pentagon, the majority of the men from the department were in an airport rescue firefighters class in the Education Center at Fort Myer.

Immediately, the firemen got their equipment and went to the Pentagon to aid the victims.

The ride to the Pentagon took about four minutes, William Harris, a Fort Myer fire department sergeant, said. Harris was the driver of Engine 161." - DC Military (11/02/01)

 

FMMC firefighters respond to terrorist action at Pentagon

"Fort Myer, located approximately a mile from the Pentagon..." - DC Military (09/14/01)

 

(See also:  April 23, 2001 - Fort Myer conducts a "Force Protection Exercise"; September 5, 2001 - Fort Myer and McNair implement "full access control")


 

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